how to overcome nihilism

call up your nakama and go on a sea adventure to find the one piece

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>ywn become famous for saying dude bro nuffin matters lmao

>>9781520
Ask and you shall receive. Ask God; we only ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, not the fruit of life.

>>9781520
Step 1: Switch to Colour

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>>9781543
Nihilists can be ignored if they are taken seriously. It's actually the preferred method that people have for the problem.
Now, the only reason nihilists are taken care of is compassion. There are those who do not want you to be a nihilist, and they act on it. It's not the act that is the message, it's the compassion. Depressed people, especially those who thought their way into the pit, tend to miss that - or the importance of it. What you do to that compassion, does it matter?
Pascal's wager fits here as well.

You don't, you just ignore it and delude yourself. It's the only proven way. Nietzsche's project failed. Follow his example at your own peril

>>9781520
Ride the Tiger brah

>>9781520

You can't overcome it once and for all. If you think about Enlightenment as a continuum, your thinking practices will go from the fullness of Being to emptiness of Nothingness, akin to periodical paradigm shifts. Nothingness is simply the other side of Being. Just as soon as you think you have permanently established yourself in the real world, secure in the knowledge that everything is stable and durable, you find yourself in a world of appearances, repudiating everything you have hitherto thought to be true as mere semblance. Nihilation is inherent to the life of the mind.

Believe in the greatness of your own human spirit.

Get a gf

>>9781520
Clean your room

grow up

>>9781520
By embracing nihilism. Revel in the meaningless, make your home in this abyss, allow suffering to become your dearest friend, and awaken yourself to the notion that the search for meaning is a pathetic quest.

Nihilism is just a single slice of the Ultimate Truth and Reality.

I haven't even got over the fact of Autonomic systems that keeps us alive.

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>>9781520
Nihilism can be reduced to materialism. Consider if idealism offers a more plausible model of reality. Spoiler alert: It does.

>>9781903
this for the time being like seriously

>>9781746
This, just ride it

>>9781953
If you aren't a materialist you have no reason to complain about religion

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>>9782090
That's precisely the point. Once you realise idealism is true, religion becomes valuable again. If there is a god, your life is not pointless.

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>Everything has returned. Sirius, and the spider, and thy thoughts at this moment, and this last thought of thine that all things will return.

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>>9782118
That would be pretty comfy though.

>>9782144
only for overmen

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>>9782149
>implying I'm the overman
Feels breddy gud mate.

>>9782167
The anteater or Nietzsche? Here's the info on the anteater:

http://www.openculture.com/2015/05/salvador-dali-takes-his-anteater-for-a-stroll-in-paris-1969.html

>>9781520
I overcame nhilism almost a year ago. Now I cant stop worrying about white genocide, ive become extremely racist - lost a few friends. When I believe nothing mattered it protected me from harsh realities. I could shrug it off like shit happens. But now I'm miserable. If you want to overcome nhilism be careful what you wish for.

>>9782206
>Now I cant stop worrying about white genocide
I actually can't wait for such a scenario. I find the prospect of race war in Europe extremely entertaining.

>>9782221
Wont be a war.

>>9782243
Then /pol/ needs to get its facts straight. This whole muh white race is too weak to survive big black cock shtick is an extremely beta fantasy.

Nihilism contradicts itself. If nothing is true, than neither is nihilism. Therefore, since nothing is true is false, then something must be true.

>>9782254
Its not black cock. Its that other races reproduce a lot more. Dont want to derail the thread.

>>9781659
what is the fruit of life and the deal with the tree of life in general? Is it just immortality?

not a philosophy-fag so can someone explain, is depression and feeling of hopelessness "Nihilism" or does it only apply to some philosophical movement?

>>9782276
>"nothing is worth doing, pursuing, preserving" contradicts itself
nah

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>>9781754
Best post in thread.
>>9781921
>and awaken yourself to the notion that the search for meaning is a pathetic quest.
The search IS the quest. You make your own meaning with the experiences and information you take on while you live. You can point yourself in a particular "direction" by choosing the experiences and meaning you attribute to yourself. Don't get caught, anon.

>>9782206
HAHAHA

>>9782293
Learn to goog such a simple query

>>9782342
>read fucking 10 paragraphs on wikipedia
no thanks I'll just keep asking till there's a yes or no answer :)

Recently read Laughing At Nothing by John Marmysz. It had some nice summaries of the historical development of nihilism in Germany, Russia and America and offers not so much a solution, but say a coping mechanism- more perspectives, more creativity, more thinking, humor and laughing or finding it funny.

It informed me of a lot of shit I'm prolly not gonna bother reading since I hate philosophical shopping lists of nonsense extended beyond what's reasonable, however the solution of the author, or, at least in the book, wasn't that satisfying. It's something, though.

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>>9781520

Overcome yourself.

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>>9782346
I hope no one helps you here and you learn to look shit up on your own and extract your own reasoning from what you read instead of expecting a Cambodian cartoon affiliate to do it for you. What, you can't digest information on your own so you shit up a LITERATURE board expecting others to explain simple concepts to you?

>>9782369
no thanks

auto-fellatio

>>9781520
Are you going to let some philosophical mumbo jumbo created by chriscucks to induce fear in you so you become their slave kill your primal instinct to survive and overcome? What a cuck
Set yourself some values and stick to them
Mine are: power, creativity, clarity, bravery, inteligence, beauty and freedom. Those are MINE values, they serve me

>>9782370
That wasn't a reply to anything that was said.
It's interesting to know that even if I did post the answer to your question that you aren't even capable of reading it.

>>9782405
yeah

>>9781520
Go read Will to Power and see how.

>>9781520
Hedonism. Good feels feel good, bad feels feel bad, acquire good feels, avoid bad feels.

Anything else is ideology and will backfire and will leave you stranded in nihil land again.

>>9781527
Pretty much this. The human spirit, especially in men, thirsts for adventure.

>>9783679
>Hedonism.
Mental cowardice. Literally nothing more than people trying to find the fastest and quickest path to the reward chemicals in their brains.

>>9783888
That's all there is. Being in denial of this is true mental cowardice.

>>9782293
Quoting myself from an earlier thread:

>Nihilism is, to paraphrase Nietzsche, any philosophy or attitude which empties the world of value. This is of course very abstract, since "world" means different things to different people, but regardless of what it means, the definition remains the same - hence why different people attribute nihilism to different things. Nietzsche called Christianity a nihilistic religion, for example, while no Christian would agree with him and would call him a nihilist instead.

I recommend that you read more.

>>9783907
Christianity is the opposite of a nihilistic religion.

>>9783920
for you

>>9783907
>taking nietzsche's redefining of nihilism to suit his agenda seriously

eye bat ewe get yore definition of postmodernism from jordan peterson ass well

>>9783907
>Nietzsche called Christianity a nihilistic religion
Christianity and all the other Abrahamic religions entire purpose, is to give people hope, that after suffering the Hell that is their miserable lives, there will be heaven for them in the Afterlife. Abrahamic religions are anything but Nihilistic.

>>9783958
>implying everyone doesn't redefine concepts to suit their agendas
Nietzsche was even the precursor of this idea, it's called will to power.

>>9783903
>That's all there is. Being in denial of this is true mental cowardice.
No. The meaning of life, is that you are the temporary custodian of somebody else's genetics. Nothing more, nothing less. ''Hedonism'' is just Nihilism with pleasure.

>>9784011
>Implying humans don't make their own meaning from a meaningless existence

>>9783979
Take it up with him, not me. He wrote an entire book with the very purpose of deconstructing Christianity and exposing the nihilism he saw in it. A primary focus of his was the concept of pity and its role in the religion, which he saw as depressive and deflating of the natural instincts and inclinations towards power.

>>9784011
>somebody else's
Spooky. Genes don't have owners, organisms are just their manifestations.

You cannot overcome it. You can only react to it.

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>>9781520
Nothing matters, so you get to choose things that matter to you personally.

>>9781520
Good question for the sub-80-IQ types who post on /lit/.

No one here knows precisely what the term 'nihilism' even means -- which, of course, doesn't stop an army of drooling Down-Syndrome patients from rushing in and giving their "opinion" on the subject.

Fun to watch, but also sad. :(

>>9784298
>implying nihilism has a singular meaning

brainlet detected

>>9784309
Self-detection detected.

>>9784298
>No one here knows precisely what the term 'nihilism' even means
Then explain to us, oh wise one.

>>9784298


:(

>>9781520
There's no reason to?
One can pursue truth without conflating it with meaning. To be a philosopher or scientist is to embrace nihilism, for truth does not lie within the falsely perceived "given", it exists outside semantics and meaning.

>>9784369
Newsflash: it's a vague term.

E.g.1: so-called "Christians" were considered "Atheists/Nihilists" since they didn't acknowledge "the Gods".

E.g.2: Mereological "nihilists" reject compositional enities (i.e., "objects with proper parts do not exist").

Upshot: 4chan is a place for people like you to 'shoot the shit' without consequence.

Active Nihilism

>>9784412
I realize I left this rather vague. I mean to say that it is possible to understand the meaninglessness of existence by further inquiry into cognition, and in doing so we make fundamental progression towards understanding the distinction between falsity and truth, appearance and reality, etc. Nihilism is the modern token of advancement. We're making progress.

>>9784445
In other words, you were 'trying out' as the local village Bullshit Artist and you failed.

Take a deep breath....

Now consider that your highest profession may indeed be Subway sandwich-maker.

Breathe out... and accept your fate.

>>9784481
I think the only issue with what I said was the last sentence, as I participated in meaningful aspiration having just denounced it to some degree. However, that was meant light-heartedly. What is wrong with the rest?

>>9784501
Did you literally post the original question "how to overcome nihilism?"

>>9784514
No. Not sure who did.

>>9784521
Right.

>>9781905
this

>>9781520
Really wish you faggots would read some Nietzsche before asking this (stupid) question. Nihilism is the defining event of modernity, when all highest values begin to devalue themselves. This is not something that must be overcome, rather, it lays the foundation for one's liberation. You could even forget about the word value altogether if you want; think about care instead--what do you care about, every day? What do you structure your life around? This is your God, and if you don't choose wisely, it will completely destroy you.

Master Eckhart talks about liberation as wanting nothing, not even the knowledge of god/the unknowable. Akin to Buddhist detachment, the idea is to live one's life so that if death were to come at any moment, you would be ready to die. Of course, most of us are nowhere near this kind of attitude, which is why it requires daily practice: thought, meditation. Basically, sort yourself out. Seriously. Delete social media, stop watching porn/fapping, take psychedelics, go for walks/hikes, pick up a skill--learn how to "be."

>>9781520
Your suffering in the face of meaninglessness, and you desire to leave it behind, is meaningful. So you have a mission, act on it.

Pursuing women is one solution. During the act you will stop having existential thoughts. If course they will resume as soon as you nut but no solution is perfect.

>>9784693
I agree with u m8. It seems that it is only meant to be or a small part of population considering that most people are not and will not be able to look at the world around them.

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>>9784693
Yes, become nice and docile. NICE and DOCILE.

>>9781520
Books to overcome nihilism?

>>9785768
Start with the greeks.
It will never be overcome, you just learn to ignore it.

>>9785768
Crime and punishment is perfect

>>9782289
It could be argued that consciousness arose from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Therefore the tree of life would be those things we are utterly oblivious to (in some sense), but which are necessary to us.

>>9782206
>Now I cant stop worrying about white genocide

I really don't understand why 4chan nerds think they have a stake in this. Most of 4chan's base are autistic runts of society consuming anime and comic books, so why associate with (nazi) groups who would despise you? It's like nerds thinking that sucking Chad's cock will make he a bro.

You're outcasts with body pillows, this ain't your fight.

>>9781520
create values and meaning

>>9785978
To see no meaning is to lack perspective. There's a void in a nihilist. They don't need to see it, it devours their surroundings.
Your body is the temple of God. It rings true regardless of your presumed truth values for any modifier, be it (you), (body), (God)...

How to overcome anxiety and depression?

>>9786071
Change your perspective. Psychedelics and religion work better than ideology.

>>9785026
Lol, nice leap of logic. What is your alternative, some kind of infantile protest? Anyone with any knowledge of human history knows that humans are pretty much fucked. Best thing to do is improve your life so that you can improve the lives of others.

>>9786071
If you agree that there is a reason behind anxiety and depression i.e. they are caused by something then perhaps then you can deal with the "root of the problem". Don't worry anon, its going to be ok.

>>9786242
so pragmatism?

gr8 thread cured my depression

>>9786071
Seek medical help. I wouldn't listen to the guy who suggested psychedelics or religion. You must remember that both anxiety and depression are mental phenomena. They are not embedded within the linguistic-meaning structure some people make them out to be. They lie outside and determine the ways in which people process information. To think you can change your life within the superficiality of our historically conditioned socio-linguistic ability to conceptualize things you're being ignorant. Even if a particular situation causes the depression to begin (ex: wife leaving you) it isn't simply the actuality of this causing a mental state; it was first your predisposition of processing information, which differs brain to brain, that made you susceptible to depression under the right circumstances (i.e., in this case, expiration of a particular constant). Again, I'd suggest seeking medical help, and stay away from psychedelics unless you're certain they will interact well with your brain and bring about positive states.

>>9781520
I like to talk about Albert Camus' aspirations in the field of soccer and how he adopted a philosophy of absurdism to move past nihilism after he accepted his dreams would never be realized

>>9786071
You don't. Learn to live with it instead. Get really good at one thing and use it to survive, you are already fractured so no point in stressing over becoming a whole person again.

>>9781520
God

>>9781520
Work out. Talk to people.
Basically, distract yourself.
You don't get over nihilism, but you can forget about it for a while.

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Don't

>>9781520
Meaninglessness is something you attribute to the world, too. Once you realize that you should also realize that the world having no meaning is not fact as well. You are projecting that reality. The next step is psychoanalyzing yourself and eliminating the causes and triggers / adding new ones which change your perspective to one that sees meaningfulness, or just sit and sulk about being a nihilist because "it's da truf". Your choice.

Bertrand Russell, A Free Man's Worship.

Some of the most empowering, humanizing philosophy I've read.
Read it here. It's quite short.
https://www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/264/fmw.htm

>>9781885
This anon has the right idea.

>>9781520
Start exercising, get some friends, stop being a little whiny bitch
>b-but those are spooks DX
ok haha

>>9786071
lay off the ideological dumpster diving

>>9784693
Buddhism is the embrace of nihilism to escape suffering. It is worthless. It is to surrender yourself to the suffering through cowardice.

We are here to laugh at the odds and live so well that Death will tremble to take us.

amor fati niggas

>>9788489

You don't even know what he means by that. Fuck your undergrad understanding.

>>9788540
how would you know

>>9788570
Because it's one of his most difficult thoughts, and you're full of shit just posting something you think sounds right, because you don't actually know what it means. Just because you think you've understood the latin in English (or whatever the fuck you think in) doesn't mean you understand the thinking or the thought of Nietzsche's amor fati.

You may have ever read Deleuze. You're still bullshit. Go read some commentary you fucking kid. I'm sure that has the answers.

philosophy has more or less legitimized and crowned Christianity as the only non shit religion desu

>>9788590
tbhwyf ive read a lot of nietzsche's books

where did this hostility come from lmao

>>9788593
Protestantism is shit lmao

>>9788610
note

chirstian-ITY

protestant-ISM
catholic-ISM

>>9788600
>where did this hostility come from lmao
It's standard on /lit/ for people to go apeshit randomly over Nietzsche and then not elaborate on anything.

>>9788615
Yes yes i know, catholicism is goat... just werent sure, if u implied catholicism only or were thinking about protestantism because that's generally what nietzsche criticized (which this thread mostly is about)

>>9788649
I didnt say amor fati ironically desu

>>9788600
I'm just sick of your types thinking they know shit and just dropping little words.

You're probably like 22. You don't know shit.

Meet a beautiful woman

>>9788590
>>9788674
The Hypersphere is a big fucking place, kid. Imagine the biggest pile of dung you can take and then double-- no, triple that shit and you still haven't come close to one octingentillionth of a Hypersphere cornerstone. Hell, you probably don't even know what the Hypersphere is, you goddamn fucking idiot kid. I bet you don't know the first goddamn thing about the Hypersphere.

>>9788677
This will actually make a huge difference, from what I hear

>>9788674
In this case ive no choice because trying to explain it in a post isnt ideal, just read the nigga. And yes, i know, knowing amor fati is knowing nietzsche (as a person and his philosophy)

>>9781520
have sex

I got on SSRIs, met a girl, got off SSRIs, and then married the girl

If Nietzsche disapproves I don't care

>>9788712
:3

>>9788712
neitzsche wants you to do what pleases your conscious

because that is the god which he mourned over becoming absent

>>9788696
"just read the nigga"

Your millenial is showing.

You're an idiot.

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embrace bogdanism

>>9785768
uhhh i dunno, have you tried any nietzsche ?

>>9781520
Three words: Jordan Fucking Peterson.

It's his job.

>>9781520
read this: https://web.archive.org/web/20141108100908/http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/id82.html

go to bed at night, wake up in the morning, eat breakfast

>>9784298
Making posts that insult everyone in the thread except you without explaining your own point is the height of cowardice.

Existentialism and Taoism nigga

>>9789683
pseud

>>9782118
>fedora posting is age old

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>>9783907
Nietzsche is a fucking idiot and so are you.

>>9788296
>not interpreting Buddhism for yourself

I'm not talking about the dogma. Also, yes, you're supposed to embrace nihilism because you can't avoid it. Did you even read my post? What Nietzsche wanted is for future human beings to become active nihilists, to take control of their own lives and live by their own ideas instead of the values that are now dying. And you kind of do have to surrender to your suffering because that's what life is, but you should also try to overcome it.

It's not over until it's over.
I'm really fucking tired of listening to philosophical arguments, to be honest, because they all rely on different sets of priorities.
You don't lose anything by living, you started with nothing.
Whether you can find God or He was never there to begin with, I can't tell you. But you can't spend your life gazing at your navel and expect to feel accomplishment or completeness.

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why does /lit/ never post the rest of the Nietzsche-picture series that disclose that women was his rescue?

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>>9791202
>pic

wtf i love christianity now

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>>9788804
gonna need a basic gestalt

>>9781520
probably the straightest nose in history

not a millimetre of semitism.

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>>9791041
>pseud
Oh, did you want me to spout a couple of buzzwords like you did?

Self actualisation and Zen nigga.

Wow, that took a lot of academic rigour, we're so clever.

>>9781953
>he hasn't heard of metaphysical nihilism
>materialism is metaphisics

a metaphysical nihilist would obviously also deny materialism

>>9782396
> Those are MINE values, they serve me
Hahaha, no you serve THEM. That's how it works with values. You'd be better of with nihilism.

>>9792474
Just because you must serve the health of your body doesn't mean it can't also serve you better if it is healthy. It's about having a good relationship with values, you zebra.

I am functioning nihilist who thinks everyone who isn't is basically retarded. Ask me anything.

No belief is true and everything beyond "I exist" is purely belief. There is no meaning and the only way to "create" meaning is by deluding yourself. Nothing really matters, I could kill all of you and it would be completely meaningless. In fact, I'm not even sure anyone of you exists at all.

>>9792482
But there is literally nothing of value that you gain, because there is no value at all. So you serve them, but they don't serve you, since that would imply a gain on your side.

>>9792509
Hahaha, you clearly have not looked at ANY of the research about the benefits of values. They are very powerful things.

>>9792515
I don't believe in any benefits. I don't want benefits. They can't be powerful because all they can get you is meaningless.

>>9791202
What was the point of that pic? It was going fairly well up until the last paragraph where it made a complete mockery of itself.

Want to know what Nietzsche's philosophy really leads to? The scientific and technological achievements of mankind and the development of all aristocracies, powerful individuals, and art. His philosophy is simply a reflection of the forces which bring forth these things in the world. Christianity is a necessary supplement to keep the higher forces from imploding and destroying themselves, but it is not the cause of anything great in history. It freezes evolution in place while will to power is what drives it.

>>9792524
Ah, so I can choose to go where you are or not. Seems like you're stuck there. I would say you are ruled WAY more by your value of meaninglessness than I am by the values I have up my sleeve, and have good working relationships with.

>>9792502
Go jump off the nearest non-existent cliff you pussy

>>9792533
I am not ruled at all. Since nothing has value or meaning, I am free to do anything. You are restrained by your "values".

>>9792534
I might, but I'm going to die anyway, so I see no reason do force it.

>>9792502
Wow, telling an anonymous forum of "anons" who may or may not be reading that they dont exist... What IS this power level!?

Go up to a random black dude on the street and shout "square up nigga I'm going to kill you" and then tell HIM he doesn't exist, you massive Philo 101 faggot.

>>9792527
>It freezes evolution in place
Evolution is non-teleological, you tool. Of course, you would know that if you had taken any fucking biology classes at all.

>>9792540
>the point


>your response
You are restrained by your value of meaninglessness. It IS a value. It restrains you from experience and action that is meaningful. You also believe it to be TRUE so you are totally spoked by it.

>>9792543
>Wow, telling an anonymous forum of "anons" who may or may not be reading that they dont exist... What IS this power level!?
Saying that someone doesn't exists also implies knowledge that's not possible to be had. Hence why I said I'm not sure about your existence, not that I'm sure you don't exist.

> Go up to a random black dude on the street and shout "square up nigga I'm going to kill you" and then tell HIM he doesn't exist, you massive Philo 101 faggot.
Kek, so what? He beats me up? I don't want that, so I don't do that. He might exist or not exist, my body might exist or not exist, but the unpleasant experience of getting beaten up will probably follow the experience of me telling him that. So I'm not going down that route. Intelligence 101, desu.

>>9792545
K, if you're gonna be a textbook nerd about it and ignore the obvious fact that I didn't refer specifically to biological evolution but philosophical and cultural evolution, I'll change the analogy. It deflates a culture's power and pushes us towards the last men, a culture of mediocrity and sterility.

>>9792547
There is nothing that can ever known to be true, expect "I exist". In this context, when a value results in a "gain" on your side, the "gain" is completely illusory, nothing can ever really be gained. Thus, all you can get is meaningless, because all that can be gained is illusion. That's how I used the word "meaning" in this context. I'm not implying anything more abstract than that.

What would you want to gain? Power, money, sex? Can be fun, but none of that ultimately exists and once you're dead none of that matters anymore. Thus, it's meaningless.

Saying it does have meaning implies beliefs beyond what can be known.

>>9792589
>power, money, sex
>doesn't exist
Holy shit, this is schizophrenic. Do you think pain exists?

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>>9792589
>Saying it does have meaning implies beliefs beyond what can be known.
So does saying it doesn't have meaning.

>>9792619
>Holy shit, this is schizophrenic. Do you think pain exists?
As an experience, yes. What we can know for sure is that we are experiencing what we are experiencing. When I experience pain, I know for sure that I do experience pain.
What I do not believe is that my body exists. What I do believe is that I have the perception of being a body.

From have a perception you can never get to conclusions about underlying reality (e.g. existence or non-existence of stuff). Since all have have is perception, nothing can be said about the existence of non-existence of anything. Including power, money and sex.

Of what value is your power/money/sex when you're dead? Obviously none, right? So the value was never there in the first place, you just imagined it while alive.

>>9792639
So what? You will eventually recover from a broken bone, so just smash your hand with a hammer now. No? Why not? You want to control your experience? Is that not power? You're nitpicking like a maniac.

So what if it's all a dream? You'd still rather a good dream than a nightmare while you're in it. The criteria for determining what a good dream is, are values. You are currently valueing the criteria of meaninglessness, probably because it absolves you from all responsibility and effort.

>>9792621
But since we can never find out whether anything has meaning or had meaning in the past, why care about meaning? Meaning itself gets meaningless if it's not knowable.

what is nihilism

>>9792650
You're the one who seems attached to your values, you seem completely rooted to meaninglessness and unable to even entertain the idea of discarding it.

>>9792584
Okay, I just had to get the obvious one out of the way because it's apparently very common for people to consider the 'ubermensch' concept an evolutionary 'level' of sorts, as if there was an XP system in real life. And before you say 'But I couldn't be that stupid' consider where we are.
>a culture of mediocrity and sterility
I'd argue that cultures of mediocrity and sterility result from several people having all the power while everyone else has too little, which seems more like a result of concentration of power rather than distribution of it. The ideal state for someone who embraces the will-to-power stance, by the way I understand it (in an incomplete sense, I suppose) is that everyone works for him, and does what he wants. What can be more mediocre or sterile than a world filled with slaves?
One of the main concepts of Christianity that is widely ignored by its practitioners due to the difficulty of the endeavor is the idea of human dignity, or that everyone has inherent value that must be actively respected and cultivated. In a sense, the idea is that all flavors of person (personality, not morality, as some behaviors are undesirable) have a value unto themselves. By recognizing what's worthwhile in each person, the ideal result in this end is an result greater than the sum of its parts.
The main objection I see Christians make to unbridled individualism is that an individual who has unrestrained ambition will eliminate their opponent's traits to better emphasize their own. They see a man embracing the will to power as someone who likes the color blue so much he wants to paint the whole world blue.

>>9792649
>So what? You will eventually recover from a broken bone, so just smash your hand with a hammer now. No? Why not? You want to control your experience? Is that not power? You're nitpicking like a maniac.
Have we established free will as truth yet? I don't think so, so there is also no power to control your experience. Or at least, we don't know if there is or not.

> So what if it's all a dream? You'd still rather a good dream than a nightmare while you're in it. The criteria for determining what a good dream is, are values. You are currently valueing the criteria of meaninglessness, probably because it absolves you from all responsibility and effort.
That doesn't even make sense. How could one value meaninglessness? I'm not saying meaninglessness in itself is good or bad or that you should act to increase or decrease meaninglessness. If you don't want pain, avoid it. How is meaning needed for that?

If you're the guy from above, you said one of your values is power. You can act to increase the power you have and you can use your power. But if you take it seriously, you're also imprisoned by it, because you won't do stuff that decreases your power.
Meaninglessness on the other hand, can not be increased, decreased or used. Since nothing I could do could change it, there is no imprisonment, since all actions affect meaninglessness the same way, which is not at all.

In the end, you'll be dead and nothing of it matters. None of the values will remain. While alive, be free to do whatever you want. If you think it's fun to get more power, well power to you. It's not inherently meaningful or creating meaning though. It's deluding yourself that there is meaning, which is fine if that's what you want.

>>9792654
Outside of this discussion, I don't even entertain the idea of meaninglessness. There can be no knowledge beyond "I exist" or "I perceive what I perceive". If you can prove to me anything beyond that, it's okay, I'd accept that. No such prove is possible though.

"Discarding" it is actually a wrong expression. I'm just not believing anything, so "discarding" that would actually mean accepting something else. There is actually nothing I could discard, because there is nothing I truly believe. To accept something else, something else must be proven to be true though. Try it, you'll fail.

>>9781520
>Nihilism
>Picture of Nietzsche.

>>9792696
Listen to yourself. No offence but you seem to continually miss the point. You act like meaninglessness is a truth that you know objectively. This is simply not the case. It's similar to your comment on free will. We can't know either way. So your choosing meaninglessness is just as arbitrary as your choosing meaning. And you CAN change the level of meaning in your life. There are all sorts of techniques for this. If I am deluding myself into thinking there is meaning (I can accept that claim), then you are deluding yourself into thinking there isn't. One position has no more claim to objective Truth than the other.
>>9792711
There can be no absence of belief. You are believing in the construct of nihilism.

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>>9792711
What the fuck are you on about demanding proof when you've DELIBERATELY set yourself up with the assumption that there's nothing that can be proved besides the fact that you yourself exist?You'll just discard any information provided on things that are not you a priori.

Congrats, you've put yourself into an intellectual stalemate, you dope.

>>9792662
>I'd argue that cultures of mediocrity and sterility result from several people having all the power while everyone else has too little, which seems more like a result of concentration of power rather than distribution of it.
And you would be right, we can see this in communist states. They are not generative. But when you distribute power equally and moralize the notion of "seeking no more than the bare minimum" and self-sacrifice, which Christianity certainly encourages in many ways, then you have something that's very close to a communist state, and just as generative (i.e. not very generative at all). In both cases the exchanges of powers are being stopped shut.

>The ideal state for someone who embraces the will-to-power stance, by the way I understand it (in an incomplete sense, I suppose) is that everyone works for him, and does what he wants.
This doesn't imply that he is the only one with power. In a monarchy, power can trickle down to some extent, whereas in communism it doesn't, but in both there is usually one or an extremely small family or group that is leading the whole as an absolute power. The point I'm making is that the ideal state for will to power is not communism like you seem to be conceiving of it.

The danger of Christianity and any monotheistic practice is that it leads to a non-generative state. When there is only One, that's it, there is no more progression or retrogression possible. In a polytheistic practice there will be a King of the Gods and many other gods, all generative, and then lesser deities, all generative, and their generative qualities emerge from their being a multitude of them, and their relationships with one another which transform one another with every interaction. If all is just One then you have nothing but an echo chamber to express yourself in and no one else's warmth to gain.

Okay, let me try to explain the logic of this again:

All we know for certain is "I exist".
Since that's all, we can never know whether anything is meaningful or not.
But something can only be meaningful if we also KNOW it to be meaningful.
Because if we don't know that, the "meaning" never even affects us in any way, which would make it meaningless.
So all meaning can only come with knowledge. Since such knowledge is impossible, meaning is impossible.

> There can be no absence of belief. You are believing in the construct of nihilism.
Well, think what you want to think. I can't prove to you that this is false, so I don't care enough to discuss this further.

>>9792753
Well, if anything besides "I exist" can be proven, do it and I'll be happy to see. It's not a stalemate, it's mate in 1.
If I am false and something beyond this can be proven, why don't you just show me? If you use proper logic, I'll accept it.

I am right know experiencing something, so what I know is "I experience something". Since that's all I know by know, your prove can't use any other assumption than that. Now it's your turn.

This >>9792766 was directed at you
>>9792725 btw

>>9792792
Okay.
>I experience something
>I exist
As the only assumptions and you want me to prove that there is at least one other thing?
Let me see if I can try to phrase this in a way that doesn't make you fall back on the same doubts Descarte confronted way before you did.
If there is nothing other than yourself, then there can only be one thing. Therefore, 'I experience something' and 'I exist' must be in fact the same concept. So if you do not experience something, you do not exist, and if you experience something, you do exist. This also works in the opposite direction. If you do exist, you must experience something, and if you do not exist, you cannot experience anything.
However, we're not finished. If you exist, and 'I experience something'/'I exist' exist, and there is only one thing, then you must be, completely and literally, 'I experience something', because only you exist. If there is any property you have that 'I experience something' or 'I exist' do not have, then we can make a distinction between you and this thought, and therefore, at least two things exist.
I believe you've shown up more than three times in this post. Do you want me to treat them as the same as you?

>>9781520
Become a supervillain.

>>9792866
>Therefore, 'I experience something' and 'I exist' must be in fact the same concept.
Yep, completely agree. That's why I only mentioned 'I exist' at the beginning of this discussion and used 'I experience what I experience' later on interchangeably.

>However, we're not finished. If you exist, and 'I experience something'/'I exist' exist, and there is only one thing, then you must be, completely and literally, 'I experience something', because only you exist.
Yeah ok, so far. Actually there is only experience itself, which we conceptually divide into "experiencer" and "experienced" (or subject and object). I think that amounts to the same you just said.

>I believe you've shown up more than three times in this post. Do you want me to treat them as the same as you?
It's not 100% clear to me what you're saying. You've established that 'I exist' = 'I experience something' and that there is no 'I' outside of this, which I agree is correct.
I think for further deductions it's best to treat all of that as the single fact 'I experience something', but go on however you want. When I see logical errors, I'll tell you.

> the same doubts Descarte confronted way before you did.
Of course this is inspired by descarte, but he kinda lost it when he created some kind of idealism based on god instead of going through with it completely and just staying with what is certainly true.

>>9792934
>It's not 100% clear to me what you're saying. You've established that 'I exist' = 'I experience something' and that there is no 'I' outside of this, which I agree is correct.
What I'm implying is that when you state 'I exist', you are stating yourself. If you were to theoretically write down the words 'I exist' on a sheet of paper, you would be effectively drawing yourself.
I've used the phrase 'I exist' several times in the last post I made. When you are considering my argument, are you considering yourself, or something else? If you are considering my argument, then there is something other than you: My argument. If you were considering yourself, then the fact that 'I exist' shows up multiple times in my argument is proof that there is more than one of you, because we've already established that you are 'I exist'.

>>9792970
>When you are considering my argument, are you considering yourself, or something else?
There is the experience of considering your argument.

We can see it like this: There is the experiencer ("me", the thinker) and the experienced (your argument, which is a thought during my experience of considering it).

The division into experiencer and experienced is of course artificial and untrue, so it would be most logical to say that "I consider myself", but it only be true when we phrase it "I have the experience of considering myslef (as an argument, one might add)". Of course, we're touching the topic of non-duality here, which is difficult for most people when they first encounter it.

> If you were considering yourself, then the fact that 'I exist' shows up multiple times in my argument is proof that there is more than one of you, because we've already established that you are 'I exist'.

That you used an expression multiple times doesn't make anything exist multiple times.

We have the experience of considering an argument and we know that "I am having the experience considering an argument" is a true statement. We don't know whether the "I" or the argument exist independently and outside of this experiencing.

You've used the term "I exist" more than once, great, big deal. But do those expressions actually point to different existing things? Because I currently don't think that follows from your argument. We know for certain that "I have the experience of considering an argument", but we can't conclude the actual existence of "I" or the argument outside of that experience.

Maybe you need to go into more detail how "I exist" shows up more than once and points to more than one different and existing things.

>>9792766
No. Experientially, you cannot know that you exist unless you simultaneously know that OTHER exists. This is alterity, the foundation of all experience, which is essentially SOMETHING happening to ME. If there was no something happening to the self, there would be no self. So there are always two things, which are yourself and the things that happen to the self (1 + the other = experience). Now, you might start to make all sorts of wriggles about whether these happenings are external or internal. Irrelevant. Experientially, they exist.

So from there you have the beginnings of values, because, for example, PAIN is something happening to the self that you DO NOT WANT. This spurns the self to desire power over the other.

When you detach metaphysics from experiences you can play all sorts of word games that CAN BE meaningless, but when you actually incorporate experience into the mix (like your motivations for arguing in this thread, for example), you cannot ever just disregard the other. This is simply not how anyone's life plays out.

>>9793074
>That you used an expression multiple times doesn't make anything exist multiple times.
But it does. The fact that you are able to distinguish between three separate expressions necessarily implies multiple existences, whether they be merely conceptual (such as distinguishing without a difference) or actual (when you speak about two different things). In other words, even if they are the same object, the concepts themselves of these three objects would be things that are part of you but are not the entirety of you. A subset of your existence, so to speak.
>You've used the term "I exist" more than once, great, big deal. But do those expressions actually point to different existing things? Because I currently don't think that follows from your argument. We know for certain that "I have the experience of considering an argument", but we can't conclude the actual existence of "I" or the argument outside of that experience.
Even if they don't, their 'pointers' must be separate for them to be distinguishable. If you accept that I've used 'I exist' more than once, then there are necessarily several objects in existence, EVEN IF they are all part of you. If you can accept that, then I'll try to convince you that there are objects outside of your existence.

>>9792502
>I am a functioning nihilist

So basically you're an edgy faggot? You clearly don't understand nihilism. Stop posting and save yourself the embarrassment.

>>9793092
> No. Experientially, you cannot know that you exist unless you simultaneously know that OTHER exists.
No. Self and other are already beliefs you add on top of experience.
"self + other = experience" is in so far wrong (or atleast not known to be true), that the existence of self and other are questionable.

> Experientially, they exist.
No. From your experience you're drawing conclusions that something exists, but these conclusion go beyond what the experience actually shows.
Only with additional beliefs on top of experience can you conclude existence of self and other.
The other guy was interpreting me correctly when he concluded that from my POV self must equal other.

>When you detach metaphysics from experiences you can play all sorts of word games that CAN BE meaningless, but when you actually incorporate experience into the mix (like your motivations for arguing in this thread, for example), you cannot ever just disregard the other. This is simply not how anyone's life plays out.

I'm not holding a metaphysical position, besides denying that any metaphysical position could ever be known to be true.
If you've read my other post, you know that experience is all I am about, since we can know nothing beyond experience.
But since we know nothing beyond experience, we can also never know anything about meaning and meaning without knowledge of it isn't really meaning at all.

> PAIN is something happening to the self that you DO NOT WANT.

Well, there is experience of pain and then experience of avoiding pain. So what? If all your values amount to is pain avoidance and pleasure seeking, then you'd drop them when confronted with pain or withdrawal of pleasure. And if that's the case, you can't really be said to hold any values except basic pain avoidance and pleasure seeking. Did I tell you not to do that? When confronted with pain, try to make it stop... or not. Whichever you prefer, but saying there is meaning in that or any meaningful value is just pretending.

>>9793192
>The other guy was interpreting me correctly when he concluded that from my POV self must equal other.
Other is literally the opposite of self. You might as well say nothing and something are the same thing.

>>9793135
Nihilistic with a wicked sense of humor. :^)

>>9793122
>The fact that you are able to distinguish between three separate expressions necessarily implies multiple existences
Experience doesn't imply existence. There is the perception of multiple expression but I don't know if even one of them truly exists. But I guess you got that and just word it differently than I would.

> Even if they don't, their 'pointers' must be separate for them to be distinguishable.
Okay, yeah. So experience can differ (and it's obviously constantly changing, so that shouldn't come as a shock). I can experince one thing now and a different thing next. Like different expressions or arguments, for example. Nothing is known about the existence of any of this outside of experience yet, though.

> If you accept that I've used 'I exist' more than once, then there are necessarily several objects in existence, EVEN IF they are all part of you.
You should probably write this more carefully. We know nothing about several objects *in existence* we only know that there can be several objects *in experience*.

> If you can accept that, then I'll try to convince you that there are objects outside of your existence.
If what you mean is, that we know there can be several objects in experience (basically several pointers) and you want to show next that there is also more than one object in existence (so the stuff the pointers point to, if any such stuff exists), then we agree and you can go on.

>>9793211
Yeah, what you're doing is this:
You have one thing that is unquestionably true (experience).
Then you make up 2 opposing concepts (self and other) and then you superimpose that conceptual framework on experience and claim that's truth.
While it's actually 50% truth and 50% you making stuff up.

>>9793192
This is not stuff that is up to you at all. You do not get to choose what you interpret experience to be, because this all happens long before any kind of ability emerges to rationally take control over your abstract thoughts. This is what we experience as babies, a world emerging when self and other cleft. You cannot deny this. It is there in your own life, and the various values that have also naturally emerged from this process (pain avoidance being just one EXAMPLE of how values emerge naturally from this division) have led you here, where you are engaged in value-driven action to argue your case. Alterity exists, we know this for a fact. It is in every single human beings experience, including yours. To argue against that is as close as you can come to insanity.

>>9781520


>>9781520
Love Jesus Christ. It's the only way

>>9793235
You're an ideologue. You identify yourself with the set of philosophical propositions that fall under the term "nihilism" and demonstrate an inability to think originally. Same story with people who call themselves determinists and shoot down any idea that conflicts with that philosophical framework.

Pro-tip: everyone is a nihilist nowadays, most people just don't know it.

>>9793235
>If what you mean is, that we know there can be several objects in experience (basically several pointers) and you want to show next that there is also more than one object in existence (so the stuff the pointers point to, if any such stuff exists), then we agree and you can go on.
All right. When you come across a new experience, that is, an existence you have not ever considered before, I suggest the source of it is external, or from an existing other thing, because if it were already present in your person, you would have already recognized it or generated it, and it would not be new.
In other words, change is evidence of things that are not you.

>>9793258
> This is not stuff that is up to you at all. You do not get to choose what you interpret experience to be, because this all happens long before any kind of ability emerges to rationally take control over your abstract thoughts. This is what we experience as babies, a world emerging when self and other cleft.
You're basing this on the assumption of materialism. If a brain actually exists, this might make sense, but that's not a proven fact. I agree though, that you can't consciously choose to change this interpretation of experience, but this kind of change can happen.

> You cannot deny this.
You're making assumptions about my experience which are wrong. There is nothing for me to deny, but your claims.

> Alterity exists, we know this for a fact.
No, we don't. You just belief in it so strongly that you mistake it for a fact.

I guess you agree that this discussion isn't really fruitful and that there is no reason to continue it. Call me insane, why would I care? Maybe you're interested in reading more insane stuff like this, by people who are smarter than me, I can point you to some authors, if you want me to.

>>9781543
Ask me how I know you haven't read a word he wrote

>>9793317
This is the thing you cannot seem to understand: You LITERALLY cannot live your life without experience being manifest as self and other.

>You're making assumptions about my experience which are wrong. There is nothing for me to deny, but your claims.
See, the problem I think we're having is that I don't think you've actually had experiences in which alterity breaks down.You can trick yourself momentarily, with drugs and meditation, for example, but you CANNOT stay like this, and if you do, you cannot function whatsoever. I'm not saying this from a moralistic perspective, I mean you LITERALLY cannot do it. To argue against alterity is to argue against functionalism in its most basic sense.

Now, you keep insinuating that you want to leave this discussion. Fine. But I don't buy your doing it from a place of superiority at all. I don't think your nihilistic perspective has a satisfactory answer to these problems, and if you are OP then the nihilistic framework you have been arguing for is as far from functionalist as it could be. And if you are honestly sitting there arguing that your lived experience does NOT include self and other, while you argue with me and type on a keyboard and so on and so on, then I just think you're a flat out liar. AT MOST you could say that your experience DOES SEEM to be broken into self and other, but you don't trust this experience to be taken as it is at face value, but this is much more a value-driven venture than me simply observing that alterity is really there.

>>9793373
Don't bother. This guy is a pantheist who thinks he's God.

>>9793378
He might talk that way, and entertain an internal monologue that argues that way, but he certainly doesn't think and live that way.

>>9793275
>You're an ideologue. You identify yourself with the set of philosophical propositions that fall under the term "nihilism" and demonstrate an inability to think originally.
Blah blah, this thread is literally the first time ever that I called myself a "nihilist". And you said before that you think I don't understand nihilism. Guess what, I don't care. You can call my position however you want. I think it could be called nihilism, might be wrong though.
I'm not identifying with it and I'm not making any propositions. The opposite actually, I'm taking away propositions which are commonly accepted but not actually known to be true. All I do is remove what's uncertain and keep what is certain and only "I experience something" is what stays.

You can call that nihilism, solipsism, whatever. The fact remains that nobody can prove anything beyond that.
That's not new, you're right. It's been known for ages. People like to delude themselves into thinking that something other than that is true though, and that's why they're arguing with me.

>>9793317
> When you come across a new experience, that is, an existence you have not ever considered before, I suggest the source of it is external, or from an existing other thing, because if it were already present in your person, you would have already recognized it or generated it, and it would not be new.

No, this just isn't true and indicates that you might have misunderstood my position.

Nothing is "present in my person", except the experience right now. The experience may be an experience of thinking or remembering or not recognizing, but those are still just experiences.

There is only continually changing experience and there is no difference at all between "new" or "old" experiences. We as humans, have the experience of remembering and recognizing, but those are just experiences too! You may not have the experience of recognition when having an experience, and thus conclude that it is "new". But there being an experience of recognition or not doesn't really say anything about existence outside that experience. The experience of something being new is still just an experience and no indicator for existence.

Change is just me changing, nothing other than me needed.

>>9793277
sorry, the second part of this >>9793450 post was for you

>>9781520
Religion

>>9781520
stop being retarded.

>>9792502
>No belief is true
>There is no meaning
Way to btfo of yourself.

Don't overthink.

I genuinely find everything to be totally pointless.

Always asking myself "why bother", and that includes life itself.

When you feel yourself getting dark all around, getting that bizarre inner tunnel vision, snap the fuck out of it and laugh at yourself. Then move onto whatever boring, humdrum useless thing you had to do until the darkness creeps in again.

You keep doing that until you either jump off a cliff or die of natural causes.

>>9781520
Read anything other than nihilists and realize how wrong they are

>>9793682
I described the logic behindert that somewhere above.

>>9784437
This. More often than not it's just a pejorative. Same thing with "materialist" and "fascist".

>>9785768
I and Thou

Embrace the fact that the negative aspect is not the default.
>Nothing you do matters
Or
>Everything you do matters
Clean your room

>>9793450
Nihilism is the destiny of the West, when all of the highest values begin to devalue themselves. In a sense, everyone is a nihilist because no one structures their lives around the most important Western values, the most obvious one being God. And yes, if you call yourself a nihilist you are by definition identifying with those propositions instead of identifying with yourself.

The argument you're participating in is exactly like the argument concerning the existence of God: it's futile and unproductive, and the only reason people engage in such an argument is essentially for showmanship, trying to prove the validity of your position and simultaneously negating the counter position. But again, this doesn't result from original thinking and it demonstrates an unwillingness to attempt to understand the person you're speaking with; you just want to be right because it feels good. Just take a look at your first post and tell me it isn't arrogant--"anyone who doesn't think like me is retarded." I really do hope you're a teenager like it seems, that way there might be some hope for you.

>>9783679
All hedonists want to die by heroine overdose.

>>9785898
Thanks

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>How to overcome nihilism
Stop calling your feels "nihilism".

Nihilism is a group of several (partially disjointed) philosophical theories characterized by rational argument.

It's not the catch all term for your defeatist intuitions about the world. Let alone your fucking psychological reactions to it.

You didn't arrive at your feels after careful rational consideration. If you did you wouldn't ask how to "overcome" "nihilism".

How braindead is the question how to overcome 1) SEVERAL DISJOINTED philosophical positions 2) without stating how you got there (where?), which arguments/essays/books you found the most convincing or giving a summary of your own arguments and seeing if they hold water at least after crossexamination by the imbecile undergrads and "autodidacts" of /lit/.

But obviously that's not where you're coming from now are you?

You have an "intuition" and nihilism sounds cool and profound. FAR better than "I have depression" and realizing that you are rationalizing and projecting your lack of values and drive onto the world.

All I can say here is pray for some self awareness.

>muh nihilism xd
Most of you aren't "nihilists", you're just depressed. The way of overcome it is to visit a doctor.

>>9795399
>doctors
>fixing depression

Good one

>>9795168
As I said, I'd never call myself nihilist outside of the scope of this discussion and of course I wouldn't call people retarded just because they disagree with me. So this "identification" is temporary at most. I really couldn't care less about someone agreeing or disagreeing with anything I say. Unless they have really good arguments, e.g. against epistemological nihilism, which would be interesting.

I just think it's fun that epistemological nihilism can't really be disproved. Epistemological nihilism basically implies existential nihilism and existential nihilism is freedom. Of course that just means that there is no objective meaning, you can attach subjective meaning to anything if you want to and it's probably not even a bad idea for most people.

I'm not even claiming originality, why would I care about that anyway? So I could claim to be a great original thinker? From my POV, any "original thinking" leads to the construction of conceptual understanding that's not based in truth, since the the amount of actual possible knowledge is pretty limited (to "I exist"). That means any original thinking leads away from truth and the way towards it is to investigate which beliefs I currently hold and removing all untruth.

So if we can stop discussing me now, that'd be nice. If you want to actually discuss nihilism, I'm down!

>>9795419
Notice how you failed to respond to the first part of my part, where I discuss nihilism.

>>9781520
> how to overcome nihilism
Finish school

>>9795628
part of my post*

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>>9781520
Acceptance and adaptation.

>>9781678
We're talking philosophical nihilists (Stirner was one), not the lay meaning. It has nothing to do with being depressed.

>>9788187
Bertrand Russell was a literal cuck and his work is the embodiment of this cuckness. The guy was a living meme of "my wife's son" except worse since he got his wife impregnated two times by a bull. Disregard the spooked liberal garbage he wrote.

>>9795234
Most people do these days. Or morphine at least.

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>>9795747
>Cuck
>Disregard the spooked
1. Read Stirner and discard your spooked Christian cult.
2. Read Epicurus and learn how to be happy.
I don't type this to you from hate, anon.

>>9795628
What's there to discuss? I agree with that, the west will probably become more nihilistic over time

Method I used was being honest with myself that I didn't really believe in that garbage because while I said I did, and had arguments nobody could really convince me were wrong, at the end of the day I didn't act like a nihilist.

I believed in morals, I believed in living, I had optimism about the future, I wasn't built to be a nihilist. All the time I claimed to be a nihilist not once did I ever act like one. The closest I came was letting myself be abused by others for some time because my existence didn't really matter but at the end of the day I stood up to that shit.

My advice is focus less on if you can disprove nihilism, you can't, and more if you are really a nihilist at heart.

>>9795732
>[Nihilism] has nothing to do with being depressed

Bullshit

>>9781520
You just have to HaBEEb

>>9795837
I guess I should be more clear: nihilism is not a choice. It's not a matter of who and who doesn't agree with it. Nihilism is the decisive event of modernity, it is an occurrence, not a school of thought or a philosophical stance. The only sense in which you can be a nihilist is passively or actively: the former is what you espouse--nothing has meaning, we can't know that anything is valid--which leads to the kind of state we're in right now, generations of radical hedonists who post dank memes all day. The latter is creative, transcending the meaninglessness of the world and creating your own set of values, that is, value in the sense of health and well-being.

>>9792403
This is really sad, such a colorful soul shattered by mental illness

>>9795871
I literally had to start taking anti-depressants to cope with it
Not knowing what is good or bad seems to affect the brain
Crazy

dick

>>9795953
The former doesn't exclude the latter though. Just because there is no intrinsic objective value, doesn't mean you can't attach subjective meaning to whatever you want.

I agree that nihilism isn't a choice, because truth isn't really a choice.

>>9795953
Are you aware we're talking about different nihilisms? You're talking about existential nihilism and a bastardization with imaginary values and I am talking about mostly epistemological nihilism, with existential nihilism just being an interesting side effect.

>>9795953
why is it necessary to create a set of values or meaning in order to act in the framework of nihilism when one could simply act in those ways without doing so?

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>>9781520
Still not as many replies as bugs, how does that make you feel OP? Nihilistic?

>>9795234
while having sex with hot babes, you forgot that part