What are some good novels about trans folk? In general I don't

You won't find any since the only people who care about trans issues are trans people and they are too fucked in the head to write good books

>>9751884
Is this really true? Hubert Selby wasn't trans, but seemed attracted to their status as outsiders enough to write about them. There's no other examples of that?

>>9751872
Sacred Country, by Rose Tremain.

There's a transsexual in INFINITE JEST guys

>>9751872
Orlando

Jesus I can't wait for this stupid tranny fad to die.

>>9752206
It's not dying until modern women stop being whores that are not worth dating.

>>9752265
Explain your reasoning

Post more traps

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>>9752466
>women not worth dating
>men get a bit weird from lack of romantic connection
>some men develop gender issues
Not sure whether that's true yet, but could be. Not him though. Pic completely unrelated.

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>>9752471
>traps
I actually think the chans fell less for the transgender meme because they had already digested the same idea differently via the trap meme.

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>folk

Why do so many urban liberals use this term?

>>9751872
One of my favorites is Invisible Monsters by Chuck Palahniuk. It´s really entertaining.

>>9752481
They don't. The whites say people and the nonwhites and other BLM apologists say bodies.
Have fun never going to college lmao

>>9752481
gender neutral term + cultural appropriation of the rural ethos they know they can never have

Kafka on the Shore was pretty good iirc

DSM-IV

>>9751872
>What are some good novels about trans folk?

TESTO JUNKY

ur welcome homie. blessings to u

>>9752633
>According to Preciado, all sexual bodies become "intelligible" according to a common "pharmacopornographic technology". There is no such thing as gender without technology. Technology could be in forms of shirts, hats, pants, glasses, socks, shoes, make up, jewelry, gloves, etc.

so this is what they mean by womemes

>>9752526
The transgender character is not revealed to be trans for some time, though. And it really only comes up in one bizarre, jarring scene that makes you think "murakami wtf does this mean"

Kitchen by banana yoshimoto, published in 1988, also has a trans character

>>9752472
This is true
I have a friend that is a 28 year old virgin, hasn't even kissed a girl and although he was always a bit of a weirdo. The last few years, he has went mad with loneliness and is now a x-gendered bisexual or something. ...We've stopped talking.

>>9753330
He should have started lifting instead of mashing is willy. Fucking hate to see people buy into bullshit because of this acceptance exalting mother society that is too compassionate to tell some they are wrong. I have a fucking sister that thinks she's a dude because she reads supernatural fan fiction and watches gay tv shows constantly and wants to be those things now. LIFE IS NOT A FUCKING CRUISE!! You are entitled to nothing!! why do jealous insecure people believe they can bend reality and neglect blatant information to be something they are not? They say that gender is subjective so I guess it's all so convenient that all of their evidence is in the same boat. Goddamit it pisses me off.

I still wack it to traps. I'll be the first to admit it is fucked though and I have a problem induced by my degenerative situation. The fact that I find them attractive is inherently connected to the fact that I failed as a man. Like the rest of the role confused cucks. I still have a chance as long as I know what is right and what is wrong. Something that has been intentionally obscured to fit the consumerist fantasy of a hedonistic wonderland.

The Tenant, but Roland Topor.

[...sorry for the spoiler...]

Lol this thread.

Straight men who believe trannies are literall TRUE HONEST women should be forced to date, marry, and have sex with trannies. See how quickly their progressive stances on trans shit evaporates.

Daily reminder that there aren't any pretty transgender females (m2f).

>>9751872
The World According to Garp, perhaps
Imogen Bennie - Nevada

>>9753798
You can lift weights and still be gay

>>9755859
True, just look at /fit/

>>9755811
You were saying?

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>>9755881
Somik Chan is best

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>>9755884

>>9755887
CUTE!

>>9751872
Kafka's the metamorphosis. The films of David Cronenberg.

>>9756204
How is metamorphosis about trannies?

>>9751872
Trans have always existed in one way ore another: many traditional societies recognised a third gender (ie. Samoa, Thailand) without it being much of a deal. Studies suggest trans people's brains display both male and female characteristics. Late capitalism does nothave a concept of community, it knows only the sovereign consumer on one side and abstract society on the other. The atomised consumer is free 'just be him/herself' and receive the recognition of abstract society, but restricted otherwise restricted, leading to a Total commodification of the self. This is why identity crisis is universal under late capitalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

>>9756292
Men turning into hideous creatures obviously.

>>9757421
HAHAHA! Good point.

>>9751884
>too fucked in the head
but writers are some of the most fucked up people in the head

I used to write stories about crossdressing and transsexual issues before this was all a thing. I liked it for the subject matter: displacement, loneliness, the uncanniness of being one thing and pretending/wanting to be another. SJWs have made everything interesting and transgressive boring.

See also: gay marriage.

>>9758031

Not just boring; aggravating and *ontologically* dangerous. Psychiatrists have been the worst, enabling (literally) self-destructive behavior while simultaneously changing the rules of diagnosis and treatment to exclude anything that doesn't play into patient delusion.

>>9756306

Ah.

I see we have still yet to find discernible talent here.

>>9751872
>folk
Why are liberals obsessed with this word? It sounds so false and niggerish.

>>9759867
It's used pretty commonly by Irish, Scottish, Southern United States, etc. I love how this is what you select to be outraged about. There's a whole world outside of your basement!

>>9756306

Do trans-peeps actually realise this? It seems like they have a desperation to portray themselves as normal when it seems quite evident that they're a normalised aberration stemming from a crisis-point in society.

Not that I'm equating the two, but people with functional mental illnesses are at least usually aware that their issues derive from social factors (i.e. depression stemming from a negative self-image).

Or maybe I'm ignorant. I suppose a book would help.

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>>9752471
Here's one

>>9751872
Just read everything Deidre McCloskey has ever read. Shes a trans woman and one of the most influential right-wing philosophers

>>9759939
Most liberals who say "folk" come from large cities and suburbs. It's an affectation to seem more "down to earth".

>>9759939
>>9759867
>>9759981
Op here, I'm Scottish. Pretty common here. Also i like folk-punk a lot so maybe it ebbed into my vernacular through that.

>>9759867
You probably think y'all is niggerish too you fucking shut in.

>>9759944
I don't think trans is a product of capitalism, but the way capitalism deals with gender identity ie. as a matter of consumer choice may just be aggravating the crisis. 'genderqueer' tumblr users and the parodic hypermasculinity of the alt right stem from the same basic problematic.

>>9760350
Interesting. I saw a post somewhere about a philosopher who deals with this issue.

>>9752481
because urban liberals have no culture

>>9760350

I agree with that and think it'll be interesting to see if it's still an issue in five years time when it's become blase.

As an outsider, it appears to be as if these people are striving for a form of hyper-individualisation. They want to define themselves as something to stand out from the rest of the crowd. It's a psychological issue manifested into physical form.

As the post I replied to said, it's likely due to a lack of community and order. The individual only knows themselves and the abstract society so they desperately seek order in a community. Whether it's being part of the LGBTQ+ crowd, or a Corbyn/Sanders voter.

Is it really all that different to when punks defined themselves based on their music choice and lack of consumerist ideals?

>>9763550
you might be thinking of tumblr girls who latch on to non binary identities because its trendy. Actual trannies tend to be awkward depressed autists who barely even go outside.

>>9752079
not a tranny just a crossdresser

>>9759867
It's not an uncommon word to use in my glorious Slavic land by everybody so fuck you.

How do I date a trans girl /lit/?

>>9765974
You don't?

>>9765169
Did you just assume their literary identity?!?

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>>9751872

>This Infant Might Be The First Baby In The World With An Official Genderless ID Card.Their parent, Kori Doty, believes doctors should not have the right to assign a baby's gender at birth.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/this-baby-might-have-the-worlds-first-genderless-health-card?utm_term=.raE3pZvDo#.xwYK2De3L

>What in the world is this world coming to? Is there no shame left? is this the end of sane society as it once was?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tSMwLQ5PI


>Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html


>Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory

>'They took turns raping me': New claims of child sex abuse revealed as gay couple accused of molesting two of their 9 adopted children withdraw guilty plea and decide to go to trial
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305125/Gay-couple-accused-molesting-9-adopted-children-withdraw-guilty-plea-decide-trial-fight-allegations.html


>‘One way philosophers might think about solving the social justice problem would be by simply abolishing the family. If the family is this source of unfairness in society then it looks plausible to think that if we abolished the family there would be a more level playing field.’
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/new-family-values/6437058

>Was World War II "the good war?" No, it was exactly the opposite. The Allied victory marked the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBXoXB3QvyI

>>9766895
But I want to

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>tfw your religion believes gender theory is bogus

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>>9751872
Definitely check out John Rechy if you haven't already. His books aren't exactly new, but they won't ever be fuckin' old either. Killer novels whether you're straight or gay. Get a copy of pic related and enjoy.

>>9765230
>so fuck you.
folk you, too!

>>9770557
You need to sort yourself out there bucko! - Jordan Peterson

>>9752494
Except they literally do. Have fun going to college but clearly never interacting with anyone.

>>9753798
At least in the USA, our society is continuing to devalue individualism and is instead consistently enforcing the value. strength, and importance of group identities (just look at the way we talk about society today - instead of venerating the rugged individualist and frontiersman that we did 30+ years ago, we today talk about group social movements - BLM, LGBTQ, Femimism, "Intersectionality," etc).

As a result kids are brought up not seeing themselves as individuals, but members of a larger group. And when they grow up not fitting fully into a group (i.e. a girl who likes boyish things, or a boy who likes girly things), they decide it's time to move over to another group, or to create some small group that fits them to a T (but doesn't really, because no group is going to). As opposed to the past when being part of a group was less important (and indeed when it was something that people viewed with some measure of skepticism).

>>9765974
>fetishising mental illness

ISHYGDT

>>9755884
His fucking eye color changed

>>9770557
Life is too short for bores. You absolutely should find a trans girl to date. I'm working on fiction about cross dressing, homosexuality and transsexualism. But it isn't political. It's about love and friendship. I really dislike stories that are gritty or grimy or otherwise gross. I like something "softer" and more realistic (for me anyway). I've never lived in big cities or ever experienced extreme or degrading sex, etc. Thats why I can't stand fiction about transgender people. I have to go to manga. But manga is too light and sometimes rather silly. Anyway. I think there will be an audience. Might help guys in your position.

>>9774229
>trans
>girls
Pick one. Either the person is a girl or a mental patient that doesn't know they have a problem.

>>9760036
I'm American and say "folk." It's how my family talks. you pick up on that shit. I guess I haven't met enough of these people to be able to speak on the matter:
>"Most liberals who say "folk" come from large cities and suburbs. It's an affectation to seem more "down to earth"
I'm inclined to say the anon got that from a newspaper, but I would be speaking beyond my experience to say definitively one way or the other.

>>9774254
>>9759981
>>9759867
>>9760036
>>9760036
Regardless of who says what and why, some of you seem pretty [TRIGGERED] by the way people use such simple things as words. For a bunch of people who think anyone who disagrees is MUH SJW SHILL, you all need a Safe Space (tm) worse than any fag I ever met!

>>9752494
they say "folk", "folks", and "folx" all the time, retard. "bodies" is only used in the context of state/disciplinary force being enacted. no one says "this space is aimed at queer, PoC, and trans bodies" but they sure as hell would use one of the variations of "folk" there

>>9774251
I pick trans

>>9751872
Fuck off, degenerate pagan faggot.

>>9751884

I was actually stumbling around public internet spaces for trans people and found a very compelling character that inspired me to start the novel I'm working on.

If any 4chan trannies are reading this they probably would know who I'm talking about.

But she's only in 1/3 of the book. As a normal person, it's not my place to write a novel "about" trans people. I'm merely involving trans characters.

The research I'm doing is rewarding because I have no social life and it gives me people to talk to.

>>9774251
Yeah well if a biological male decides to take female hormones and looks beautiful and passes, then what's the problem? If he knows he's homosexual but lives as female and his life is improved substantially then who is anybody to tell him he has a problem? It's his life, and he's happy. People should be able to live the they want.

>>9774354
Who's that? Just curious.

>>9774413

I would never violate their privacy by even hinting who they were.

But what drew me to them was how obviously wounded they were, and in such a fascinating, gender-specific way. And not in the way trans girls normally are; she passes flawlessly.

>>9774343
>>9774384
Degenerates please leave and never come back here.

>>9774422
I picked up on the wounded part as well. It's beautiful in a way I can't explain. And I don't want to sound fucked up. Like I'm making their pain into an aesthetic. But it's odd how no serious writers have dealt with this topic even adequately. Or have appreciated how much beauty is there. It seems incredible. Because the literary potential is obvious. Shakespeare would have loved traps. But your your work sounds very interesting. Do you plan to publish?

>>9751884

/thread

>>9756306

the tranny meme was invented by cosmetics companies to double their marketshare. They started the experiments in Brazil and Thailand

>>9774384
>If he knows he's homosexual but lives as female and his life is improved substantially

except it never does and then he either kills himself or starts agitating to get even with whomever he decides to blame for his failure

>>9772240

>we never used to group people into male and female, that's a new thing.

>>9775641

I don't see the beauty part. To me it's tragic. The body is a cage- for everyone.

I want to just slap the novel in a .pdf and freely distribute it with my paypal info in the back. I figure it's a lot easier as a new author to get people to pay you after, rather than before, they read your work. Ideally I'd just post it here and you all could read it for free.

I'm open to trying amazon. One thing I'm sure of is that I'm never submitting to a traditional publisher. The financial split is terrible, and seems like it's preying on insecure, egotistical writers who want to be a Published Author and aren't aware that we're living in a digital age.

>>9751872
>What are some good novels about trans folk?
The DSM–5.

>>9751884
>the only people who care about trans issues are trans people
Correction: The only people who care about trans issues are social justice warriors, and even then it's just a guise for smashing the patriarchy because they don't actually care about trans issues.

>>9776770
It's pretty bad I agree. But do you have an audience ready to receive you work? The problem I have with self publishing on Amazon is that I don't know how to get readers to buy my book. I'd love to read your work. You have a website or blog? I'm told every writer needs one of those as well. In fact I heard from someone that even many traditional publishers strongly prefer you have a good size readership or following ready before they'll look at the manuscript.

>>9776918

I don't care about any of that. I'm so confident in my writing that I expect it to be spread by the readers rather than the industry. If this approach falls flat, well then, guess I need to do better next time.

Even if my novel ends up meaning something to only one person in this lonely world, I will consider writing it worth my effort. I'm not looking for fortune or fame or respect.

>>9776098
That's only happens if he thinks of himself as an actual female rather than as a male living as a female. Most don't think they are actually female. And that keeps them sane. It's only the political ones (as always) that ruin things. Imagine if most or all females were radical feminists. Life in this country would become completely intolerable. But most females are sane. And sane ideas keep a person content and at peace with himself.

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>>9759944
Supposedly gender identity disorder is caused by brain problems that isn't too different from homosexuality. One disorder makes you want to fuck your own gender, the other makes you want to crossdress.
You do have a point for the SJWs who pretend to be trans because they want to be part of the oppressed lgbt, though.

Just listen to a Lou Reed album.

>>9751884
I know a trans guy (MtF) who is hilarious

he becomes very humourless when it comes to LGBT stuff tho

>>9776789
/thread

Still nothing of merit I see.