Is this a great poem?

>Ovid masturbating about his knowledge of Greek/Roman mythology
gosh, that's a dumb theory

It's good. It's a lot of fun. you should go for it

>>9869456
its good

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>salmacis will never assault you

>>9869456
It's the greatest poem ever written.

Isn't this poem pretty much the most influential piece of literature to Shakespeare?

>>9869531
Pretty sure this and the Geneva Bible are the only things he actually read

>>9869549
Plutarch and Chaucer too

this is off topic but has to do with Roman poetry

is it true that Vergil's Aeneid is a rip off of Homer's two epics?

>>9869564
It's not a ripoff, he builds off of Homer's epics and begins after the fall of Troy, and describes the journey of Rome's foundation by the survivors of Troy

>>9869571
also its important to know that "Homer" whoever he was might not of been a single person and that the Illiad and Odyssey are products of thousands of years of oral tradition


while the Aeneid, as far as we know, is the product of Vergil (about 11 years it took for him to write it)

>>9869456
To be quite honest: you may argue about Ovid's language (which is great) - nevertheless, the structure is really repetetive and boring.

>>9869571
I have heard some people negatively call the Aeneid a fanfiction to the Illiad/odyssey

>>9869578
>also its important to know that "Homer" whoever he was might not of been a single person
I disagree with this, just from the fact that all surviving Greek works quote him as a single person. You may, however, argue that The Iliad and The Odyssey are not uniquely Homer's works, the ones we know of being only his telling of traditional poems.

>>9869586
Some people just see it as a nationalistic fanfiction written to give Romans an epic history.

>>9869594
It just seems like many people have this idea that the Romans were simply the inferior versions of the Greeks when it came to any field, poetry, math, science etc.

>>9869588
Essentially. There are parts of his writing which point to it coming directly from the oral tradition which was undoubtedly there before him. He was just the first guy to write it all down.

is there any intellectual field where Romans were better developed in than the Greeks?

>>9869456
It's really good. Some of it is lost on us though, because Latin has much less restrictive rules about what order words are supposed to go in, so Ovid does some crazy things it sentence structure that can't really be translated. It's good stuff nonetheless though.

>>9869744
The Greeks were actually generally bad at practical sciences like mechanics and engineering (architecture getting a pass because it can be viewed as art). They saw these as lesser sciences and did not think them worthy of pursuing. So they lagged behind other countries in areas like agriculture and relied heavily on slave labor and trading.

>>9869744
Engineering, city management, laws, oration, government and theology/organized religion. All those are "intellectual" pursuits. They definitely lack in original philosophy, art, and math however.

>>9869588
Go to bed, Kripke.

>>9869797
whose kripke?

>>9869801
(((Kripke))) is an autistic philosopher and logician, who developed one of the so-called "causal theory of reference", which has been extremely influential on contemporary philosophy and to some extent, linguistic and logical theory. He comes up a lot in philosophy, linguistics, cognitive science, and some areas of math.

>>9869558
plutarch is great

>>9869549
>>9869549
Nah, he read a bunch of stuff. He had good knowledge of Chaucer, Plutarch, Holinshed, and a bunch of Italian poetry

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>a fucking roach

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>>9869586
They're brainlets.

>>9869578
>while the Aeneid, as far as we know, is the product of Vergil (about 11 years it took for him to write it)
Nope, the myth of Aeneas carrying Anchises on his back is much older.

>>9869836
Is Kripke smart though?

>>9869654
No he wasn't, idiot. Homer couldn't write. They were either transcribed by someone else whom he recited to, or they survived through retelling by other travelling poets until transcribed by someone else.

>>9869952
They are his words, merely written by somebody else. That makes him the author. Do you call the computer the author if you use speech-recognition software to write a story?

>>9869456
Both. It really is worth reading.

>>9870201
will do

>>9869564
Virgil actually wanted his manuscript destroyed before he died but people decided to ignore his wish and published it anyway. The Aeneid heavily builds upon the Iliad and Odyssey just in reverse order. The first part is pretty much the Odyssey and the second part the Iliad. Also the ending seems rushed and not that well put together, probably because Virgil died before finishing it properly.

It's really good ! First fanfiction ever

>>9870521
>he hasn't read Theogony
Leave (you) pleb

>>9870538
The Dionysiaca is basically a fan fic also.

>>9869906
I'd say so, anon.