ASoIaF

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>>9938526
OP bump

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>>9938534
Another OP bump.

Theories that just have to be true:
>Southron Ambitions
>Grand Northern Conspiracy
>The Others mistook Waymar for a Stark in AGOT prologue

I honestly don't see how GRRM will finish it. I think TWOW might come out in the next 2 years, but there's no way he'll finish ADOS.

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>>9938548

>>9938526
I hope he finishs it before he dies. Otherwise I will be very upset. I am amoust in the middle of book 4 and I refuse to watch the series, with we have a ending soon.
I just hope to see Stark's kicking Lannister's ass.
I don't even care about the Iron Throne being in hands of Targayen again, buf, fuck Lannisport and Casterly Rock.

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>>9938555
I think Winds will come out in the next calendar year, but Dream will be at least two parts. He MIGHT finish Dream pt 1, but he definitely won't finish the next volume.

The fact that you've /bumped/ this three times should tell you that no one here is interested in talking about it.

Shitty show ruined all my enthusiasm about this series

It would probably return if he released the next book but I doubt it'll ever happen

>>9938573
I know this is a book thread, so I apologize, but season 1 is worth watching. Most faithful book to screen translation I've ever seen.

>Men call me Darkstar, I am of the Night!!!

>>9938555
Maybe he has most of the material "done". Few plot lines and end summarized, so when he dies, somebody else takes over and the end is still canon or close to canon.

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>>9938602
I knew I forgot to inb4 something

>>9938633
He considers himself a "gardener" style author, is plant some seeds and watch the story grow organically, but you have to think he's got some sort of notes and a plan in mind. The first three books are very tight and focused, so he's gotta have some inclination of where the story will end up. If that's the case, I'm sure the publisher will do everything in its power to Wheel of Time the ending, if he doesn't live to finish it.

Speaking of which, has anyone read WoT? Do the Sanderson books do a satisfactory job of wrapping the series up?

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Coldhands = The Night's King.

>>9938675

There is no Night King.

>>9938526
Best theories:
>Cersei was right about the Tyrells
>All dreams are either Bloodraven or the glass candle folks, who are using the Seven Kingdoms to wage a proxy war
>Lyanna didn't go willingly
>Littlefinger's Debt Scheme

>>9938526
>Will GRRM live to finish the series?
Absolutely not. Judging by how long it's taking him to (not) write the current book and the fact that he's got at least another to do after I'd say it'll be a good decade at this pace before the series is finished. Now look at GRRM. He's a grossly obese, 68 year old male. Those are not things that add up to living to a ripe old age.

He's going to die before he finishes the series, simple as that.

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>>9938596
But they made Arya so fucking ugly.
I can't stand the actors being the most ugly people in the world when these characters where so pretty in my mind
I know is medieval and is dark, and people usualy werent pretty in those times, but come on, couldent you make Arya look less down syndrome and Brienne less of a wierd human?
Brienne is the second best, why people misthreat my waifus?

AND WHY SANSA ISEND RAPED AND DEAD YET?

>>9938751
>she shat all over the fat pink mast, her Myrish swamp became the world
BRAVO, MARTIN

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God, just imagine this fat, gross, slimy piece of shit writing his disgusting fetishes into the story and beating off in his office chair. Makes me fucking sick. The books are terrible and he's a fucking pervert.

>>9938576
>tfw Jaime used to be a good character
>tfw it's been so long since I'd read the books and conversely such a while since I've seen the show ruin him, I can't even remember what that was like
He still burns Cersei's plea for help, right? Just as the snows begin? I didn't imagine that?

>>9938698
I said Night's King, not Night King.

>>9938715
I haven't heard any of these. Please elaborate

>>9939000
>Cersei was right
In AFFC/ADWD, Cersei is basically a paranoid drunk bitch in her POV chapters, due to the prophecy of Maggy the Frog saying a younger, more beautiful queen would show up to take all she holds dear. Because of this, she thinks Margaery and the Tyrells are scheming constantly and spying on her and shit to usurp her position, "steal" Tommen by marrying him to Margaery, and having Loras train him (and basically become his best friend as he grows up), and trying to make Mace Hand of the King, and Mace's brother master of coin. Cersei's a crazy broad, but there's more than a little evidence that she's right about the Tyrells.

cont.

>>/tv/

>>9938548
>>Southron Ambitions
>>Grand Northern Conspiracy
Not familiar with any of these. Maybe you'd have better luck on Westeros or whatever other fan forum.
>The Others mistook Waymar for a Stark
Why would you think this?

>>9938758
>these characters where so pretty in my mind
Arya and Brienne were ugly in the books, so that was your mind's fault.

>>9938637

How would such a large animal be able to fly? The largest birds to ever live could not even take off on their own, they had to glide off a cliff.

>>9939080
I think most everyone agrees that Daenerys is the beautiful queen in that prophecy, not Margaery. And the only Tyrell smart enough to plan what you're suggesting is Olenna, and she had misgivings about the Lannister marriage from the start.
Yeah, Mace wants to be Hand...what a shocking theory that a lord might want more power...pfft
Cersei's done all the damage to herself, she needs no help from conspiracy.

>>9938548
I love Southron Ambitions, it doesn't rely on gimmicks or "epic" twists, it's just a sensible read of the political situation and intrigue of the world, which is what got a lot of people into the series in the first place. Also makes Jon Arryn interesting and significant, as one would expect him to be.

>>9939376
Regarding the Waymar thing, it essentially boils down to him looking like a Stark.

>Waymar Royce has the dark hair, grey eyes and slender build of a Stark
>Waymar, Gared and Will stop at Craster's while hunting wildlings
>Craster informs the Others
>Others kill the wildlings and set a trap for them
>when Royce and Will approach, six of them appear
>one begins to fight Royce
>the Other slashes him easily, then says something "in a mocking tone"
>Royce's sword shatters
>the rest of them move in and butcher him
>wight Waymar kills Will, but Gared escapes

The theory goes that Craster is on the lookout for anyone with the "Stark look" (he recognizes Jon as a Stark instantly). When Waymar stops at his keep, Craster mistakes him for a Stark, and informs the Others (whom he is sort of working for, giving them his sons and whatnot) after the rangers leave, who hunt Waymar down.

The theory posits that the Others have some sort of prophecy or something about a Stark (grey eyes, dark hair), who's good with a blade (hence the "mocking tone" when he easily cuts Waymar) and who wields a Valyrian steel sword (the reason the rest of the group move in and butcher Waymar after his sword shatters). They didn't give a shit about Will and Gared, hence why Gared escapes. All the aforementioned "facts" add up to Jon.

>>9939450
I don't think the Others need any special reason to kill Royce, and as proud as Waymar was, I'll bet he made sure Craster knew his name. Also, Starks aren't necessarily slender.
As I recall, Royce attacked first, just as Small Paul did. We know almost nothing about the Others or their motivations.

How much shit from the show do you think it is going to bleed into the book? Not much in WOW, since in theory it is almost finished, unless the fatass is rewritting it. But in ADOS?

Haven't been following the show since S2, since it started to deviate too much (and too stupidly) from the books, but after reading all the shit they've done now that they don't have any source material... also the fatso admitting he's probably going to be influenced by the show. I'm worried.

>>9938526
Leave redditor.

>>9938526
House Farwynd are the descendants of Brandon the Shipwright, this is why they have the warging power, and why they follow the older branch of the Drowned God, which the first men living on the Iron Islands did.

>>9939414
>I think most everyone agrees that Daenerys is the beautiful queen in that prophecy, not Margaery.
Umm, pretty much no one thinks that.

>generic english person kills another generic english person
>generic english person rapes another generic english person
>who kills/rapes who is largely irrelevant
>if swordman 5 killed swordman 18 instead of swordman 3 it would make no difference past the formality of swordman 3 being killed later and swordman 18 being killed sooner
>kingmen die later though
>there are dragons too

>>9938526

Why doesn't the ice wall shatter? I know it's magic, but still, ice likes to move, it doesn't like to be in a rigid structure like that.

>>9938557
woah...

>>9942172
It's mentioned in the books that it shrinks and grows via weeping and precipitation, etc. And parts of it DO shatter. Case in point when Jarl's wildings are climbing the north side and break off a piece. It's so high and thick that a break would have to be huge to matter.

>>9941463
You may be right. I don't frequent ASoIaF message boards, so I dunno what the theorists think. But it makes just as much sense as Margaery to me. No way the Tyrells are going to be allowed to "cast down" Cersei. Varys and Littlefinger wouldn't want that, it would make things too stable.

I wonder if GRRM gets over his writers block now that the tv series is going on full steam. He'll just lift ideas and plot points from the series.

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>>9942440
He doesn't seem all that interested in finishing the series honestly. He'd rather do anything else than to wrote AsoIaF in the years he has left.

>>9942452
>wrote
*write

will based Stannis prevail over the Boltons?

>>9938557
>Asshai constantly gets mentioned
>all this cool mystic shit in the east
>we'll never see any of it
ok

>>9938557

How, exactly, is Qarth such a wealthy and powerful city when it is completely surrounded by a blighted, empty countryside and so entirely dependent on external sources for food and other basics?

>>9942452
It's pretty obvious he lost interests by the third or fourth novel.

>>9939412
Lower gravity + greater density of air would do the trick

>>9939412
by internally heating an air sack

they're like a hot air balloon

>>9938803
he looks like a porn addict

Not literature

Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichaen duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other.

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I can't even remember what the fuck happened in these books anymore. GRRM is such a embarrassment to the profession.

All I know is that we'll be seeing more of his filthy sexual fantasies in the books (or realistically, book) that remain.

>>9940798
>fatso admitting he's probably going to be influenced by the show
He's said a million times, "Da show is da show and da books are da books." Of course he will probably be influenced by the books somehow, probably in the form of fan service and some dumbing down of the more subtle plotting. But I think the absolute nosedive the show has gone on the last three years will be motivation enough to make the books as different as possible from the show. Not to mention, he says he hasn't even watched the latest season because he's too """""busy"""""".

>>9940798
I don't know what there is to worry about. There is very little value in the books worth preserving. We all simply just want to know what happens next.

>>9940798
Get this /tv/ shit out of here.

>>9938557
w-w-whats in ulthos g-guys? the eye of sauron?

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how will Westeros' tax policies affect the defense of the realm against the Others?

>>9943310
>>9943107
Pretty much everything past the Bone Mountains is supposed to be apocryphal. They are places that exist, but not necessarily as the map shows them. The point is to demonstrate how the Westerosi know very little of the world beyond a certain point. Asshai, Ulthos, even Sothos are real places, in the setting, that the Westerosi know next to nothing about. So they're depictions and ideas about these places are very basic and imply an innate amount of magic that likely doesn't exist.

>>9938675
Coldhands = previous Azor Ahai

>>9938657
Also curious how the story turns out. I'm on book 1 right now and it's kind of a chore to get through.

>>9943352
Yeah, but why have Daenerys be encouraged to "go east to go west" if we never see Asshai? Why have Quaithe at all?

>>9943500
Because the books will probably have her reach Westeros by going west through Ashai to come out north of the wall, like how regular globes work. The series has a habit of treating basic modern day facts like "the world is round" like things the people view almost the same as myth and magic

>>9943352
This is probably why there are cities named Kayakayanaya or other gibberish there as well

>>9943121
They own the Greater/Lesser landmasses below them

Mark my words. The Winds of Winter will be published in the next two years, and A Dream of Spring will come out within years after that. Once Winds is out of the way, and there's no way it's not close to done, there will hardly be anything left for him to discover as he writes. I know he considers himself a gardener and all, but once it comes to the last book there's only so much room left to grow. He already knows the end result of most if not all the major plot lines and characters, and he'll have to have most of that lined up in Winds. He won't have much time to wander, and I think that will translate to less writing time, since he's not sitting there thinking up what should happen next like he struggled with while writing Feast and Dance.

>>9938548
>>9938534
>>9938526
>two bumps in 6 minutes
wanna know how I know you're new here?

>reading genre fiction
May as well just play some video games too

>>9943500
She may circumnavigate in the books, but I doubt it. Going east might be how she gains the dothraki hoards in the books, which then enable her to conquer westeros

>>9945766
>HURR GENRE FICTOON HURRRR

I bet you read joyce unironically

>>9938637
Where the fuck is Ancalagon the Black? He dwarfs all other dragons by far.

>>9946515
>She may circumnavigate in the books
It doesn't make any sense, if that was the case anyone in Westeros could reach Asshai and the Shadowlands by simply sailing west. It was stated in some book that the western sea is a dangerous hellhole that no one comes back alive.

Wasn't there an allusion to Asshai having electricity somewhere in the books? I seem to remember that.

>>9946652
>It was stated in some book that the western sea is a dangerous hellhole that no one comes back alive.
Unless you listen to the Farwynds.

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>tfw it will be another Wheel of Time shitshow where the author dies and some other genre fiction hack continues to write and reveals spoilers that were never meant to be explained

Here's a question for ASOIAF niggas.

The main reason I could never get into ASOIAF is that after a glance at the books, a glance that was tainted by having seen a bit of the show first, the lore of the setting seemed really "thin."

Certain things worried me right away, like GRRM cavalierly saying that the Age of Men on the western continent is 10,000 years old. Seems like lazy, unrealistic setting construction.

But more generally, what worried me is that GRRM doesn't have a way of making people and events from the past (of the setting) seem distant and appropriately majestic. The more lore I read, the more it seemed like everything that had ever happened in the setting was virtually identical to what was happening in the setting's present. Fan fiction drama, too many personal elements. The first Targaryean guys could have happened last week, not 300 years ago, or 3000 years ago, with no real difference.

Is this just because I watched the show first, and presumably, the Wiki people are all showfags? When you actually read the books, before the show was ever a thing, did the setting feel ancient and mysterious and real to you, like thousands of years of people really lived in it?

Why didn't the undead just swim around the fucking wall or hell marched around it via the sea bottom they're fucking undead

>>9948437
I started with a book before the hype, it never seemed ancient or mysterious to me. Tbqh Conan's world seems more ancient and mysterious than this.

>>9938557

>Bonetown

>>9943121

Why is the Strait of Malacca so important? It's the safest and quickest route connecting Yi Ti and the spicer islands to Slaver's Bay and the Free Cities. Therefore, Qarth can basically levy a tax on sailing through their waters, and since you have gold/slaves/lumber coming one way and gold/spices/any exotic exports coming the other, you pretty much have the makings for a city which sustains itself by its taxes.

>>9938602
More like dorkstar

>>9938758
you're a fuckin moron. kys

>>9943295
>I can't even remember what the fuck happened in these books anymore. GRRM is such a embarrassment to the profession.
Really, because I can't forget. I distinctly recall many scenes and characters, I think Martin did a great job.

>>9938526
I read the first four books a decade ago. I enjoyed them as a 20-something but can't be arsed to read them again now just to start reading A Dance With Dragons. GRRM should die already ffs. Haven't watched the HBO show, I'm sure it's normie shit.

Also I can't give less of a shit about Littlefinger and Tyrion schemings. I get them confused tbhwyfamilia.

>>9949205

Ah ah ah, didn't consider that at all. Basically an analog of the old Malay kingdoms. Makes much more sense to me now.

>>9949427
The show is about as normalfag as it gets, yeah. The people who enjoy it are absolute morons.

>>9938637
>No Eragon
My childhood was for nothing

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>>9949719
>people are morons for enjoying [thing]

>>9949719
It started strong but without GRRM's writing it has stopped being autistic shit and turned into normie shit

I still enjoyed it though because I'm a sucker

>>9948437
The characters have a poor grasp of history. What scholars Westeros has are openly skeptical of the traditionally accepted dates.

I don't know how much this explains, but the sheer amount of time that say, the Starks are supposed to have been around is bizarre (especially since they seem to have a bizarrely nuclear notion of family).

>>9943250
Well, he could be all that. As it is he fucked it all with tv show. The show has done irreparable damage to his legacy. How it came out is irrelevante, how he got involved with it isn't. Prancing around on set, on award shows, while letting it overcome your own writing, is capital sin in literature. His legacy is dead.

>>9949747
He is absolutely correct. If they had any self awareness they would be ashamed of themselves for enjoying a subpar product, but then again they're the same moronic public that google watches are directed at, so there you have it.

serious question

why does everyone hate quentyn?

his role was not just to let free the dragons

>>9938809
in the show he leaves cersei in it too just in the last episode, even the snow starts falling when he leaves which is nice

>>9950096
you honestly think that intelligence is determined by the products that a person consumes, so I think we're done here. not really any point in arguing with a delusional person.

>>9938758
they called Brienne Beauty for a reason, she was ugly and mannish

>>9938803
i chuckled

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>>9950225
You can be intelligent and still watch hbo, still buy defective gadgets, but at the same time you are stupid and gullible to do so. If you are incapable of differentiating between bad and good entertainment, you are stupid for that, but more likely, you do not know better. It's much more likely that you are living in a narrow world where what is considered good is served to you by deliberate and directed social and regular media hype, therefore you consume it without question, and know no alternative. You will realise your mistake as you get older, and differentiate your taste. Mark my words. Burn them to your mind, they will become truth. Until then, you are a moron.

>>9948437
The really ancient, mysterious stuff is before the Andals came to Westeros...(the First Men, the Children, etc..) and Valyria, of course.
You're right that everything seems new on that continent....because it essentially IS. Their known history is pretty short. Westeros is the New World.

>>9949084
There are a limited number of undead. The whole reason Snow decided to allow the Wildlings to pass the Wall was that he didn't want to provide the Others with a ready supply of wights. I would guess that you may see some "sea walkers" in Davos' chapters in the upcoming volume, if he makes it to Skagos.

the jews did 9/11

>>9950610
meant for
>>9950465

>>9950610
>>9950614
Great. Now you showed to him that your stupid as well.

>>9950553
>"sea walkers"
How did the dead get underwater to fasten all of the chains to the dragon if they couldn't swim?

>>9950650
swimming chains

Holy shit, the amount of salty faggots.. Insane

>>9950465
>you are incapable of differentiating between bad and good entertainment
>Implying that isn't subjective

>>9950640
>your

>>9950650
Some where commanded to sacrifice, and will never get up again. They can't drown, so they will sink and walk around on the bottom. But that was a small sacrifice, considering what they got in return

>>9950553
>There are a limited number of undead
Snow said there were 100,000 of them. If they can be easily killed by fire, half the unsullied army could take them out alone with flaming spears and flaming longbows arrows. God, even Dany could have killed them all with her dragon if she had taken out those five white walkers first.

The entire plot has gone to shit since GURM started writing for HBO instead of the series following the books.

At the start, it would have taken two books for Jon to get from the Wall to Casterly Rock. Now he can get there and back in a five minute scene. Anyone can travel to wherever the want in Westeros now in a few minutes.

>>9950650

They actually can swim, in the books they are attacking that one island to the east.

>>9950681
>They can't drown, so they will sink and walk around on the bottom.
so, technically, they could just walk down the shore into the sea from Westeros, keep on walking along the seabed, then walk up the shore on whichever island they wanted? I always wondered if they can do this, why cant they just walk around the wall? enter the sea, walk along the bottom, then appear south of Eastwatch.

>>9943121

Qarth is obviously Qarthadast, which is punic for Carthage.

>>9950699
I've also been wondering about that.. My main problem with that theory, would be if they would shatter/die, if they got too far away from their creator. But since the wight that they catched beyond the wall was succesfully brought to Kings Landing, that obviously isn't true. So it seems possible

>>9950699
It's movie bullshit that the wights can't swim or have some aversion to water. In the books wights literally wait in water to assail ships at Hardhome.

>>9950776
It's very strange that the wight survived the trip to Kings Landing. Because this wasn't the first time it was attempted, remember Othor?
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Othor
The dead hand 'died' after going beyond the wall.

>>9939080
>Maggy the Frog saying a younger, more beautiful queen would show up to take all she holds dear.

haven't got that far in the books. does maggy the frog specify "queen" in her prophecy? because in the show i thought i remembered her saying "one more younger and beautiful" or something like that, and i thought that might refer to jon snow, not dany.

>>9949084
The magic of the wall prevents them from going south or even around it.

>>9950864
Cersei: When will I wed the prince?
Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
Cersei: I will be queen, though?
Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.

>>9942899
Almost certainly. He has no way of losing the way it's set up.

>>9938526
I think there're enough threads in /tv/

>>9938526
I think the TV series Lost is more /lit/ than Song of Ice and Fire.

Is GRRM a good writer?

>>9948416
The Wheel of Time was improved by having Jordan die though.

>>9950650
You must be discussing the show, cause I have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>9942899
Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru

>>9951288
good enough at least

>>9951395
hell no

>>9938657

>Speaking of which, has anyone read WoT? Do the Sanderson books do a satisfactory job of wrapping the series up?

IMO Sanderson did a great job. The last few Jordan books really slogged down into 900 page lists of Aes Sedai dresses and types of tea, with a 50 page climax at the end of the book. Sanderson really did a great job tying up all of Jordan's loose ends, and finishing the story. He definitely has his own voice compared to Jordan, but is very faithful to the series IMO. I toyed back and forth with even finishing the series, but I'm so glad I did in the end.

>>9938758
>But they made Arya so fucking ugly
I think Arya has a really attractive quality. I much prefer Arya to Sansa.

>>9950687
>They actually can swim, in the books they are attacking that one island to the east
Wait, did GRRM get another book finished? I thought he gave up and the TV show overtook him.

>>9938548
>Southron Ambitions
The best part of this theory is that it makes Aerys II look a lot less insane in hindsight.
Its not paranoia when half the realm, including your son, is out to get you.

>The Others mistook Waymar for a Stark in AGOT prologue
First time I heard of this one.

>>9938557
>tfw we'll never get novels set in sothoryos, asshai, the five forts or any of the other cool places, and only see boring ass Westeros 90% of the time

JUST

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>>9950650

>>9953177
>Asshai
So what is the big deal about that place anyways?

>>9953180
I haven't read the books since I was like 16, but here's a wiki
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Asshai

>>9953195
>There are no children in Asshai.
>They worship Shub-Niggurath.
The fuck is going on in this place?

I think the entire eastern half of the world is a reference to Herodotus, who as his geography gets farther and farther away from Greece, becomes more fantastical. He starts to say shit like
>The men there all have hooves, and never sleep.
>There is a solid wall of falling feathers beyond which no one has passed.

Medievals often relied on Herodotus and similar sources, so you see the same ideas popping up constantly, of places like Gog and Magog, and a northern wasteland inhabited by centaurs who ride backwards and shit. I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously.

>>9953219
that sounds cool, anon
reminds me of Baudolino by Eco (one of my favorite novels), where the characters travel east and see fantastic shit like this
what's the best book to read if I'm interested in Herodotus?

>>9938548
Which one is the Southron Ambitions theory?That the one where all the high lords and wardens marry into each other to form a huge alliance against the Targaryens?

>>9938526
I have no idea why hes trying to finish it in 2 books when he clearly paced the last two so slowly and with so little happening theres no way he can possibly do it in 2. I would say 4 would be the better thing to do, he would probably get them done faster too since I think alot of this bullshit stems from the fact hes trying to finish in two more books. Though considering how long it took him to finish AFFC and ADWD I could be wrong about that.

>>9945559
You say that and yet this one has taken longer for him to write than either of those 2.

>>9953245
We only have The Histories by him. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0126

>>9939080
God I hate Cersei soooo much I really think she deserves to have the most inhumane death out of anyone in the series.

>>9953246
>That the one where all the high lords and wardens marry into each other to form a huge alliance against the Targaryens?
Pretty much.
Of course, whether the STAB alliance was purely defensive in nature or they were plotting to put Rhaegar on the throne is a matter of some debate.

Another point of discussion. What does everyone here think Jon Snow's Targ name is? The show stated that it was Aegon, which I think is dumb for several reasons.

I'm going to breath a little life into this thread.
So I heard that asoiaf is based off of the War of the Roses. So who is who in regards to historical characters?

>>9943347
I just realized that this photo was on the Eyrie set with the Vale matte painting in the background

>>9954753
House Stark is the House of York, supposedly... and Lannister is Lancaster. I haven't looked into that much, though.

>>9950650
Where did they magically get these massive chains in the first place?

The Winds of Winter should focus on the main aspect the show likes to ignore: the white walkers. I hope he speeds up their attack so as to put Jon Snow (and Stannis) in-between Bolton's bastard and the walkers north.

Doubt it will happen though.

Is anyone else concerned by the slow pacing of the books? It seems like almost nothing important happens in books 4&5. In books 1&2, which were both shorter than the later books, there was the civil war plotline, Dany's plotline, Jon on the wall, etc. It seemed like things were moving fairly quickly. In feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons, however, it seems as if the plot has slowed to a crawl. Think of what actually happens in those two massive volumes: almost nothing of import. It seems like grrm has really blundered with these sprawling, pointless plotlines.
>daenerys fucking around in Mereen for ages when no one gives a shit about Mereen
>jon snow fucking around on the wall doing nothing
>theon plotline which honestly could've just been eliminated to save space
>tyrion fucking around in the east doing nothing (penny as a character is pointless and disgusting)
>everything in dorne is pointless and should be eliminated to save space (think of all the quentyn chapters that led absolutely nowhere)
>aegon targaryen is pointless as a character because he obviously won't amount to anything
>victarion greyjoy as a character should be eliminated because he will obviously never amount to anything
>all the aeron damphair chapters which were pointless
>all the arya chapters which are absolutely pointless
>all the brienne chapters which are BEYOND absolutely pointless
It seems like for every plotline which is advanced, grrm creates two more which end up leading no where. For example, Arianne's whole scheme to put myrcella on the throne, which took several chapters out of the book: it ended up having no effect on the story as a whole, except introducing a bunch of loose ends that'll have to be tied up later in the series. At this point I doubt he'll ever finish the books; partly because I know he's a lazy fat fuck that'll die befre he does any work and partly because the scale of the books has far exceeded what it was originally, needing way more than 2 books for a satisfying conclusion. I guess it doesn't reallly matter anyway, since he sold out to the tv show and fucked his legacy.

he's have a decent chance of finishing the series if he went on a diet and started exercising, not just because it would enable him to survive, but because regular physical exercise enhances creativity.

>The sight of his arousel was arousing

Has anyone read that The Accursed Kings series that GRRM hyped up as "the original Game of Thrones"?

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>>9943302
Can't find it right now, but I read an interview in which he admitted precisely that. Of course the general plot has deviated, but maybe he sees something that happens to a character and adds it.

>>9943308
While he's not a Joyce, as the OP said, the books are well written and certainly show more attention to details than the show. The writing on the show is abysmal.

>>9943309
Worrying about the show bleeding into the books is "tv shit"?

>>9938557
>Westeros is meant to be the size of SA (quite big)
>That fuckhuge landmass next to it
I take that world is either bigger than Earth or all the land is located near its equator, kinda if Canada & Russia where squashed south in our planet?

>>9955826
I've read the first two books, they're good so far and pretty quick reads.

>>9955826
I'm worried that if I read it I'll just get hooked on historical fiction and all fantasy will look like worthless shit by comparison

>>9953245
Latro of the Mist

>>9955908
Then you'll want to find out more about the time period depicted in the book, so you'll start reading history, and then all historical fiction will look like worthless shit by comparison.

Never forget kids, historical fiction is a gateway genre to nonfiction.

>>9955892
grrm doesn't give a shit about worldbuilding

>>9945559
On the contrary, I think exactly because he has less wiggle room he's struggling to come up with something that's interesting.

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Was there ever a woman with nipples so large or so responsive? He could hardly look at them without wanting to grab them, to suckle them until they were hard and wet and shiny . . .

>>9955701
>google it
>it's real

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>>9950465
But Game of Thrones is the Knight Rider of sword-shit

A FAT PINK MAST

>>9955273
>Where did they magically get these massive chains in the first place?

It's not magical. There's a clear explanation. Obviously, the undead must have a large quarry. The undead army, takes the crude ore, puts it through some smelting process in one of their industrial factories, and sand casts the huge metal links in their foundry.

>>9955273
>Where did they magically get these massive chains in the first place?

the wildling army tried to use big chains to open the gate to the wall with mammoths didnnt they?

he could have acquired them from the dead of that battle when he raised them

I wan't Rick Grimes as Sheriff of the North. He and Daryl lead the Dothraki and unsullied army and defeat the undead white walkers, but while they're busy fighting, Negan adds Dany and Cersei to his collection of wives, and forces House Lannister, House Tully, and House Baratheon to produce for the Survivors. And just for giving him stink eye, Negan forces Rick to undress his son and castrate him. Then Coral, with no balls, shaves his head and becomes Vary's sidekick in a Robin costume.

>>9938526
>inb4 sunset found her squatting in the grass
>inb4 her cunt became the world
>inb4 fat pink mast or constipated fat man

What the hell man, why are you targeting me like that?
What am I supposed to even post now?

>>9955431
why the hell do you think we constantly debate about him being able to finish the series in 2 books?

>>9956832
you could bitch about the appalling world building in a meme like fashion

>>9956800
Exactly.
The real real question is where did the free folk get the industrial setup necessary to make those chains in the first place.

>>9955431
I think that grrm should have went with a timeskip.

>>9957660
name seven things wrong with ASOIAF's worldbuilding. I'll wait.

>>9957690
>no sense of size (absolutely fucking ridiculous)
>no sense of time
>shit tier languages
>The entire world outside of Westeros is plastic as fuck
>Seven captain planet kingdoms
>religions are stupid
>no perspective to allow immersion. World feels constructed

>>9948437
GRRM is an atheist therefore doesn't hold anything in higher regard than the present and has 0 respect for ancestry

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>>9951825
couldn't agree more desu

>>9957754
>posts an edited, perfectly lit photo shoot picture
you realise that's not how she looks IRL right?

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>>9957788
lol and i care why?

>>9957794
because your argument that 'she has a really attractive quality' is based on false premises

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>>9957797
the false premises being a photoshoot photo? ofc she doesn't look like that IRL I'm just fishing for sympathy posting photos like that. she's still a slam piece though.

https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY

>>9957809
I think she looks deformed. The type of deformity that comes from inbreeding. It's mainly the part between her eyes that's sunk too far into her face. But for some reason, her sibling fucking deformity has an allure all of it's own. I'm drawn into into her concave facial pit and would take her over Sansa or Dany.

>>9957860
Her face is so flat it's like she got bitten by a radioactive chinaman.

>>9948416
Sanderson is an excellent fantasy writer, though.

>>9957890
fucking kek

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>>9938576
And me, that boy I was..when did he die, I wonder? When I donned the white cloak? No way in hell! When I opened Aery's throat? You bet your ass it was!

>>9957733
You should change shit tier languages to no languages. Seriously for the size of Westeros there should at the very least be distinct dialects between the different kingdoms and countries but there really arent. Having a blanket common tongue in a place as big as westeros is so retarded, I mean you couldve had Aegon the Conqueror introduce some new language to try and bind westeros to him but nope. You're telling me the First Men and the Andals spoke the same language? Really? and each kingdom has the very basics of culture to make them distinct. The world building in the series is shit its just sort of true, theres alot of it buts its so shallow that it feels like 15 year old with a tenuous grasp on history constructed it. The only thing the series has that are solid are characters and some dialogue.

>>9943121
they control the shipping lanes

>>9958245

>ou're telling me the First Men and the Andals spoke the same language?

The first men are supposed to be the celts/picts, the andals are the saxons, and Aegon the Conqueror is william the conqueror. The celts/picts and anglo/saxons speak english for the most part, and no one is a native speaker of french, so it's pretty realistic in terms of the source material. Remember this is war of the roses lancaster/lannister vs York/Stark.

>>9958420
That is really goddamn stupid, just because the current events of the series are ripped off from an english civil war doesnt excuse crap like everyone speaking the same language in an entire continent the same size of South America that didnt have some strong force to teach the same language to everyone especially if they were supposed to have existed there for 10,000 years with constant warring and migration eventually languages even if they had some base would eventually splinter off into various ones not to mention cultures which other than the Northerners, Ironborn and Dorne they are all pretty much the same. Also celts didnt speak english, plus the dance of the dragons was based on the Thirty Years War so I wouldnt use the real life events the series bases itself on as an excuse for poor world building.

>>9958596

Why does most of South America speak spanish then? South America is a continent the size of South America. Unless I am mistaken. Maybe South America is a made up place.

>>9958607
Because South America was consistently reinforced spanish by Spain as well as Portuguese from Portugal both were very solidly founded and relatively united countries plus most of South America has only spoken it for 400 years that could change in the future to far more butchered versions that are unrecognizable from the original, they werent invaded by tribal people who constantly fight each other that migrated by land killing the weak indigenous people then warring among yourselves over land for 10,000 years. Even the Andals were essentially vikings who should have brought some new language of their own to impose over the First Men but I guess not.

>>9958607
South America has scores and scores of native languages from distinct language families too, many of them still in very widespread use. It would be more believable if a) we saw evidence of any other languages in Westeros (given its size, we should have the impression there are at least dozes), and b) we had some record of either the Andals or the Targaryens enacting a massive campaign to universalize the Andal language through conquest, forced reeducation, etc.

>>9958673
>Even the Andals were essentially vikings who should have brought some new language of their own to impose over the First Men but I guess not.

As I understand it, the common tongue in Westeros is an Andal-descended language. People refer to the First Men language as the Old Tongue, and some of the wildlings still speak it (although I have no idea why they'd speak the common tongue at all, given the Wall).

When will Winds of Winter be released?

>>9958673

>spain
>relatively united country

Spain is a literal frankenstein of a country.

>>9958673
>Even the Andals were essentially vikings who should have brought some new language of their own to impose over the First Men but I guess not.
THEY DID

>>9953479
Why do people think Jon needs a Targaryen name? He was just a prophecy fulfillment.
Anyway, I hope the stupid fat nigger has the decency to finish a couple of D&E novels before collapsing under his own weight.

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who's your aSoIaF waifu? pic related.

>>9960350
Dacey Mormont. She deserved better.

>>9960372
>Dacey will never pin you down and drunkenly rape you with her armor half on while on campaign

why live

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>>9960779
>rape
?

>>9955909
Thanks for the rec, exactly what I'm interested in

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>>9961888
That was a good recommendation by the other anon. You're in for a treat.

>>9955701
>his fat pink mast
>her cunt was the world
>sunset found her squatting

truly tolkien's successor

>>9963199
I have no problem with any of those phrases, honestly.

>>9955431
He wrote himself into narrative quagmires years ago and abandoned the series. The monumental size of the last books was probably a last ditch effort by his publishers to get new books on the shelves. Now that he has superfans writing ancillary materials and he has a steady stream of royalties coming in from HBO, he can spend every waking moment divided between not writing while visiting cons and blaming his audience for his sloth and not writing while promoting new projects to people that think he still brand appeal.

>>9938758
0/10 post, troll harder

>>9949342
>>9950243
>>9951825
Imagine being this easy.

>>9960350
Ygritte

>>9938637
>no silmarillion dragon

lame. was as big as a mountain, AFAIK.

>>9938555
How dumb is this guy? Why doesn't he just finish it before he dies? There really is no excuse unless hes hit by a car or something. He could get a book out in 1 year if he actually put in effort. And if you only need 2 more thats just 2 years of work. Why do fantasy writers need to take like 18 years to make a new book in a super long series when everyone else can write a book in a year or less?