Is there any philosophy more useless and baseless than postmodernsim?

>posting Michel Foucault, known historicist
>believes that culture and society is DETERMINED by material conditions
Lurk more

>>9897617
Spoon feed

>>9897603
look, there are people who like to cut their dicks off, there are people that like to put their dicks in guys butts. No amount of criticizing post-modernism (which has nothing to do with what you're talking about) is going to stop people from doing these things.

Get over it. Go read a book or something.

>>9897844
>there are people who like to cut their dicks off, there are people that like to put their dicks in guys butts.

queer theory and gender ideology are leftist social engineering INCOMPATIBLE with western civilisation. Their explicit goals include destroying the family and abolishing the age of consent. Even now, our children are getting this ideology shoved down their throats courtesy of leftists and the federal government. This is not a choice, I repeat, not a choice, but a leftist and postmodern ideology aimed at subverting society.

>>9898488
Invented by the Jews as well. This is really something that we need to redpill people on. Through Foucault's queer theory, they are trying to turn the white man gay and thus forcing women to breed with apes

>>9898496
Shit son, paranoid much?

>>9898527
Try the redpill, brainwashed moron

>>9897603
>Is there any philosophy more useless and baseless than postmodernsim?
yes, modernism

Scholasticism

>>9898637
This.

What both Scholasticism and post-modernism have in common is that they are philosophies perverted for political reason. The whole point of Scholasticism was to conciliate Christian religion with Greek and Roman philosophy. The whole point of post-modernism is to salvage the legacy of Marxism from the wreckage of the Soviet Union.

None of them were concerned with truth.

>>9897603
>How could gender roles have developed so consistently throughout history

This is something that isn't really true but in order to qualify this statement you'd need to do some historical and anthropological digging i.e. become a postmodernist.

Also it would pay to be more accurate in your wording but to be aware of how writing can be misconstrued or even dangerous you'd have to acknowledge the legitimacy of postmodern thoughts regarding language.

>>9898488
Down with the monarchy! Louis XVI is an incompetent ass! The aristocracy undermine Western values and civilization by wet-nursing their children. Their art is hypersexualised and decadent!

>>9897603
idealism

>>9898688
A very postmodern argument.

>>9898702
I'm fucking fed up with clapping at the opera too. Fucking Austrians coming over here and stealing our bloodline.

>>9898703
As a project, one could call postmodernism nothing more than an ideal

>>9897603
the neo-scholasticism of contemporary analytic philosophy

>>9898688
>The whole point of post-modernism is to salvage the legacy of Marxism from the wreckage of the Soviet Union.
Anon, what the fuck kind of translation did you read of Heidegger?

>>9898716
It's literally the exact opposite. Postmodernism is concerned with what 'is' rather than ideal states.

>>9898716
>the ontic is the _real_ theological ontology srsly guys
gtfo kys qq

>>9898727
And it fails miserably.

>>9898738
>being concerned with existence has failed
Pretty sure it's still going bro

>>9898738
Really? It has been the main paradigm of thought for 50 years and even survived the 'science wars' of the 90s. I would say it's pretty successful regardless of the straw men.

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>>9898727
postmodernism was a product of a complacent and overfed liberal order that is now crumbling at an accelerating rate.

Benjamin>>>Derrida, anyways

>>9897603
>philosophy
>postmodernism
The fact that you think one of these fits the category of the other demonstrates just how 18 you are. Please leave.

>>9897603
foucault was actually a self described 'classical liberal' like milo and sargon of akkad.

>>9898765
Philosophy isn't a popularity contest. In any case, I would say that you're measuring it on the wrong scale. Think hundreds of years, not the last century.

>>9898793
I don't know what you're arguing if you think it is unsuccessful despite its success. Is there some postmodernist who has failed to not make postmodernism idealist? Who?

>>9898702
Republican curr I'll see you executed for the atrocities you visited upon my maman in the Vendee. The Catholic and Royal Armies will triumph over your godless, revolutionary dictatorship!

>>9897603
>Is there any philosophy more useless and baseless than postmodernsim?
pessimism via german idealism is pretty useless and metaphysically vague.

>>9897603
I can't help but be triggered at how much people misunderstand post-modernism.

Arguably, it is inherently apolitical, as you could use tools that were essentially developed by post-modernists to deconstruct liberal and/or progressive principles.

Is po-mo destructive? Yep. But you can use it as a tool for your own retarded political missions. The fact that a bunch of extreme progressives perverted it and used it for their own cause just means that they're ahead of you in the game, for the most part.

In any case, we should become Accelerationists or deeply religious/spiritual. In reality, that's the only thing we can do after what post-modernism caused.

I don't think yiu understand what pomo is OP.

post modernist think that child cant consent to sex but can consent to changing their sex, it's a flippery flop with zero merit to it as it assumes social constrcuts are negative

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>>9898716
Postmodernism is not a singukar coherent philosophy you dense cunts. Go back to JBP YouTube comment sections from whence you came.

I think the word your looking for is "post-structuralism", but even then you're utterly clueless as to what the fuck you're actually talking about

>muh STEMshit
Biology is for children

>100 years of "post modernism progress"
>leftists are now confused about which bathroom to use.

truly, great ideology.

>>9898488
>le west is good becuz i sed so
Age of consent is a disgusting notion that separated me from my beloved for too long.

>>9899976
What in fucks name are you babbling about

I want to ask you a question
Are you getting your idea about what postmodernism is from one singular person who fed you this definition?

>>9899983
Again, where are you getting this idea that bathrooms and leftists are in any way actually mentioned or involved with postmodernism? Who told you this?

>>9899989
Leftist are the one regurgitating this garbage and now they call their physical parts social constructs. It's pure ideology for the mentally ill, 7.62 mm is the best solution much like against communism.

You really just look like a bunch of retards when you condense movements as complex and multifaceted as postmodernism into bogeyman representations of things you don't like.

>>9900000
nice pents

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>>9900000
quints of truth

>>9900000
:^)

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>>9900000
>bogeymen representations
bogey implies it isn't true, but fiction, but this degeneracy is true.

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>>9900026
How long will it take us to get to the big >>10000000?

>>9999999
Nice septs, future anon.

>>9900019
Explain the relationship between that degeneracy and postmodernism. How are you saying postmodernism led to that?

>>9900041
Foucault's deconstruction of social constructs appropriated by cultural marxists as a tool to destroy Western culture.

>>9900019
The figure in the middle is just a man with a boner. It's saying that sex and masturbation is fine. Based on that direction, it looks to be specifically promoting sodomy. At least complain about that.

>>9900047
>western culture is good becuz i sed so

>>9900034
let's see
>>9900000
>>9800000

>>9900057
You are free to go to central asia or China if you think Western culture isn't the best of them all.

>>9900064
hurr durr
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>>9900047
Ok but how though? How are you understanding social constructionism? If you understand it you must know the idea of degeneracy itself isn't subsistent. Where are your values coming from? Who are the cultural marxists that took the idea? What does marxism have to do with it? What do you think there was to gain from asserting this movement purely from an ideological angle?

>>9900034
>>9900074
at the post-rate of the last five days, it will take about 8 months

>>9900065
Bad meme.

>>9900065
IF Y DUN LIEK IT Y CN GEIT OWT! *unzips dick*

>>9899976
Postmodernists think children can consent to sex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

>>9900122
>they cant becuz i sed so

>>9900130
What?

>>9900122
>he doesnt read the greeks
>he doesn't read romans
>he doesn't read the old testament

>>9900131
Children can consent. The notion that consent is limited to some meme range is nonsense. 'consent' as a whole shouldn't even be relevant. You lame memers separate families. You caused irreparable rifts between my beloved and I.

>>9898488
western civilization is built on fucking tiny little boys you idiot

>>9900141
Like the post said, postmodernists think children CAN consent.

>>9900144
Why is that wrong? You yourself are more of a postmodernist than I.

>>9900155
because children are fucking retards that don't understand what they're agreeing to, as well as having no life experience to know whether or not they're getting taken advantage of by an autistic adult

>>9900155
I didn't say it was wrong, I was just correcting the dude who thinks postmodernism is somehow hypocritical because of supposed conflicting stances on children and consent.

Should we really pretend that the Age of Consent Laws controversy actually describes postmodernism? For fuck's sake, what does that have to do with Lyotard, Deleuze and Rorty? Fucking nothing.
This criticism is as ridicolous as someone dismissing Kant's philosophy on the ground of him being socially inept. Pathetic.

>>9899995
You dodged the question. What's this have to do with postmodernism as a whole?

>>9900161
Not an argument, statist.

>>9900169
its rhetoric
>all postmodernists are pedos!
>and we can all agree that pedos are evil!

>>9900177
you dont need the government to know that fucking children is degenerate and a sign of severe mental illness

>>9900047
Have you ever read Foucalt? You know derrida is associated with deconstruction, right? Do you not think that Foucaltian ideas could be applied to conservative politics?

>>9900182
>THINGS I DONT LIKE ARE BAD!
Stay impotent. One of has a stable family and young daughter, the other is a NEET whining about DUHJENNYRUSSY inbetween masturbating to MLP (the series, not even pornography) and loli (they're not REAL children!)

>>9900079
I appreciate this post style - press all and any pseud /pol/emics on the details of their arguments - and hard. Ask them to explain the underlying mechanisms and paths of their points. Require definitions be given of the terms they use and the scapegoat bogeymen they summon.

Of course, none of them read jack shit, so they'll flounder.


With vigilance, this board could cease to be a supportive or enjoyable environment for them. Drive them out. Take /lit/ back.

>>9900141
Let's put it this way: there may teenagers or children who could consent. Maybe they exist.
The problem is that they are an exception, and no one can ever predict the long term damages one can do to a child by subjecting to such an experience. Even if they child seems to consent, you genuinely do not know what will this do to him psychologically, and how much it will fuck him/her up in the next 30 years.

Since it's such an absurd gamble, people have decided to set an arbitrary age of consent, which should do the trick for most people. Virtually everyone is mature enough to have sex at that age, and the risk of actual trauma is lessened considerably.

Doesn't that sound like a nice deal?

>>9900191
you write like an autist

>>9900200
>an exception
Not an argument. I've heard your lame rhetoric so many times.
Eat shit, statist.
>>9900207
Better to write like one than actually be one like (you)

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>>9900000
QUINTS OF TRUTH

>>9900209
says the guy who literally fucks kids

>>9900222
>kids
She was 13 when we started dating and no sex happened (because of your disgusting laws) ;^)
So you're wrong on both accounts ;^)
btw (you)'re gay and have AUTISM

>>9900079
Lets all answer retarded /pol/ users this way

>>9900230
>13
so barely pubescent and with a half-developed brain
what a catch man

>>9900239
>barely pubescent
Wrong and that isn't a bad thing
>half-developed brain
Lame STEMsperger meme. More 'mature' than you, 'spergy.

>>9900241
brain development is a meme?
so i guess fucking babies is on the table too now?

>>9900252
No, they aren't attractive, nearly as fun to be around, and you can't dress them up because they flail too much.
Brain development is a nonissue. What part of that bothers you, 'sperger? What is with the Ressentiment?

>>9900239
>liking old hags
Absolutely disgusting. Enjoy your cellulite on cellulite on cellulite on sag and wrinkles.

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>>9900079
>how though?
How, if not the American reception of post-modern philosophers?
>How are you understanding social constructionism?
Social constructionist metatheory allows that any coherent epistemology must be self-reflexive, but, while it denies that any assertion can be true, and that there are any independent realities to be referred to, it nevertheless treats discourse as having objective existence, and assumes that its own statements about discourse are true. Thus, in asserting its own basic premise, it contradicts it.
>If you understand it you must know the idea of degeneracy itself isn't subsistent. Any problem with this?
Why would I, when social constructionism isn't subsistent? As Aristotle put it: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
>Where are your values coming from?
Requires further linguistic and evolutionary investigations, my provisional answer would be "survival (working title)." But why should we act like we know anyway?
>Who are the cultural marxists that took the idea?
Laclau, Alinsky, social activists that are Laclau or Alinsky, social activists that read Laclau and/or Alinsky?
>What does marxism have to do with it?
Will you deny that, influence-wise, Marx gives to the French and Italian post-moderns and the post-moderns give back to marxists, neo-marxists, post-marxists, something-marxists? Why?
>What do you think there was to gain from asserting this movement purely from an ideological angle?
Won't you see any value in the history of philosophy?

>smelly dumb teleiophile /pol/ scum hops the thread because he can't handle that a FUGGIN DEEJENNYRUT has a better life than him
expected of breasts...

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>>9900135
>Old Testament
>Valuable source for philosophy
>Using OT to critique post-modernist ideology

>>9900312
>it nevertheless treats discourse as having objective existence, and assumes that its own statements about discourse are true. Thus, in asserting its own basic premise, it contradicts it.

No, the discourse isn't independent of the discourse.

>>>/out/

>>9900469
Stupid frogposter

Is post-modernism deconstructing itself a paradox?

>>9900684
no, that's just post-structuralism.

>>9900169
To be fair, that's /lit/ trying to meet /pol/ half way and find some truth in their argument. Probably by "postmodernists" they mean "Harry Potter readers who claim to have read Beauvoir"

Beauvoir does follow in the Heideggerean strain of postmodernism, and hews more closely to it than other Frenchies SJWs might be able to name. Derrida himself didn't want to be defined as postmodernist or poststructuralist or whatever.

A lot of the French postmodernist front was sexually perverse, but it's not in a way that the Harry Potter fans are at all. Let's not pretend that original perversity wasn't part of the scene, because it makes it easier to revise the history and say that really Beauvoir acted like a modern Harry Potter demisexual whatever. She didn't, and while she was a more evil person, she was a more competent postmodernist too who probably would have told half those tumblrites to get a fucking job.

The problem with that compromise is that /lit/ knows damn well that no SJW can understand Heidegger even as poorly as Sartre, so there's no way those Harry Potter fans have read her. They claim her as an influence, but if she were, they wouldn't be taking away our loli.

>>9900186
Could be; is not. Advocating Weimar-tier degeneracy is the way of the left and post-modernism. Social constructs are net positive for the West, in the West.

>>9900079
>>9900079
>How.
Lets not play obtuse leftypol, we know all how it is done.

That post-modern (diversity/multiculturalism) narratives seeks to implement cultural Marxist objectives can be demonstrated by reference to founding Frankfurt School theorist Herbert Marcuse's repurposing of the term tolerance.

In a 1965 ~ Marcuse defined tolerance as intolerance; said it can be implemented through undemocratic means to stop chauvinism (xenophobia), racism, discrimination; and should be extended to the left while denied to the right:

>"The realization of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions, and
the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed."

>"Surely, no government can be expected to foster its own subversion, but in a democracy such a right is vested in the
people (i.e. in the majority of the people). This means that the ways should not be blocked on which a subversive majority
could develop, and if they are blocked by organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently
undemocratic means. They would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from groups and
movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination on the grounds of race and religion,
or which oppose the extension of public services, social security, medical care, etc."

>"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from
the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion
and propaganda, of deed as well as of word."

It is through such post-modern constructs that interoperable narratives are established among various left-wing groups as well as between them and Isla mist groups at all levels. For example, from the 2001 Conference of Foreign Ministers at Bamako, Mali, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) declared its commitment to fight racism and xenophobia and then declared lslamophobia a "contemporary form of racism"

>In this context, the World Conference urges all states ... take all necessary measures to combat hatred, discrimination, intolerance
and acts of violence, intimidation and coercion motivated by racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance
particularly against Islam
>Racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance which display an increasing trend, in their most subtle and
contemporary forms, constitute a violation of human rights. 3. Contemporary forms of racism are based on discrimination and
disparagement on a cultural, rather than biological basis. In this content, the increasing trend of lslamophobia, as a distinct form of
xenophobia in non-Muslim societies is very alarming.

>>9900809
can't tell if pasta or legit autism

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>>9900489
So we shouldn't assume its truth? Good riddance, then. Time to forget Foucault, as Baudrillard put it.

>>9900809

>an Islamic organization committed to identifying and denouncing violence and defamation against Muslims is actually a Cultural Marxist psy-op cell because it... identifies and denounces violence and defamation directed at Muslims

Sleuthy.

>>9898784
Literally none of them are classical liberals.

>>9901770
oh and what are they you neoliberal shill? nazis? get your fucking gatekeeping out of here.

>>9898793
are you docking point from postmodernism for not existing for long enough? how can that lead to a conclusion of failure?

you're actually just dumb

>How could humanity exist without some sort of biological determinism?

How could humanity exist without some sort of boobahdeedaa?

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>>9898488
>those 88 dubs

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>>9897603
>be Foucault
>born in a rich family
>daddy issues
>support commies
>be a fag
>go to SF
>get your neghole pozzed at a gay bar
>die of AIDS
What a great man.

>>9897603
>How could gender roles have developed so consistently throughout history

They haven't. This is a meme for imbeciles.

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>>9898488
>Their explicit goals include destroying the family and abolishing the age of consent.

Wew

>>9898496
>redpill

Your entire identity is laughable.

>>9898688
>salvage the legacy of Marxism from the wreckage of the Soviet Union.

Why do I smell Jordan Peterson on this dumbass statement?

>>9899995
>and now they call their physical parts social constructs.

I am a leftist and believe in the power of my phallic icon, the penis.

Btw, what in the fuck does any of this have to do with Derrida?

>>9900019
>this degeneracy is true.

The real degeneracy is your policing of people's bathroom habits you weirdo.

>>9902169
>destroying cultural values and institutions isn't degeneracy, enforcing them is
what did he mean by this

>>9902182
doubleplusungood

>>9902128
Says man whose whole identity revolves around literally getting fucked in the ass.

>>9900725
SJWs have ruined sexual depravity by reducing it to cringy virtue signalling. Being straight and monogamous is literally the last transgressive thing you can do

>>9902253
>believing this

>>9897603
Positivism and logicisism (or whathever you want to call that awful obsession with logic and formalism)

>Virgin pseudo-thinker
>Tries to surpass Chad experimental scientist
>muh methodical thinking and formal logic
>Göedel cucks him

>>9900986
It's both