People like to make fun of him for writing primarily in blog

John Rawls.

>>9782879
Is this a joke? Rawls isn't a philosopher, he's a hired liberal apologist.

>>9782879
I guess you weren't aware of Moldbug BTFOing Rawls into oblivion.
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/rawlsian-god-cryptocalvinism-in-action.html
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/what-if-theres-no-such-thing-as-chaotic.html
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/idealism-is-not-great.html

>>9782892

A Theory of Justice has framed the conversation of political philosophy since its publication almost 50 years ago. It has been inescapable, for good or ill.

Moldbug is a literally-who outside of the fringe blogosphere and the Randianesque reading groups of Silicon Valley's emotionally stunted billionaires club.

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>>9782892
Anon is correct, just because you don't like his ideas doesn't mean it isn't true
I think Moldbug brought some fresh ideas, even if some of it is rehashed

I think he and Nick Land would cringe however how the simpleton cancer that is the alt right is devouring and polluting their ideas, but I guess it doesn't matter - their child neoreaction is to be consumed by the rulers, the autright pawns can be thrown in the fire when necessary

>>9782898

The fact that Moldbug feels compelled to respond to Rawls is only an indication of the latter's basic canonization, you obsequious little fart.

>>9782911
>Moldbug is a literally-who outside of the fringe blogosphere and the Randianesque reading groups of Silicon Valley's emotionally stunted billionaires club.

That "emotionally stunted billionaires club" is tremendously powerful and influential, in ways far beyond the political. So if they're reading Moldbug then I'd say Moldbug has a pretty important audience.

>>9782911
>Moldbug is a literally-who outside of the fringe blogosphere and the Randianesque reading groups of Silicon Valley's emotionally stunted billionaires club
I forgot to say this, so let me second this

The ideological reach of Silicon Valley shouldn't be underestimated though

>>9782911
>LOL this guy who started writing and was completely unknown 10 years ago is only read by Silicon Valley billionaires what a loser xd

Somebody really needs to print all of Moldbug's work in book form, for posterity and to preserve it.

>>9782912
>I think he and Nick Land would cringe however how the simpleton cancer that is the alt right is devouring and polluting their ideas
I know very few Alt-Righters who read or even know Nick Land and as pathetic as it sounds the Alt-Right has already degenerated to the point where only the leaders and old guard have read Moldbug.

>>9782925
>>9782920

It's literally just Peter Thiel reading on the toilet while watching bonded in the mirror.

>>9782935
The "alt-right" literally doesn't exist.

>>9782918
Rawls is a stand-in for all mainstream post-WW2 liberal philosophy, unlike Moldbug he didn't really contribute anything unique.

>>9782877
>most important works of political philosophy ever are Leviathan and The Prince
Sometimes I wonder how many books the average /lit/ poster actually reads

>>9782943
It literally does and refers to hubs and figures with an easily recognizable set of beliefs, aesthetics, and rhetoric like Richard Spencer, Daily Stormer, therightstuff, Identity Evropa, etc.

>>9782952
Name someone then.

>>9782947

Moldbug is a stand-in for Carlyle's techno-futurist cyborg avatar, he didn't really contribute anything unique.

See how easy that is?

>>9782973
>Carlyle's techno-futurist cyborg avatar
Okay but this didn't exist until Moldbug.

>>9782979

Neither did Rawls' formulation of the 'principles of justice' prior to him.

>not believing in biology or whatever
Scratch that, it was a typo.

>>9782953
No, it does not. It's an American Media buzzword to refer to anyone who isn't a neoconservative. Before the recent US presidential election it was rarely used to refer to Neoreactionaries but now it has been redefined as a scare word and lumps people of vastly different ideological and philosophical backgrounds together (Rand Paul and Mussolini were recently compared in an article I saw, for example).

The fact that a handful of idealogues on the right took this term and wore it as a badge of honor (IE, Richard Spencer) doesn't change this fact.

>>9782943
>The "alt-right" literally doesn't exist.
Because you don't like it, right? But seriously the way I use it is just an umbrella term for a new kind of right with online presence - and it encompases all kinds of rightwing ideologies.

And maybe unfairly, I differentiate between low and high culture alt-right: alt-right the low, and neoreaction the high. There are also some actual fascists but they are not new, so I don't consider them alt-right.
>>9782935
I keep track of all kinds of fringe political movements on a 'certain site' (yes, that one), and it has one dark enlightenment 'board', and the posts there are of as low intellectual content (read sensational) as you'll find on the more typical and numerous alt-right 'boards'.

I think how I classify the stuff in this post could be critiqued. I consider old school fascism and dark enlightenment, and maybe some of the more fringe ideologies, as the more intelligent ones. While stuff like the alt-right, the /pol/ and the_donald kind as the more populist and less intellectual ones.

Feel free to disagree and point out where you disagree.

>>9783028
>and it has one dark enlightenment 'board', and the posts there are of as low intellectual content (read sensational)
I could see how this reflects THAT site more as the actual dark enlightenment, but it does mean - I believe - that it is being appropriated.

>>9782995
>The fact that a handful of idealogues on the right took this term and wore it as a badge of honor (IE, Richard Spencer) doesn't change this fact.

It's more likely that you don't know what you're talking about. Spencer coined the term and has always promoted white ethnostates. Alt right has a loose ideological framework but ultimately involves whites separating themselves and most importantly removing jews from their homelands. That jews and clingers on try to make the term mean something else is inconsequential.

>>9783077
So, what's the deal with /pol/ not liking him, just fun and games?
And what's the difference between /pol/ and stormfront?

>>9782877
Adolf Hitler by the sheer power of his existence alone.

>>9783028
Moldbug doesn't really have anything to do with fascism. His "formalism" is basically tweaked libertarianism. His worldview is actually very mechanistic and nihilistic. He has developed some new ideas, yes, but he is essentially another dreary Improver of Humanity.

Fascism is either a form of socialism/populism or it's a kind of radical political idealism.

>>9783102
I've never been a pol person, but pol these days is full of jews trying to d&c the right, so that's why the label is cast negatively aside. Stormfront has also long been considered a honeypot.

Very different strains of white nationalists have coalesced behind the alt right label for strategic purposes -- to convey a united front instead of bickering about minutiae that detracts from the greater goal. It's not a perfect label, and I personally don't like it, but I can appreciate the need for solidarity under one label, whatever it happens to be.

>>9783028
>I keep track of all kinds of fringe political movements on a 'certain site' (yes, that one), and it has one dark enlightenment 'board', and the posts there are of as low intellectual content (read sensational) as you'll find on the more typical and numerous alt-right 'boards'.
That's because most of the people there are alt-righters at heart pretending to be rationalists and wanting Moldbug-senpai to notice them. DE is defined by its main writers, not their fanboys.

>>9783134
>Moldbug doesn't really have anything to do with fascism.
I'm not saying that.
Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it because it is not that relevant, but I also checked out some fascist community and they stroke me as rather intelligent in comparison to the 'alt-right' (which means different things to different people and is used as an umbrella term).
>>9783159
I think you are correct.

>>9783159
This post represents the kind of muddying of terms that leads people who are unfamiliar with these movements to become confused. Moldbug is a jew. The alt right takes a strong position against jews. Therefore, people who are actually associated with the alt right are not going to be wanting "moldbug senpai" to notice them -- they'll be telling him to move to Israel or gas himself.

>>9783195
>having a Jewish father = being a Jew

>>9783211
Unironically, yeah. Jewishness is genetic, and even quarter jews like Tim Wise can display full-blown characteristics of the jewish sickness.

>>9783195
While this is true for the rabid foot soldiers some of the main figures such as Seventh Son and Mike Enoch of TRS fame have said Moldbug was seminal to their "redpilling" process. I'm sure this is true of others though increasingly less so.

>>9783437
cute americans and their soundbites and irrelevant sub sub movements

>>9783437
I'm aware and am not downplaying the connection too much. But ultimately once the jewish question becomes understood by someone it puts moldbug into perspective. He's a jew whose beliefs were of course shaped by his jewishness and resulted in subversive tendencies, like his labeling of "the cathedral." I don't think any white nationalists/alt rightists/etc. are clamoring for his attention these days even if he was a stepping stone in their awakening.

>>9783489
So where are from and why does it bother you that white people are speaking openly about their interests?

>>9782995
>It's an American Media buzzword to refer to anyone who isn't a neoconservative.

Do those people exist? If so, the alt-right exists

>>9782995
It's the "postmodern right"

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>>9782911
>Silicon Valley's emotionally stunted billionaires club.
Can I join?

>>9782925
>>9782911
Academic Philosophers are very threatened by the fringe blogosphere, even if their blogs only have 10 regular viewers that's 9 more than most academics who have literally no audience or influence.

>>9783583
>tfw you'll never be some chucklefuck in 2005 or so who lent Mark Zuckerberg a few thousand dollars in exchange for the promise of some shares of Facebook stock

>>9783582
You couldn't be more wrong. It represents the exact opposite: the antithesis of, or the fix to, the postmodern identity crisis.

>>9783612
By adapting and relying on the postmodern condition...

>>9783635
It's a natural reaction to the negative effect postmodernism had on European people's sense of identity. It is reconstructing what was deconstructed.

>>9783612
The Alt-Right has embraced post-modernism they've taken it to the next level, plus they've actually managed to successfully implement it unlike the left.

>>9783646
Nah, dude. Postmodernism is over. The alt right represents the next, coming movement and is antithetical to postmodernism.

>>9783645
It's the natural reaction to the negative effect the conditions of postmodernity had on Europeans, not postmodernism. Postmodernism (the leftist kind) is also a natural reaction and it doesn't deconstruct, it is the result of deconstruction.

Regardless, alt-right is just postmodern right, like postmodernism is alt-left, i.e. not modernist left. It's no coincidence the 'alt-right' is so concerned with media representation and is so fractured, drawing on a diverse range of historical examples of traditionalism, secularism, libertarianism, religion, modernism, fascism, etc. as proposed solutions to the postmodern problem

>>9783664
It's hard to say postmodernism is over when postmodern criticism is still so relevant to contemporary society. The alt-right hasn't (unwittingly) adopted its arguments because it's over, they're just pointing out different targets

>>9783673
I know you want to pretend you understand what postmodernism is, but you clearly do not. Postmodernism was a jewish movement that set out to fracture and deconstruct white people's culture and identity. Now it's over, and what is taking its place is the reconstruction and revitalization of European culture and identity.

>>9783698
Doesn't matter, the point is postmodernity precedes postmodernism

>>9783680
It's not relevant and hasn't been relevant for some years now. The people pretending it's still relevant, along with the rotting academic institutions they belong to, are the greatest examples of this irrelevancy.

>>9783709
>The people pretending it's still relevant, along with the rotting academic institutions they belong to, are the greatest examples of this irrelevancy.

This is literally a postmodern argument. Can you not hear someone in the 60s saying the exact same thing?

>>9783705
Your words don't mean anything because you clearly don't understand what you're trying to talk about.

>>9783715
Postmodernism doesn't mean what you think it means because you don't understand it was a meaningless jewish movement to destroy the things the alt right, in its own way, is now trying to rebuild and reconstruct.

>>9783725
By using the meaningless jewish movement against itself.

>>9783734
No. All postmodernism was was the inversion of European culture and identity -- it's as simple as that. European philosophy strives for meaning and truth, jewish postmodern philosophy says there is no meaning or truth. This is how jews think and operate, and postmodernism is a reflection of their nature, which defines itself in opposition to European nature.

I know people like and want to believe that postmodernism is something real and complicated, but it's actually very simple if you understand how the jewish mind operates.

>>9783770
Literally none of this argument matters. The point is the tenets of the argument are being turned against itself by the alt-right, no matter what you or I think the argument is.

>>9783698
"European identity" doesn't exist and has never existed. Europe is comprised of many different races and nationalities. What used to exist was not "Europe" but "Christendom". But Christianity is dead, and Europe is dead with it.

America has barely begun. The last thing America needs is a reinstitution and resuscitation of the old European powers, the kings, the bishops, the popes. Europe needs to die before America can flourish. America has always wanted Europe to die.

>>9783770
So was Nietzsche a Jew? Nietzsche was, by your definition, the first postmodernist, because he rejected reason and believed that all truth was relative.

>>9783791
Of course it matters. But I don't even know what you're trying to say because apparently you're too afraid to elaborate beyond a mere sentence or two.

>>9783803
the irony is nietzsche is actually more sympathetic to catholics, he hated protestants mostly, which would make pre-modern if anything, but he's also post-modern, i guess you could say he's beyond pre-modern and post-modern

>>9783793
Of course European identity exists. How the net in the looney bin?

>>9783803
I didn't say the jews invented the tenets of what became postmodernism. They merely took certain ideas to their logical conclusions and defined them in their favor through institutional control.

>>9783816
Nietzsche criticism of Christianity is really fucking weak, he was really ignorant of Christian doctrine or philosophy.

>>9783816
Nietzsche didn't like any kind of Christianity.
>>9783817
Europeans never identified themselves as "Europeans". They were German, French, Italian, English, Polish, Spanish, etc. These different countries fought against each other frequently. What united them was Christianity. They didn't hate niggers or Arabs because they were "non-European" or "non-white", but because they were heathens.
>>9783822
You're saying that the people who promote "social equality" and "freedom" do not believe that equality and freedom are unquestionably Good? Liberals believe in absolutes, always did.

>>9783813
I have but you ignore it. The condition of postmodernity precedes the 'movement' of postmodernism. Postmodernity is 'advanced' capitalism in an electronic, post-war age, and these conditions shape how we experience the world/reality. Reality is mediated through TV, images, etc. all created with an agenda in mind. You claim it's the Jews, the postmodernists claim it's the capitalists (or the communists), it doesn't matter -- the point is they use the same argument. Distrust of institutions? Postmodern, except now the distrust is of the liberal institutions that have adopted the postmodernist arguments.

>>9783834
Well Christianity is gone, and it's not coming back, nor should it. Scope changes as well, and there very clearly is a "European people" who are united in cultural similarity, interest, and genetic composition.

Liberals take their cues from jews, and jews are authoritarian semites from the middle east who don't think in terms of nuance. Therefore neither do those who follow their belief systems, Christians historically included. Other than that, "freedom" and "equality" are abstract ideas that are not worth focusing too much on. We need to move away from abstractions like that.

>>9783842
>Postmodernity is 'advanced' capitalism in an electronic, post-war age, and these conditions shape how we experience the world/reality.
This is where you're getting hung up. Those things in and of themselves are not what causes the condition. It's the people who shape how they are implemented. TV is a prime example, and since what has been conveyed through that medium has been created jews, it becomes to no surprise a reflection of them, as I was saying.

Think in terms of people, not things with minds of their own. It's not about capitalism vs communism, it's about jew vs gentile.

>>9783882

>jews

This is where you're getting hung up. And anyway, if a relatively miniscule fraction of the population has nevertheless been able to elevate or insinuate its members into positions of such power and wide-reaching influence, maybe it's because they are simply *better* than everyone else. Better adapted, and more adaptable to wildly changing fortunes, including multiple, concerted attempts to annihilate them.

>>9783882
No, they are the condition. They're the material conditions of our age. These conditions are our reality

>as I was saying.

Yes and as I was saying it literally doesn't matter. The postmodern criticism of the conditions is adopted by the alt-right. Same criticism but the scope is expanded to include the whole post-Enlightenment liberal project, even if some of the proposed solutions only exist because of Enlightenment thinking (rationalism, fascism)

>>9783906
Typical jew here. When he can't argue the point he goes right to the 'jews must be better than whites' argument, despite the fact that every component of the modern world being discussed was created and developed by whites. Being better at lying and taking over other people's institutions through ethnic nepotism is no virtue; it's the opposite.

>>9783928

lol whatever you say, you're still under my thumb

pussy bitch cry more

>>9783928
>every component of the modern world being discussed was created and developed by whites
Jew-admixed whites, for the most part.

>>9783922
Who implements them defines the condition. Stop being obtuse. These are functions of human creation.

>The postmodern criticism of the conditions is adopted by the alt-right
Lol ... no, it's not -- it's *gasp* just regular old criticism.

You can always tell when someone is too immersed in postmodern jewish logic.

>>9783936
The words of a man who knows he lost the argument. Thanks for playing, Moshe.

>>9783938
Negative.

>>9783946
>Who implements them defines the condition.

I'm not disagreeing, but you're missing the point again. The origins of the condition don't change the argument itself, only the targets.

>Lol ... no, it's not -- it's *gasp* just regular old criticism.

Yes, it is Marxist criticism, which is 'regular old' criticism.

>>9783961
The postmodern condition is a reflection of what the postwar jewish elites who took over institutional and cultural control in the west. You're essentially saying it would have turned out the same way regardless because of the machinery. But I'm telling you it turned out the way it did because of who was in control of that machinery and that we would have never had a 'postmodern condition' if Europeans were in control of it.

You're simply wrong on the Marxist point of the alt right. Some use similar tactics because they're effective but the movement itself represents the exact opposite. You're confusing the parts with the whole, and it's making you unable to understand the whole.

While we are on the subject of juden, how's Culture of Critique? Is it acceptable scholarship?

>>9783986
It's a must read. Why haven't you already read it, friend?

>>9783077
>. Spencer coined the term and has always promoted white ethnostates
Why should I care who coined it? What's relevant is how it's used now. I doubt if the nazis coined the phrase "national socialist," but only a moron would you use it to describe to describe a patriot who happens to support social benefits

>>9783985
>The postmodern condition is a reflection of what the postwar jewish elites who took over institutional and cultural control in the west.

Again, I don't disagree. Again, you're missing the point.

>You're essentially saying it would have turned out the same way regardless because of the machinery.

No, I'm saying the target of postmodern criticism changes from 'the capitalists' to 'the Jews'. I'm saying nothing about the development of the conditions, only that they exist and we find ourselves in similar conditions today as the postmodernists did 50 years ago. There's nothing more to say on this point.

>Some use similar tactics because they're effective but the movement itself represents the exact opposite.

Yes, the application of postmodern arguments leveled at different targets results in different outcomes. This doesn't change what I'm saying at all and if you were paying attention instead of trying to shoehorn in your argument against the Jews you would have recognised this in the beginning and not wasted all this time. You're not arguing against me, you're just doing exactly what I'm describing.

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>>9783858
>Well Christianity is gone, and it's not coming back, nor should it.

Says you.

>>9783946
Postmodernist criticism is almost definitionally the most successful form of criticism

You're acting like postmodernism is an intellectual alliance instead of a group of methodologies

I know what you're trying to say, but you're using the term "postmodern" incorrectly. I don't expect you to change your mind about it now, because people go tunnel-vision in argumentative situations, but maybe you should look more into it later (if only to have a better understanding of your enemies)

You could be saying the thing that you're saying more accurately if you knew how to describe your enemy. What you're doing now is like shit talking modern politicians by decrying "governance" and saying that your cool new rebel group doesn't use any "governance" you just "make rules"

>>9784004
In a western world with politics stuck in an abyss of jewish lies and subversion, it becomes relevant. I know what CNN inter alia wants the term "alt right" to mean, and it's very different from what the person who coined it and is arguably the leader of it intended.

>>9784020
Smash the system!

>>9784020
>alt right
>more like cuck right amirite ?

>>9783793
>"European identity" doesn't exist and has never existed
There is such a thing as the West. Sorry senpai

>>9784010
You've been very strange and incoherent arguments this whole time, likely because these things are not straightened out in your head. That some on the alt right read and try to use ideas from Rules for Radicals does not make the movement itself an extension of postmodernism. Since as I've been telling you it is a reaction against it and something entirely different. Postmodernism was an aberration that reflected the jews who were able to cease instituonal power from whites by guilt tripping them about WWII.

>>9784016
>What you're doing now is like shit talking modern politicians by decrying "governance" and saying that your cool new rebel group doesn't use any "governance" you just "make rules"

Why would you expect me to respect your argument when you misjudge my own so badly?

>Postmodernist criticism is almost definitionally the most successful form of criticism
No, it's not. It is jewish inversion based on relativism that was devised to eradicate any hierarchy of thought.

It's you, dear fellow, who doesn't know what he's talking about here.

>>9783993
Because I'm too busy autodidacting Aristotle

>>9784049
It's possible I'm misunderstanding your position, but I kind of doubt it. It's not like I'm infallible, though. It might help me if you tell me what you mean by "postmodern" in a more comprehensive way than "this thing is postmodern" and "this thing isn't postmodern"

>>9784036
My arguments have been coherent but you've been unable to reconcile them in your head with your own arguments. I've done it for you several times already.

>That some on the alt right read and try to use ideas from Rules for Radicals does not make the movement itself an extension of postmodernism.

No, having your arguments be remarkably similar to postmodern arguments but directed at different targets makes it an extension of postmodernism, by which I mean an intellectual and cultural response to the conditions of postmodernity.

If you had any sense of history this wouldn't be so confusing for you.

>>9782877
Since you're a right-winger I won't list off all of them but here's a few:

De Maistre
Burke
Evola
Nietzsche
Heidegger

>>9784087
More or less.
>>9783770

>>9784093
No, they haven't. Your argument has been full of 'I don't cares' and 'it doesn't matters' and you seem incapable of providing specifics.

The alt right is not an extension of postmodernism, postmodernism is dead, and the ethnonationalist movements moving in to replace it are by their very nature almost exactly the opposite. They seek to repair the postmodern damage. In other words, you are wrong.

>>9784103
So you're defining postmodernism as the systematic destruction of Western values? In that case you're right about not being postmodernist, but that seems like a pretty idiosyncratic way to use the word. You should expect people to be confused, most define it by certain methods and not by particular goals

>>9783717
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>>9783717
>>9783717
>>9783717


Applies to almost everything in this thread? Please tell me, why do psuedo-intellectuals on the right insist on using "Postmodernism" as a virtual pronoun for anything they don't like?

There is no one, succinct, useful definition for the word "Postmodern" and I doubt most of the people in here ramming on about it could deliver a good definition.

>>9782877
>irrelevant austrian economics sperg who makes harry potter and princess bride references in his political manifesto is more important than marx

jesus christ you're fucking trash. quit pretending you've read anything other than shit with bowtied libertarians or naked elves on the cover. and while you're at it, quit spamming this shit here. no one here cares about moldbug, and this astroturfing couldn't be more obvious. yeah, nerds, the problem with the world is that the rich don't have enough power. wanting jeff bezos to be king is the new punk rock.

what important political philosophers has moldbug influenced, btw? excluding land who champions him as a goof. aurini? matt forney? one of those fake tradwife twitter accounts?

>>9784115
>you seem incapable of providing specifics.

You seem incapable of processing my answers.

>postmodernism is dead

No, the criticisms are still relevant today. I've told you one about the distrust of institutions like politics and the media because information can be manipulated and there doesn't seem to be any concern for rationalism or reasoning. Rigidity of institutions punishing those who are disenfranchised by them is a postmodern criticism. There's also the 'disappearance of a sense of history' because after the capitalist West emerged from the war victorious it seemed the only viable ideology. Within Western capitalism there is, theoretically at least, a belief in rational and non-violent argument, but institutions had prevented this from occurring fairly (through its manipulations), whether you believe the institutions were Jewish or not -- they only looked out for themselves. Another criticism is how material wealth has basic needs covered, advertising and marketing fabricate desires that play into mass consumerism and a dulling of culture. People care more about commodities than each other. There was also the problem of there being an overload of information and an inability to form a cohesive idea of reality. This is detrimental to the idea of class struggle which was a leftist 'truth' based on history. To the alt-right it is detrimental to the idea of ethnonationalism.

Postmodern scepticism is ultimately predicated on a belief in Enlightenment rationalism which is as Western an idea as any. The scepticism is based on how the reality presented to us in modern city living can easily be manipulated for the ends of the ruling class. You don't have to think too hard on how this applies to the criticism of the alt-right as well. Is forced multiculturalism based on postmodern precedent? Sure. Is it a pure representation of postmodern thought facilitated by a well-meaning institution? Not at all.

We're being controlled and we don't know how to exist as united people. The left has been saying this for over half a century, then they got political control by way of the New Left in the 90s and thus became the institution they set out to criticise in the first place. Queue the alt-right and we have today's political climate.

>>9784087
It's yet another term that means little more than "jew"

I can be applied to everything these mushbrained LARPers like >>9784115 want to pretend is the *real* reason they have to hide their pisscan ideology from everyone else in their life.

Look at >>9784115

That post is the distillation of everything wrong, useless, and self-defeating in the right. There's nothing of the clarity or destructive creativity of Land or Moldbug. It's anonymous rats, lying about being well read, pretending to know what they're talking about, but sounding like a teenager that watches Jordan Peterson videos and jerks off to BLACKED.

>ethnonationalist movements moving in to replace it

PLEASE, my fucking god. Where do you see this happening? What hysterical fantasy are you living in? We're not winning! There is no inevitability around this, no world-spirit riding a fucking white horse to neoclassical ethnonationalism.

We need adults who can string together sentences that aren't made of meme words.

>>9784126
I am well aware that people who have been told their whole, likely short, lives that postmodernism is something real and worthy of deep exploration will be resistant to the notion that it is simply a jewish inversion western values and ideals, but it's still the most accurate way to understand it. I, too, spent many countless hours reading postmodern thinkers and believing that they were saying something of value before I understood the jewish problem. But we live and we learn...

>>9784135
Ah, a true believer!

Tell us, good friend from mental world's of wonder, what did you learn about neoideodoctrinary persuasion today?

>>9784171
I don't care about your argument anymore. Being of the opinion that the alt right is an extension of postmodernism when it is quite clearly the opposite is no longer a idea I want to waste my time entertaining. Sorry.

>>9784191
learn to proofread your posts before trying to sound smart

>>9783834
>They didn't hate niggers or Arabs because they were "non-European" or "non-white", but because they were heathens.

You're fucking delusional if you believe this.

>>9784175
Look at the juvenile emotionality you display in this post. And yet I bet you wonder with regularity why the world is so strange and confusing. Behave like an adult and you might actually get somewhere someday.

>>9784179
It's not a matter of being "real" or "worthy of exploration", it's literally a matter of defining by ends or means. It sounds to me like you've settled on defining by "ends", which is a valid (if less common ( way to do it. I'm not sure why you seem to believe that defining the term by "means" is necessarily to be a brainwashed brainlet, and the condescension makes me think your position isn't particularly well thought out (based on the fact that people who utilize condescension and statements in lieu of elaborations generally have less development worldviews, ex Rabid SJW's)

>>9784200
Yup. Just so you know any further reply to this or other posts of yours isn't coming from me.

>>9784202
Nothing in my post was unintended. I guess you're just not thinking postmodern enough.

>>9784216
Were you trying to disguise this post as an actual argument?

>>9783828
From what I gathered he was the first person to say that the religion as we know it primary a result of Paul.

This seems to be accepted a true by virtually all top biblical scholars.

What's ironic is that Nietzsche himself was the first guy to make a genuine step towards uncovering the original doctrines of Jesus, while all the celebrated theologies were fooled by Paul's deception.

The fact that a guy who called himself "Anti-Christ" had a better understanding of the religion's teachings than their most celebrated theologians and Saints is so humiliating that it's no wonder that to this day Christians despise the guy.

>>9782911
>Moldbug is a literally-who outside of the fringe blogosphere and the Randianesque reading groups of Silicon Valley's emotionally stunted billionaires club.

You should have stopped at "fringe blogosphere". SV billionaires are not reading Moldbug. Maybe a couple of the ones who are super into libertarianism have heard of him and looked into him a little bit, but nothing more. Most don't even give a shit about libertarianism, much less libertarianism plus autistic CEO kings. There are literally teenage Neo-Nazis with naked anime preteens as their twitter avis who influenced the culture more than Moldbug.

>>9784217
Okay. I think your head is generally in the right place, more than others here -- looking at you true believers -- so good luck.

>>9784209
Not an argument. You're clearly not interested in trying to make a point. Once you've blown your load of meme words I guess there's not really that much to talk about, eh? Why are you even on a literature board, anon?

>>9783938
Literally no evidence for that.

>>9784218
>possessive world

You're retarded, whatever, I guess I can't be surprised. Why can't you stay in /pol/?

>>9784226
I was asking for an argument, not trying to make one. Why, was that supposed to be an answer?

>>9784242
I've made my point over and over in various ways in this thread. What have you done other than storm in late and write some childish screed? Look at that post of yours -- do you really expect anyone to take you seriously after reading that?

Quick, OP and NRx spammers ITT, give me your top 5 favorite books with a brief explanation of why they're your favs.

None of them will respond because they're all fucking tourists trying to make Moldbug into a forced meme. Mods, fucking delete this shit!

>>9784245
I've never posted on pol. And believing someone has does not make what you have to say any more valid. Sorry.

>>9784248
It was my answer to your incoherent mess of a post. Please try to utilize more clarity in your writing if you would like to have a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas.

>>9784254
Moby Dick - the language/prose
Fanged Noumena - the language/prose
Pale Fire - the language/prose
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - the encapsulation of the terror of existence as mere phenomenal slideshow
Ulysses - the language/prose

>>9784265
So "was that supposed to be an argument" was the answer to my question about definition validity?

Clarity doesn't benefit the blind, but I guess this is what I get for trying to ask a non-sequitur machine for elaboration. To the researchers involved in this experiment: your shitposting bot doesn't pass the Turing test quite yet. Keep trying though, the framework is promising

>>9784282
You suffer from the same problem many who have spent a lot of time taking postmodernism seriously do: you cannot express your ideas clearly and think your erudition is defined by abstractness of the argument you're perpetually unable to make. This is a point of intellectual failure on your part. The sooner you get that, the sooner you'll stop wasting the time of people like myself.

>>9784290
As of right now, I've said nothing about postmodern other than that the proposed definition is idiosyncratic. I'm not even a proponent of postmodernism. It would be nice if someone gave an explanation of why the idiosyncratic definition better encapsulates the meaning than the standard definition, it's the thing I've asked about, but it seems pathologizing is easier than explaining

>>9784319
It's not idiosyncratic, it's a reality that is obvious if you have a foundational understanding of the jewish question. If you have that, it's more a matter of pattern recognition, pure noticing: where did the ideas come from? Who's promoting them? What result did they lead to? And how did that result benefit those who were promoting it?

If you bury your head in postmodern texts without attempting to understand the questions above, you're going to take what is being sold at face value, thinking the people selling it are honest in their promotion of it, and therefore never fully understand it. Unfortunately, that's how most people approach postmodernism. Is that more clear?

>>9783566
This movements are not representative of the white population.

>>9783612
in your dreams

>>9783664
This it's just what they think. They are postmodern, they just discovered it decades later.

>>9783698
Just stop with this jewish bullshit. You guys are more obnoxious than 9/11 truthers.

>>9783725
It was not "a jewish movement" you conspiracy retard.

>>9783928
You guys are really retarded.

>>9784115
The ethnonationalist movements are just fascist scum that will lose like fascists always do.

>>9784206
No, you are if you believe otherwise.

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It's occurring that nobody actually reads blogs. Most of what I read is blogs.

>>9784498
*occurring to me

>>9782952
OP is probably some pol sci fagget

>>9782964
fuck you OP for being this stupid, your question is too stupid to even be considered

Lot of yous and no substance but I'll take care of it anyway.

>>9784389
Well, that's a matter of education. Hence me.

>>9784400
There are many things that were once dreams that came true. And no one is better at dreaming things into reality than the white man.

>>9784416
I remain surprised at those who think the alt right is a postmodern movement. Mostly because postmodernism is dead and because it clearly represents the opposite.

>>9784430
Educate yourself on the jewish problem.

>>9784440
Postmodernism is most definitely a jewish movement. There's no question about it.

>>9784480
Fascism hasn't been relevant for many decades. What you need to ask yourself is who is promoting the idea that "fascism" is some big boogeyman, and why are they doing it?

>>9784510
What you need to ask yourself is who is promoting the idea that Jewsare some big boogeyman, and why are they doing it?

>>9784530
There is literally no lack of information about harmful jewish influence in white nations; you have only yourself to blame if you don't want to acknowledge it. Fascism on the other hand was actually the previous century's response to the aforementioned harmful jewish influence, but it hasn't been relevant for a long time. Are you white? If so there's no excuse for you not understanding what I'm talking about.

>>9784510
I'm 1/8 jewish. What's my fate, goy?

>>9783985
>we would have never had a 'postmodern condition' if Europeans were in control of it.
Can you describe some ways of how things would be? You mean if Europeans were in control of universities, televisions, and movies, and news media? How different would things be now? What would be different about those mediums?

>>9783928
>muh virtue
You people are pettier than the liberals. You literally just made up a bullshit moral judgement just because you want something that the Jews have and you don't. It is becoming clearer that jealousy and resentment seem to be the driving force behind ideals of "virtue", and no actual nobility of character.

>>9784545
How strong do you feel that jewish sickness inside of you? It's still there, isn't it?

>>9784557
I dunno. What are the symptoms? I probably would've never even found out I was jewish had I not stumbled upon /pol/.

There is nothing wrong in modern society. There is nothing to recunstruct. All this right wing movements just want to actually destroy western civilization.

>>9784555
I mean, where to start? I'm hesitant to even attempt to imagine how much better things would be for all white people. You should read the Culture of Critique. That's a good start to understanding how much of a negative influence jews have had on our institutions, culture, and society as a whole.

>>9784544
This "information" you talk about is just propaganda.

>>9784566
>There is nothing wrong in modern society
Aside from the fact that the birth rates are below replacement, which means that Western society is literally dying.

>>9784556
This poster offers a good example of how jews are simply incapable of acknowledging that they could have a harmful impact on those whose societies they are squatters in, and will instead choose to pathologize the goyim -- because we are all envious of jews, of course. No white man should be envious of not carrying the tribal, genetic sickness jews do.

>>9784565
Did pol convince you to get a 23andme done?

Quick put your tinfoil hat back on! Before some Jew degenerates you!

>>9784569
Mmm, no ... this is merely your justification for remaining ignorant.

>>9784586
Whatever

>>9784580
Yes, but that wasn't required really. It was quite easy to find the jew in my genealogy by name alone. He had a nice family and seemed like a good person from the anecdotes I've heard. That's why I'm always made uncomfortable by you fervent alt-right types.

>>9784588
On second thought, don't worry about it. Enjoy being 14 for now.

>>9784592
Enjoy being 20, maybe you will grow up some day.

>>9784567
but try to describe a bit what would be different. If Europeans were in control of universities, televisions, and movies, and news media?

There are things you/you people disagree with about the ways of the world. Maybe socio maybe political maybe economic maybe culture (is that what socio is?).

There are specific things you don't like. How would history have been different?
Less immigration? Less illegal immigration? Less race mixing? Less drugs/sex/violence in video games/tvs/movies? Less gender study degrees? Less septum piercings and hair dyes? More white virgins?

Anything else?

>>9784591
No one said there's no nuance to the jewish question. I've dated jewish girls and have worked out of the home of a jew -- they didn't try to kill me or anything. But there is a deeply entrenched genetic component where jews define themselves by their opposition to others. I mean, it's tribal behavior that is explainable, and to them it's natural, but it has a harmful effect on others. I'm being somewhat hyperbolic when I call it a sickness, but not entirely because to a certain degree it is since it pertains to how jews as a people evolved, and I think -- my opinion mostly -- that it was done to jews maliciously by their leaders a long time ago. 1/8 is probably not a big deal at all, most of that is likely gone. Do you identify as a jew? Do you feel jewish?

>>9784591
Jew are people just like anyone else, don't believe this pathetic cowards who blame their failures on jews or blacks or whatever.

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>>9784567
>>9784608
*and banking. and government. The deficit would be a surplus? There wouldn't be lots of military spending with troops all over the world? Wall street would not make as much money?

>>9784608
Yeah, all of those things. It would be very peaceful. See, jews see themselves as outsiders who are threatened by any identity-based strength from the host people they live among. So what they do is try to weaken their host population by promoting the cultural sickness you mentioned, wars, liberal ideologies, immigration -- all of it. Because that protects them. White people aren't threats to jews if we identify as punks and feminists and fill in the blanks, instead of as white people with specific interests, and are corrupted by drugs and every other things jews promote in our societies. They do what's best for them as a group, which is what's bad for us.

>>9784612
This is a meme. Jews are basically just like you and me in modern America. Their religion and ethnicity is rapidly slipping away in favor of cosmopolitan secular liberalism. This is a major tension that you'll notice in the works of Jewish-American writers like Philip Roth. Jews are destroyed as a group if they are assimilated, and they are assimilated.

>>9784020
You know there are real problems in the world, right?

>>9784622
Yes, yes, yes. Jews have infected every facet of western societies and use our nations and institutions to promote their interests. That's why white men are fighting wars in the middle east to protect Israel, that's why the US is used as a power proxy to protect jewish central banking interests across the globe. There is nothing their dirty hands are not deeply involved in. And they are a destructive all around that must be stopped -- it's imperative.

>>9784638

lol gl

>>9784628
That's only partly true though. Many of the little, secular jews are breeding out but the most important jewish families have been in tact for centuries so there's reason to let up under the assumption that the problem will fix itself.

>>9784612
>But there is a deeply entrenched genetic component where jews define themselves by their opposition to others.
Why do you think it's genetic? To me it just seems like something that arose a long time ago by happenstance (perhaps how you suggested, a malicious act done to them) and has perpetuated itself to this day, sort of like religion. Do you think my jewish forebear "felt jewish" if he defected from his tribe and married the goyim? Did he overcome his genetic proclivities or did circumstance just lead to an underdevelopment of that jewish tribalism (in his case he was born in a turbulent post-revolution soviet union)? The latter seems more likely to me. Of course I don't feel jewish. Why would I? I was raised in a secular environment.

>>9784631
Yeah ... I'm addressing them right now. The real question is why aren't you aware of them?

>>9784647
>post-revolution soviet union
I dun goofed.

>>9784626
>>9784638
I cant entirely believe you, I think some humans are naturally sexually promiscuous and stuff, you are just saying there would be hardcore information against it? It would be and would have been really shamed? slut shaming etc.?

So that young girls and boys in highschool would not fool around? And if everyone did marry their highschool or college sweetheart there would be no divorce?

How would banking be different?

And if US didnt have military all over the world, but just sat back, what do you think other nations would do all over the world?

There are ships and bases that help secure trade routes and stuff.

And one important question, do you not believe there are white people that benefit from this jewish stuff? banking, war, immigration, etc.?

Some white people dont benefit (they took our jerbs! they took our gerls! the took our currency value!) but some or many white people do?

you think it would have been possible, for those some who benefit to not have? To resist temptation, or you are saying, if the honest good righteous white men were powerful enough they would not have allowed anyone to get in that position?

>>9784647
I know it's genetic, we know it's genetic because there's been a lot of research done on the subject. But it's very cultural too. Jewish culture, even secular jewish culture, strongly implants in jews the notion that they are different, that they are victims, all this stuff that is actually quite disturbing, but that contributes to this myopic sickness. Their religious books are almost entirely based on the genocide of others. Don't get me started on the Talmud. Jews are hateful people at their roots and have been responsible for so much death over the centuries it's unfathomable.

What I think is that jewishness is tribalism on a scale most whites cannot understand, including myself. It's tribe first always. Maybe some feel it less? Maybe some are self-loathing jews? Is that why many breed out? I don't know. I don't even fault jews for thinking like that -- I admire it and wish whites could learn to think that way more so we could combat it. But ultimately I think it's too destructive a force for us to allow around us anymore. We can only address so much here, but the deeper you go into the jewish problem the more you start thinking like I do, which is that we're talking about a kind of bizarre biological sickness with a penchant to destroy everything in its path then blame everyone else when people get fed up with that behavior.

>>9784648
Why aren't I aware of your opinions about Jews? Honestly, what would you do differently if you were in charge?

>>9784670
>And one important question, do you not believe there are white people that benefit from this jewish stuff? banking, war, immigration, etc.?
A major part of this equation is manipulating others into thinking doing the bidding of jews is beneficial to themselves.

As far as the cultural stuff, I don't think anyone here would disagree that the degeneracy has reached extreme levels. Humans are sexual animals, you can't stop everything, but you can scale it back and promote healthy values conducive to family formation and proper child rearing. And jews promoted the destruction of that, they are why we have this extreme level of degeneracy.

Banking would be different, all of these things would be different. Banking is really the head of the snake here though. It's how jews have gained their power -- by putting nations into debt and making them beholden to them. Debt = urury and they've been using this tool to gain power forever.

White people as a whole are losing big time with jews manning our nations. I blame the whites who are involved more than the jews because the jews are doing what jews have always done. The whites promoting their interests are traitors, and you know what they say about traitors.

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>>9784705
What is the Jewish endgame?

>>9784700
I'd kick out the jews, of course. Whites are very moral people who don't commit a lot of crime and are generally pretty honest. That's why whites create nice societies everyone else wants to move to and institutions everyone else wants to rent seek off of. A white nation without jews and their diversity pets would be building colonies on Mars in a matter of years.

>>9784677
>I know it's genetic, we know it's genetic because there's been a lot of research done on the subject.
I find it hard to believe anyone would do that kind of research in the political climate of the last few decades. Did they actually identify SNPs associated with levels of tribalism or something? We can't even identify all the genes associated with something as hereditary as height or eye color. Do you really think it'd be possible to pinpoint the genes responsible for something as abstract as "level of tribalism"? To me tribalism seems much more likely to be an environmental thing, like religion (most of the time anyway). I know there's not much substance here, I'm just articulating my incredulity.

I have to ask, how would you deal with the jewish problem? Go Hitler's route? Deport them back to israel and cut off financial aid? How would you even identify which indviduals to deal with?

>>9784718
>Whites are very moral people who don't commit a lot of crime and are generally pretty honest. That's why whites create nice societies everyone else wants to move to and institutions everyone else wants to rent seek off of.
I thought the Jews were secretly running these societies, though?

>>9784711
Good question, wish I knew. Since a lot of their behavior is genetic it's hard to tell how much involves them working collectively toward some end game. I think they quite obviously are. We have things like the Kalergi Plan, and their own texts state that they are destined to rule over the world, so I think they think that and work toward that goal. But I also think they are programmed to be authoritarians naturally and are on a lizard brain level always trying to figure out a way to enslave those around them. Do you know what the Daily Shoah is? It's a podcast and this idea was explored on an episode with Andrew Anglin a week or two ago. Check it out, those are just my own quick musings. Hard to say.

>>9784724
Jews are a very cosanguineous group of people. I wouldn't underestimate their ability to understand each other on a 4th cousin basis, since every jew is literally a 4th cousin of every other jew. That's why they have so many genetic diseases.

How would I deal with the jewish problem. I don't know, I would like for them to peacefully move to Israel but find that unlikely. Jews are parasitic by nature, so they need other groups to feed off of or else they eat each other like they do in Israel.

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>>9784729
It's no secret. You know this thing called the Internet? We can see who's running shit now...

>>9784746
That's a frightening way to view a group of people. Luckily I look white so you alt righters will never find me.

>>9784758
I'm just conveying a reality. What's frightening is the lack of self-awareness in the jewish community to understand how their behavior affects others.

>>9784095
The only ones of those that contributed substantially to political philosophy is de Maistre and Burke, who wrote during the French Revolution.

>/pol/ somehow containing itself to its own thread

Jewish tricks.

>>9784751
You missed my point. You claim that we set up these glorious societies that other people want, but also that its the Jews in charge. So who actually makes the desirable societies?

>>9784254
PLEASE MODS I CAN'T STAND TO HAVE A MOLDBUG THREAD EVERY TWO WEEKS, JUST GIVE ME MORE ZIZEK THREADS.

>>9784788
Right. Good question. Whites create nice societies that were previously, for the most part, protected from destructive jewish influence by an aristocracy of European men with a sense of noblesse oblige toward those below them. Jews, as a tribe of authoritarian middle easterners who feel entitled to rule over others, were never satisfied with this, and communism was their fix. They used the lower classes to unseat the aristocracy and promote themselves to power but this didn't really take effect outside of Russia until after WWII. Then there were the jewish civil rights revolutions and feminism that further replaced the European elite in America and elsewhere with people who were more easy to control. So it was a transition, but things have been sliding downward ever since.

>>9784831

Astounding.

>>9784841
Not really. What's astounding are the lengths to which they've gone to make whites believe otherwise.

>>9784831
>Whites create nice societies that were previously, for the most part, protected from destructive jewish influence by an aristocracy of European men with a sense of noblesse oblige toward those below them.
>implying that aristocracy didn't use jews to do their bidding financially
read a history book, faggot

>>9784848
I included the words "for the most part." The elites in places like England were long infiltrated by jews, which is why there's little difference between them now.

>>9784863

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

????

ah, monsieur, is this ugly motherfucker none other than Mencius Moldbug? because if it is, i understand this thread completely, and accept your judgement of his contribution to western philosophy.

>>9784914
???

The jews have been kicked out of just about everywhere, that's not news. And I was referring to the post-Cromwall period up to now anyway so I fail to see the point you're trying to make here.

>>9784705
What percentage of white people would you say benefit from what you would deem 'bad' 'jewish' actions? And of what socio-political-economic strata?

What percentage of the world is 'in a bad state', socio political economically,

and what percentage of that is due to what you would deem 'bad jewsh actions'?

How many people would you say live good lives?

You are focused on how many people living bad lives?

How many causes are you sure you can identify?

How many causes are you sure are necessary and worthy of being cured?

how do you know you and yours are able?

How do you know its the best thing, the right thing to be done?

What percent of the ways of the world are knowably, provably bad?

How difficult would it be to change that?

How much of that falls under the category of freedom and/or law?

>>9782995
It's a real phenomenon, so it's useful to have some kind of term for it. "Alt-right" has just kind of stuck. Of course Rand Paul is not an alt-rightist, but only the very most superficial analyses would call him that.

>all these people saying post-modernism is dead
>tfw it died in 1980
>tfw post-post modernism died in 2008
what the fuck are you niggers babbling about in this thread?

>>9785427
Postmodernism is definitely dead, or at the very least on life support. It was a movement for the boomer generation that allowed their civilization to be led into annihilation by jews who they believed were promoting something worthwhile and legitimate when all it really did was deconstruct and distort European culture while leading us into a future filled with nihilism, degeneracy, and foreign invasions created by institutions we built but which are now being run by a mentally sick tribe of foreign desert vagabonds who are about as noble-minded as a doorknob. Postmodernism is a mirage, there's nothing at the end of it. And we know this because we are at the end of it.

>>9785804
what do you think can be done?

Give me 10 plan ideas

>>9787224
What can be done is what has been done ~359 times -- the number of times jews have been expelled. European men need to retake control of their nations' machinery and implement another jewish expulsion order.

>>9787530
And then what would change, what do you envision changing? Everyone will act differently? And/or be forced to act differently? Explain and describe some of this possible future you envision, follow through with detailing and highlighting your theory and express it.

>>9787530
>>9787652

>>9787652
I mean, there's just no limit of possibilities if whites were to remove jews. Instead of having our institutions, culture, and government being run by a hostile tribe of outsiders promoting dysgenic policies, we could have an aristocracy of strong European men cultivating the best possible outcomes among the populace and leading us into a bright future without degeneracy, invasions, cultural death, and all the other problems that have arrived ensuant with the rise of jewry.

>>9788549
but things arent that bad. How will you eliminate what kinds of degeneracy?

In what ways will cultural death be prevented? what are some aspects of cultural death? Tv, movies, music? You really think its going to make a big difference if people are watching reality shows about meth and jail on TV or if they watching a show about rich european culture, chandeliers and fancy dresses? There are already all types of shows on Tv. You would ban some of the shows. And then people will stop being degenerate? Or that will make the world better some how? Ban certain words and bpm of music? Band violence and sex in movies? You really think this is possible to do?

Have police going around to secret music venues, have police raid the amateur porn set and streaming studio?

Once these few things are done the world will be better, and living in the world where these things are done will be better? And these are the most important things to consider and problems in the world?

What is really so bad about life and the world currently, the nation? What percent of the nation is bad? What percent of those people think they are not living bad?

>>9788581
>what are some aspects of cultural death? Tv, movies, music?
What I often say on here is that it is not the technology or the "system" or capitalism or whatever that is the problem, it is the people in charge of those things.

It's not about running around trying to ban stuff, and that wouldn't be necessary in a healthy white society whose social institutions and the messages conveyed through those institutions was being run by leaders with noblesse oblige.

Look at how people have adapted to anti-racist programming in the jewish era. Whites run around constantly policing each other for wrongthink regarding what is essentially a natural biological response. They *believe* they can get rid of something fundamental to every being on the planet. And the point of saying this is that people are very malleable social creatures. Most go along with whatever they're told is moral and right. If leaders create the right incentives and cultivate cultural health instead of the opposite, which is what is being done by the jews presently in charge, the negative aspects of society can be managed in a positive way for the greater good.

>>9788627
>They *believe* they can get rid of something fundamental to every being on the planet. And the point of saying this is that people are very malleable social creatures. Most go along with whatever they're told is moral and right. If leaders create the right incentives and cultivate cultural health instead of the opposite, which is what is being done by the jews presently in charge, the negative aspects of society can be managed in a positive way for the greater good
That is an interesting premise, theory, proposition. But what if degeneracy, behavior in an amount is fundamental?, what would you consider some of the most degenerate behavior that are the biggest problems, give me a list?

My whole big thing is the difficultly of perceiving the scope and proportion of the problem/s. People go on and on about all these things across the internet, but who knows and how severe are these things we are speaking of and dealing with. How real and severe are the problems of the world? To who? How many? How do you know? Are you certain you perceive how the future will turn out and you are sure there is what percentage of badness in it?

Currently on earth is what percentage of badness? All degenerates must be eliminated? Define all degeneracies. The existence of x number of degenerates, and new degenerates born and/or converted, nefariously indoctrinated, is x amount of the problems in the world?

How different will the world be, what percent different?

The world equals what percent bad now?

What are the qualities of this bad?

An important thing is to make 0% bad in the world?

Give Europeans control of social institutions, and the world will go from ______% bad to _______% bad?

Defined as?

Please answer all these questions. You have been brave enough to present your beliefs into the world, and they appear serious claims, and they appear s if you believe hem, so you must be prepared to defend and represent them as if all the world was watching you now and prepared to implement your self evidently superior plan. These few paltry questions I have just asked would be the least of what would be asked of you in implementing your knowledge of better organization and order.

>>9788667
Unfortunately many of those questions are unanswerable. Who knows what percentage change in degeneracy would occur? I certainly don't, and Europeans have been burdened by jews and jewish ideas like Christianity for so long that it's difficult to imagine how things would be if we were able to actually rid ourselves from the malevolent force they have long wielded in our societies. The internet has been a game changer; having all of this information at our fingertips and social tools like this site where mass numbers of people can collectively synthesize it is unprecedented, but it gives us a wide range of ideas from which to pull from that can be used strategically faster than ever before.

There will always be degeneracy and it is indeed natural for people to engage in hedonistic behavior when allowed, but institutions run by people who feel a responsibility toward those below them would be able to manage that in ways that would be immeasurably more beneficial for those people than it currently is under these malicious jewish outsiders. How much so, I obviously can't say.

I'm trying to answer your questions honestly the best I can, but I'm not claiming to have all the answers; I'm merely trying to educate people about the problem and advance the notion that there is another way.

>>9783217
Ask a Jew about this.

>>9788719
Do you think there is at least a part of it, simply, envy/jealousy if only, and only, in the desire to hold specific positions of power, being held by jewish people?

Like "I wish that was me, if we kicked all these rich powerful jewish people out of these positions, someone like me, hopefully exactly me, would get to be in such a position". Yes, you would do good, but there is still this desire potentially for some white people to push these sentiments (kicking all jews out) because they want them power for themselves? Whether they will Truly Absolutely do what is perfectly best and right with it or not?

What percentage of Jews would you want to kick out of America? What percent of Non whites (according to whos definition) would you want to kick out (or with whites in charge, the currently unruly non whites would be much more better and civil)?

What percentage of your dislike over the current state of things, is sexual, has to do with sex?

>>9788796
>Do you think there is at least a part of it, simply, envy/jealousy
Not in the slightest, I don't want to be a political leader and never have. What this stems from is purely biological in terms of seeing an outside group manipulating your people and leading them into destruction. As a man, I'm obligated to do what I can to stop that. Simple as that.

>What percentage of Jews would you want to kick out of America?
100%. They have their own country, they should go there.

>What percentage of your dislike over the current state of things, is sexual, has to do with sex?
0%, and I don't even understand why that would have anything to do with it. This kind of perverted psychoanalyzing is uniquely jewish, so I'm going to assume you are jewish.

To reiterate, my desire to inform whites about jewish behavior and ultimately remove jews from my society stems entirely from a tribal animal instinct, wherein an outside thread is identified as being harmful to the group I belong to and people like myself in turn engage in tactics to educate others in our group so that we can collectively stop this outside group and remove them from our territories.

>>9783803
>Nietzsche was, by your definition, the first postmodernist, because he rejected reason and believed that all truth was relative.
Astounding that there are people dumb enough to think that this sort of skepticism wasn't around until the 19th century

>>9788796
>Do you think there is at least a part of it, simply, envy/jealousy
This is almost as primitive as the anti semitism you're against. Also a thorough misunderstanding of the reactionary mindset

>>9788853
>>What percentage of your dislike over the current state of things, is sexual, has to do with sex?
>0%, and I don't even understand why that would have anything to do with it.

I meant with degeneracy related to sex.

I am still not clear on what percentage of the world, or lets say country, you think is bad. What percent of it is bad dew to jewish activities?
What are the biggest problems in the nation?
What are the biggest issues?

In the nations list of biggest issues, where does: White women having sex with not white men; rank?

Where does white women not having x amount of babies rank?

(in the list of the nations biggest problems/issues)

Please answer each question please. Try, nice convo so far, I am just attempting to ask anything I can get to get a clearer view and understanding, your attempt to work through and answer each question can only help us both better see and understand what we are dealing with.

>>9788853
what are you actually most caring about, Top 5-10 things about the nation?

You wish there were less poor unhealthy unhappy white people in america, is that what it comes down to? More well off/content/wealthy/powerful/decent off/humanely living happy/cheerful/chipper/good/great/awesome healthy hearty white people in America?

+ - non whites to degrees? Thats what it comes down to in essence?

>>9783217
Jewdom is passed matrilinearly.