New Benatar drops today. Who /HYPED/?

Did all the Benatar fans kill themselves?

>>9701307
my sides

Even though I'm an antinatalist I think Benetar's rhetoric is pretty terrible.

>>9701329
How so?

>>9701329
And what antinatalist rhetoric is good?

>>9701651
the stuff about consent and disutility. Asymmetry isn't argued very well is all

>>9701750
Do elaborate.
>>9700991
Bookdepository started shipping a couple weeks ago, already read it..

literally, literally who?

>>9701750
You don't need to argue for asymmetry directly since you can just show how no one in their right minds will deny it, eg.
theviewfromhell.blogspot.com/2008/07/austrian-basement-and-beyond.html

>>9701750
I think his approach is interesting since it caters to different intuitions than the 'woe is me' approach. Most antinatalists just appeal to emotion and thereby only preach to the choir.

>>9702112
Benatar is basically the only active/respected academic who takes an antinatalist stance, which makes him an interesting lad.

>>9702107
>Bookdepository started shipping a couple weeks ago, already read it..
Please give us a quick rundown/review, anon

How can he go from writing one of the greatest (albeit flawed) modern philosphy books "Better to Have Never Been" and then write some mediocre MRA bullshit?

>>9702523
I mean it's basically just a spelling out of his views/a defense of philosophical pessimism written with his basic academic style.
This review gives a good rundown
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R5IGGGMQ4Q1F7/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0190633816
>>9702546
You can't shame away real issues.

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>>9702112
was pretty popular in the 80s
did "love is a battlefield"

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>>9702505
I agree that is the worst you can do. Its just that I used to get caught in a trap where the cconversation would go something like this

>no pain is good
>absence of pleasure is not bad
>hey wait a second, why not?
>because you cannot deprive a nonentity
>you can't spare a nonentity either
>draw a blank

Now I speak in terms of a single potential entity which as it does not exist is automatically spared and obviously cannot be deprived until it first comes into existence.

>>9704495
I have a lot of sympathy for philosophical pessimism but I just can't see how the asymmetry thesis can work.

>>9704519
Why not? Pleasure is the amelioration of desire. They even knew that 500 years before Jesus came along.