Why is Ayn Rands work so hated?

>>9814444

Socialist hateboner.

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i unironically like rand. not so much the politics. AS is a great read, altho ofc the Big Speech is pretty tired imho.

but as creative writing teachers go she would be fucking awesome to have. no fucking slacking in that class. she's roast you alive if you showed up w/o your arguments in a row. big fan.

>>9814444
Baby's first self-interest philosophy.

*are

>>9814470
Zizek would make her cry.

Womemes....

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>>9814527
he would. and she'd deserve it, too. objectivism a meme philosophy for dipshits. it's one of the things i always wondered about rand, how she starts out being in love with victor hugo and writes in the end this gigantic Fuck You to the common man. people getting carried away with their own thoughts. she could write a pretty good sentence, still.

but creative writing masterclass tho. that's what it's all about. not the philosophy, or the politics, or any of that. just in being able to be a world-class shit-test for creative writing students. so that things don't get *too* loosy-goosey and postmodern before they've been, first, *thoroughly* modern. modernism had its charms also

>objectivism unironically destroys irrational belives

thats why boy

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>>9814444
Her literature are linked to some of the most obnoxious political stances in recent history. Her utopia is a nightmare, and high shots in the US government have tried to reach it for decades.

Also she really sucks at creative writing.

>>9814444
its hated because they cant refute it. If you look at most of her haters all they do is trowing ad hominems at here. Nothing else. Her work is not without fault but at least it should be discussed in a constructive way, something lefties aren't capable off.

>>9814444
worst quads ever

saged

why do we not still have the "no discussion of rand" rule anymore?

in europe edgy middle-class teens with limited life experience read marx..... in 'murrica its rand

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>>9814941
same person

>>9814941
>in europe edgy middle-class teens with limited life experience read marx..... in 'murrica its rand
and now tell me for which society you see a further and for which don't. I live in Europe its a fucking socialist hell hole.

Better to be hated than liked if you are a book or a writer.

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>>9814963
>further and for

>>9814970
>further and for
future, I clicked the wrong word in the spell check, sorry i triggered you.

>>9814978
this isn't your everyday ESL teen
this is an advanced ESL teen

>>9814990
good 4 him

There is legit not a single country in Europe where the majority of the means of production are owned by the workers. Shut up you ignorant fuck and at least look up the definitions of the things you are criticising.

>>9814444
More like the people who worship her are hated, and rightfully so. They're all assholes who hate poor people

>>9814941
edgy middle class teens w/limited life experience in America don't read, they go eventually end up on /pol/ or r/thedonald

>>9814955
...the stats disagree

>>9815918
or perhaps even /lit/ where they shitpost about philosophy while their only knowledge from the subject comes from wikipedia pages or youtube vids

>>9815343
>means of production
Yeah you cant own brains.

>>9814444
collectivists/Marxists in academia.

I've only read anthem. It was a cute dystopian novel. It would have been a much better book in the hands of another author desu. The political message is a little too front and center but on the whole pretty good.

>>9814544
>objectivism a meme philosophy for dipshits
brainlet detected

>>9814444
I've read Anthem and Atlas Shrugged and both seemed to be unrealistic and based upon mary sues. Her prose and themes are stunted to the point of irrelevancy. I'm not saying her philosophy is invalid but that she presents it in a terrible light.

>>9815887
I'm poor and I enjoy Rand's work. She's an advocate of romanticism, which i've always been fond of, and the idea that man should strive toward beauty and structure in art instead of, as she puts it, the mindless noise of modern art.
She held onto her values despite the very serious backlash she received during her lifetime and, considering she often discussed the importance of moral integrity, it shows that she wasn't trying to be controversial just for the thrill of it but actually believed in what she was saying.
I don't know enough about economics to say whether her views on laissez-faire capitalism hold up, but I don't understand why her other views, which involve independence, rationality, and the importance of moral-values and integrity, aren't touched on, and up until now i've never discussed her works much less heard discussion about her works outside of the company of a friend I had growing up.

>>9816054
Whoa.. a fiction novel is unrealistic and full of idealized characters. Imagine that.

If you want a critical portrayal then read her non-fiction.

>>9816073
It wasn't that it was unrealistic but that the plot was shoehorned to fit her philosophy which weakened the whole novel. Yes, characters are unrealistic but hardly any character is unrealistic because it serves an ideological purpose.

literature is a guys club. no vaginas allowed.

>>9816100
Ok then I agree, but overall it's not nearly as bad as people that can't get passed the politics make it out to be.

>>9816054
The ideal man is a mary sue desu and theres nothing wrong with that in fiction. Achilles doesn't grow as a character in the iliad, he starts the story being incredibly powerful, with set goals and convictions. Like >>9816071 mentioned I think it was Ayn Rand's intent to portray man as an icon or towering figure.

>>9816112
Anthem was complete shit either way. If you changed the ending it wouldn't be different than any other "one day the protagonist realized he was different" distopian novel.

You know what? I respect Annie. She lived a hard life, saw the worst that Soviet Russia had to over as a young girl (her father, a small time businessman, was branded a bourgeoisie sympathizer and had his life's work shuttered.)

She came to the U.S and went on a hypercapitalist tear, and frankly, I don't blame her. She scorned American liberals with bitter venom because she knew their policies were supporting the misery she experienced at a tender age.

At the same time, she was also a wicked bitch. She was as heartless as Secretary Stalin in her pursuit of her own desires.

Not to mention her philosophy of objectivism is completely bogus and is filled with empty truisms and meaningless tautologies such as "existence exists."

>>9814444
Her philosophy fails in two respects, if you want a highly condensed answer. Anyone edgy enough to think altruism is a bad thing, rands philosophy doesn't go far enough [IE full on Stirner]. Anyone nonedgy [aka fucking normal] would dismiss anything else she has to say out of hand for that alone. And her works are merely spoonfeeding her worldview.

>>9816143
It doesnt say altruism is a good thing dumbass, it says state enforced altruism isnt altruism and it goes against the natural order. Im not big on her philosophy but come on.