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Agnostic here. I'm interested in christian/ catholic apologetic lit or those focused on culture/ historical events. Also interested to get an overview of the most important characters like Aquinas, St Augustine etc to be able to place them and their thoughts in a historical timeline.

I've read "Christianity and culture", The Cathechism, Cath. Bible, "Faith Instict" and "Crusades, Christianity and Islam". "Ecce Homo A Survey of the Life and Work of Jesus Christ" is on it's way and I'm pretty eager to read it, as it's focus in mainly on "positive christianity" instead of all the magical mumbo jumbo. I also wanted to order Peter Hitchens books, as I really enjoyed his brothers work but I heard it's a waste of time. Any opinions on "Rage against god"?

Post charts or recommend further reading if possible.
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>>>/wsr/
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>>9851931
Too broad. Most people lurking there are either requesting themselves or more into modern cultural things like movies/ stuff. If anything /his/ would be my second pick, but asking for lit in /lit/ seems more likely to get good results.
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Come on /lit/, gimmi something.
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I'm a big fan of "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. "On Miracles" is also by him, also good.

I really like "Orthodoxy" by G.K. Chesterton as well.
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If you want aoplogetics look inyo Chesterton. Dostoyevski is the essential christian novelist. Theology/thought is st augustine, thomas awuinas, pascal, descartes, anselm, ocham, the church fathers bla bla. Theres some charts floating around but you probably know yourself where to start.
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>>9852078
Actually I'm still looking for the religious Chart, like the other OP. But your names are already helpfull, thanks.

>>9852075
Yeah, I was already thinking about more Lewis. Can you recommend some whole set of his works? "Heretics" by Chesterton just arived, so I'll probably look further into him. Thanks so far, anon.
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>>9852092
The lists arent that good. Just pick a book and go from there. Orthodoxy from chesterton should be read after heretics.
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>>9852092
The Signature Classics set of Lewis includes Mere Christianity, The Screwtape Letters, On Miracles, The Problem of Pain, The Great Divorce, A Grief Observed, and I think three other books. It's a solid one volume edition
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>>9852114
Thanks, that sounds great.
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>>9851926
>that picture
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The First Apology, The Second Apology by St. Justin Martyr
Apologetical Works by Tertullian
The Divine Institutes by Lactantius
On Illustrious Men by St. Jerome
Pensees by Blaise Pascal
Reason and Revelation by John Peter Arendzen
Celibacy and the Crisis of Faith by Dietrich von Hildebrand
Theology and Sanity by Frank Sheed
Belief in God in an Age of Science by John Polkinghorne
Handbook of Christian Apologetics by Peter Kreeft, Ronald K. Tacelli
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>>9852157
Sweet. Thank you, anon. Sounds promising.
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>>9852172
Forgot to mention Summa contra Gentiles by Thomas Aquinas. John Polkinghorne has a lot of good books on faith and science, and there's a book The Polkinghorne Reader that might be good to get. If you're interested in magazines, I'd recommend First Things; Peter Hitchens has written for them before.
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>>9852199
Thanks, I'm not sure if the magazine is an option as I'm living in germany, but I'll check out if I can get some older ones.
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>>9851926
Kristin Lavransdottir or The Master of Hestviken by Undset
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>>9852267
Sounds interesting. A religious-historical fiction. Would be a nice addition. Do you recommend a specific translation? It seems there are multiple out there.
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>>9851926
For overviews of the general Catholic philosophy, God, Philosophy, Universities by Alsadair MacIntyre and the first three volumes of History of Philosophy by Frederick Copleston.
For a specific work on Aquinas, Feser's Aquinas: Beginners Guide.
For thomism in general and the defense of the core principles against modern (but not contemporary) attacks, God, His Existence and His Nature by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange (only after Aquinas).
Before Aquinas at least Metaphysics, Ethics, Politics, Categories and Analytics from Aristote. From Aqunas himself, start with Summa Contra Gentiles.
Other contemporary and modern thomists worth reading are E.Gilson, especially for history, Jaques Maritain for political writings, Elizabeth Amscombe for analytical philosophy and ethics and David Oderberg for metaphysics, epistemology and ethics.
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>>9852354
Great, thanks.

>>9852362
Well, I sure will have enough to read till the end of the year. Thank you as well.
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>>9852401
I've been reading thomism for about 2 years now, there's enough material for a decade.
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>>9852422
Theology student or just interested in the topic?
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>>9852429
Personal interest. Theology studies don't actually teach all that much on Aquinas and Augustine, they spend more time on trash like Lubac and Rahner.
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>>9851926
hilarious pic, didnt read your post tho
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>>9852478
Do they at least teach the greeks?
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>>9852801
Depends on the direction, but mostly they pretend Christianity started in 1962, so none of those who are going for a teaching degree will read them.
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>>9852808
Sweet list, anon. Thanks.

>>9852868
What a waste, especially considering that as far as I know on it's peak christianity was quite fond of them. But it also explains all the bullshit comming from certain theological spheres.
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>>9852902
The theological movement of the mid 20th century was anti-traditional (clearly seen in the banal liturgy you are probably familiar with, instead of the traditional Latin mass) and subsequently anti-aristotelian (a reaction against neo scholasticim, which was extremely rigid in teaching and content, as one needed to master the language and mindset behind it first so that theological reasoning may be built without error and with clarity). They tried mixing Aquinas with Heidegger and Husserl, Kant and Hegel, or reject him altogether, but it never really worked, so the largest body of the then popular theological authors completely failed to provide meaningful answers and are rapidly being forgotten by the young generation and again replaced by scholasticism.
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that stamp. that's a nice stamp.
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I'd recommend anything by Trent Horn and Scott Hahn. Peter Kreeft has a library of books that interesting too. Here's a couple more that I found very useful:

>The Protestants Dilemma by Devin Rose

The titles is pretty self explanatory, Devin explains what most Protestants believe and points out the logical inconsistencies and consequences of the things they believe.

>The Fullness of Truth by James Seghers

It's essentially a pocket book with a lot of ready made arguments drawing purely from scripture. It's great for refreshing your memory or referencing in times of need. It's good to read straight through too, it's not a dry read by any means.

>The Fathers Know Best by Jimmy Akin

This is a great introduction to the writings of the early fathers. He explains how to read them, why they're important, and he gives important background information. That sort of thing.

>Bearing False Witness by Rodney Stark

This debunks a lot of the anti-Catholic propaganda that has been so prevalent over the centuries and even today. Things like the inquisition, the crusades, witch burning, anti-Jewish pogroms, and so on. Rodney Stark is a secular writer as well so you can easily cite him without having to worry about accusations of bias. He's a well respected sociologist and historian so you might want to check out some of his other books as well. He's very easy to read, I'm a fan.

That's all the books I can think of at the moment.
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>>9852919
Out of curiosity, is there some list of books beeing thought in the early traditional education, like for example a medival monk would have enjoyed? "God's Philosophers" talked a bit about the greeks and the importance of the ancient languages, but having a more defined list would be nice.
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>>9852953
Thanks, especially the last two sound very promising.

I really didn't expect to get so many great recommendations in this thread, cosindering all the fedoras around.
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>>9852955
It's probably best to find a list of authors Aquinas references for authority or argues against. That would be late medieval, but still it would make for a nice reading list, ranging from Augustine to Muslim aristotelians.
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>>9852975
Thank you, I'll look out for it after reading his works.
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>>9852990
You can read Boethius without much preparation and he's comfy and nice.
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>>9853010
>>9852990

I'd recommend the Ignatius Critical edition for the Consolation. A lot of the pages have more notes than text, it's glorious.
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Well, thanks for all the recommendations. You all have been a great help.
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>>9851926
I'd certainly recommend Peter Hitchens.
'The Rage Against God' is a direct answer to the New Atheists(specifically Christopher's 'god is Not Great'), so you should probably read it since you've read their work. In the same category I'd also recommend 'Gunning for God' by John Lennox.
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>>9853660
Thanks. The issue with Peters book seemed to be that he didn't really spoke about the why he has become a christian (which is promises on the first page). But I guess I should at least give it a try, once my to-read stack will look a bit smaller. I'll also check out Lennox. Thanks for recommending.
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>>9852808
This chart is so shitty
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>>9854190
Care to explain why?
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>>9854216
It includes cheesy apologetics like "The Case for Christ" and "Reasonable Faith"
The City of God isn't "Advanced." It was written with non-Christians as its intended audience.

Half the "Theology" section should really be labeled "Apologetics"

The fiction section is huge mix of quality.
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>>9853265
>cat used to go behind books as a kitten
>grew up
>still goes behind books
the smug little asshole doesn't even care that he knocks em all down, either.
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>>9851926
Karlheinz Deschner's Criminal History of Christianity in 10 volumes, m8.
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>>9855505
I actually have them them, mate. He's purple prose combined with autism. Doesn't make a good read. Hitchens is far superior.
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>>9855511
>purple prose
your judgement is literally based on the colour of the book cover, right?
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>>9855516
Does your fedore supress some circulation? As I said, I'm not religious, just interested in the cultural aspect. I know that the church has done some shit, but that doesn't mean that I need to read an autistic and frankly but really objective list of things a salty guy collected on it. He hated the church, so it's like reading the koran on atheism.
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>>9855516
And it's obviously not the topic as asked for in the OP. I've been atheist long enough to know my chriticism on christianity. After all that I just wanted to see the other side, which is just as interesting to get the whole picture. If you can't understand that you're not long enough on your journey.
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>>9854268
City of God is advanced because it's not written for unlearned people like apologetics and does require some knowledge of philosophy, especially Plato and Plotinus. The chart is garbage of course, but to someone new to the topic I wouldn't recommend as the first read.
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>>9855570
Good to know, as I considered buying City of God next. What would you recommend of Plato and Plotinus?
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>>9851926

Believing in any of the Gods is a very stupid thing indeed, unless it helps you in some moral or practical way in your life. If you're going to be agnostic, be a proper one and accept the true gist of agnosticism, which is that the only thing certain about gods or whether or not they exist is that its unknowable in our silly little worlds with our silly little lives and our silly little brains.
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>>9855604
Why do you feel the need to interpret my beliefs? I'm not religious, on the contrary. I just have learned to cherrish the christian culture and want to learn more about them and the history. If anything I would call myself agnostic (with an apatheistic tendency) catholic.

Well, thanks for the bump, but try next time to read the title instead of getting all worked up on some buzzwords.
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>>9855613

You're not an agnostic then. You're just confused and young as we all were at some point. Keep calm and carry one, read a lot. Also, bending towards any one sect, let alone something as provocative as Catholicism, is not a good idea, so if you're really bent on finding out if youre agnostic or atheist or a believer read the literature of all major religions without bias, it'll help you form better opinions for yourself. They have a lot in common and differ only on some things like social/ economic/ moral structures and such, so it shouldn't be that hard to do.
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Graham Greene's your man, particularly ''the power and glory''
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>>9855625
Agnostic only means, that I don't know either way from an scientific point of view. Apatheistic, that I don't belief it really matters and Catholic simply because that how I was raised and which is the main part of my culture. If you think that's already provocative you're not really in a place to take part in the discussion. But thanks for your opinion. Listen, I'm not here to discuss in what to belief in with some teenager which thinks he knows how the world roles because he has read the four hourseman.

Please stick to the main question.
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>>9855625

Rereading, I find how wrong my opinion is here. Ob better introspection, in fact the major religions are distinct in quite a lot of ways, not least because of their origins, context or other historical reasons. I was very wrong indeed. Apart from obvious similarities between judaism and christianity other religions are at stark contrast. I was just babbling on that post without thinking like a stupid fool that i am.
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>agnostic
You're a fucking atheist, get over it child.
>history
History is institutionalized mythology. Don't bother with theology, you will never understand it.
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>>9855626
Thanks anon, I already bookmarked it from some Chart. I guess I will have to list them all and think about a nice chart myself to go through them all.
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>>9855604
THING I DONT LIKE IS STUPID BECAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND IT
I HAVE ASPERGERS SO I REQUIRE CERTAINTY BEFORE ACTION. I HAVENT GOTTEN OUT OF MY BED FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE I HAVE ASPERGERS AND CANNOT BE CERTAIN THAT I CAN GET UP. IS THERE EVEN A FLOOR? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE 'UP'?
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>>9851926
Just finished Bernanos' Sous le Soleil de Satan, it was incredible. Together with Leon Bloy it gives me another image of christianity than "le tolerant and optimistic believer"
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>>9855637
>muh psy ants
Fuck off, teenager.
>the fate of humanity doesn't matter
JEJ
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>>9855647
Don't be so angry. Although I don't believe and this is what's called atheist, the scientifically accurate word is agnostic, simply because I can't prove my position. Get over it kiddo.

>History is institutionalized mythology. Don't bother with theology, you will never understand it.
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Read Louis Rougier's translation and commentary of Celsus as well as his dissection of Scholasticism, both of which are available on Libgen. Yes, they're in French.
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>>9855647

>agnostic
You're a fucking atheist, get over it child.

You might be right, but its not blameful to sometimes suspect science, big bang and all, and accept the possibility of there being much more to it than what is apparent. Would depend on the definition of god also. But yea most agnostics are mostly just atheists that humble enough to not be too hardcore on their opinions.

>history
History is institutionalized mythology. Don't bother with theology, you will never understand it.

I disagree. It's not really mythology. But of course it never gives the full picture and is just a guessful (if that is even a word) picture of the past from the few things that are known. Same could perhaps be said about theology. But history is definitely not just mythology. But its also not the ultimate truth as some assume, or in other words history is quite bad and incoherent and opinionated.
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>>9855650
Care to explain further? As I said, I'm less interested in somehing with shock value as more the historic and biographic events.
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>>9855652
>MUH PSY ANTS
Irrelevant meme ideology. No, you're an atheist. Those that reject God are atheists. You are not agnostic because you believe in countless things and are certain about them. No, 'science' does not 'prove' anything. It then would have to prove itself, wrangle itself up by its own damn bootstraps. You children struggle to do so, little do you know that the quicksand is swallowing you.
>kiddo
I'm twice your fucking age you soft-balled adolescent.
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>>9855659
Oh forget it then, those are novels
Anyway I think these are great books about faith
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>>9855657
Agnostics are disgustingly arrogant and pretentious. Stop sucking yourself off, atheist.
>its not really mythology
Yes it is, stop deluding yourself. Nothing is known. You're sinking in the quicksand of ideology.
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>>9855660
>I'm twice your fucking age you soft-balled adolescent.
Considering your emotion outbreaks and inability to read the OP I dare to doubt that. Just cease it, you're not bringing anything to the table and make atheists just look bad.
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>>9855599
Read about Plotinus through secondary lit (Copleston), but for Plato, Republic, Laws, 4 Trial and Death dialogues, Symposium, Timaeus.
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>>9855669
>emotion is bad
Fuck off, teenager.
>'bringing to the table is good'
Fuck off, teenager. You're fucking insufferable, down to that absolutely pretentious way you phrase yourself. Soft balls, get out.
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>>9855656
>French
Sorry, I'm already trilingual and although I had french and spanish as well, I'm not learning a new language for that. But I'm sure they are somewhere out there in a civilized tongue.
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>>9855650
Wow hi Myrmex
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>>9855668

All people can be disgustingly arrogant and pretentious, only differs on how hard and for how long until everyone comes to there senses at last (hopefully).

>Stop sucking yourself off, atheist.
I cant figure out what you mean here.

>its not really mythology
Yes it is, stop deluding yourself. Nothing is known. You're sinking in the quicksand of ideology.

I see you have been firmly entrenched into fantastical conspiracy theories and trumpism, or at least the misunderstood bits of trumpism. Nobody can help you now in this regard, sadly.
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>>9855673
Thanks, I'm already working on a nice chart if all those recommendations and will probably make a new thread asking for opinions once it's done.
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>>9855680
Oh look, more secular arrogance. Find a dick and suck it, maybe you're good enough to escape drowning for a while!
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>>9855688

Unless I am Noah, amirite? LOL
"secular arrogance" - please grow up.
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>>9855688
Stop arguing with the retard, you ain't going to win.
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>>9855694

i suppose i'm the retard here then huh? :D
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>>9855676
Yes, ancient Greek and Latin, since Rougier bases himself largely on the primary sources, you silly churl.
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Which topic invites more butthurt, religion or politics?
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>>9855737
Politics is tied to religion, one invites the other in discussion. Even if right now the media is massively butthurt about Trump, so politics is leading right now.
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>>9855737

would like an answer to this also.
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>>9855749

how is politics tied to religion? wasnt there something called Reformation or was it just mythology?
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>>9851926
If you want a break from non-fiction there's a mountain of fun Christian literature which I find far more interesting than straight theology and politics.
>Flannery O'Connor (objectively best womeme to ever write anything)
>Gene Wolfe (objectively best living genre-fiction writer)

>>9855737
Easily politics, religion is pretty much dead in the minds of most people while politics are forced into everything.
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>>9855769
Never heard of O'Connor. Do you recommend something specific? And I just looked at Wolfes "The Shadow of the Torturer" but somehow that strikes me more like something Stephen King would produce in terms of gore, or do I have the wrong picture in mind?
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>>9855769
>religion is pretty much dead in the minds of most people
I don't think so. That's what everyone says but the levels of butthurt near any religious discussion are astonishing.

>>9855762
Well, for one, political beliefs are largely determined by your worldview, no? Which is, in turn, intimately connected to religion, or lack thereof
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>>9855762
I understand you are retarded, but separation of state and religion as a constitutional value comes directly from Protestant countries, so much that the Spanish Constitution, which is almost a word by word copy of the Dutch Constitution contains it pointlessly and only because they didn't pay attention while copying.
>>9855786
Wolfe doesn't have much gore, he doesn't describe the tortures except when necessary and even then it's wrapped in fine language.
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>>9855786
O'Connor wrote a lot of fantastic short fiction and two novels. 'Wise Blood' is a perfectly good introduction to her work, as is the short story 'The Chrysanthemum'. Her stories were mostly set in the American south and were an odd combination of humour and razor-sharp insight. Her stories are mostly about miserable people of weak moral character.

And as for Wolfe, he's kind of like the middle-ground between Chesterton (who he seems to idolize at least a bit), Tolkien (who had a mail-correspondence with before he died) and Robert E. Howard (Wolfe uses lots of classic science-fiction and fantasy tropes as foundations for his big stories, such as space colonization and buff guys fighting monsters with huge swords). His work is extremely Catholic but many of his stories are also great on a surface level taken as relatively straight science-fiction or fantasy. Book of the New Sun is kind of like Tales of the Dying Earth crossed with the Summae Theologica. I don't think that I've ever heard of anybody being put off by the violence in Wolfe's work, it's there but he doesn't revel in it. He actually seems to have something of a distaste for it, and only really seems to write about it to convey how unpleasant it can be (he was conscripted to fight in Korea). What tends to upset people about his work is the sexuality, he doesn't write weird fetishes or wish-fulfillment into his work or anything tasteless like that, he just often writes characters who are heroes in the more classical sense, by which I mean, powerful and virile men of flawed character. I personally find this very interesting and a refreshing change from the norms in genre-fiction (either oversexed weirdness or asexual weirdness).

>>9855813
>That's what everyone says but the levels of butthurt near any religious discussion are astonishing.
When do you see religious discussion outside of /lit/? On the news all I ever see is Islam apologists and Catholic pedophilia hysteria. Whenever Christianity really seems to come up as an issue it's treated like a quaint insanity like sun-worship (only example I can think of is Margaret Court, a former Australian tennis champion, being shit on by our country's disgusting pinko media for not supporting gay marriage on account of being a Christian. Only a matter of time before the stadium named after her gets a facelift.)
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>>9855907
*my mistake, O'Connor's story was called 'The Geranium'. I knew it was something flower-related.
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>>9855907
>>9855835

Thank you both, I certainly will get both of them for some lighter reading in between. I'm really curious about Wolfe especially, beeing quite fond of classic SciFi.
Thanks again.
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>>9855922
A couple of things that should probably be told to everyone about to read Book of the New Sun; first, it's very dense and nobody can put it all together on their first go through, on your second reading you'll be amazed at all of the intricacy put into place from the start, second, it's written in the first person as a memoir, it's easier to understand if you keep in mind that you're getting the truth as far as the protagonist is willing to tell it, he doesn't necessarily understand everything he's seen he want you to know everything he's done. Last one, there are the four main books and then 'Urth of the New Sun' as something of a coda to the main story, I don't recommend Urth until you read the main text twice, a lot of the nuance of Book of the New Sun is hammered right into your face in Urth to make sure you understand it by the end, which I consider to be a less fun way of getting it.

And the series continues with 'Book of the Long Sun' and 'Book of the Short Sun'. These don't directly tie into 'Book of the New Sun' but are fantastic stories in their own right which tie into it nicely in their own ways.
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>>9855943
I've seen it floating around here a couple times but know I'm really eager to get myself a copy.
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>>9855650
> Bernanos and Bloy

my nigga! which Bloy's have you read? Gonna start La femme pauvre soon.

I was thinking about watching the Pialat adaptation but I'm weary. Pialat was atheist, Bresson was Jansenist and later atheist. Have you read Monsieur Ouine by any chance?

>>9855677
That's not me, I haven't read Sous le soleil, but I did read Mouchette and it was beautiful.
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>>9856014
Hi Desespere is the only good thing he wrote. The others, not so good, with the possible exception of his book on popular expressions. The book of short stories is not bad either, Histoires Desobligeantes or was it Sueur de Sang, I forget which.

Villiers called him "a volcano of shit" and it's pretty much true. His diaries are pure autism.
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>>9856034
I was the og poster, I read le désespéré and then sous le soleil de Satan
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>>9856034
Have you read La Femme pauvre? I've heard it's better than Le Désespéré.

> Villiers called him "a volcano of shit" and it's pretty much true

Bloy wouldn't deny this nor would he consider it his biggest weakness. He references in Le Désespéré his critics who accuse him of being too edgy and scatological and says he doesn't give two fucks and he won't tone it down.
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>>9856229
What the fuck did you bump it for?
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>>9856236
wrong thread
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This book was written specifically for people wondering why we're Christian or why we believe the things we do.
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>>9855690
Every post you make, makes it worse.
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>>9857065
Thanks!
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>>9853660
>>9853670

Read Edward Feser instead Rage Against God is a good Christian book in the same way that Christopher's God is not great is a a good atheist book - they make for entertaining reads whilst have no actual substance.

Its a 150 pages of "I was a brat as kid and then felt felt funny when I looked at painting now the Church of England is the truth and life is nicer"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stendhal_syndrome


There are some bad feels though when you discover he never reconciled with his parents and they died thinking he was still a brat
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Has anyone here read Karl Barth? Are certain books from Church Dogmatics able to be read on their own, or do you have to go through the whole 9,000 page work?
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>>9859793
I find it hard to see him as a trustworthy source, but he's never memed against as much as Rahner/Lubac/Chardin/Congar so that's something.
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>>9859793
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2014/06/karl-barths-failure
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>>9859773
>Edwar Feser
I'll bookmark it, thanks.
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>>9859861
Fascinating stuff, I'll have to take the plunge into his work sometime.
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Abandon all commentaries, and dash the heresies of the whore whose name is Catholicism. She is polluted with man-made tradition and sacrilege.

Read only the King James Bible; starting from the book of James, the apostle for /lit/.

Reclaim the Torah which the church has persuaded the masses into believing that it was done away with.

If you desire further works of a holy scribe, Soren Kierkegaard's "Provocations" will guide you to the strait and narrow path.
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>>9861357
...thanks for the bump.
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>>9861357
kek
christianity on 4chan summed up pretty well
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>>9861357
The KJV is man-made. A king is man-made. You're fucking delusional.
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>>9861397
So you're telling me that if God spoke to you; you wouldn't write every word he said down? Anything God says is literally the most valuable thing that could ever be written in the eyes of a finite mortal.
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>>9861357
My dude, you literally wouldn't even have the Holy Bible were it not for Catholicism. You think the Holy Spirit would allow the Church to function in error until the time of Luther?
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>>9862753

By claiming that the Catholic Church was corrupted Protestants are literally calling Jesus a liar when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. The more you dig into Protestantism the more retarded it gets.
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>>9862793
Agreed. And I think we only need to look at the fruits of their efforts...think of how many thousands of denominations we have now, some of which espouse blatant heresies long ago disproved (think Arianism and JWs).

There is no valid argument against the Church anymore, at least not like there may have been in the time of Luther.

So congratulations Prots, you're the fathers of liberalism, social confusions, and have ruined communion with Holy Mother Church with your lies.

"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing." -- Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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>>9855786
>Never heard of O'Connor. Do you recommend something specific?

This is somebody else. With all respect to the anon who rec'd The Geranium, that's very far from her best work (it was a student work, in fact).

Her very best stuff is set forth in half-a-dozen short stories:

-The Life You Save May Be Your Own. Not her very best, but it gives you her characteristic flavor in concise form; that flavor being uncannily like a laughing skeptic if not a cynic, until you work your way through to the other side. I see it's posted in toto at a wholly respectable edu site: http://faculty.smu.edu/nschwart/2312/lifeyousave.htm

-A Good Man Is Hard to Find. (An old lady encounters a serial killer in rural Georgia.)

-Good Country People. (Hulga, a philosophy student with a wooden leg, falls in love with a Bible salesman. Based on a true story (see the notes in LoA volume).)

-A Temple of the Holy Ghost.

-The River.

-Everything that Rises Must Converge.

Her collected letters, The Habit of Being, is *very* good; it was critical to my own adult conversion to Catholicism.

Her essays on literature and the art of writing, a volume called Mystery and Manners, is excellent.

The one-volume Library of America edition of her work is extremely well done. It has a very good selection of her letters, with different and sometimes better notes than are in the earlier-published Habit of Being (there are many interesting biographical details in the notes in the LoA edition that I have not seen elsewhere). It includes most of her important essays, her two novels, and all or most of her short stories. All in one handy volume with a superb introduction.

The Complete Stories is valuable for the Introduction by her frequent editor and publisher, Robert Giroux, in addition to the stories of course.
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>>9861357
>crypto-Juwe detected
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>>9861960
The KJV is not divinely inspired, it is a heretic-monarch's perversion.
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>>9862941
Thanks for the List, Anon. I will check out the LoA Edition.
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Come onto the Christianity general on /pol/
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>>9863930
Link me, Anon. I can't see any ChrisGen thread up.
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>>9862941
Love to see O'Connor getting her recognition.
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>>9851926
I like Meister Eckhart. Also Benedictine thought and stuff like Pseudo-Dionysius are interesting.
Especially if you come at after reading some Chan and Zen Buddhism.
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>>9864846
Meister Eckhart? Any specific titles?
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What's lit's recommended translation of Augustine's Confessions?
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>>9865804
No, nothing specific. I have a German summary of some of his core texts and sermons, without any comments.

I'm not a Christian at all (anymore), but greatly appreciate his ideas. He was way before his time. And he was constantly hounded by the Church and brothers of the cloth.
I think in the end he was convicted of heresy.

Also some nice prose (at least in German) if I remember correctly. It's been a while.
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>>9866180
Ah, ah fellow Kraut. Well thanks, I just hope it's not too purple.
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>>9866111
F. J. Sheed's.
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>>9866180
>I think in the end he was convicted of heresy.
23 of his propositions were found heretical because of ambiguity of language that lends itself to pantheism. These propositions were lost. He wasn't exactly hounded, he was invited and a commission found him guilty, he redacted and end of story.
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>>9851931
>spending time making posts like this
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>>9866861
Passt schon. Frag einfach den Buchhändler deines Vertrauens.
>>9868022
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he flirted with Luther-like protestant ideas. And I think he was convicted after his death, which is why his sermons were kinda forgotten for a while, except for the edgy monks who copied them anyway.
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