wew lad

How do you disprove biological sex differences?

>disproving biological sex differences

Never read the Butler did they?

At this point, who else is semi-ironically on /TeamChina/ ?

>>9934895
read Butler to know her point de vue

>>9934885
Butler's been here ever since you were born, so what's the problem?

So?

I read Marx and Bakunin in a course about liberal democracy. Part of learning about ideas in social/political philosophy is learning about the reasons people disagree with those ideas.

i wonder why all these people are women.

>>9934903
She's a disingenuous huckster and an annoying dyke

>>9934904
Because if something is so stupid its not worth engaging with. They don't bother spending lectures disproving hallow earth theory in geography modules nor should this patent bullshit be entertained

I've never read butler but something tells me she never even attempted to do that. How correct am I?

the neomarxist-postmodern-crypto-communist-antiwhite-gay-black-female-jew will never compromise my mind

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>>9934885
>man chin
>man hair
>"... disproving of biological sex differences."
>all this ressentiment

>>9934935
Never read her either, but the notion 'gender is performative' automatically renders that sort of argument irrelevant.

>>9934947
She's a kike too

>>9934908
low IQ and genetic hysteria

>>9934965

Quelle surprise

Is her argument "hurr durr there are people with extra chromosomes so sex doesnt real"?

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>>9934885
this is what leftists really mean when they talk about 'queering the gender binary'

>>9934901
I saw some Now This video about some agender band in China. It was just a bunch of guys who dressed like fags.

I'm more on /TeamNuclearHolocaust/

>>9935247
Genuinely child abuse.

>>9935247
>caring about children
Lel fuckking breeders

>>9935369
homosexual queers ironically care very much about indoctrinating children into their politically correct lifestyle. they cannot reproduce, hence they must recruit

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>trashing Butler
Fucking plebs who've never read her before itt. Gender Trouble is a brilliant work.

Nothing good ever came from continental philosophy.

>>9935247
I'm a confused non-American. Isn't Fox right-wing/conservative? Why have they made this?

>>9935400
That's Fox News, the rest of their programming is similar to any other network.

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>>9935381

Even the godless Soviets believed in gender roles.

>>9935381
i wanna fuck jay

>>9935381
>Gender Trouble is a brilliant work.
>Hurr what if I didn't act girly?

Woah mind blowing

>>9935418
Fuck Jay
Marry Mike
Kill Rich

>>9935382
butler is american, therefore it's not philosophy

>>9935381
Dosent matter if say shit about a topic she dosent understand. She clearly dont understand biology, or better yet, dont want to, because muh ideology.
Gender roles may be different from biological sex
And what a person identefies with may be different from sex
But biologoical sex and some natural tendencys are real, its human nature, but fortunaly we now-a-days dont need to follow these.

>>9935418
>>9935422
Young Mike is qt. Fat Mike is weirdly hot because you know he's aggressively dominant in that completely unconscious way where he doesn't even have any weird kinks like spitting in your mouth yet it's still so intuitive to him to be a 5000% pure top and shove you into the mattress while he fucks your asshole. He's just a big chubby bear of a man in the best possible way. Probably has a fat cock.

Jay is cute but he has confidence issues. He really shouldn't because he is sufficiently cute to own any minor physical quirks that he has. I hope Jay is a reluctant top who cares about his bottom. Basically the polar opposite of Mike.

Rich doesn't even fuck. You just cuddle with him. You lay face to face with him, his big warm gut pressing into your stomach, and smilingly stare into each other's eyes, having conversation into the early hours of the morning. He'd probably stroke your hair. Just imagine his gentle voice, that angelic smiling face, and every conversation with him being like a fucking dream of heaven, deep, long, spiritual talks about life and love.

It's hard to pick. Mike has that calm-among-the-storm passion and he'd smash your asshole into a thousand pieces. Jay is an introspective auteur who would take you on a journey with him, as an equal partner. Rich would be like dating the Buddha.
I think it's this blend of starkly different yet equally awesome personalities that makes them work so well together as a group.

>Another Butler thread full of /pol/tards who've never read her
What the fuck is the point of /lit/ anymore if everybody intelligent has already left?

>>9935429
Fascinating. Any thoughts on Jack?

>>9935428
She just plays language games, where if a firm absolute line can't be drawn between two categories she acts as if the categories are meaningless. So if there's like one in a billion freaks of nature who are born intersex then sexes don't real
Disingenuous drivel

>>9935438
Nice big fucking argument you have there champ. If you read her go ahead and correct our misconceptions

>>9934904
>>9934925
that's too many skateboards for me to identify. do you have an easier way of proving i'm not a robot?

>>9935461
yeah, switching to legacy captcha

>>9935463
They're like impossible to solve now. Keeps telling me I get them wrong when I clearly didn't

>>9935468
That only happens to me with the new captcha. Legacy works fine.

>>9935438
The more I see about Butler, the less I wanna waste my time on.
Unlike Simone for example, with dosent sound bad.

>>9935443
Dont fucking say freak of nature.
A person borning with the wrong sex is completely nature. And better yet, a person may choose if she wants to be the sex she is born with.
If I am born with a dick, and want to dress, act and live like a women, I may do so.
Times arent better for people be what they are, of course, when dosent hurt others.
If I am a pedo, but know that not only my sexual preferences are anathemic to society in general, and know that trying to do with kids is not only a crime but also harmfull to said chields, I may well do with the realistic dolls out there.
But fucking society should stop being such little sissys and letting the pedos have dolls and other media. Otherwise they will be in a fucking corner and will eventual use real people by force, what is way worse then leting Joe have his doll and 2D-pre-teen waifus

>>9935472
yeah same
sometimes i get long strings of numbers to enter but besides that it works like a charm

>>9935477
Sexuality doesn't work like that, you give them an inch they'll take a mile. You can't just vent out the desires that are the foundation of you as a person, eventually they will make their predatory move

>>9935477
>If I am born with a dick, and want to dress, act and live like a women, I may do so.
And yet you're still a man.

>>9935535
even if he gets his dick chopped off he'll still have male chromosomes and be unable to give birth, you can live a different gender if you want but you can't change you sex

>>9934904
I mean, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying, but there's a point it makes no sense anymore.
It's like saying it would be valuable to learn the workings of voodoo ritual rain dancing when you're in a class on hydrology.

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>>9934885
capital needs a 100% malleable human object, hence butlerism's ascension to official state ideology. Elliot the genderfluid toddler from Halifax is a post human Overman a vessel to be filled with the latest tumblr trends. This is just the beginning.

>The next day Elliott asked for magazines to make a collage about things people should know more about, adding glitter and photos of Beyonce and trans actress Laverne Cox next to words like bodies, consent, racism, gender, and decolonization -- which they asked for help writing.


http://www.metronews.ca/news/halifax/2017/02/06/gender-nonconforming-kid-elliott-educate-pop-up-school.html

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>>9935282
>I'm more on /TeamNuclearHolocaust/

>>9935545
Its true, its depressing but it will eventually collapse when these kids grow up to have major dissociative related anxiety and depressive disorders
Capitalism can only handle so many sociopathic monsters running around

>>9935509
And not giving a intchy is way easier for they making moves faster. To think that "giving something" is a stupid logic. Is the same logic people use to trashy violence in vidya and rape fantasy porn, "oh, if we give them a little bit they will want moar!!1!". This has no logic, specialy because you dont see people going around making rape fantasy real or lolicon/shotacon real.
People arent as driven by instinct like this, if they were, we would have way more cases of rape in the world.
People know what is good and what is bad, and if they have a little dark fetish, they won't do it unless they dont see other way to release such wants, in this case, watching porn.
More over, today we are so open about sex and the sex industry is so diverse we may contract hookers or watch porn if we want some easy sex. Of course, not all the places are like this, and this is why when moralistic fags come with " hookers and porn are bad/sinfull" they need to gtfo.

>>9935535
Maybe in the biological sense, but not in the social one. And seeing that public life is all superficial, then I am a women and public.

>>9935573
>when these kids grow up to have major dissociative related anxiety and depressive disorders

the more the better. gotta keep the pill pushing industry going

>>9935578
>People know what is good and what is bad, and if they have a little dark fetish, they won't do it unless they dont see other way to release such wants, in this case, watching porn.

You're a fucking retard, sexual desire isn't like a bar in the sims that you just need to fill up every so often. Its an insidious drive that underpins all our motives. Its why you see guys on To Catch a Predator get caught wail for forgiveness only to be caught again literally the next fucking day. Its beyond measurement and fulfillment, there is no negotiating with it, just delaying the inevitable. Which is why Pedos and other degenerates should never be facilitated, only isolated removed to preserve the purity of good society

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>>9935541
Gender is literally the same thing as sex. It was originally used as a lite form of the word sex because sex was "inappropriate" at the time to use as a term.

And I simply don't know why people who are apparently progressive use this nu-term of "gender" to refer to how you "feel like". Using it that way denotes stereotyping of societal roles. (Ex: Women love pink, Women love shoes, Men like sports, Men like blue, etc.)

>>9935578
100 percent of all transgendereds are furries/pedophiles doing in for virtue signalling/perverted reasons

>>9935595
I know yeah, and during the first waves of neurotic basketcases they'll lay the blame on society not going far enough in their direction
The truth will emerge eventually though

>>9935598
>using degenerate
>getting all ofended

Have you ever heard of "sex robots"?
Clearly, go back to /pol/, fag.

>>9935609
How about you fuck off to /jp/ or whatever nasty pedohaven you came from. Your being is offensive and you should kill yourself for your own good

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>>9935615

>>9935623
Sorry kiddo this is OUR website now. We needed a platform of free speech to develope and spread our red pill and your sort were the hapless aboriginals we had to clear out of the way

>>9935615
Jimmy... Easy on /pol/

>>9934904
In biology classes they don't teach creationism. They also don't teach flat earth theory in geology or geography. It is unscientific and has no place being taught in that setting.

>>9935634
>Sorry kiddo this is OUR website now.
>gets easely ofended over anything
>cant talk with anyone outside of the "red pill sphere" aka agree with me
>MU-MUH DEGENERACY
>This expression is used by /pol/tards when confuse. When confronted by something he cant understand or have no awnser for, he usualy screams "MU-MUH DEGENERACY" or "muh traditions" to shit it down a conversation and procced to guilty jews for all his life problems.
>Sorry kiddo this is OUR website now.

Dude, you cant even talk like a human being. Go back to /pol/

>>9935649
Sorry Schlomo I'm not going anywhere and neither are my white brothers. Maybe try some website that moderates out "problematic" speech like reddit

>>9935654
Nah, say the shit you want.
But I will say shit back and you will be like "muh jews" or "u-u focking degenerate" and think you are achieving something.
Please, go on.
I want to hear more of your mindless babbling.

>>9935654
have fun going extinct

>>9935601
Yeah, because there is such thing as 100% when dealing with people.
And of course they are... What else could they be right? Like, it's so fucking obvious.
How come our society be so blind?! Those darn trannys... Bet they his gold under their beds as a method of tax evasion...

>>9935678
>>9935654
>>9935649
select all the squares with factors of 5040

>>9935669
Try telling me that when you're getting stuffed in the ovens

>>9934895
Biology is wrong.

>>9935735
>think his group has any chance of having political capital to send people into the oven

Is much easier you and your ideological friends being send to Room 101 and learn to suck Big Brother's cock than you people being able to send people to the oven again.
Your times has gone friend.
And you people were wrong, still wrong, and will never be able to gain anything anymore.

>>9935636
Science is unscientific. Creationism and FET are both true. STEMspergs reject this because it clashes with their ideology.

>>9935756
Yeah your kind peddaled the same schtick back in Weimar Germany. Before the white man woke up as he'll wake up again, just you wait and see, Virginia was just the first pulse

>>9935438
/lit/ is for people from /pol/ who want to feel smart.

>>9935777
Is it the destiny of the whyate mayn to wake up and get btfo shortly after?

>>9935423
It's still the afterbirth of Foucault amd Derrida.

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>>9935468
And what does that say about you

>>9935779
I am clinically depressed and hate the modern world. I am fully aware of the absurdity and futility of my nazi ideology. It's performance art. beats being a 'woke' faggot. I shudder to think what that must be like.

>>9935777
Heh, yeah, sure.
Isent like this is much more complex then it was in the Weimar Republic.

modernity was a fucking mistake
I'm just going to do pull-ups all day and wait for the happening

>>9935840
this

Butler is a great theorist. Ignore the clickbait.

>>9935400
That's a fake image macro.

>>9935477
It's far better to burn Joe and the trannies at the stake to deter and purify moral corruption

>>9935899
Yeah, good luck with that. Bet there must be a entire nation who shares your view... Oh wait, there are, in the middle east.
Yeah, better for you to start praying facing Mecca my friend.

>>9934895
She says so therefore it's valid. Welcome to postmodernism.

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>>9935908
you've done it now, degenerate

>>9935888
>imblying leftists postmodernists and queer theorists haven't been trying to normalise and sexualise children for decades now

Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive.


>http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html
published in the paper Libération in 1979, supporting Gérard R., an accused child sex criminal awaiting his trial for eighteen months, signed by 63 persons, stating that Gérard R. lived with young girls aged 6 to 12 and that they were happy with the situation.

Michel Foucault stated that the petition was signed by himself, by the novelist/gay activist Guy Hocquenghem, the actor/play-writer/jurist Jean Danet, pediatrician and child psychoanalyst Françoise Dolto and also by people belonging to a wide range of political positions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

>>9935899
"leftism" is a result of traditional morality

>>9934932
>>9935543
>>9935636

Notice I said in social/political philosophy, so you're "but what about science" doesn't really apply. We still read Plato. And regardless Judith Butler isn't some flat earther, she's a widely respected academic.

None of that means she's right, of course, but there are harsher injustices than taking a course where you have to read an academic whom you disagree with.

>>9935935
>she's a widely respected academic.
that's worse than being a flat earther teebee-eitch

this is the so called ''art'' that butler's ideology inspires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m53lNTdyPg

>>9935955
Nothing can be worst than flat-earthist.
Literaly "oh, no, the earth is flat, despite centurys of empirical and theorical evidence showing otherwise"

>>9935918
Am I wrong? Every single place where the so called "degenerates" have no space are those 2° and 3° world shitholes like the one I live in.
Enjoy a bunch of people hating fags and any other non-normative way of life while you also live in a corrupt,violent and backwards society as a extra.

>>9935955

I'm not out here to defend her ideas, or a shitty video Bill Nye made that you claim represents her. Her writing's bad.

But if you're taking a course on biological differences in sexes, Butler is prominent enough that it's entirely sensible to read her.

And anyway, if you were to take this course, you could almost certainly write an essay for it on why Butler's critics are right about her.

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>>9935968
>Literaly "oh, no, the earth is flat, despite centurys of empirical and theorical evidence showing otherwise"

the flat earth is the hammer with which we smash the scientocratic atheist NWO. modernity has disenchanted the earth. we strive to re-enchant it

>>9935968
>Enjoy a bunch of people hating fags and any other non-normative way of life while you also live in a corrupt,violent and backwards society as a extra.

the degenerated bug people of the West will never know what it is to be an african warlord, hopped up on mescaline, followed by an army of child soldiers raping and pillaging your way across the jungles of the darkest congo. I bet such an experience is enough to falsify and debunk all the lofty ideals of the enlightenment.

>>9936021
t. Conrad

>>9935992
>scientocratic atheist
Dude, I am amoust sure this is bait. No one can be this delusional.

>>9936021
The Kangz shall rise.

>>9936030

you're too dull to post here, it's not even fun for us

I've read one of her papers on free speech, it is really thinly veiled commie shit.
Stuff like:
>Speech as force that attacks and destroys
>The force of language permits us to recognise excessive force as not being language
>Performance of speech acts is produced and reproduced to intimidate

It's like the majority of institutions have adopted her views and used it as indoctrination for young people in these circles. Can someone give me a summary of her gender views?

>>9936030
>The Kangz shall rise

statistically their pop. numbers are outdoing even the asian nations you ignorant waste of flesh

>>9936098
Honestly, her work just seems like a way to implement and justify leftist systems of control. It demonstrates the authoritarianism necessary for neoliberalism better than anything else.

>>9935545

You know maybe shariah law wouldn't be so bad after all.

>>9934901
I've been inching towards /TeamIslam/ for a while now.

>>9935634
>>9935654
God what the fuck is with these butthurt /lit/ fags LARPING as /pol/ fags? I browse /pol/ all the time (I generally keep the shitposting out of /lit/ and talk about Joyce instead) and these limpwristed maggots aren't fooling anybody with their terrible impersonations. You people are trolling yourselves out of a board worth posting on.

>>9934885
>no biological sex differences
So what's the argument? That because features that we associate with a particular sex only appear in that sex 99.9% of the time rather than 100% of the time, that therefore sex differences aren't real? The sex/gender distinction I can at least understand, but sex differences are clearly real.

>>9935545
Disappointed that no /pol/ster has commented on the woman's nose

>>9936106
It has to do with the fact that these pops live in backward countrys where all societal garbage boils.
Usualy when you have a high learning and high learning job, you have less kids.
Said countrys where majority are black lack this.

>>9936098
>Can someone give me a summary of her gender views?
this sums it up pretty well imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtRZFGUJnOA

>>9936098
Doesn't this just legitimize violence as a form of discourse?

>>9936198
She basically equates speech acts to violence. Stuff about discursive erasure, making people silent. Shit like that. Very Derridean. It's fucking nonsense.

>>9934901
Chose one /lit/
>Sharia law
>Fascism
>Communism
>Ancapistan
>China's bitch
>Gynocracy
>Complete annihilation

>>9936233
a combination of 2, 4 and 7

>>9936233
You an just simplify it to tyranny vs. nihilism. Tyranny wins.

>>9936233
I choose fascism because it dosent need to be totalitarian garbage like the one in Germany.

>>9936185
Jesus this is fucking high pitch.
The music isent even good.
Fucking god do some good music if you wanna do gay propaganda.

>>9936233
I could totally live with Sharia. The simple knowledge that cunts like this--and in fact all cunts--would be forcibly silenced makes it worth the other tenants.

>>9936265
it's MDE/Sam Hyde, so it's satire

>>9934904
>all ideas inherently have worth regardless of what they are

Fuck off you literal marxist.

>>9936300
>no pork or beer
>submit to the sand man
fuck islam

>>9936339
A lot of dune coons are really dumb due to inbreeding. A Westernized Islam might turn out better

>>9936361
Semetism was a mistake. Jihad is just an unending swarm of pestilence and I don't even want to get started on the jews. I say return to a Greco-Roman religion with Mars at the head

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>>9936300
>>9936361
>brainlet could live under sharia

No sex outside marriage
And seeing you would be poor as fuck, you only bag ugly goats
And need to suck your imans cock, even when he clearly is full of shit
And this is just the beggining

Fuck sharia and everyone who supports this garbage.

weird to see twitter and /lit/ cross pollinating.

Also, Nick Land liked my tweet.

>>9936233
I would choose China's bitch, seems comfy, back to the world order that's been prevalent for thousands of years

B-b-but lit told me post modernism was made up by Jordan Peterson who was lying?????? How can this be possible??????

>>9936407
>Nick Land liked my tweet
tell me more

>>9934895
Because science is in the hands of white men and therefore wrong. We need to decolonize science.

>>9936407
>weird to see twitter and /lit/ cross pollinating
coincidentally, you end up with litter

>>9934895

Name three of these differences.

>>9937043
tits
vaginas
beards

>>9937043
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women
>Sexual selection stopped at the brain!
If you had any knowledge of evolution and game theory you'd know how retarded this sounds.

>>9935636

They also don't say that walking into traffic signs is bad.

>>9937074

No one over the age of 15 thinks Mind is generated by the brain.

>>9937088
So it's magic then?

>>9937091

No, it's basal. To claim otherwise is to invoke magic.

>>9937074
Nice source you got there. Shame it doesn't validate anything you're saying.

>Now, the largest brain-imaging study of its kind indeed finds some sex-specific patterns, but overall more similarities than differences.
>In other words, just by looking at the brain scan, or height, of someone plucked at random from the study, researchers would be hard pressed to say whether it came from a man or woman.
>The study didn’t account for whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.

>>9937106

>Now, the largest brain-imaging study of its kind indeed finds some sex-specific patterns, but overall more similarities than differences.
That's like saying "There isn't all that much difference between male and female outward apearance"

>In other words, just by looking at the brain scan, or height, of someone plucked at random from the study, researchers would be hard pressed to say whether it came from a man or woman.
But there are still generalization that can be made for each gender. The bell curves overlap. Nothing new.
You can't guess someones gender from their IQ, but if you absolutly had to you would still look at the data rather than flip a coin.

>The study didn’t account for whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.
>Study didn't account for some fringe mental disorder
Why should they if they weren't studying this specific mental disorder?

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>>9937106
>but overall more similarities than differences.

Stupidest thing I read all day

>>9936300

This, it would be better alternative to what we currently have.Lliberal democratic consumer capitalism constitutes a society and culture without meaning.

All opposition to Shariah is based on arbitrary preferences and prejudices - e.g. 'le bacon and beer are so epic, we can't live without them ammirite xD', or 'fuck le sand and le goats xD'

>>9935758
bad post.

>>9936300
My beard game is to weak for Sharia.

>>9936607
No one will question their influence. They just dispute that their intentions are malicious.

>>9934885
She'd make a successful farmer

>>9936607
WHAT DO WE DO NOW? ALL THOSE ANTI-PETERSON THREADS WE'D MADE... OH MY G-D! WE DIDN'T LISTEN!

>>9935600
>Using it that way denotes stereotyping of societal roles
That's the point moron. People analyzing gender and sex like 40 years ago decided to utilize a term to acknowledge the divide between what society determines it means to be a certain sex versus what it actually means to be that sex. Gender is the social construction of what your sex 'inherently' means about you.

>>9937531
hence, we need to abolish gender, the family and all other evil white social constructs and enforce state mandated gay communes

>>9937531
>between what society determines it means to be a certain sex versus what it actually means to be that sex.

just b yourself. isn't this just consumer culture? notice how 99% of those fancy new genders just happen to look like dumpy white girls with neon hair for some reason.

>>9937106
>Now, the largest brain-imaging study of its kind indeed finds some sex-specific patterns
Did you forget to read this part?

>>9937043
>The volume of the superior temporal cortex, expressed as a proportion of total cerebral volume, was significantly larger in females compared with males (17.8% increase; P = .04). This was accounted for by 1 section of the superior temporal cortex, the planum temporale, which was 29.8% larger in females (P = .04). In addition, the cortical volume fraction of the Broca area in females was 20.4% larger than in males (P = .05)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9041858

>Adjusting for age, on average, they found that women tended to have significantly thicker cortices than men. Thicker cortices have been associated with higher scores on a variety of cognitive and general intelligence tests. Meanwhile, men had higher brain volumes than women in every subcortical region they looked at, including the hippocampus (which plays broad roles in memory and spatial awareness), the amygdala (emotions, memory, and decision-making), striatum (learning, inhibition, and reward-processing), and thalamus (processing and relaying sensory information to other parts of the brain).
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women

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>>9937735
read this bro. neurosexism btfo

>>9937760
lol progressives believe in their own form of creationism. They think human evolution only applied from the neck down

>>9934895
I assume it means disproving that being biologically male or female inherently informs your gender identity.

To disprove 'biological sex differences' you simply have to prove that gender is socialized, not biological.

>>9937760
that got btfo'd by greg cochran

>>9936605
> thousands of years
do you even history, bro?

>>9938075
China has been top of the world from the first written records until the 19th century. Yes it's been thousands of years

>>9936331
Bye /r/TheDonald, this is a commie board

>>9937531
>what society determines it means to be a certain sex
And thus we go down the rabbit hole as nobody can agree on what society is determining

>>9936233
Complete annihilation

>>9938382
China as we know it hasn't even been united that long you fucking mongoloid.

>>9936233
complete annihilation unironically

>>9934885
I wonder if she would like men and women to compete against each other in sports or chess??

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>>9938016
>you simply have to prove that gender is socialized, not biological.

>>9938686
of course not, shes a female supremacist.

>>9938016
That would be disproving biological gender differences, not biological sex differences.

>>9936233
Communism because i'm mature enough to work as part of a team without pedantic whining.

>>9939048
Good choice comrade, you can work in the salt mines

>>9938909
"gender" refers to performative roles ie: masculine/feminine
"sex" is what's physically between you legs ie: male/female.

do you also pester your french teacher with questions about "but how can a car be female?!!!"

>>9939055
i'll work where i'm needed and best suited. if that means operating mining equipment, so be it.

>>9939065
Good slave!

>>9939065
See the thing is that needed and best suited are entirely different. You would absolutely be needed to plow the fields, mine for coal, haul lumber etc. but I'm guessing you're entirely unsuited for any of it.

>>9939075
dude, what century do you live in where everything is done manually? you do realise those jobs exist today as well?

>>9936175
Toplel

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>>9939048
>>9939065
>>9939084

>>9939074
it's friday night, shouldn't you be out "laying 5 bricks" instead of performing infinite-regress-of-ironic-irony on a literature board

>>9939094
i already do work in a factory.

>>9939101
i have no idea what you're talking about but communism is hella gay

>>9939048
The reason why you think Communism works is because of Russia's ideological subversion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA

>>9939109
i can live with that.

I don't think Butler ever claimed that

>>9939126
thanks, i've seen the light and now i have it all worked out.

>>9939148
if you're being ironic you're literally proving me and the video right

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>>9939060
biology determines those roles, you bumblefuck retard continental.

go suck more nazi and communist dicks, leave the discusion of reality to the adults that dont deny science. your imagination land philosophies have created enough suffering already

>>9939154
how old are you?

>>9939065
>operating
No tovarisch, YOU are the mining equipment.

>>9939153
can you prove the state indoctrination hasn't happened to you?

>>9939163
exactly the type of response i would expect from a continental.
meaningless bullshit.
god damn, your entire fucking tradition is bankrupt dogshit.
and nazis

>>9939154
Christ almighty maker of heaven and earth and all that is seen and unseen, why must you torture me with this picture

>>9934885
Suicide

>>9939060
posts like this make me realize how old I am. It will be hard for you to imagine, but in my langauge gender and sex are the same word and we didn't make a distinction between the two until maybe 5 years ago. We even call it "gender" now, yes, the English word.

But this post shows me how to some people this is already undeniable fact, while others still cannot wrap their head around it, hell, some who live without the internet might have not even noticed that there has been a change recently.

What an absurdity.

>>9939317

It's taught in schools as official dogma.

>>9939238
Not at argument

>>9935207
Sorprese amico.

>>9939317
Gender and sex have always meant two different things, I have a dictionary from 1987 that makes the distinction. Just because this knowledge is more prevalent now doesn't mean it's just it wa created last year. When I was in high school in 2005 people made the distinction all the time when talking about some of tge trans and gay people in school. You probably come from a flyover who is late to catch onto any type of trend. I dont see why people hate this so much, yes the ones who talk about a million different genders are retarded but acting like some men done act like women or want to be them or some women act like men and want to be them is just putting ignoring reality that has always existed when allowed in history

white people scare me

>>9939348
ignore phone typing

>>9939348
>Gender and sex have always meant two different things
That's factually wrong. the distinction didn't exist until the second half of 20th century

>>9939348
>flyover
>literally imply that English isn't my native language.

wew

>>9939349
Kys

>>9939348

The dictionary's job is not to provide an "official" definition of a word. They will record words the way they are used. If people are using the word "literally" to mean "figuratively" then the dictionary editors will record both definitions.

Appealing to the dictionary is stupid because if enough people use a word incorrectly, it will make it's way into the dictionary regardless.

>>9939400
>>9939355

I'm not arguing for or against it I'm just replying the anon who thinks all of this stuff just popped up in the last 5 years

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>>9939348
>probably come from a flyover

WEW

>>9939405

It might as well have. I'm sure some progressive university professors believed in the sex/gender distinction as early as the 1980s, but there is always a lag between what academics believe and what the general population believes.

>>9939441
This isn't some bogeyman 'coastal elite' shit, flyover states generally catch on trends later and thats a fact

>>9935911

That is not what postmodernism means.

>>9939317

>until maybe 5 years ago
>realize how old I am

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_Hand_of_Darkness
>The Left Hand of Darkness is a science fiction novel by U.S. writer Ursula K. Le Guin, published in 1969
>1969
> A major theme of the novel is the effect of sex and gender on culture and society
>sex and gender
>in society
>we didn't make a distinction between the two until maybe 5 years ago
we didn't make a distinction between the two until maybe 5 years ago
>we
>we
>we??????
>
>
>
>You must be 18 years or older to post on this board
>rd
>???
>??
>?

>>9939465
Transgender isn't a "trend". There has been transgender people for the entire existence of the human race, long before coast states or flyover states, or the USA, or even civilization itself.

>>9939544
you mean mentally ill people always existed? sure

>>9936394
Jokes on you pal, I'm already never going to hae sex. At least with sharia, the normies would be forced to feel my pain... or else.

>>9939545
Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue and the best treatment available for it is transition. So I'm glad we're in agreement.

Unless you happen to think that your feelings about mental health are more important than the reality and expert consensus of trained doctors.

>>9939575
i think that the insane suicide rate of successful transitions lays bare the lie that it is in any way a treatment for this mental illness.

>>9939575
>and the best treatment available for it is transition

no, not always. not even most of the time. in the majority of cases patients, especially young ones, reporting/exhibiting 'gdd' symptoms go on to live and identify as their sex and not as trans.

the problem has been that political pressure on the apa and psychiatrists has been so intense as to have mutated the discourse around gdd and trans and made it increasingly difficult to be provide accurate information and safe, effective, and appropriate treatment. the default prescription is now becoming 'transition', when it should be, for most, anything but.

>>9939627
>>9939575

>https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/10/transgender-clinic-waiting-times-patient-numbers-soar-gender-identity-services
>Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal increases in the number of referrals to all of the UK’s 14 gender identity clinics (GICs) in recent years, with a number of clinics experiencing increases of several hundred percent.
>A clinic in Nottingham reported a 28-fold increase in referrals in eight years, from 30 in 2008 to 850 in 2015. It expected this to increase to more than 1,000 referrals during 2016.

>>9939627
There is already way too much gatekeeping as is, even more if they're under 18. It takes referals, approval from a psych, test rounds of (reversible) hrt, and much more efore any irreversal step like grs is made. Some people don't even have the surgery at all.

>>9939641

i don't approve of gatekeeping. so long as you are of a reasonable age to make informed decisions about what to do with your own body, you should be able to do whatever you want. but you should be properly informed about the REAL consequences of your decisions, and be provided REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS of the costs and benefits of given treatments, especially hrt and reassignment surgery. this is becoming increasingly difficult for psychiatrists to do without incurring legal action against them.

children expressing 'gender dysphoria', however, should not be primed for transitioning. i'd like to say it would be best to just leave them alone until they get older, but given all the propaganda out there bolstering trans ideology, i think a more proactive intervention is necessary to prevent the very young from a potential lifetime of deep hardship.

>>9939627
This. I remember reading in a study somewhere that over 70% of pre-teens who identified as trans went on to become cis later in life.

>>9939575
>Gender Dysphoria is a mental health issue and the best treatment available for it is transition

I think its horrendously unethical to even suggest that transition can be called a treatment.

>>9939545
many traditional cultures around the world recognise a 'third gender' that is somewhat analogous to trans people. However we happen to live in an atomised consumer hellscape were everything has to be made into a trend/consumer product which is terrible for the mental health of everyone involved.

I agree with >>9939658


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femminiello

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

>>9939691
There's no such thing as a "third gender", don't be retarded. All these come down to are just girly men or manly women, nothing that breaks the dichotomy

>>9939703
Explain this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

There are literally hundreds of historic examples in many cultures across time and the globe.

>>9939715
And they're all horseshit. If your behavior is totally derivative or either of the two genders then you are not categorically separate from either.
I don't care what some street shitting heathen fucks say

>>9939687
Why?

>>9939736
Because you're literally not even attempting to cure their delusions. You're trying to mould reality to correspond to it

>>9939595
now what about the suicide rate for unsuccessful / non-transitions

>>9939746
>not even attempting to cure their delusions.

You know they are aware of their condition, right? It isn't a delusion. As a man I happen to believe that I was born to be a man. Feeling otherwise isn't a delusion if you recognize the cause of your condition.

Can you provide any relevant arguments to the scientific consensus on the issue. Can you propose another form of treatment?

>>9939727
>street shitting heathen

Well I don't really care what some Puritan castration-complex albino mutant has to contribute to the discussion.

>>9939746
>mould reality

lol, isn't that the same idea as constructing buildings? That is 'moulding reality'

>>9939764
it barely changes actually, which is why it is not a cure as that anon said.

>>9939794

Not him, but I'd propose working on accepting the cards you were dealt, whether you feel like you are a man or a woman. Accepting the reality of the situation. Permanently butchering your body is not the answer; it is only placating this confused psyche inside.

>>9939819
seeing how gender dysphoria is highly comorbid with depression and anxiety disorders i don't think telling them to simply "deal with it" will help

>>9939800
Yeah whatever you say Pajeet, once you don't shake my hand on it

>>9935935
Yeah but when she talks about biological sex differences she enters the realm of science.

>>9939829

And obviously post-op results are not good either. You don't have to be as upfront as "just deal with it." You can reinforce that message much more nicely in a controlled setting over a long period of time. Acceptance of reality is the only way to move forward. Why do you think this whole world is upside down? There is a fundamental lack of acceptance of the natural laws here, thus insanity all around.

>>9939794
>As a man I happen to believe that I was born to be a man.

And that's patently retarded since you have zero reason to believe so. At best you weren't "meant" to be anything, you just are what you are. You can say you would rather be something else but that's not a medical issue that's just a personal whim. If you believe however you literally are or "should" be a woman then you're out of your mind.

>>9939829
And who says anything should help, sometimes life is just shitty and then you die. Get over it and move on or end it now

Her work is very obviously about political instrumentalizing deviant people as footsoldiers of the revolution.

Why anyone who is not a commie should care about her escapes me completely.

>>9939829
Depression and anxiety are not real diseases. Get enough sleep, exercise, don't eat burger king for every meal, and hang out with your friends instead of posting on imageboards 24/7, and would you look at that, your "disease" is magically cured. And all without getting addicted to antidepressants that these quack doctors push for insurance bux.

>>9939880
This. The Universe is a scary depressing shithole. There is absolutely no reason not to be depressed or anxious

>>9937106
>overall more similarities than differences
Wait, you're telling me that the two sexes of a species, despite differences, are very much alike? Fuck man that's groundbreaking.

>>9936997
I can't wait for the Chinese to take over as the main global influence. Man... All that freedom you queers took for granted. It's gonna be a rough time period for those people.

>>9939154
I came in my pants.

Trump just signed the bill banning tranny freaks from the military lmao

Libtards btfo

>>9939805

Perfect comparison.

>>9939485
ok

>>9940027
yeah I bet all the 80 or so trans freaks in the military are really infuriated about this

i have a circadian rhythm but i feel like i don't realy want one, what would you suggest doctor?

>>9936236
>tyranny vs. nihilism
I don't think such an opposition is inherent either to these concepts or to their current 'roles' and manifestations today

>>9939575
Firstly medical consensus is ideological. Lobotomy was medical consensus, as was hysterectomy for unhappy women and thalidomide. It refleets contemporary trends not some undying truth.
Secondly, the entire notion of trans identity is based on the idea that we have a true unchanging self to which the body can be altered to reflect. Ones identity changes over time, you can't revert surgery or some hormone treatment without permanent damage. It's a basic transgression against 'first do not harm'

>>9939348
'in my language' probably doesn't mean American English you dingus

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>>9939829

I wish I had been born with more hair and a bigger dick but it's just not the way things worked out. You literally have to deal with what chance/genetics has decided for you.

>>9937043
Hormone differences
Neural differences
Superficial differences
OH WOW IT'S FUCKING EVERYTHING

>>9940892
more hair? MORE hair? my god, so many people want more hair, it's such an inconvenience when you have clothing to replace it. i wish i were completely hairless besides my nose hairs, ear hairs, and eyebrows.
i also would find convenience in not having a penis at all, to be honest. might as well get rid of my entire digestive system, and just make sure i work without any of that bullshit.

>>9939691
>>9939715

A Roman emperor, I can't remember which one, castrated a male slave to make him into a "woman." I don't think perversity is anything new.

A lot of cultures invent the same things independently. In many, if not most, cultures around the world women and girls are subservient to men. It's interesting that you think that the existence of a "third gender" in "hundreds" of cultures somehow legitimizes trans people, but would never apply the same argument to female subjugation.

To be honest, the liberal, feminist, culture we have now in the West is highly unusual and aberrant compared to what goes on in the majority of the world.

>>9940959
>To be honest, the liberal, feminist, culture we have now in the West is highly unusual and aberrant compared to what goes on in the majority of the world.

This is so true.
The West was always foward.
We need to defend it by any means necessary.

>>9937043
Women have 30% less neurons in their brains.

>>9937088
Quantum nano structures in inter universal teichmuller field over multi universal m-brane interconnect all realities as dream of MahaVishnu begins real mind state, everything begins explain in motive Brahman geometry

>>9937106
For a board on so heavily focused on sophistry and philosophy this board sure gets spooked the fuck out every time this is applied to humans: suddenly, making differences and distinctions don't matter to leftist at all.

Really makes me think!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Suydam

>>9939154

Can you tell us more about your Biology and its felt effect on your gender?

>>9937735

How does any of this relate to the fact that you wouldn't know what gender anyone in this thread is given infinite posting?

>>9941275
I don't experience gender separately from my body

>>9940900
>>9940973

See: >>9941290

What relevance does any of this have?

>>9941294
women and men have biological differences.

What is your problem retard

>>9939485
>Defining something.

Fascist.

>>9941290
>How does any of this relate to the fact that you wouldn't know what gender anyone in this thread is given infinite posting?

I can always tell a female poster, its painfully obvious

>>9935414
They also put homosexuals in camps.

Remember that today's marxist intellectualism is an out-of-control meme weapon serving a dead state.

>>9936198
Yes, it does. Get ready for the street battles.

>>9936233
Ancapistan or the Fascism, depending on what kind it is.

>>9936605
>Thousands of years
>Beliving neo-Sino propaganda.

>>9941327

And you're wrong in your telling. My point exactly.

>>9941303

There are many irrelevant Biological differences, like blood type or femoral neck shape. What makes those you speak of any different?

>>9939171
Yes, because my state indoctrination is that our history is evil and brown people are wonderful.

>>9941368
Neither of those things are "irrelevant"

>>9939575
>We need to change the entire legal and societal structure of our entire society to deal with a miniscule number of mental health patients.

Somehow I'm not convinced.

>>9941368
>blood type is irrelevant.
fuck you people are legit brain damaged.

>>9941368
>Blood type is irrelevant
>Femoral neck shape is irrevelvant

Better hope you don't get stabbed in the neck and need a transfusion.

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>>9941396
>Doctor: I don't need the chart Nurse, A1, B, fat, thin, man, woman its all the same shit

>>9939848
Every time anyone talks about what works for people with gender dysphoria everyone always brings up SRS
But ilthe most important thing for transgender people is transitioning which does lower suicide rates

At this point in time SRS is a barbaric surgery with terrible results and that's why so many people are unsatisfied

>>9941447
Because sex can't actually be re-assigned, its just mutilating someone to superficially approximate the opposite gender

>>9941458
For now

>>9941468
And probably forever, good luck trying to genetically transmutate an entire organism without fucking killing it in the process.
Nah its bogus, not in a million years

>>9934885
Didn't know she was a biologist?

>>9939238
so you're 16?

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>>9939829
leftist ideology is blatantly contradictory. gender is an evil white social construct that needs to be abolished, but one can be 'born the wrong gender'. point this out and the pink haired lgbtsjw genderblobs will only be able to screech white male! hatespeech! hatespeech! transgenderism is an ideologically motivated politically correct programme of cultural subversion. leftist social engineering. Butler and the original 'queer theorists' explicitly talked about destroying the family, gender and all traditions and abolishing the age of consent. i wont stand by this.

>>9938992
can u read?

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reminder

>>9941851
Don't forget male and female brains are identical but you can be born with a "female brain"

>>9941892
Reminder
talk shit get hit

>>9936331
Marx thought value came from labor...? He even lists ideas as an instance when labor can be worthless...

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i think butler is right on an embryological level.

>>9941396
>>9941404

As far as Society and how people treat each other in general, yes, they are irrelevant. Unless you think blood type and such should be as drastic a divide as gender.

>>9934901
this

>>9941875
It's unlikely anyone here can

>>9941968
>its irrelevant except when it isn't

Dude shut the fuck up

>>9941973

Do you think there should be a single Sociocultural difference in the way people treat you and the way they treat someone with a different blood type?

>invariably no

Then you don't believe in gender.

>>9941968
Move dem goalposts.

>>9941982
That's so fucking Eurocentric of you you bigot.

>>9941983

My first post: All markers of "gender" are Biological trivia with no Sociocultural relevance and no deterministic bearing on the Human Spirit.

The post you replied to: All markers of "gender" are Biological trivia with no Sociocultural relevance and no deterministic bearing on the Human Spirit.

>>9936233
China's bitch, easily. Light fascism a la South Korean junta wouldn't be that bad either.

>>9941982
>>9941996
If doctors treat you differently for having a different bloodtype then that is a """sociocultural""" difference you fucking retard.

>>9941996
You're being ridiculous; first blood type can affect how I treat people in many different contexts, for planning purposes, responses to emergencies, etc. Second, you're taking blood type and saying that it's the same as gender, equating the biological differences between a man and a woman to the same as someone with O Positive or AB. It's a false equivalence and you look stupid for making it.

>>9942004

No, by definition, it's not.

>>9942006

What makes it false?

>>9942014
>No difference in the needs of men and women
>No difference in how they act or the biological chemistry within them
>No need to account for any of the differences these cause in anyway shape of form.

I guess periods just don't exist in your world.

>>9942014
>No, by definition, it's not.

BY WHAT DEFINITION
"SOCIO-CULTURAL" AS A QUALIFIER MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
YOU ARE A DISINGENUOUS SHITSTAIN

>>9942014
Here's a basic one; you assert no difference. We look at reality; women have different reproductive systems to men which involve menstruation, this entails the desire to deal with periods and such, this further creates a socio-economic need for menstrual products, with in turn creates a socio-cultural difference in how men and women are treated. This must be taken into account both within general society and also within more extraordinary contexts such as military, physical labour, expeditions into remote regions, etc.

Thus this creates a difference; it also varies wildly between cultures, causing more differences.

>>9942035
You're wasting your time, this poster a priori assumes his proposition and zhe'll just retroactively dismiss every possible contradiction against it as not fulfilling some nebulous pseudo-criteria.
Utterly pointless person

>>9942022

It may mean nothing to you, i.e. a person with no Social life and no Culture. For what it's worth, even though there are drastic differences between our anatomies, I don't think yours dictates your cretinism.

>>9942021

There is a much greater chasm between you and me than between any concepts of man and woman.

>>9942035
>the same anatomic aspect
>produces wildly different reactions through different cultures

Why are you guys refuting your own points now?

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>>9942045
>It may mean nothing to you, i.e. a person with no Social life and no Culture.

This guy pretending to be leftist is hilarious.

You all are actual fucking idiots. What was the last book any of you read about anything?

>>9942126
readings for faggots lol

>>9942154
faggots are a spook like gender and the vehicle that wasn't in any of the squares

>>9942156
>so what if I have a black cock in my mouth, it doesn't make me gay, thats just a spook

>>9942163
>so what if i post on /lit/, that doesn't make me literate, that's just a spook

>>9942163
For a website dedicated to irony, you all are terrible at identifying it.

>>9942173
*snorts* heheh.. looks you just fell for my double bluff

>>9942178
who is falling for bluffs now?

>>9935442
hi jack

>>9941290
How is being able to tell who's posting a good metric of a particular gender's inherent personality traits?

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>>9941996

>All markers of "gender" are Biological trivia with no Sociocultural relevance and no deterministic bearing on the Human Spirit.

Can you imagine actually believing this nonsense? I wonder what daily life is like for him/her/it.