Choose your side

who?

isn't Nick Land really racist?

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chaotic good

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you know who it is

Tough, probably Teddy

i dont like either but anarchism is probably the dumbest imaginable political philosophy

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hottie boi I like it

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>>9736076

i dont like either but nrx is the darnest imaginable political philosophy and i no english good

>>9736320
go home ted

Which endindg did you choose in Deus Ex? Land is Helios and Kaczynski is Tracer Tong.

>>9736395
Tong ofc. what is some lit with the deus ex vibe? don't say pynchon, RAW, or william gibson

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Nick Land because he isn't a terrorist and doesn't condone terrorism

>>9736437
But terrorism is less awful than the slow obsolescence of humanity as capital becomes sentient and we all grow face tentacles or whatever

>>9736603
>robots take over all economic functions, leaving humans to artistic pursuit
What's the problem?

>>9736607
stupid people feel sad and worthless without a "job"

>>9736607
I don't know if Land thinks the robots are just going to simply let us get on with art.

isn't Nick Land really racist?

Better question: who has a higher IQ?

>>9736607
We starve while the four or five people who own the robots rule over us.

>>9736076
Better question: Was Teddy's actions justified, /lit/?

>>9736603
You say that like that's a bad thing.

>>9736820
>Better question: who has a higher IQ?

Teddy is #1 smart boy:

"As a result of testing conducted in the fifth grade, which determined he had an IQ of 167, he was allowed to skip the sixth grade and enroll in the seventh grade."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Early_life

>>9736607
we're deadzos

>>9736607
>robots take over all economic functions, leaving humans to

ftfy

Teddy is my man, although I don't think his terrorism is justifiable.
However Land's predictions might come true, sadly.

I'm planning on living a secluded life in the country as soon as I save enough money, cities be damned, when shit hits the fan I'd rather die a dignified death than see the world become a shit hole without humanity.

>>9736828
Well, they weren't justified, but he was right on his analysis. Putting bombs is going to put people off about your ideology and he didn't achieve anything he wanted but making himself the number one target of the FBI.
If I was him I would have tried to make a movement out of the manifesto, there were surely more people thinking the same, but he would have risked the whole aspect of the FBI/CIA trying to get rid of him/it. Also he was a smart (but crazy) man, so I suppose he saw no other way.

Both are hacks. I can see people getting seduced into thinking Land isn't a snake oil salesman, but reading Kaczynski it should obvious to anyone with a brain that he's an idiot. I'm not even critiquing his luddism or anarcho-primitivism. Kaczynski's logic is fucking terrible.

He can't think. He can't write. There's no discernible talent.

>>9736979
His manifesto is literally some idiot who took Ellul's ideas and made them stupid. He wasn't particularly smart and had no real influence in the field of math. He makes all luddites look bad. And that's not even considering his terrorism. Without it, he would still be a retard.

Do yourself a favor and read Ellul. Skip this idiot.

Threadly reminder that the only decent thing Kaczynski ever wrote was his 1971 essay. His manifesto is when he went full retard and his post-manifesto writings are just as bad.

>>9738037
>aced Quine's legendary course on logic
>became Berkeley's youngest mathematics professor answer
>"Kaczynski's logic is fucking terrible. He can't think. He can't write. There's no discernible talent."
neck yourself pseud

>>9738060
> implying any of that has a relation to his manifesto

The logic in his manifesto is literally "If you're not hunting rabbits all day, you're going to become a leftist activist."

I feel bad for you if this fires your neurons.

>>9736076
Land. I want that which played me to make it to level 2.

>>9738103
>The logic in his manifesto is literally "If you're not hunting rabbits all day, you're going to become a leftist activist."
This rings true to me given the atmosphere of universities nowadays. The unrepentant march of modernity has people revolting against capitalism in such a way that it only suits the interests of the ruling class in the long-run.

You make it seem like I have a choice

Ted Kaczynski obviously.

But since we're obviously not reversing this shit show, there's nothing to do but read it in times of despair to remind oneself there is no hope for anyone.

>>9736607
muh power process

>>9738037
Where do I start with Ellul if I don't care about religion?

>>9738449
You really must be stupid

>>9736607
art is for supreme fucking faggots

and I say this as someone whose only hobby is appreciation and creation of art.

also, what is the point of art if it isn't complementary to life? go complain some more about how there have been no great novels recently, completely unaware of why this is

>>9738531
art is literally more important than most other forms of employment

>>9736076
Teddy did nothing wrong.
#Team Kaczynski

>>9738558
it's really not important, just like anything else. i swear, I can't stand to even read high literature anymore. so much posturing and "meaning".
I really ask myself, what even is this? most of it is totally unnecessary and only the fool or very fortunate won't reach a point where they look at books with all their meaning and think "this is totally and utterly stupid, to hell with the meaning, give me something real"

>>9738528
Not an argument.

I choose Goonan.

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Kaczynski is for cowards who want to hide from their future. There is only one legitimate choice.

>>9738681
thats cause your a goon :)

>>9738037
I swear this guy shows up in every Kaczynski thread saying the exact same thing.

>>9738526
The Technological Society

>>9736076
left

>>9736607
>there are 2 or three actual artists per generation
>muh we would be miltons if only we had the time!

>>9736257
>humans are inherently bad

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>>9736607
total dependence

>>9736167
lads what would nick land be? chaotic evil? true neutral?

>>9738526
probably the propaganda/mass media book

>>9736607

What is the point of artistic pursuit when the human experience has been trivialized to decadent pleasure seeking

There is no catharsis without conflict. Once we've forgotten that we need to fight for our survival, we've condemned ourselves to a brief future of existential ennui before lying down to die

>>9739199
You say that like lazy people don't have conflicts

>>9739023
I never implied any of that.
>>9739062
And why would that be bad?

>>9738531
Found the STEMfag.

Teddy K Unabomber madman is my fucking homeboy nigger so of course imma choose his side yo fuck computers n shit keeping us down

pseud city

nick land seems to have found a novel way to appear radical and transgressive while effectively endorsing the status quo. at the end of the day, his philosophy is about giving more power to the people who already have it and taking it away from the rest of us, especially the poor and marginalized. why on earth would anyone think it would be a good idea for vulgar sv shitheads like zuckerberg or bezos to have terminators?

transhumanism is good. neo-feudalism isn't.

fuck both of them.

>>9736607
>artistic pursuit
Mmmm more like living in a shoebox and "surviving" on soylent sweetie

>>9739752
what a stupid reply

>>9738103
Since rightwing thought is geared towards the constant awareness of the Ernstfall he is correct. Plus if you are not estranged from the means of production but provide for yourself through hunting you do not fall into the marxist definition of exploitation, making you immune to lefitst thought.

>>9736076
teddy,
kill everyone in the fed and speculative finance instead
hey, it isnt political, so its not terrorism, its just outright murder

>>9738807
hey cool someone saved my meme

>>9738807
But he was doing speed daily when he was still teaching.

>>9736076
Kaczynski because its better to go with the devil you know. Nick Land wants to create a fucking cosmic computer despot. Technology has already been a disaster

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>tfw told my shrink a cold god is urging its birth from the future

>>9740622
Ted was delusional in thinking the process could be reversed though, while Nick Land merely hops aboard the inevitable.

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>>9740707
We might nuke ourselves into the stone age again

>>9740717
There are too many remains of industrial society around. Steel and guns everywhere, structures remaining, old roads will still be around, et cetera. It would be more mad max than stone age.

>>9740744
>post-apocalyptia
>doesn't have muslims

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>>9736161
He took enough LSD to transform Racism into a moral good.

>>9736428
Snow Crash

>>9740707
I'm resigned to the fact that you're right

>>9740838
Me as well desu.

>>9738037
>He can't think. He can't write. There's no discernible talent.
well meme'd my good sir. have an upvote :^)

>>9740785
Racism has always been a moral good and evolutionary benefit.

>>9736607
Because that second part won't happen

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>>9739065
>nick land's alignment

once, i was called saruman the grey
now, i am saruman the white

>>9740934
so edgy

>>9736607
While you're busy slaving away at your artistic pursuits, Chad is fucking his robot sex slave

I think I'm starting to legitimately fear things properly as a result of what Nick Land is doing. Might have to start looking into his philosophy so I can properly address and argue against it.

>>9736257
t. hasn't read Kaczynski

>>9741524
It's not even edgy, just true.

Why do you think we evolved to be racist in the first place? It was selected for.

Only through supreme independancy can you truly master yourself and be free, and only through violence can you shape the world to your will. Ted understands this. Land doesn't want to be free. He wants to be a meme slave

>>9736076
Both sides justify certain subsets of violence against nonbelievers in their ideology so I'm fine with either. We must scapegoat somebody asap or our society will unravel.

>>9742230
ive read his retarded manifesto
its truly written like a stemfag autist

>>9742077
what do u fear?

>>9736161
Not in the traditional sense, he just likes HBD to accelerate human development

Nick Land is right but Ted is the better man

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>>9740785
this is literally the best take of Nick Land I've ever read

>>9742982
Isn't Land's endgame the end of humanity through the rise of super AI or something?

>>9743205
his philosophy is that humans are parasites and it would ultimately be better for the universe if we didn't exist, so he encourages things that accelerate that scenario

>>9743268
Exactly why I'm alarmed and feel the need to read him and understand his ideology.

>>9743274
I wouldn't think too hard about it, if the AI thing pans out there is nothing you could do to prevent it anyway
It's along the same lines as worrying about super volcanos, meteors or the sun exploding

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>>9743288
We're probably already past the point of no return for (hostile/indifferent) AI takeover. All the incentives are in place and both corporations and powerful governments are racing towards super AI with little to no regard for security given that it's a winner-takes-it-all arms race type of situation.

Carpe diem lads, tomorrow may be Cold.

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>>9743352
carpe diem carpe extramundus

>what does it mean
>idk sounded cool i guess

>>9743352
coldness be my god

Maybe we could get a reading list based on this ongoing debate?

>>9743499
what debate? theyre both retards and no on ITT is saying anything of value, only blind praise

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>>9743499
Ted only wrote one thing I think.

>>9743640
There are still plenty of philosophers that write about ideas against technology along these lines.

>>9736820
nick land moved to an IQ shredder so his brain is probably FUCKED

>>9743716
might like linkola and zerzan perhaps desu

>>9743720
he has kids though

>>9743737
Thanks for at least being helpful. I'm already somewhat aware of Linkola thanks to an Environmentalist philosopher at my university and I found out about Zerzan this morning through this thread and some research.

I'm mainly just trying to curate a reading list for myself and anyone else that may be interested. This thread is redeemable it just needs some work done.

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>>9736607
>Implying the robots won't surpass humans in artistic pursuits

>>9743856
Can I get some manga, anime, books, any other sources about this exact thing happening?

I see you are all learning as the thread matures in both age and content.

>>9743757
general back to the land types like thoreau and tolstoy may also be worth looking at

also wolfi landstreicher

also possible interesting resource:

http://www.primitivism.com

also extremely weird old artist guy living in a broken down farmhouse in ireland chanelling diogenes and sticking things up his arse between paintings and poems:

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/

>>9743288
>Pans out
What's that shiny thing in my mind? Is it a mine? Wonder what's in there?

>>9744188
Strange how the eyes learn to speak to the hands without the mouth to intervene in these thingamajigs.

do stemfags realize their jobs will become obsolete way before artists'? i mean, what's easier, to teach a machine how to self-code or to teach it how to create sublime works of depth and beauty? there's nothing mysterious about good code. great art, on the other hand, is something of a mystery. even people who study art all their lives wouldn't be able to come up with a formula for how to create a great work of art. even the artists responsible would have troubling spelling it out for you. i'm not saying it's impossible, but art will be one of, maybe the very last thing to go before all human life, as is it is currently understood, approaches obsolescence and ultimately extinction.

>>9744188
>wolfi landstreicher
Apparently they just got his Wikipedia page about a week ago. /lit/ you know how to fix this!

>>9744448
>Apparently they just got his Wikipedia page about a week ago.
yeah i noticed, the cunts

>>9744335
i don't follow

>>9744630
He seems to have a few books published so I don't see why we can't make a case for letting it be made again.

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>>9736076
A CHALLENGER APPEARS

>>9744188
Interesting, can you think of any more past authors of interest and a few more contemporaries as well?

Guessing you are a fellow person afraid of AI and other technological advances?

>>9744766
i have sympathy for both primitivists and accelerationists. the only position i have little sympathy for is that this weird transitional phase we're in is just fine.

i think there is an evolutionary mismatch between human biology and civilisation, so we either have to retreat from civilisation or go beyond the human. at the point we're not equipped to deal with the artificial environment, the zoo, we have created for ourselves.

zapffe's last messiah is interesting and so is freud's civilization and its discontents.

realistically i think a hunter-gather society is the only way of life were large scale human contentedness is possible because it's a way of life that matches all of our traits since we evolved for that context. but i don't think we could return to that way of life, so hastening human extinction might be the next best thing. since individual humans have no control over events on a species scale, there's really nothing to do desu.

>>9744766
this is a fun lad:

http://www.inspiracy.com/black/abolition/abolitionofwork.html

>>9744857
whynotboth

hunter-scavengers roaming a cyber acropolis with knowledge too cryptic to decipher setting civilization back eons. the machines are neither malevolent nor beneficent, just benign as long as you don't fuck up the infrastructure because who cares about a few ants? occasionally you get terminators but fellow humans are your worst enemies.

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>>9744915
Sounds possible as well desu, but I'd guess the machinados might compete for some of the same resources as us, or simply don't care about things like having an environment that sustains biological lifeforms, let alone delicate monkey ones.

Siliconians might just poison the entire planet as a side effect because they have no incentive not to do so.

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>>9743862
github . com/mattya/chainer-DCGAN

>>9744968
What even is this?

>>9744968
are these machine generated waifus?

>>9744760
wu dis?

>>9744964
that water isn't nearly dirty enough

>>9744968
>>9744977
Whatever it is I'd prefer if the person's question was actually answered.

>>9744403
I'm afraid to inform you that artistry automation is already underway but we've been trying to automate programming for fucking decades

>>9744857
you know freud was only joking right

>>9744973
>>9744977
>machine generated waifus

Why do Land and other thinkers treat automation and the creation of an AI like it's inevitable, when it's all driven by human activity?

What if there's runaway climate change, or we have a nuclear war? That seems like it would throw a kink in Land's plans for the ascension of Capital.

>>9745002
>all driven by human activity
you're conflating all with a seed
right now we are successfully seeding it with human activity to generate completely new things without further human input

>>9744981
maybe it's merely immaculate cooling water for the technohive, no pollution necessary

maybe future technology will leave the world paleolithic levels of pristine

>>9736076
flippin da patties

>>9745024
maybe the village is a voluntary commune of primitivists, which explains the clean air/water and lack of technology even by trade

that's less dystopian than i originally thought

>>9744403
there is nothing mysterious about pristine art, there could be artificial art creation distributed online and then be selected by human taste through analytics and machine learning, causing natural selection based on what humans respond to the most.

even now machines are already better at making clickbait than humans because the massive amounts of data they have on us. they will get the formula down for what we find irresistible sooner than later.

>>9736076
>two cunts
Is this supposed to be fuck, marry, kill? Where's the other one?

>>9744979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CTZFLgUYew

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recent Land coupled with LSD visuals for any whomst's interested: https://vimeo.com/223902358/bbf68a469d

>>9744857
Interested in hearing more from you, do you have a throwaway email by chance? At least you've given me a pretty solid start to a reading list that will keep me occupied for a little while at least.

bumping with the hope that thread is still active in the morning when I wake up.

>>9736395
all of them

>>9744766
Marshall Mcluhan, Friedrich Kittler

>>9739062
*sniffs

>>9745002
>What if there's runaway climate change, or we have a nuclear war? That seems like it would throw a kink in Land's plans for the ascension of Capital.

Not to mention block chain not panning out. Land is a meme. He has to virtue-signal to alt-right autists (basically Peterson fans tier people) to get people to believe in his retarded "philosophy."

Also, Deleuze & Guattari were hacks. So Land is doubly retarded and guaranteed to be wrong.

>>9744857
> realistically i think a hunter-gather society is the only way of life were large scale human contentedness is possible

Not only are you contradicting yourself but you simply don't know history or economics.

>>9746325
>Not only are you contradicting yourself but you simply don't know history or economics.
That's not a very constructive criticism famalam please elaborate.

>>9746003
>Friedrich Kittler
I've seen his name before and he seems interesting. Can you give me the basic rundown on his philosophy?

>>9745270
What's the source of that Land clip?

>>9748780
I'm not sure, but the credits had said that Eduardo Makoszay edited everything. I might be wrong but I had the impression that Makoszay filmed the interview himself after I read the credits. The video also stated that it was the first in a series of forthcoming videos. It will be hard to catch whatever comes next as I only got the link through an unexplained tweet by Crypt.
Apparently he changed the video since I posted that link though, because it used to be a 45 minute video, now just 2:26. Very strange.

>>9748853
Alternatively one might follow the guy's Vimeo account

>>9748853
>>9748878
If that's the case I'd rather him just release the interviews without adding in all his artsy fartsy crap.

>>9748892
It was almost harder to follow because every sentence had been chopped up so much. Maybe Land was digressing too much.

I do commend Makoszay on the effort though. Adderall rants can be hard enough to understand in real time, but to edit one post hoc and maintain coherence, breddy good.

>>9748933
>Adderall rants
Land doesn't still do amphetamines, does he?

>>9746052
*BRAP

>>9736076

>tfw people compare you to unabomber

>tfw you are neither at a university or in possession of any sort of bomb, do not hold any terrorist sentiments, and just enjoy reading philosophy

>>9749576
Go back to uni and develop your philosophy and a bit more in the hopes that people think more highly of you?

>>9749446
lol impossible to know for sure. he gets negged for it on twitter all the time though.

>Land and Plant’s offices in the department also became CCRU hubs. “They were generous with their time,” said Grant, “And he had good drugs – skunk [cannabis]. Although it could be grim going in there, once he started living in his office. There would be a tower of Pot Noodles and underwear drying on the radiator, which he had washed in the staff loos.”

>The Warwick campus stayed open late. When the philosophy department shut for the night, the CCRU decamped to the student union bar across the road, where Land would pay for all the drinks, and then to each other’s houses, where the group mind would continue its labours. “It was like Andy Warhol’s Factory,” said Grant. “Work and production all the time.”

>“The CCRU became quasi-cultish, quasi-religious,” says Mackay. “I left before it descended into sheer madness.” Two of the unit’s key texts had always been the Joseph Conrad novel Heart of Darkness and its film adaptation, Apocalypse Now, which made collecting followers and withdrawing from the world and from conventional sanity seem lethally glamorous. In their top-floor room, Land and his students drew occult diagrams on the walls. Grant says a “punishing regime” of too much thinking and drinking drove several members into mental and physical crises. Land himself, after what he later described as “perhaps a year of fanatical abuse” of “the sacred substance amphetamine”, and “prolonged artificial insomnia ... devoted to futile ‘writing’ practices”, suffered a breakdown in the early 2000s, and disappeared from public view.

wew lad

>>9750753
now I know why he likes Lovecraft

>>9750753
t. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/11/accelerationism-how-a-fringe-philosophy-predicted-the-future-we-live-in

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>>9750766
>
>Land lay behind the stage, flat on the floor (a ‘snake-becoming’ forming the first stage of bodily destratification), croaking enigmatic invocations intercut with sections from Artaud’s asylum poems. In this delirious vocal telegraphy, meaning seemed to disintegrate into sheer phonetic matter, melting into the cut-up beats and acting directly on the subconscious. As Land began to speak in his strange, choked-off voice (perhaps that ‘absurdly high pitched ... tone ... ancient demonists described as ‘silvery,’ which he later reports being taunted by) the disconcerted audience begin to giggle; the demon voice wavered slightly until Land’s sense of mission overcame his momentary self-consciousness; and as the ‘performance’ continued the audience fell silent, eyeing each other uncertainly as if they had walked into a funeral by mistake. Embarrassment was regarded by Land as just one of the rudimentary inhibitions that had to be broken down in order to explore the unknown – in contrast to the forces of academic domestication, which normalised by fostering a sense of inadequacy and shame before the Masters, before the edifice of what is yet to be learnt.

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>>9736607
>leaving humans to artistic pursuit
Pic related. It's a portrait of people who think this is a likely outcome.

>>9739036
>tfw the future has already happened

>>9749576
Preach.

>>9749716
Naw. That'll just be asking to be looked down upon by another group. How about true Epicurianism. Attempt to live outside the cannibalistic centres, enjoy company and friends, enjoy modest pleasures - and do nothing as much as is humanly possible. All while the earth groans in either agony or ecstasy - descriptions which will never be more than human.

>>9751264
So being NEET and smoking dank is true Epicureanism?

>>9736607
>Artistic pursuit.

1. Too may people are brainlets lacking intelligence, appreciation for the aesthetic mastery required for artistic pursuits, and the ability to judge quality.
2. Robots taking over all economic fuctions will fuck us all up. Our 'purpose' will cease to exist for those who can't pursue artistic endeavors and/or be idle.
3. It will lead people to lives of meaningless, unfulfilling degeneracy, hedonism, nihilism etc.
4. Probably leading to chaos and destruction of the robot overlords (assuming they can't defend themselves from humans shutting them down or destroying them).

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neither
RIP

>>9752168
>There are things they’ve forgotten. More profound than greed or jealousy, they’ve forgotten what icons and idols and angels and daemons do. That they have a certain power, an influence over the thoughts and expectations of the world which has no real parallel in history. They’ve forgotten, if they ever understood it, that with power and influence come responsibility.

>They’ve forgotten things buried a long, long way down in the human psyche, things that only anthropologists and historians like to talk about. They’ve forgotten that when you make a God-King, you have to ritually burn him alive once his reign’s over.

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>>9752226
interdasting

There is going to be a TV special on Ted soon.

>>9739199
>There is no catharsis without conflict.
This.
All art will become near meaningless if there is no struggle and strife.

You want proof? Well then, just look around why don't you?!

>>9736395
>not Illuminati master race

>>9752560
Give actual proof please.

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>>9745034
>there is nothing mysterious about pristine art

spoken like a guy whose favorite book is ender's game.

pic related is an actual painting. while it's incredibly impressive, most people wouldn't consider it a great work of art. why?

>>9755038
Because it might as well be a photo, and a boring one at that.

You seem to be implying that machines could only make that type of art, which is unwarranted.

>>9745034
>there could be artificial art creation distributed online and then be selected by human taste through analytics and machine learning, causing natural selection based on what humans respond to the most.

so basically an ai focus group? lmao.

>>9755126
A human focus group the size of all internet users, with input and results curated by AI.

>>9751289
Naw. I just state "true" Epicurianism to ward off the accusations of hedonism. I don't mean true. Nor do I mean NEET. Education and employment are inescapable for this current batch of humans.

Make plans for five generations of families divorced from the centres, devoting themselves to small regional communities - that's the experiment I'm suggesting someone else other than me take if they're contemplating this false dichotomy....

Truly, if you haven't figured out the way in which the games between these two poles align, you've missed your chance, and you may have damned your potential offspring.

>>9752560
We by Zamyatin comes to mind.

But realistically, struggle and strife for humanity will always exist because of how our brains work. The environmental degradation of the earth is relative to states at which the generation who measures that degradation is born into, and so it is with us now and in the future. A first world struggle can eventually be felt at the level as a third world struggle. Humans are not just the gods' children, they're the children of their environment. If you'd like to argue about comparisons not being equal, you're simply building a scale without observing yourself or the lives of animals in captivity close enough.

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Why does this board not enjoy complexity? Give me a choice of between five seven or thirteen, and then I'll pick two, stick them in a room, slowly suck out the air, and tell them they must compromise if they want me to open the door. Than you'd more interesting solutions and more interesting states of misery.

>>9755215
>Education and employment are inescapable for this current batch of humans.
it isn't though

>>9755224
If you define education and employment for me, I'll probably just point out how hard hermits work, and how steep the learning curve it is to succeed as one. But go ahead. Define away.

>>9736820
Kaczynski obviously. lol

>>9755252
They're probably both still above 150 even if they've lost a couple cells from all the lsd

>>9755249
Sitting at home collecting welfare is something most normies can't do for long stretches of time but I wouldn't exactly call it hard.

>>9755267
you ever hear about the studies on mushrooms and brain cells? Or on LSD? You should look into why the damage occurs. Very interesting how a stress and strokes are less likely to happen when certain environmental and cultural variables are controlled for in certain cases.

Winter is a bad season.

Both have their points to offer.

>>9738037
But he did give luddism and anarcho-primitivism a level of public attention it wouldn't have otherwise got. Bad publicity is better than no publicity and all that.