what did he mean by this?

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What's hilarious is that Thomas Aquinas says very nearly the exact same thing, but about heretics.

And it even manages to make more sense coming from Aquinas, because Aquinas is worried that heretics will lead people into incorrect beliefs and practices, and thereby endanger their immortal souls after death. Aquinas is worried that heretical ideas, and the people who espouse them, will cause people to be damned to Hell for all eternity.

Meanwhile, Harris is just upset that "dangerous beliefs" will make people miserable only for this life.

>>9936461
Memes are cancer and bullets are chemo.

>>9936464
Harris always based his arguement on the idea that these things lead to suffering.

So they are the same even there. Between the idiots Harris is a little smarter in that he is concerned with suffering in the real world while the world Thomas cares about only seems real to people with their head up their ass.

The reason both are nenderthals and ultimatly cowards is that what they are really saying is "I want to kill people that disagree with me". There isn't any more profound statement going on. All the moral meandering is just a way for them to hide their true intentions from others and ultimately them-self.

>>9936493
ding ding ding

>>9936493
>real world
No such thing exists

>>9936493
Aquinas' heaven is no less real than Harris' vision of a utopian world.

Lets say that a group like ISIS got hold of nuclear weapons. This is worse than if Russians got them or China. Why? Because of the difference in beliefs. In general, Russians and Chinese are rational actors who don't want to die and will avoid having the world end in a nuclear apocalypse if there is any way to avoid it, thus the doctrine of MAD let us survive the cold war. What makes groups like ISIS different? Their beliefs. For a jihadi, dying as a martyr while fighting infidels is the ultimate goal. Also, ISIS do not care about collateral damage, eg the death of innocent muslims, because according to their beliefs good muslims will be rewarded in the afterlife anyway, so being destroyed in a nuclear blast just sends them on the express lift to paradise.

So groups like ISIS hold beliefs that are so dangerous, that if we thought they were about to acquire WMDs then it would be ethical for us to do everything in our power to kill them.

>>9936563
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>[T]he very ideal of religious tolerance—born of the notion that every human being should be free to believe whatever he wants about God—is one of the principal forces driving us toward the abyss.
-Same Harris

>>9936461
He means we should genocide muslims before they kill us

Nothing wrong with that

>>9936461
He wants to die, and he wants the killer to be someone else.

>>9936493
>"I want to kill people that promote the idea of killing others"
>n-no what he really means is that he wants to kill others for disagreeing with himself!

I think the real Neanderthal is you

>>9936464
It makes more sense coming from Aquinas if you are foolish enough to believe in a god. Even the most ardent religious follower can not deny that the beliefs of religious types is one of the biggest blood stains on humanity. The idea of Aquinas worrying about heretical ideas only factors if there were such a place as hell. The inexplicable existence of which only occurs in one religious book of all the thousands that have existed. Mainly because the idea that these two forces being the very antithesis of each other coming to an agreement over who gets sent where after death is obscenely stupid. Unfortunately, heaven and hell are as likely to exist as fairies and Santa Claus which makes the worrying of Aquinas irrelevant.

>>9936493
>Harris is 'smarter' because he cares about suffering

You can't raise IQ points through compassion idiot

>>9936515
Except, however unlikely, a utopian world is always a possibility. It won't happen, but it's not impossible. Heaven, seriously. Come on now.

Believing in a religion is the very definition of not thinking for ones self. Any person, not brainwashed from childhood, looking objectively at religion with an open mind would come to the same conclusion. To be a follower of a religion in this day and age, one must be completely closed off to reason and logic.

He's talking about pedos and waifufags

>>9937189
>ACKTHCUALLLYY *bees racist*

>>9937189
so arab christians are just as crazy?

>>9936493
>>9937168
Neanderthals were stronger and smarter than Homo sapiens.

>>9936461
This shows that 'liberalism' is an empty shell. It purports to allow a multiplicity of worldviews in society, but in order to reach this goal, sacrifices have to be made. In this, it is no different from other ideologies. The difference is just who you sacrifice and how severely you punish.

>>9937364
Practically though liberalism is more permissive (for now, at least). Try walking around with a sign saying something like "Xi Jinping go to hell!" in China, it wouldn't stay up long. Broadly people still have the right to protest in Western countries which purport to be 'liberal' in ideology.

>>9937348

Yet they're extinct and we're not.

Checkmate, evolutionists.

>>9937189
How about Pakistan or India then, should they be stopped from having nuclear weapons by force?

he meant we need to gas all whitebois now, you know, for diversity

>>9937805
If we're related to Neanderthals, why are there still Neanderthals?

Christians 1
Atheists 0

>>9937805
the interbred with whites, they didn't go extinct

>'let's stop freedom of religion on the U.S.' - Sam Harris
>but before we do that let's all democratically vote on what should be the state religion, so we can stop the others
>protestantism
>'things weren't supposed to go like this' - Sam Harris, leader of Atheist American Revolutionary Movement

>>9936461
"kill the infidels"

>>9937845

Hm.

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>>9937794
absolute devotion to a totalitarian confucian father figure sounds patrician af to be completely honest with you guys.

>>9937189
>Russia
>Europeans

>>9937175
Every sentence in that worthless post reminded of how insufferable I sounded in my teenage years. This one stood out, however:
>The idea of Aquinas worrying about heretical ideas only factors if there were such a place as hell.

Repent.

>>9937955
>heh, I used to be an atheist like you kid. *unsheathes bible* but now that I have mastered the art of reading a few New Testament verses and the wikipedia article on Aquinas, I am truly enlightened by my own salvation

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>>9938008
I know you thought that altering that meme was clever, but it's less about feeling 'saved' or "enlightened" and more about acquiring a basic post-teenager level of understanding of the role of the spiritual in an individual's moral development, and of the overwhelmingly positive role that Christianity played in the development of the most successful league of societies on the planet.

>Leave /lit/ for about a year adjusting to new job/family/kids.
>Come back and see it infiltrated by r/atheism

What the hell happened, /lit/?

>>9938132
it's a bait thread, and/or viral marketing for sam harris

>>9938132
your wife and her kids would probably be upset to learn you're such a cuck

Nothing. He meant nothing because he has nothing to offer .He is a pseudo that got his ass obliterated by Craig.

>>9936563
And what about Jews with their vicious, elitist Talmudic beliefs? Why should Israeli kikes have nukes? Off yourself, Schlomo. I agree radical muzzies shouldn't have, but I wouldn't called Israel rational by any means.

>>9937335
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. PCA autosomal DNA plots show that ancient Persians and Indians relate more closely to their modern counterparts than Europeans. The Proto-Indo-Iranians of Sintashta culture never displaced indigenous populations -- they marginally mixed to a point that didn't shift genome that much.

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>>9937168
>>9937348
>>9937805

D-did someone say NEANDERTHAL???

>>9938116
Christianity is a stupid religion, especially in its non-Gnostic forms, and Europe made more scientific progress in the 17th century when Christianity started becoming defanged. Before then there wasn't progress being made at an unprecedented rate.

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>>9937189
(you)

>>9937794
I think that liberal governments can be permissive, but it is not a result of liberalism itself, more of other conditions, like affluence and peace. In troubled times, liberalism will be oppressive as well.

>>9938562

Yes, of course, the Jews. It's just that simple.

>>9936464
Hahaha, great b8. Delusional beliefs about needing to destroy heretics are exactly the kind that Harris is declaring dangerous. You know, the same kind of beliefs encouraging ISIS.

>>9937188
Bad bait

>>9937188
But to be a follower of Twitter and IG accounts, now THAT'S civilised!

dirty sapes get out of my thread

>>9937936
Benevolent dictatorships are obviously the superior system of government.

>>9938338
I doesn't matter what you call it. Offer some evidence that the Israeli government is not a rational actor.

>>9936492
THIS
>tfw no comfy death camp to polpot some "intellectuals"

>>9938116
So you're telling me that you became a Christian not because you actually believe in God, but because of the role pf the Church. This, no means to offens, seems to me like going with the stronger faction.
Believing or not doesn't come from looking at what the people that believed that ideology did, but from believing in the core principles of that ideology. The same way that people who say communism is wrong shouldn't say "yea but Stalin and Mao killed millions of people", but disagree with its principles. Ideology =/= followers

>>9936461
kill all the 4chan users because they've stumbled onto the truth, you know?