Max Stirner

It helped me let go of several neuroses I had in regards to my role in a silly abstraction

>>9967037
He's real good if you're going to be a leftist, although I do see lots of apolitical/right leaning who shitpost about him. Overall, his revolution far surpasses Marx's. Good for the mind.

It might. Stirner and Thus Spoke Zarathustra seems like a good combo.

>>9967045
Stirner transcends the left/right distinction. He can get you stop worshipping whichever idols, whether they are the people, the greater good, God, the state, tradition, or even the self. A voluntary egoist, depending on his sentiments, could thereafter lean left or right or neither, but he does so and accordingly acts freely, without the illusion that he is obligated to fulfill some moral duty. (Stirner himself certainly seemed to lean left).

Hmm, okay I'll give his The Ego And Its Own a read.

Thanks anons.

Reading Stirner is essentially plugging your ears and denying there is something more absolute than you. He's like a spoiled autistic child and nobody attended his funeral, not even his ex wife who cucked him. He's truly a hero to the godless losers here

>>9967106
thank you sir

>>9967164
What do you mean when you say something more absolute?

>>9967037
No it would not. philosophy only makes your life worse.

>>9967218
Really how so?

I found that some of what Alan Watts said has been helpful, in terms of moderation.

>>9967037
reading stirner is semi-pointless. if you get the central theme in the book which is "ME" then you don't need it. just understand that there are people who already operate in that way, you're not transcending to a new level, if anything you're returning to the way you once were.
as with anything, reading only gets you so far, if you can't put it into operation or if you're autistic about it it's worthless.
>>9967164
you're a massive faggot and definitely a loser

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Stirner is a Zen teacher who happened to be spawned in 19th century Germany and figured enlightenment out for himself, using the Hegelian tools of his time to do so or at least describe the phenomenon.

>>9967240
he's definitely not zen, zen is fucking shit.

>>9967259
>zen is fucking shit.
Stop plagiarising zen masters.

>>9967238
>>9967240
Hmm, I am more into eastern philosophy, like I previously said Alan Watts has helped, but I dont think I can learn more about it in my current state (adult who still lives with his alcoholic parents on a low income job).

I'm also a bit of a pleb, I've read up on philosophers, thought about existentialism, nihilism and how to find value in life, which I sum up to trying to live in the moment with a relative amount kindness towards people (at least during my work hours) due to the fact that everybody is living the human condition, but I've never really read their books

>>9967293
I would read him for sure if only to rattle your ideological shackles. He can be emancipating to the right person.

>>9967318
Couldn't hurt right, I'll spend the night reading.

>>9967282
i'm betting that's some zen joke but really, stirner and zen have nothing in common zen is just a better stoicism and stoicism is complete dogshit
>>9967293
alan watts is complete trash. you mention your parents are alcoholic, so was alan watts, dump that garbage immediately.
the rest of your post is complete shit, read stirner and trash everything else out if you care about yourself. or just start giving a shit about yourself.

>>9967328
>i'm betting that's some zen joke but really
There's an anecdote with a master being asked what zen is and he said something like 'a pound of dried shit' or something.

> but really, stirner and zen have nothing in common zen is just a better stoicism and stoicism is complete dogshit
There you are wrong. Zen has nothing to do with stoicism. I agree that Stoicism is shit though.

>>9967336
the operation of both are very similar. the east is just more aware of how life operates and less autistic with it's philosophy. still shit.

>>9967350
>the operation of both are very similar
Not at all. Stoicism is about forcing yourself into adhering to an arbitrary idea of what is natural. Zen does no such thing.

>>9967328
Could you elaborate on how the rest of my post was shit? I'm not offended, but I am curious.

Was Watts an alcoholic? I knew he drank.

I do like his explanation of Nirvanna, that you need to let things go instead of holding on to them forever.

>>9967360
the OPERATION buddy. already clarified the part about western autism but you seem to be suffering from that too.

>>9967376
Which operation? What do you concretely mean?

>>9967370
the sentimental philosophical nothings. it's completely worthless and if you keep going you'll probably end up getting fucked in an irreversible way. whether it be by someone else or through your own realization of what you've done by infecting your brain with that shit. and yes he was.

>>9967379
someone who follows stoicism and someone who follows zen will go about the world in similar ways.

>>9967384
Hmm, you might be right, I'm not sure it its the alcohol but my parents are fuck up which is why my biggest fear is ending up like them, which is why I dont drink.

Still though, how is Watts shit exactly? I would like to hear why.

>>9967416
he's no different from any other self-help guru.
go do shit in the world and you'll realize how worthless 99% of philosophy is.

>>9967434
Thinking about it, a lot of the stuff is really comforting but not practical, it might help someone make some kind of sense of things and help them feel better, but beyond that I dont know.

Perhaps getting out of this comfort zone might be a good idea, I do need to get my life in order.

>>9967389
You mean from an observers perspective? So some sort of vague apparent calmness? Because the interior framework is quite different.

It'll turn you into an increasingly fake person. You can't rant at people about spooks because they'll just tell you to fuck off, so you'll just keep it bottled up inside, putting on a plastic smile.

>>9967106
Lol

>>9967164
>denying there is something more absolute than you
Wrong. The Unique is non-competitive. The burden of proof is on whatever you think is above him.

Op I hope you read Striner and grow a backbone.

Like damn dude get your shit together. Get the fuck off 4chan. Live your fucking life buddy its not gonna live itself and stop asking these faggots for permission to read books just fucking do it. Fucking like Alan Watts if you want to he's got good shit to say but dont change your opinion because some bitter anon told you he was an alcoholic.

Like who are you dude? What is your fucking substance?

You can do better than this.

>>9967240
>using the Hegelian tools of his time
?
He shit all over Hegel and "Hegelian tools". Only time he delves into it is to flip people's retardation upside down or to make a joke.

>>9968997
cringe

>>9969346
Yes he uses it against itself. His philosophy is one of negation until what remains is unutterable just like the old Chinese lads stalking the misty hills screaming without words and hitting people with sticks.

>>9967037
Who better reflects Stirner's philosophy: Bill Clinton, Obama, or Trump?

>>9969392
Obama, out of the three he fooled the normies the most that he was sincere. Wielded all the spooks in his favour and exploited them ruthlessly.

>>9969392
Trump because he defies all spooks about what it means to be a president of the United States.

>>9969399
>>9969402
I agree with both of these arguments.

>>9969392
Clinton, because he got his dick sucked.

>>9969392
Bill Clinton cause he's the biggest piece of shit out of the three but also the most universally admired.

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>>9969357
Oh no, what will I do, he's cringing at me. Oh wait, I don't have to do anything.

>>9967293
>I dont think I can learn more about it in my current state
Why not? What's stopping you from reading on on what you find interesting or meditating?

>>9969247
True, its got to be my decision on what I think is right and wrong, I have been weak.

I spent last night reading and giving my situation some thought and yeah, fuck this shit I need to get out right now, I'm currently looking for a second job while building up savings and I'm becoming less and less scared of my dad, if he beats me or kicks me out I can go from there, its not like I'll be dead, they can be psychotic all they want, I can go on knowing I'm not as low as that.

And to be honest I think there are good and bad parts to everything, including people like Alan Watts and probably Stirner, I mean their not gods, its up to the observer to pick out the pros and the cons.

>>9967128
Remember: Stirner's book is a ladder, it shouldn't be a new spook. You don't have to just free yourself from spooks, this is not some eastern rambling. You should use spooks for your own interests.

>>9970037
When you say spook do you mean someone who is trying to manipulate things for his own gain?

/collectiveegoism/ when?
The ultimate synthesis of Stirnerite philosophy is the rejection of the individualism spook. The true liberation of myself as an individual is dependent on the liberation of the collective.

Or are concepts like nationalism and religion considered spooks.

Sorry I'm new to this term.

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>>9970059
Forgot pic gomene senpai

>>9970045
No. "Spooks" are ideas. Ideas that controls the individual and makes him do something he wouldn't do normally.

Please, understand the term "spook" is a case of bad translation, a term like "spirit" or "ghost" would be better. English speaker are getting a revised translation sooner or later if it is not already out. Try that and not the original one.

>>9967164
Who cares about funerals? Stirner wouldn't have given a fuck about people going to some retarded tradition like that, you fucking nerd.

>>9967164

Wrong, Bruno Bauer attended his funeral.

A best you will gain a powerful key to living an authentic lifestyle which will enrich your relationships and free you of anxiety.

At worst you will learn about early critique against both socialism and liberalism and one which will make Dostoevsky slightly less interesting

>>9968930
You cant be fake if you are living authentically. Dislike yes but not fake.

>>9970059
Read

>The ultimate synthesis of Stirnerite philosophy is the rejection of the individualism spook.

then

>The true liberation of myself as an individual

then

>myself

There can be no set synthesis of Stirners philosophy as it is so subjective.

For some individuals the oppression or regulation of the masses is key for their expression and interests. For others it is not.

>>9969970
Good.

Make me proud OP.

And try to get away from your shitty parents as quickly as possible.

>>9970062
That's dumb and only works for subsistence farmers at best. The people who labor generally don't have any use for what they produce in an industrialised society, and the things they do want they don't produce, so they need to buy them

>>9970724
t. Molyneux

>>9970271
http://www.theuniqueanditsproperty.com

Is this the book you're talking about.

>>9967483
This might help you more: >>9968641
Watts was very open on how he saw himself and that was not a self-help-guru.

>>9967106
Let go of spooks yourself

Don't read philosophy if you want to improve your life.

It honestly fucked mine up

>>9967389
Disregard all of this cucks opinions