What is the single argument someone brings up that makes you

>Everything is subjective

>Human nature

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>>9901476
>Science says...

drumpf

Why would any single argument be applicable in all situations?

>>9901487
>on a certain topic

>>9901482
>Human nature is a spook

>>9901477
>>9901482
>>9901495
>spooks are subjective

>>9901476
>it's just your opinion...
>jesus was a jew
>religion is the cause of all our problems

>Wars are caused by religious differences

>>9901492
>the single argument

If it's not the single argument then it can be literally anything and this thread is stupid.

>>9901520
>autism

>>9901476
>gives opinion
>provides no justification

>>9901676
wait..

>>9901549
Pikachu, I choose you. Ad hominem.

>>9901848
If you couldn't infer the boundaries to make discussion in this dumb thread practical you are on the spectrum.

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>>9901476
For religion, when they just resort to saying "It's just what I believe."

For politics, it's usually when people are calling someone/something else unfair.

>>9901865
You sound like another lolbertarian fedora

>>9901865
>For religion, when they just resort to saying "It's just what I believe."
This is actually a completely fine argument in itself. The problem arises when that person also acts like that faith is objective truth.

>>9901476
In art threads, a person attacking modern and postmodern art while posting 19th century landscapes and tasteless historical and mythological paintings, talking about "talent" and "effort".

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>objective truth

>>9901476
Equality. Any topic.

>>9901865
>For politics, it's usually when people are calling someone/something else unfair.

Kill yourself edgelord

>>9901476
Don't listen to these heathens. You need Jesus, and nothing else.

>systemic

>>9902166
doesn't it exist?

>>9902159
>modern and postmodern art
>art

>>9901485
This, definitely. If you aren't well versed in statistics and the philosophy of science I dont want to hear what you think you know about what science says

When people say "Not an argument" as a reply.

>>9902590
an argument

>>9902559
The sky is blue, that is an objective truth.

But... what blue? Do we see the same shade of blue?

>>9901506
>jesus was a jew
But he was

>>9901476
>Think of the children

>>9902603
that's his point

>>9901477
This right, here. In stupid people it's this post verbatim, in slightly less retarded people it's extreme skepticism applied conveniently.

"No place in today's society"
"divisive"

>>9902599
>But... what blue? Do we see the same shade of blue?
I nominate this for OP's topic.

>appeals to objectivity
>analogy of any kind

>holocaust happened

>>9901476
Whenever someone disagrees with me.

>Culture of Critique

>people pretend to enjoy difficult literature to appear intelligent
It still baffles me that someone could say this without realizing what they're giving away about themselves.

>they start to get flummoxed and ask me if I'm a Jew

>>9902599
if a is b and b is c, a is objectively c

>>9905502
Are you?

>>9901476
>A study came out...
>A study...
>A...

Conversely, if someone even knows what meta-analysis or review article even mean, I'm much more confident of their opinion.

>>9901515
kek but this is true. I'm sure you're familiar with Isis and the last 1400 years of middle/near east history.

>>9905641
Told you already that I am a rich powerful Jew, get over it

>>9901476
>What is the single argument someone brings up that makes you realize they don't know what they're talking about on a certain topic
God exists.

>>9905680
>ISIS is a product of Islam and not geopolitics
You don't see wealthy Muslims in the west or in stable muslim countries blowing shit up do you

>>9902599
Brainlet detected. Read Wittgenstein or pretty much any work of philosophy in general. When we discuss whether or not the sky is blue we're discussing an external phenomenon, not our internal state or the modal criteria by which we infer that the sky is blue - one could even arrive at this knowledge by pure revelation or a non-empirical transcendental intuition and it wouldn't matter either way. Moreover your supposition that we experience different "blues" (as if "blue" were a proper name for some qualitative state) only makes sense if it can be contextualized such that the "subjective states" of different agents could be compared with each other against some fixed and determinate backdrop.

>>9905711
>stable muslim countries

LOL

>>9905724
Currently living in Morocco, I don't see any terrorist attacks here

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>>9901476
_____is degenerate

Buddhism is nihilist

"i don´t want to fight over it with you"

>>9905736
thats cause you got that rag over your eyes homie

>>9905746
well. it is!

>>9905736

>countries
>names only one
>is 99% Muslim, so total control
>"Some local Christian leaders estimate that there may be as many as 8,000 Christian citizens throughout the country, but many reportedly do not meet regularly due to fear of government surveillance and social persecution."
>is also close to a police state in terms of security and surveillance, but thinks that has no effect on stability
>has bombings as recent as 2011

Sounds swell. I look forward to our future police states here in Europe thanks to your religious brethren.

>>9905788
Europe has a history of forming police states all on it's own.

>>9905792
not muslim ones

>>9905788
All the problems you named have nothing to do with Islam, Christians do have Churches in my city and literally no one gives a shit about your religious beliefs unless you're a fedora cunt who can't stop talking about religion.
>has bombings as recent as 2011
If your post is not cherry picking I don't know what is

>>9905813
>If your post is not cherry picking I don't know what is
yeah bro bombings are normal it's part and parcel of living in a major city

>>9902603
No he wasn't dude

>>9905820
Who said they're normal? I'm talking about the "as recent as 2011" part, even European countries have had their fair share of bombings from 2011 onwards that aren't even Islamic

>>9905827
Which ones?

>>9905835
Norway's 2011 ones

>>9905813

Oh, shut the fuck up you dumb cunt. You stated above, "countries," as in plural. You named one country, then proceeded to not name any others. As to fucking cherry picking, you claimed to live in a country that is stable, as if that stability has something to do with Islam. That's what you implied. That a country is living right next to a place like Algeria, and that various groups ranging from AQ and IS have said they wanted a pan-African caliphate, which would include your 99% Sunni country that has had bombings in it from Islamists, is important. So there has to be some sort of top down pressure from the government to make sure you lot are not misbehaving. Lo and behold, after a short google, news articles and human rights from last few years mentioning surveillance and near police state like apparatus in Morocco. So, yes, fuckhead, your so-called stable Muslim society might have something to do with the intelligence infrastructure that keeps you lot on a leash.

Fuck me, not even right wing, but when I talk to you arrogant Muslim-defending trash and your fucking ongoing defence of your medieval tier garbage societies I start thinking about going full /pol/.

inb4 muh bad westerners. No shit, cunt. That's not at issue though, is it. Hopefully, there will be a time coming when we can offer a little payback to everyone involved in the shenanigans since 2001. Muslim, neocon, neoliberal, or left wing.

>>9905783

Like clockwork, lmao go to a sangha.

>>9902599
If you're worried about shades, why not say that we see the sky as between such and such frequencies of blue wavelength?

>>9905880
>That's what you implied
Except I never did, all I said is that if Islam was the reason for the war in the middle east then every Muslim country would be an ISIS coordinating terrorist attacks on the west.
>muh police sstate, muh surveillance
How is that an Islam thing? I mean damn I'm sure the U.S has no surveillance at all
>not even right wing
You sure sound like your average /pol/tard
>arrogant Muslim-defending trash and your fucking ongoing defence of your medieval tier garbage societies
I never defended Islam, I'm not even Muslim myself, just stating that religion is not what fuels conflict but resources and interest.
>inb4 muh bad westerners
autistically presenting an argument doesn't make it less true, the middle east would be much more progressive had it not been for the anglos fucking it up for a century, compare Iran before U.S/U.K having a fit over muh oil and now

>>9905711
True, EU countries rarely experience terrorist attacks. Muslims and Christians rarely experience conflict with each other.

>>9905923
Keyword : wealthy
Do you honestly believe a man who is minding his own business and providing for his children just wakes up the next day and tells himself that it's time to kill disbelievers?
ISIS is already breaking every Islamic Sharia rule of war but if I point that out I'll get some fedora who just learned logical fallacies screaming about Scottish men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence

>>9901476
See
>>9901520

>>9905711
Islam has been a violent and imperialist cult since its inception. I'm sure you remember how the Prophet killed people who disagreed with his monotheistic religion.

Stop trying to pretend it's all just bad westerners ruining everything. Islam is definitely one of the primary reasons for the Middle East's current predicament

>>9902347
t. butthurt commie

>>9901476
"Religion is illogical" or "It's only logical to be an atheist"

>>9905719
Jesus, what a faggot.

>>9906010
.Imperialism still exists today, whether it's under the banner of "Islam" or "War on terror", there is no difference.
Also
>Projecting current age morality on someone that existed 1400 years ago
I bet you think the roman empire was a terrorist state
Religion is just the justification, never the cause.

>>9906017
>"Religion is illogical" or "It's only logical to be an atheist"
-t Brainlet who hasn't read the God Delusion

How come /lit/ is so fond of religion

>>9906078
Maybe my father was right and reading is actually bad for the brain.

>>9906078
LARPers, shitposters and loonies, aka pretty much every board on this site

>As Freud said...

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>it depends what you mean by ____

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>Quantum

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>>9906122
>quantum

>>9906058
I'm not even religious, it's just that this has nothing to do with logic. If you want to be logical you have to be agnostic because then you basically say "I dunno". Atheism is grounded in the belief that there is no good which is nothing but an assumption.

My point is that atheism is just like religion a matter of faith.

Everything is relative.

>>9906139
I meant atheism is grounded in the belief that there is no god

>>9906139
>>9906058
>>9906017
>>9906157
whether or not it SHOULD be, "Atheism" can be used to mean three things.

A. not participating in any organized religion
B. speaking out against organized religion, due to the belief that religious participation itself is harmful.
C. Specifically coming to the conclusion that a higher being is impossible

A. could be better put as agnostic, but atheism is a stand-in term here. B. is the original meaning of atheist. Throughout history most people generally speaking have been ambivalent about the religion forced upon them either by authority or culturally, however the revolutionary position of atheism is to speak out against spiritual observance outright. C. is, I would say, overlapped with scientism as an ideology. You would see this from someone who abandons faith due to a tragedy not prevented by god, or something of the sort.

Try to specify what you are referring to, and when debating, understand that someone may be using the term to mean something different than you

>>9901476
Honestly anytime people bringout buzzwords
Or try to diagnose someone after spending just an hour talking to them.

>hate speech isn't protected speech

>>9906181
>C. Specifically coming to the conclusion that a higher being is impossible

But this is nothing more than a belief isn't it? I'm not arguing in for or against atheism but this thread is about arguments that make us know that whoever we're talking to is clueless about what we're talking about. People often say things such as "Religion is just illogical" which is plain wrong. This is wrong because logic is just the deduction of true statements using axioms, so terms we classify as true. This is easier in math because the calculation let us easily detect errors we've made (for example we could get two contradicting statements if our axioms were poorly chosen and it's much much easier to see that something is false than it is to see if it's true).
In the real world we simply can't figure out if there are such axioms. It's too hard and complex to find them (if they even exist). Therefore whenever we use our logic we have to keep in mind that or statements are just as good as our axioms which might suck.
The atheist I'm talking about are

>C. Specifically coming to the conclusion that a higher being is impossible

and the way you've defined them perfectly shows the ignorance I'm talking about. Because why would there be a logical reason to object to religion? You can use history as examples for how religion has done quite a bit of wrongs (I'm sure I don't have to explain). That would be a good argument why you shouldn't follow religion, however this only talks about how let's say "good" religion is and not if it's something it is true. There is literally not a single reason other than you not believing in it that let's you deduct it being wrong. Even if you say that the bible has paradoxical statements all it means that humans can make mistakes and not that there isn't a higher entity watching over us. If you want to know more abuot what I'm talking read up on epistemology. I didn't do that good of a job of writing down my thoughts because I suck at writing.

So in short, my problem is not with religion but with people not knowing how logic works.

>>9906010
WTF I hate Islam now!!

>>9905880
ISLAM BTFO!!!!

>>9906139
Atheism is the indefinite suspension of belief in a theistic god due to lack of evidence and reason to believe in a theistic god. Written in full it woud be called "Agnostic Atheism", but it is shortened to "Atheism" as that accounts for pretty much all Atheists in the way most Christians are certain of God so would be Gnostic Theists.
Gnostic atheism is usually just a strawman used by people wanting to use the "atheism is religion too" line.

>>9902590
this is the ultimate retard identifier for the past year on 4chan.

>>9905711

No, never lol. That would be weird haha

>>9902603
>And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Does that sound like a (((Jew))) to you?

You shouldn't lose hope if you are depressed and suicidal, you should try still, because Rowling was depressed and contemplated suicide also because she was abused by her husband during marriage. And later she wrote harry potter and became a billionaire.

This one is by my bff.

>>9905711
Bait not even worth posting imagine for.

>>9901865
>It's just what I believe.
Well, it's the same for atheism. It isn't scientifically proven that God doesn't exist. It is not scientifically proven that the universe isn't infinite. Infinite space = infinite possibility. Everything possible = God's existence possible.

>>9903701
this x1000. whenever pseuds are losing an argument it's always the same last ditch effort:

>"you can't be COMPLETELY sure about ___!"

>>9901476
>(((literally anything)))
>jews
>unsolicited comparisons to trump
>you just hate women
>you're racist
>slurs against blacks
>subjectivism
>death of the author

>>9907565
>literally called king of the Jews
>berates a gentile woman as a "dog"
>early followers were 99% Jews

It's not impossible for Jews to be blonde, either.

>>9905711
Far-right white supremacists now commit twice as much terrorism as Muslims in the US

>>9905736
That's because you export them to Spain :^)

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>>9901476
>What is the single argument someone brings up that makes you realize they don't know what they're talking about on a certain topic

>>9905941
There is no one Sharia, there are many different schools of Islamic jurisprudence and just because ISIS is not following your personal identification doesn't mean that they're necessarily breaking the rules that they believe in. What you said would be like a Shia criticizing a Sunni for their lack of adherence to the principle of the imamate. It's simply not something within their belief system.

>>9908589
Not that anon but could you source your claims? he posted a good reference to what he said.
Also, I thought ISIS were Sunnis too (because the page he posted corresponds to Sunni Islam)

>>9908599
>>9908599
I've been out of school for a while and the last thing I read that touched on this stuff was really only tangential so I can't name any sources but I can point you in a direction if that's okay?

>fiqh/
Fiqh is the term for man's understanding of Sharia. Like sharia is believed to be the objective, divine law, fiqh is how man interprets the law of god and owing to man's fallibility, there can be many different fiqhs. It can also be thought of as akin to western philosophy of law in that it studies the divine law itself.

>madhab/madh'hab/madhhad
Madhhab is a specific subsection of fiqh but it speaks more towards what I was saying. A madhhab is a school of thought within fiqh which speaks to what adherents of the school believe. Think of how within Western philosophy of law there is divine command theory and social contract theory as ways of interpreting law. Likewise there are several branches of madhhab today across sunni, shia and ibadi sects of Islam. Though I think there was a joint declaration a few years back which narrowed down "accepted" schools this really only speaks to a majority consensus and with groups like ISIS which necessarily operate on the fringe it doesn't actually exclude them from their own personal interpretation of Islam.

>>9906010
>Islam has been a violent and imperialist cult since its inception.
>Islam is definitely one of the primary reasons for the Middle East's current predicament
imagine being this retarded

>>9901476
the gulag archipelago

>>9908515
>gentile woman as a "dog"
Canaanite. He praised the Roman centurion, for example. Mr. Narrative.

>>9906109
In many cases it does. Not only does the political media change meanings to get positive or negative connotations to words, definitions etc., but the field of science and culture is splintered so far in our contemporary atomization - that we barely speak the same language. Tower of Babel is the story of our time.

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>>9908515
>called king of the Jews
>Jews are the ones who put him to death

Pilate was being ironic in calling him that, as the Jews present claimed to want him dead, and same for the establishment within the church.

>>9902603
You proved the point.