I want to sort myself out more /lit/

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Beat it, kid.

>>9868842
Wow, he's fallen for all the spooks. The greatest spook you must vanquish is your shame.

>>9868842
Kant, Fichte, Schelling, Hegel, then Schelling again.

Why do you people always blame your shortcomings on your dads?

>>9868898
I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU, OKAY!?

>>9868898
I wasn't, I guess I should of said nihilistic and passive figures I looked up to instead of father figures, thought it was the same thing.

does peterson know he's a self-help guru to millenial manchildren?

or does he still view himself as an academic?

>>9868842
follow this guide to sort yourself out:
- go to bed at 10 pm and wake up at 5 am.
- no screens (TV, phone) two hours before you go to bed.
- meet new people who share your interests

>>9868898
Baby Boomers are the direct cause of essentially all problems Millenials face as a generation, but for some reason the Baby Boomers despise the millenials for it.

>tfw you're a 28 year old man child and Peterson says it's too late to sort yourself out and you are an abomination for everyone else to observe
>tfw you can't sort yourself out even if you wanted to because that would entail choosing to become something and you don't want to becoming anything implies not being everything
>tfw you are too intelligent to becoming something because everything is absurd

>>9869000

You need some pussy.

>>9869039

Yes of course but that's like a chicken and the egg argument.
Which comes first, sorting yourself out, and then pussy?
Or pussy, and then sorting yourself out?

>>9869000
It's never too late. You will suffer from doing it.

>>9868842
If you're going to read the Bible, you may as well go all the way.
>Study Bibles (NRSV and KJV)
>Study Quran
>Bhagavad Gita
>Tao Te Ching
>Teachings of the Buddha
>Myths of Mesopotamia, including Enuma Elish and Epic of Gilgamesh
>Iliad and Odyssey, also Theogony and Metamorphoses, maybe the Aeneid
>History of Religious Ideas

>>9869000
Imagine being such a brainlet that you listen to someone who says "don't believe everything you hear" and then immediately believe everything he says as invariably true

>>9868898
My dad always blamed his problems on his dad so I learned it from him.

>>9869079

>imagine being such a brainlet that you have to knock down strawmen to get your "i'm a big boy intellectual" dopamine hit on a mongolian mail bride messaging service

>>9869055
He means pussy cat, dude. You get them at any pet store around...

>>9868842
>Thinking about reading The Bible

Don't. As someone who's read both testaments, its a huge waste of time for self help purposes. If anything read meditations but even then, don't assume that any of these antiquated books are superior and more relevant today than modern self help books just because they are 'le so ancient and wisdomy'.

I cleaned my room, finished school, got a job, and got married.

Life is still pointless and I still hate myself and every day is miserable drudgery. Now what?

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>>9869159
>falling for the old traditional life meme

>>9869159
>I cleaned my room, finished school, got a job, and got married.
did you do these things out of genuine interest and because you saw a benefit in doing them or because people told you to?

>>9869203
If i only did the things I'm genuinely interested in I'd be dead in a week

>>9869159
You've done all of that because you wanted to fit in, to appear normal, to satisfy your parents, all while ignoring your inner self and now it is suffering inside of you, roughly speaking. It's fine if your don't want to have a wife/children. That doesn't make you a cuck, no matter what others tell you.

>>9869203
I have a genuine interest in some of those things.

But I got a job so I don't starve.

>>9869159
Change what you hate about yourself faggot

>>9868977
No.

>>9869264
If I could do that, I wouldn't hate myself.

>>9869239
so you're a genuine idiot

>>9869159
>muh existential dread

oh boo fucking hoo

>>9868842
>what a young man should know
What you need isn't in books. It's in church.

Well we do inherit a lot of our bullshit from our parents. The problem is putting the blame on them and then thinking you've overcome it in doing so. You still have to take responsibility for yourself.

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>>9868842
>sort yourself out
Then you should start caring about setting standards on the ideas that will enter your stream of consciousness. This includes obvious charlatans, like Peterson, who are a good aource only for absolute plebs who still have not made their first step. You have done so, which means that from now virtually every book you'll read will be more worthwhile than listening to JP.

If you're interested in his ideas, look into his sources. As a golden rule, avoid all the pseudo-intellectuals that are meme's on /lit/, and if you still want to give them a try, read their books and avoid youtube videos, for on youtube and 4chan what always wins is not substance, but charisma and edginess.
Again
>So far I've really like Devils by Dostoevsky with his onslaught on nihilism and Extreme Ownership written by two veterans, teaching you to take complete responsibility of your actions.
Stop being such a fucking meme and read worthwhile books, and analyze and contemplate them from YOUR point of view. I mean, do you even realize how much of an heresy it is to read Dostoevsky and apply everything he says to fucking Peterson's narratives? You may have to reread the books you've written, do so only once you'll have understood how much of a retard Kermit is.

>>9868842
unironically: start with the Greeks

>>9868842
>Recommend a 19 year old some books that teach what a young man should know, growing up with a passive and nihilistic father figure.
There's nothing you should know, and most of what Peterson says has no universal significance, it's mostly pragmatic advices that, in his case, lead to a more serene life. Although he says otherwise, he is an hardcore Nietzscheian and Jungian: to him ideas and concepts are just beautiful lies that make life easier.
Of course he will present them in an authoritative manner, pretending that they are the absolute truth, but this happens only because he, just like Jung and Nietzsche, wanted other people to believe in those ideas.
So there's my advice: grow some balls and try to understand the scope of your feelings and attitudes. Be more introspective, do not take ANYTHING at face value (but so not be excessively dismissal either, read the Gay Science by Nietzsche to see how nihilism can be approached jovially), realize that no one will most likely help you (which means that most of the work is on you), and that laziness is a spook, and generally not a justification.
Since you're interested in JP, drop him and keep reading Dostoevskij instead. Read the Bible, but not by yourself. Read the SEP articles for the Greeks, Spinoza, Descartes ans Lant, then read Nietzsche.
In all of this, forget everything Peterson tols you about these authors. He is a very bad reader, and analyze everything from his very specific ideological point of view, which is not even systematic, meaning that it can't be applied outside of itself, nor it is versatile enough to do so in the first place. Seriously, forget all of it: it's worthless.

Do not start with the Greeks, for they require nuance to be understood. Most Greek philosophy readers here will just end up being edgy LARPers pretending to have figured out virtue, or to know the first thing about Plato (while also not knowing that his philosophy is based on secret doctrines).
Universities are a good place to study them: the experience will be humbling, which is the mindset required to read them. It's a fine balance: skepticism has to be costantly applied, but if you do so too much you'll end up missing on a vast wealth of priceless insights. Follow courses if you live in Europe, if you live in the US I guess you're fucked.
Read the Bible with an actual theologian or priest (there are countless similar initiatives everywhere in the Europe and the US). Again, avoid JP when reading the Bible.

That's it.

>>9869655
>just read the bible with a priest and you're all set

kek

they fuck you up, your mum and dad
they may not mean to but they do

>>9869713
I've said theologians first, which implied that if you're going with a priest you should check for his reputation in theological understanding first,

But no, let's listen to Jordan Peterson's lectures instead.

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>>9868875
>>9868898
>>9869582
>>9869655
Thanks for being there to call me out on some of my shit. I'll take some things to heart and practice them, others not so much.

>>9869591
>>9869591
>>9869591

>>9869746
What are the things you're choosing not to care about?

>>9869000
>I'm too smart to change my life.
Oh, well, that's convenient.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/12/this_is_not_a_narcissistic_inj.html

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>>9869177
>>9868875
>Implying inter generation wisdom ought not to be followed just because some autist tried to intellectually justify egocentrism
Stirner is the real spook t b h

>>9869582
>Fuck Peterson
>Just do your own thing and don't read other people's critiques of recognized works
>Just be an eternal contrarian like me
Very bad advice t b h

>>9869793
>Fuck Peterson
I stand by it.
>Just do your own thing and don't read other
people's critiques of recognized works
I have said to avoid charlatans, I have said nothing about secondary literature
>>Just be an eternal contrarian like me
Avoiding youtube talking heads that get credit only in intelletctual wasteland such as reddit, youtube and 4chan does not equal being eternal contrarians. It just means that you have some standards.

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>>9869805
>Peterson is only renowned because people like him and what he has to say
>This is a bad thing
M8...

>>9869810
More like
>the only people who like Peterson are uneducated edgy NEET manchildren

>>9869766
I'm still going to listen to JP a bit, he has had a positive impact on my life in the following year turning me more away from a soul sucking, nihilistic world and also turning me completely away from /pol/ and their ways on how they need to change the world while I really need to change myself first.

>>9869816
>I don't like x intellectual therefore anyone who does like him is y,z childish ad hominems
M8...

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>>9869834
>Da joos did it

>>9869826
>everyone's ignorance is the same
Regardless, after he will have read Nietzsche, Dostoevsky and Jung, what will Peterson be him? A non-entity, a child who tries to play with adults, failing miserably.

>>9869821
Read Nietzsche then, and again, forget what JP had to say about it: you're not going to read every book from his point of view, aren't you?
If you're interested about what he has to tell about spirituality read Jung.
If you're interested about what he has to say about man being morphed by his context, keep reading Dostoevsky and see what a man is capable of.

Again, you've read Devils and this is what you had to say
>So far I've really like Devils by Dostoevsky with his onslaught on nihilism and Extreme Ownership written by two veterans, teaching you to take complete responsibility of your actions.
That's as if I started rambling about surplus value, postcolonialism and microaggression while talking about Brothers Karamazov. You have to realize that at the moment you are a walking meme, and this is due to the fact that your only source of culture is Jordan Peterson.

>>9869582
being >that guy

Do you npcs just sit in stasis before the threads are posted then spawn on creation?

>>9869855
If you're trying to discredit the objective reality that jews hold disproportionate power and are using it to attack and displace white people, posting Codreanu quotes probably isn't the best way to go about it.

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>>9869856
>A non-entity, a child who tries to play with adults, failing miserably.
M8 any of the videos you have seen of him are either his intro classes and videos intentionally simplified to get people interested in his ethos. The entire point of JP's youtube is to get people interested in Jung, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, the Bible, etc

>>9868974
Unironically, this might be the best advice ITT.

Although the changes seem simple, they have a large and complex effect, both because they require significant changes to implement and because they will create a cascade of other changes once implemented.

For example, let's look at the sleep issue, which the first two points address.

Sleeping early means you're less likely to waste time and in part, your health, doing things that people normally stay up to do: go out to nightclubs, drinking, staying up to do work, "pull all-nighters" etc.

Waking early gives you additional time in the morning, when people are generally still asleep. This kind of quiet time can be used for exercise, meditation, creative work, cooking breakfast, even just taking a walk. More importantly, waking with the sunrise is ingrained in our biology and has measurable effects on overall health and hormonal balance.

Getting rid of screens before bedtime has the obvious and well-researched effect of promoting proper sleep hygiene and consistent bedtimes. There's also the question of what to do with those two hours away from the screen? Since this is /lit/, reading literature comes to mind. Chatting with your family and friends (without a screen in between) is another option. The time can also be used for prayer, meditation, self-reflection, maintaining a journal, exercise, creative work--pretty much all the things we tell ourselves we don't have time for.

A lack of adequate sleep may be the main reason why people are so out of balance these days, mentally and physically. I really believe that this one change causes a cascade that leads to a substantially better life.

>>9869791
one of the worst posts ive ever seen on /lit/

>>9869967
Wasn't that my original point?
Here's what I've said:
>This includes obvious charlatans, like Peterson, who are a good aource only for absolute plebs who still have not made their first step.
And then
>If you're interested in his ideas, look into his sources
It looks like you agree with me.

>>9869871
A guy asked for life advices while using Peterson's jargon. I've adviced him to read the authors Peterson references instead, and to avoid giving too much weight to 4chan pseudo-intellectuals. Is there anything wrong with it?

>>9870072
>Is there anything wrong with it?
You are still to realize you yourself are the real pseudo-intellectual

>>9870072
Except Peterson isn't a pleb, you're a pleb for assuming that the project Peterson intentionally started to get people interested in his ethos is all he is lmao

>>9870127
You are triggered, it's showing. I mean, this lack of arguments is very telling.

>>9870048
One of the most pseud posts I've ever seen on /lit/

>>9870270
Oh, the delusion? Don't worry, at some point you'll understand that Peterson to you is just a surrogate internet daddy, and that as an intellectual he is worthless. The day will come, again, don't worry.

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>>9870277
>Don't worry, at some point you'll understand that Peterson to you is just a surrogate internet daddy,
I wonder if you're even smart enough to understand what this picture means. I don't watch Peterson because he isn't interesting at all to me and the videos he puts out are meant to be very basic.

The fact that you feel the need to.place yourself above introductory level videos made by a renowned college professor is pretty telling of your psychology though.

THAT FEELING WHEN NO DR. JORDAN B. PETERSON ARCHETYPE DAD TO REDPILL YOU ON DOMINANCE HIERARCHIES WHEN YOU ARE A CHILD AND STILL YOUNG ENOUGH TO SORT YOURSELF OUT

>>9870375
>The fact that you feel the need to.place yourself above introductory level videos made by a renowned college professor is pretty telling of your psychology though.
The vast majority of his videos are about points that are outside of his field of expertise.
Also you seem to agree with me. You think that Peterson's contents are at a pretty basic level. I think so too, in fact I've told that anon to read the authors he references instead.
Ultimately, since you seem to understand that his contents are meant to be experience by completely uneducated amateurs, why do you think people should try to identify and accept said contents? If someone knows enough to know that Peterson is clueless about philosophy, mythology and literature, why would that someone
a) waste time with JP
b) tell to other people to read him and care about his opinion?

anyone arguing in favor of this dweeb needs to quit posting. your "renowned college professor" is a dilettante and a fraud. all this time spent on fucking youtube personalities could be spent reading actual literature.

>>9869000

>Peterson says it's too late to sort yourself out

Not one fucking time has he said that

>>9870454
>m-my daddy would never say that!!!!

>>9870427
>Peterson is clueless about philosophy, mythology and literature,

That's the disconnect you egocentric moron, Peterson > (You), the entire point of his YouTube is to get young people interested in philisophy, you're not more intelligent than him just because you're above his intro level discourse lmao the sheer amount of delusions of grandeur you have is nearly screencap worthy

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>>9870483
>Stop liking things I don't like
>How dare other people become interested in philisophy through e celebs making simplified content
Cancer. Pure cancer

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>>9870483

So you're saying that if I call you out on your bullshit that means I'm clearly worshiping a surrogate father figure. Seems legit

>>9870485
Peterson is probably a smart person, but we are not talking about him: we are talking about his contents.
Now, you have recognized them as extremely basic, and you have already stated that they are not education in themselves, rather they only offer the motivation to pursue education.
Now, thisnis compatible with my advice: drop the self-help contents and read the aithors and philosophers that aee behind Peterson's simplified ideas.
Again, you are agreeing with me, you're just mad that I have no respect for Peterson.

>>9870495
>Why are you not respecting me for being a pleb!!!!
>I'm reading YA books! Why are you dismissing my opinion on literature???

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>>9870520
>We're just talking about Peterson's content
>Not Peterson
>If someone knows enough to know that Peterson is clueless about philosophy, mythology and literature,
Sure about that m8? You seem pretty focused on argumentum ad hominem to me , and you're just desperately trying to salvage this.
>I'm mad
No, I'd have to say thats you.

>>9870532
It's pretty obvious your a pleb if you don't even know how to engage in proper discourses on logic which doesn't involve dismissing arguments on the character of those giving them lmao.
>I'm an intellectual
Lmao you're a pseud who wants to seem intellectual but has to flex his muscles on newbies to stay relevant.

>>9870520

The problem with calling Peterson a pleb/pseud/charlatan/whatever is the implication that you yourself are in a position to discern such a thing, which if I'm honest to god being totally unbiased is rather doubtful.
Peterson's content is for the most part on the level of the courses he teaches, which in other words is sophomore-junior level university undergraduate. That's his usual audience and that's generally whom he is addressing. For you to call ideas on this level "simplified" and for me to take you seriously I'm gonna need to see some display of more potent examinations, because right now it kind of sounds like you're just basking in the glow of the computer screen trying to snipe down anyone who says anything or even bothers trying to actually exist.

If you go to any Peterson thread none of his ideas actually ever even get discussed for any length of time because one shill inevitably marches in, posts a drive-by pasta about how he's a pseud, and then the thread turns into talking about whether or not he's a pseud instead of what he actually says.
Every time.

Peterson said if you haven't sorted yourself out by 30 it's bad but too late, by 40 it's the point of no rrtjrb
>tfw 30 in a few months, crippled with existential anxiety NEET

>>9869856
>be skeptical, don't listen to JPs bullshit
>trust me and follow all advice about who to listen to and who to not listen to, after all, I'm an anonymous nobody with no credentials who should be taken very, very seriously

OP, just thirst for knowledge and take in as many perspectives as possible. Enjoy JP, really see the world from his eyes, then do the same with other thinkers, just keep going. Don't get stuck for too long with any one perspective before opening yourself to others. Have fun while you do it. Keep pushing yourself forward but don't take it all too seriously. You will know the Gods by their cheerfulness.

>>9869791
Pic is wrong, Stirner isn't a normative egoist, nor does he imply exploitation is wrong.

>>9870815
What? A lot of people never found their way until their 40s bruh.

>>9870914
Just read how the fuck he is reading Dostoevsky. Of course he should stop listening to Peterson.

>>9869791
wtf is this image....................

>>9870914
>You will know the Gods by their cheerfulness.
>Implying fools don't cheer the loudest.

>>9871011
The fool is God, anon.

>>9871001
You're legitimately evaluating the quality of that reading from... What, anon?

>>9869288
Yeah lmao I don't know if he thought that line was clever but he just sold himself out

>>9869275
Wow you faggots are the worst. You don't magically cultivate willpower you fucks. You just literally have to get up and do whatever it is you want. You don't sit in bed you just get up and do the fucking thing. Jesus Christ

>>9869055
there is no chicken and egg argument. you sort yourself out. then you get pussy.

OR more accurately: you sort yourself out, you realize that pursuing women purely for physical relationships is suboptimal, then you form an actual loving relationship with a female, then you get pussy.

>>9868898
I don't "blame" anyone. I attribute my faults to myself and my entire ancestry, but I attribute the responsibility of fixing them entirely to myself.

>>9870949
Mid-life crisis is basically the moment a 40-something realizes s/he's been living life completely wrong, postponing responsibility and suddenly being hit in the face with it when the person's mortality becomes too critical to ignore anymore. Thing is, there's no one who had a mid-life crisis that I know who turned out better for it, they became more neurotic, so to me it kind of is an indication that if you have a mid-life crisis at all you pretty much fucked up.

>>9871449
>Just do whatever it is you want
>Everything is easy, bro. Just be yourself!

Every time I try, I fail miserably.

>>9871577
that's absurd. every person on the planet is pretty much fucked up by your logic. people change, people have problems, nobody lives a charmed life 24/7 dude. 40 being some kind of watermark for lost causes is mind numbingly stupid. I had a prof. who didn't start school until 45 because she was a housewife. did he phd at 50 and started a career that she loves. get out some more.

>>9871577
Mid-life crisis reflects a paradigm shift where the person realises that the rules and aims of daily life have changed. Look up Jung or Ericksons stages of life. We must keep shifting our way of being with the world. Those who are increasingly neurotic in the second half of their life are that way because they are desperately trying to hold onto a paradigm for living that belongs in the first half of life. This is the cliche about buying a sportscar or motorbike. It's not about acting young, its about desperately trying to VALUE the same things that were valued in young life (drawing in wealth, status, etc.). Second half of life should be a turning towards legacy and future generations, etc. Going through all of these paradigm shifts is often a painful process, and we often need the support of someone who's done it before, AND/OR who can shut the fuck up and listen while we try to sort out what it means for our particular situation.

>>9871449
you clearly underrate the mental fuckery going on inside neets and other humangarbage.

they really need a father figure to help them out

Didn't know JP was such a controversial topic here, should've probably used something else as a picture.
>>9868888
>>9868875
Thanks.

>>9872006
>Didn't know JP was such a controversial topic here
is /lit/ really 4chan's post modernist neo marxist defense force? They don't seem to be saying anything other than peterson sux, grow up loser, which I guess is pretty post modernist

>>9872006
It's just a bunch of lonely and bitter unsuccessful anons with legitimate daddy issues projecting onto his fans.

>>9872014
No, but I didn't think there were a bunch of losers here ready to argue for 10 hours about a college professor. You're the one who needs to grow up, you're obviously incredibly triggered by all this.

>>9872014
>is /lit/ really 4chan's post modernist neo marxist defense force?
This is why people hate Peterson: he turns manchildren on 4chan into propaganda boxes who can't possibly think critically for more than one second.
Also, and this is a personal opinion, JP drones are not worthy of tradition. If Peterson is what get you into religion, politics and culture, maybe you were not meant for it in the first place. Anyone who puts any semblance of value on the notion of aristocracy would laugh at the idea of discovering God through a theologically and philosophically ignorant e-celebrity.

>>9872050
>if you don't already understand something, you shouldn't then try to understand it more because someone told you about it.
Wew. I mean, fuck off, anon. What kind of next level pretentiousness is this?

>>9872050
I'll take that as a yes.

>>9872050
Probably, a deep reading of at least one pomo theorist is apart of any lit degree. You can't be interested in language and avoid their arguments. So when Peterson comes along and memes about it then a lot of heavy readers are going to challenge that.

>>9872050
lol @ this pseud looking down on anyone

babby's first excuse to be pretentious

>>9872080
>>9872129

Read Evola. You guys do not deserve tradition, nor you can understand it. You just parrot the words that are usually related to this concept.
And it's not pretentiousness, it's aristocracy. Not all men are the same, and if you have to listen to Jordan Peterson to pick up a book, you were a lost cause in the first place.

>>9872083
Great, Peterson has managed to drill in your head the idea that whoever disagrees with you is a pomo neo-marxist. This is identity politics, by the way.

>>9872125
Why are you even considering his critiques? I do not even disagree with them to a full extent, I just find laughable the way in which they are presented: vaguely, with absolutely no reference to either the original contents he is referencing, always formulated in the most generic possible way.
Also I think that what is more troubling about it is that there is no exception to this rule. You would expect him at some point to sit down and maybe record a longer video in which he actually dissects and expands on his criticism towards the pomo philosophers he is railing against, maybe by exposing their arguments as faulty or obscurantist by directly quoting them, yet he never did so, not even once. This is what makes me doubt about his intellectual honesty.

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>>9872167
I agree, anon. If you're not born knowing how to read then you're a fucking pleb. If you need to be taught to drive a car, fucking walk you cunt! Yeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss.

>>9872187
>pleb on suicide watch

>>9872167

>Read Evola. You guys do not deserve tradition, nor you can understand it. You just parrot the words that are usually related to this concept.

I am so tired of arrogant newreaders who cite Evola like he's some checkmate play: they read one or two books on perennial wisdom and then go off to "school the masses" without really delving into the hermetic schools that he based his work around in any serious way. They all treat Evola like some ready-made shortcut, in true modernist utilitarian fashion no less.

A lot of them are /pol/ tourists too. Bunch of dopes. They barely even read.

>>9872193
Well if I die, don't call an ambulance. If I can't perform heart surgery on myself then fuck my whole life up. Also, while you're not on the phone to the hospital, tell all the medical trainers to quit, we don't need any teachers in our aristocracy. They just undermine our aristocracy by filling the peasant heads with knowledge that belongs to those who already have it and nobody new ever.

>>9872199
>Peterson is the only way to get inspired
I wonder how many of these people would defend so aggressively hacks like Michio Kaku and NDT when it comes to science.

>>9872198
That's a nice pile of stereotypes, my friend. How much did it cost?

>>9872167
Well, I'm well read in Deuleze, Guattari, Blanchot, and Bourdieu and when memers put forward his ideas on pomo then I think it's only fair to hear him out. Why wouldn't you consider all criticism of your ideas? How do you deepen and grow your understanding if you don't engage in criticism? Not to consider his critique just seems weird to me.

>>9872206
Fuck that, if you need another person to inspire you then you're a fucking pleb. Don't backtrack, anon! We're an aristocratic team!

>>9872206

>That's a nice pile of stereotypes, my friend. How much did it cost?

That's a very nervous misdirect, my tourist. Ever plan on reading seriously?

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>>9869742
>n-no I said consult Dr John Jeremiah at Christ University, otherwise visit pastor Billy Bob down the street

>>9872207
I'm not against criticism, I've said it. I'm just not regarding this as coherent criticism, for it is based on nothing that can be regarded as concrete.
Do you think there are no critiques of philosophers associated with postmodernity? Why of all of them should I listen to the one utteres by Peterson, who not even once proves us that he has read the actual texts?
Also notice that I have said that even pointing out passages that are obscurantist would be a legitimate form of criticism: I don't think he has to become a Derrida scholar and fully understand every single line he ever wrote, yet a reference in a 2 years timespan of costant anti-pomo criticism would have been nice, don't you think?

>>9872209
>That's a very nervous misdirect, my tourist.
Not really, there was no real substance behind your post. As I've said, it's a nice pile of stereotypes.

>>9868842
Serious question: Why are some people so triggered by JBP? It seems both atheists and Christians get butt hurt. Any one care to explain why you over react?

>>9872236
Indeed. He is a charlatan. People should NOT feel free to educate others with their ideas. And if they do, they should do it YOUR way. OUR way. The way of the aristocracy. That is to say, not at all.

>>9872242
See
>>9872016
>anyone who respects an older man has daddy issues!
>what? Projection? No way I HATE father figures!! Dads suck!

>>9872236
Idk what you're trying to say. You asked me why I would consider his criticism and I replied. You can't disprove my opinion anon.

>>9872251
Exactly. There is something deeply psychological about the reactions. My guess is that they feel like they never got enough attention. Probably from their dad.

>>9872249
See? You're an outsider.

>>9872242
Because he's the new Harris. Wether we like it or not, 4chan will get obsessed with a pseudointellectual for 2 years, then they drop him off and go to the next one. Jordan Peterson is the new one.

Usually I have JP threads filteres, but none of the words I've tagged were included in OP's post.

>>9872252
I haven't said that it's not criticism, rather I've said it's not coherent, and I've then argued this position of mine.

>>9872266
Well. I think JBP is absolutely brilliant. And I think he will play a huge role in changing our culture. It is because of him I started writing and became political active. The inspiration is real.

>>9872266
Yes! I HATE pseudo-intellectuals as well anon. Isn't it great? That means we know we're REAL intellectuals. As soon as someone new comes on the scene with their personal perspective, it SUCKS because then people get interested in that perspective and they SHOULDN'T because they should just teach themselves with other perspectives. Well, no they shouldn't actually because they shouldn't have to learn at all. They either already know or they don't. Right anon? Learning is for pseudo-intellectuals.

>>9872236

>Not really, there was no real substance behind your post.

Kek at how desperately you're clinging to anonymity because I hit a nerve. You treat Evola like a short-cut to perennial knowledge because you're a lazy reader who doesn't care enough to put in real work. You'll never prove me wrong on this, either. You'd sooner sheepishly say something like "b-burden of proof" and mire this into semantics before choosing to roundly and undeniably prove how wrong I was of your own volition.

You come to this board and announce arrogant crap like this:
>Read Evola. You guys do not deserve tradition, nor you can understand it. You just parrot the words that are usually related to this concept.
But when you meet any resistance to your newreader larping you become sheepish and taciturn.

>>9872275
I have met no resistance. You have started piling up stereotypes, do I have to waste my time to prove you "wrong"? I'd rather just point out that it's all namecalling and I'll leave it there.

>>9872270
Imagine being this guy.

>>9872280
You could only wish, pleb

>>9870072
Yeah, your attitude stinks. There's more to being than the conceit you emanate.
You're in love with your own ego, not with an earnest desire to see a richness of education, of thought and ideas to be disseminated among people.
People don't have to become Peterson clones, some will sure, but what's important is that there now exists a portion of the population who might have otherwise not found their muse for intellectual endeavour.

Grow up

>>9872280

>I'd rather just point out that it's all namecalling and I'll leave it there.

Hahahaha. Typical sophist punk. You talk big game and then find any flimsy pretext that you can to bail when tried.

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>>9872280
Yeah, they said all the wrong names, pal, you got it in one! They should have said the name Ebola. I mean Evola. Now THAT is a name. I haven't read him though, because he might direct me to other sources or teach me a new thing or inspire me and that's all for fucking pseuds who don't even already KNOW. Man, everyone in this thread except us is a fucking IDIOT, right anon? Especially THIS FUCKER. >>9872270 hahaha hahaha. Pseud fuck for listening to a guy. WHAT A FUCKING FAGGOT. ARISTOCRACY FTW!

>>9872242
Maybe because he portrays post modernists as being behind the purple haired, science hating, screeching sjw types. Also that lit courses are deep with the same cancer

>>9868898
Actually, growing up with no role model and an angry dad that is a good person, but doesn't teach you anything is quite difficult. Not to mention if your parents divorce when you are 7 and you grow up with mom that is always depressed and at job.

I just realized few months ago into my early twenties, that most of my problems were caused by having no guidance from parents, neither did I have sheer luck to somehow figure out shit on my own.

I still think I have a great potential, but a great potential that has been handicapped for 10 years +.. is not going to be in the same mood as someone that came from a happy and smart family, where the kids never had to worry about their parents money or had to work for their own money.

I've never really met people from happy familys that would understand me on an emotional level when it came to me, they understood the things that happened and felt bad about it, but never will they understand how I feel and how it fucks you up in the long run. However, I've had a lot of people from same background as me absolutely knowing how I felt and what I went through, but wasn't really able to comprehend it until now.

Am I blaming my parents? Yes, no child should suffer, because their two parents are bottom rock retards when it comes to parenting. They are good people, but terrible parents.

Can I blame them if I fail in life? No, once you are aware of the situation, you should seek to improve it, not cry over it.

That's my look on it really.

>>9869079
Eastern texts don't function as well as "bibles" like western texts do, the Quran doesn't even either technically considering it's non-linear and heavily referential to other events. I don't recommend looking into any religion at all unless you're going to really dive in and read multiple books, commentaries, history, philosophy, everything. A surface level reading of one book, no matter how good, is hardly a substitute for having enough knowledge on a subject to make a rational decision about it. Religions are far far more than their "principal" texts.

>>9872288
>pointing out that namecalling is namecalling is sophism
>>9872287
>not with an earnest desire to see a richness of education
God, what a cultist. I want people to reach knowledge through legitimate sources: this means that I'll not hold in high esteem people who approach philosophy through Peterson, psychology through Pinker, literature through John Green, math through Numberphile. Instead I'll see you as a pleb.
Now, you may say "how pretentious! And how dare you!", but let's be honest, am I wrong? Read OP's post: do you think that he is now enlightened thanks to Peterson? I only see a guy who has memorized Peterson's jargon and themes, and now apply them to everything. If this is the case, Jordan Peterson is quite literally intellectual poison, since the tools of analysis he gives are completely insufficient. And if this is true laymen should actively avoid these contents, and at best vision them once they know whatvthey are actually about, just like someone who is interested in analytic philosophy should not care for one second about the blabbering about rationality and logic of Sam Harris.
To me it's evident that this is the case, and I've already given multiple times my argument for this opinion of mine. They seem pretty solid, since all the response I got were basic apologies of Jordan Peterson as a motivator.

>>9869816
Educated and sophisticated answer. I, too, am appalled by the desire of young men to usurp their own life into their hands, without taking part in the global revolution against their own civilization.

>>9872346
I'm not that guy, but do you realize that not every thinker on planet Earth is a genderqueee pomo neomarxist? And do you realize that Peterson's ideas are not original, which means that you can simply go look them yourself instead of wasting your time on his youtube videos?
At this point it's just about trying to justify laziness, isn't it?

>>9872346
If it popularises psychotherapy among the previously reals > feels crowd then that can only be a good thing. Working out your problems is much better than pointing fingers. I think we can all agree with that pomo notwithstanding

>>9872353
>cleaning your room
>laziness

>>9872343

>>pointing out that namecalling is namecalling is sophism

You're such a desperate sophist it's hilarious. All you're doing now is talking in circles around the charge thrown at you because you don't know even what to say. Admit it. You simply don't know what to say except some weak ass iteration of
>bad talk is bad and I don't have time for that o-okay

Youngfag sophist wants to play le grizzled arbiter of traditionz but is too shit at larping to survive even cursory questioning.

>>9872328
Same experience. It's not discussed as much as it needs to be unfortunately. The past is past but for that poor kid who doesn't know anything in the present and is doomed to the same fate until he (hopefully) figures out his upbringing was shit is kinda tragic.

Why does Peterson cause so much butthurt in /lit/

>>9872376
Not to mention you have no support from your own parents/family in any kind of sense, other than they are providing you are place to sleep.

I mean, I'm grateful I have a place to stay and that mom takes care of the clothes (even though I could of also, if I had to), but other than that I don't see a lot more in our bond.

Growing up I don't remember my parents asking me how I feel, or how I feel about certain things, what has happened in school or what are we studying etc.. It was pretty much just: ''There's food in the fridge, make yourself something to eat'' and occasional ''How is school going, do you have any F's?'' if so ''When are you going to re-take test'' and after completion ''Good, anything else you have in school''.

It's basically having a person that gives you shelter and asks you about how school is lol. I know almost nothing about my parents, what they like or what they wanted to do in life, etc.. Feels weird, but yeah.

>>9872496
Because he's a hack who has little to say and only became well-known because he pandered to the "whine about SJWs" crowd. That's all he's known for, being a daddy for stupid teenagers like OP and making money off them because he complained about gender pronouns and postmodernism, even though he never directly addresses postmodern writers. He's a far more skilled marketer and businessman than intellectual.

>>9872050
This. I literally think marxists should be sent to hell, but JP is just a more erudite self-help guru. Literally writes for the exact age OP is.

>>9872566
Except for the fact that he's a very highly sighted academic
Except for the fact that he spends his time trying to do something useful with his money instead of endless material treats n goodies.

This post is just pure conjecture. Whether you like his approach or work or not - that's besides the point. He believes what he says and acts how he speaks.

>>9872343
Fair enough, that's your opinion man. I hope you're not as embittered as you sound because I don't give a fuck what your opinion is. I'm pleased with how I'm living, what I'm reading, what I'm learning and where I am with my career so wudeva

>>9872601
>Literally writes for the exact age OP is.
Confirmed has never even looked at the inside of Maps of Meaning.

>>9872566
How does he make money? He literally gives it all out for free.

Is it bad he helps those in need?

>>9868888
hi kantbot

>>9872566
Isn't it funny, how you shit on an academic person that goes out and does his thing, while you sit behind computer and criticize him for helping others?

I mean, before you hate on someone, imagine you ass having a public speech in front of people that try to prove you otherwise.. and then you have to defend your intelectual superiority with charm and wisdom.

Pretty sure you'd start to stutter, sweat and try to run from the stage from anxiety.

>>9872376
See>>9872016

>>9872343
Alright, anon. I'm going to be a bit generous here, because I am legit worried about you and basically see you as unconsciously reaching out for support even more than a fucking suicide watch thread on /b/
>I want people to reach knowledge through legitimate sources
Why? If they are reaching knowledge, they are reaching knowledge.
>Read OP's post: do you think that he is now enlightened thanks to Peterson?
When the fuck did "enlightened" become the criteria needed to justify appreciating an academic's perspective? Why are you projecting SO MUCH onto this one public guy because some people like his style and description of ideas?
>I only see a guy who has memorized Peterson's jargon and themes, and now apply them to everything.
>apply them to everything
>everything
>MEMORISED
You SERIOUSLY think you can get that from OPs post? Seriously? Fuck man, you are delusional. The OP was asking for book suggestions, anon, based on books he has read and EXTREMELY BRIEF summaries of the themes he liked in them. One of the most on topic OP posts in a long time and you shit all over it. I think you are the outsider here.
>Peterson is quite literally intellectual poison, since the tools of analysis he gives are completely insufficient
For what? What problem are you projecting onto the lives you imagine anons have across the gulf of the internet? Seriously? Insufficient for what? You are creating a fabricated world in which Peterson is not enough, but for what? He's just a guy, anon, he talks and some people like listening to him talk.
>someone who is interested in analytic philosophy should not care for one second about the blabbering about rationality and logic of Sam Harris
>should not
>SHOULD not
Should I also not like the Simpsons, O great dictator of the aristocracy? Do you realise how weirdly triggered you sound about these guys? You really seem like you have some kind of strange daddy shit and/or grandiosity/jealousy complex about this e-celebrity, anon. The generalisation towards Harris makes me think it's more likely the latter. I think you need to sort yourself out.

>>9868842
My girlfriend and I are having troubles because my thoughts have be plagued with a recent bout of nihilism.

I've beaten it before, through starting a business and reading, but how do I beat it again? Any books that you /lit/fags would suggest that aren't written by Nietzsche?

>>9872661
>I'm going to be a bit generous here, because I am legit worried about you and basically see you as unconsciously reaching out for support even more than a fucking suicide watch thread on /b/
>rational man ANNIHILATES dumb SJW [part 4]
I liked this Sargon-esque introduction. Too bad it wasn't ironic.

>When the fuck did "enlightened" become the criteria needed to justify appreciating an academic's perspective? Why are you projecting SO MUCH onto this one public guy because some people like his style and description of ideas?
Peterson's perspective on philosophy and literature is not academic.

>Why? If they are reaching knowledge, they are reaching knowledge.
>You SERIOUSLY think you can get that from OPs post? Seriously? Fuck man, you are delusional. The OP was asking for book suggestions, anon, based on books he has read and EXTREMELY BRIEF summaries of the themes he liked in them. One of the most on topic OP posts in a long time and you shit all over it. I think you are the outsider here.
If you can't notice anything in OP's choice of words and terms, you are blind. He is a Peterson drone, his "analysis" (Peterson's thoughts impossd on the book itself) of Devils by Dostoevsky makes that clear.

>For what? What problem are you projecting onto the lives you imagine anons have across the gulf of the internet? Seriously? Insufficient for what? You are creating a fabricated world in which Peterson is not enough, but for what? He's just a guy, anon, he talks and some people like listening to him talk.
You're fixated with the word projecting. Stop being a meme and attack my ideas.
Now, you ask me "insufficient for what?", well, from what I can see they are insufficient to analyze and understand Devils by Dostoevsky, for example. Everything this guy will read will be read from the point of view of Peterson, and since he heas read so far only 2 books, he probably won't realize how narrow and frail that point of view is.

>Should I also not like the Simpsons, O great dictator of the aristocracy? Do you realise how weirdly triggered you sound about these guys? You really seem like you have some kind of strange daddy shit and/or grandiosity/jealousy complex about this e-celebrity, anon. The generalisation towards Harris makes me think it's more likely the latter. I think you need to sort yourself out.
It looks like you were unable to make a sound comparison.

>>9872552
Might come a bit later. I'm 24 and when your parents see you as an adult they start to open up to you as an adult. My father for example when we were drinking one night a couple years back he told me how his family bullied him he was smacked around by his father, drank like crazy when he was younger. Never knew any of this, it was the first time he really told me anything about his life.

I connected the dots and realized why he was absent because he had nothing to draw off. It's a cycling loop with a lot of people.

>>9872683
Not him. But JP is doing good, people aren't going to suddenly become aca-fucking-demics and start reading legit sources. Doing that is a hobby or a profession. He speaks that connects with the aim of giving people some sort of understanding about difficult concepts that people may not grasp by themselves. It's not hard to understand, him existing and doing what he does is a net positive not negative.

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>>9869079
>if you're going to learn linear algebra, might as well learn algebraic geometry
>if you're going to get fit, might as well become a competing athlete
>if you're going to do x, you might as well do y1-y100 and dedicate years of your life to it
So fucking sick and tired of this retard-autist attitude.
>>9872340
>I don't recommend looking into any religion at all
>like dude stay the hell away from one of the pillars of your culture and the fundament of your ancestors thinking for millennia unless you're willing to dedicate years to it

>>9871623
Exceptions don't break the rule, and not everyone experiences a midlife crisis. Far less than you make it sound. Going through some changes is not the same as an all out crisis.

>>9872837
>dude you're just supposed to skim read those books
>naah dude, secondary literature is worthless

>>9872635
>>9872635
Please. Jungian mythology even at a high-level is the entry level into humanity related things. I am not saying it's bad, it's just OK. You can be reading Hegel at 19 also, but it won't click if there isn't already a base to work with.

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>>9872665
The emergence of those kinds of thoughts sorta destroyed my last relationship (along with other issues, obviously), be careful anon

>>9868842
Jocko Willink is a retard who literally believes in free will.

All the ideas of Extreme Ownership are based on false premises.

Biopuppets need to come to terms with themselves.