Easy mode: If Orwell was writing today - what would he focus

Guys like Orwell and Nietzsche can't be produced in today's society.

>>9700248
Sure they can, especially guys like Orwell

gay sex

despair
despair

Orwell: Impending nationalism, culturism and racial tension.

Nietzsche: Probably the same sorts of thing as before only with greater scope. He would be more militant about religion and there being no need for it. He probably would have been good friends with Christopher Hitchens.

>>9700236
>Hard mode: If Nietzsche was writing today - what would he focus on?
tumblr blogging.

Orwell would probably write a dystopian YA novel and do interviews where he talks about it as a metaphor for the Trump presidency.

Nietzsche would be red-polled prove me wrong

I hope I don't sound too /pol/ here, but I think Nietzsche would be fascinated by how Trump came to power. It almost LOOKS like the triumph of an ubermensch, but I feel like in truth it isn't. I think it would intrigue him.

>>9700366
That is not /pol/ at all. There are many independent voters and liberals a like to are trying to delve into how it happened, my self included. Everyone, even conservatives though Hillary would win. Pennsylvania went red for Christ sakes! Pennsylvania!

>>9700428
It's not a mystery, it's just the rise of populism; it's been happening everywhere and it was bound to come to the USA. If Nietzsche were around 50 years ago, he would have predicted it.

>>9700428
It really isn't that mysterious though, Hillary's campaign was atrocious.

>>9700462
>it's just the rise of populism
It isn't just populism, the left have completely failed to ride the populist wave despite running their best candidates in decades with populist manifestos, conservatism has become the new counter-culture after the left's failed projects materialized.

>>9700428
dude, it was obvious hillary was going to lose for a few reasons (Although the liberal media tricked a lot of us into thinking she was still going to win) let me cover the big ones:

democrats went for an "electable" candidate...is no one old enough to remember john kerry vs dubya? howard dean was like the sanders of those primaries, but all the democrats thought he wasn't electable so they went with kerry, and what happened? the electable kerry was not elected. that was the first warning sign.

second warning sign: calling all of your opponents supports denigrating names. remember mitt romney and the "makers vs. takers"? when a candidate publicly insults half the country they are getting frustrated, and going to lose.

finally, and i didn't notice this until recently, and apparently no one else did either including a lot of "real serious people" with expensive degrees and nice suits...if americans wanted the clinton agenda they would have elected al gore! does no one remember that? al gore lost! because people were sick of clintonism! sure "it was close" but if people were really as in love with the clintons as the democrats think it wouldn't have been a squeaker coming down to a couple hanging chads in florida, ok.

i don't get all how these "experts" and "professionals" couldn't see this

>>9700510
Middle-aged, working-class people didn't vote for Trump to be transgressive

Orwell would have been pro-Brexit and Nietzsche would have favored Trump even before the primaries.

>>9700523
It isn't like Sanders was electable either, there's literally a crate in Trumps office for 2020 of the crazy shit Sanders has done and said, none of it used in 2016.

>>9700510
>hillary clinton
>best candidate in decades

come on dude, the people at the nytimes get paid a lot of money to write stupid shit like that, but that doesn't mean you should do it for free

>>9700538
>crates of dirt

there were crates of dirt on trump too, but that didn't stop him from steamrolling the bush family and every other bitch ass hack who tried to step to him

>>9700550
Trump is built of teflon, Sanders campaign couldn't even shake a single BLM incident.

>>9700534
>Orwell would have been pro-Brexit

I think this is actually true. British socialism has a weird anti-Europe streak running through it. See all the rumors that Corbyn voted Leave.

>>9700554
yeah, but see that was the clinton/soros machine attacking sanders from the left, they never tried that with trump! the dnc fucked up by painting trump as the furthest right candidate ever because it left no room for a divide and conquer attack from the right to split his base, short of running a neonazi or something, but then it would only work to make trump look moderate! oh man, trump is honestly a fucking genius, he played them all

>>9700550
>Sanders runs in 2020
>Trump walkers on stage
>reads his "women fantasize about being gang raped" essay out loud
>"Which one should I read next, the age of consent laws are a social construct essay or police report of him stealing and failing to pay child support?"
The Republicans admitted they have 4 secret videos they never used against him.

>>9700574
>The Republicans admitted they have 4 secret videos they never used against him.

yeah, sure, just like trump made it sound like he taped comey to fuck up his testimony, there's no proof there's any damning tapes of sanders, if there were the clintons would have used them to dispatch him early...i think the republicans are scared of sanders and they are trying to make people think he's "unelectable" like you're doing now

>>9700587
>if there were the clintons would have used them to dispatch him early...
>The Republicans have secret videos
>clintons would have used them
I don't even

>i think the republicans are scared of sanders
You didn't fucking pay attention during the election did you?

>>9700605
you think the dnc couldn't get their hands on the same videos as the rnc?

and again, the polls showed sanders beating trump so yes they were scared of him, which is why they say they "would rather" run against him, which is bullshit

this last election cycle has proved to me that the majority of people are just fucking stupid as shit, especially the people who think they are smart about these things

>>9700574
wtf I love sanders now

>>9700462
>>9700494
I didn't say it is a mystery but it was a shock at first. Is what I mean. Obviously we have figured out ideas to explain it but it was still unexpected.

>>9700301

zero understanding of Nietzsche

>>9700523
I didn't mean it is still a mystery. I mean it was just unexpected at first. there are plenty of explainations now.
The DNC not choosing Bernie was a shit show for sure. I will not deny that. And having the same people she ran against and talked shit Bout and intern talked shit about her, suddenly endorse her is pretty ridiculous (Bernie, OBAMA). We are all (including acid Bernie supporters supposed to sit there and take it seriously.
Even so, it was the belief that this country had become so liberal over Tha last 8 years over Obama that there was no way a republican could win again...so the media thought anyway.

>>9700677
people voted for obama because the clintonite media was calling him a socialist through the primaries, and then the republicans started calling him a socialist in the general, so people voted for him hoping to get a socialist, of course he was no such thing, just like everyone called trump a national socialist and people were like ok let's give it a try, if people wanted more clintons back in the white house they would have elected al gore in 2000, and that was before we saw how horrific nafta was for jobs or how terroristic repealing glass steagal was etc.

>>9700236
Orwell would be a nominally 'left wing' liberal shill with pro interventionist neocon tendencies. He would bemoan 'political polarisation', would talk about the radical left (vague threath comprising jeremy corbyn, sjws and 'bernie bros') being a mirror image of the alt right.

>>9700720
Orwell would try to convince you to vote for a blairite while secretly voting for Rees-Mogg

>>9700236
>Orwell
Lol

>Nietzsche
We already have icycalm.

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>Thread about Orwell and Nietzsche
>Orwell is British and Nietzsche is German
>Americans talk about Trump
>???

>>9700742
Since its founding, America has fascinated European intellectuals. I believe Nietzsche actually wrote more than a little about America.

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>>9700742
Most users here are American. Deal with it faggot.

>>9700720
He was a Socialist and fought in POUM, etc.

>>9700753
The sad thing is half the Europhiles here are also American and get really upset when you remind them of the state of Europe's academia.

>>9700747
Maybe, but that time has mostly passed now that the entire world is pretty similar politically.
And i mean politically as in government institutions. There isn't much to talk about American culture and civic society nowadays.

>>9700753
So what? Talking about Trump in thread about Orwell and Nietzsche is self indulgent and stupid. Like Americans i suppose.

>>9700771
I've always thought it hilarious when Socialists attempt to claim Orwell, he was the worst socialist ever and straight up betrayed other socialists to the government on a dime.

>>9700807
>Maybe, but that time has mostly passed now that the entire world is pretty similar politically.

It really, really isn't. It's especially funny that you try to say this and use America as an example. American politics are like some bizarre fever dream, they're nothing like European politics.

>>9700771
If Orwell was alive today, he would definitely write for the Guardian.

>>9700833
Euro here, how the fuck aren't our politics a "bizarre fever dream"? they're straight up out of a kafka nightmare, I'll only cover the nightmare that is Italy

>still hasn't recovered from the financial meltdown despite being constantly injected with liquid cash on a regular basis so the banks don't explode and take half of Germany with it
>Productivity is falling, which is so fucking confusing to economists they've coined multiple paradoxes just explain how fucked up it is over there
>We fucking celebrated a 35.2 percent unemployment rate because it was so low
>Our national airline would rather shoot itself in the face with a double barrelled shotgun than job cuts

>>9700833
>American politics are like some bizarre fever dream, they're nothing like European politics
Just because journalists, and "political "experts" " talk a lot about America, doesn't mean they are the focal point of academic discussion.
Shit like American elections, although fun to watch, isn't particularly ground breaking politically. It's a horserace shit show, with authoritarian ideologies and corruption sprinkled in.
So basically nothing has changed in America for the last 100 years.

Also it isn't the most prosperous nation in the world anymore, so the utopian politics have moved on to modeling Scandinavia, or Switzerland. Trying to figure out what worked so well there, and if it can be transplanted to other nations.
From a civic society standpoint, Asia as a whole is more interesting to study academically. Things like rapid change, globalization, economy, etc.

>>9700877
I forgot
>economy so depressed The Sicilian mafia is packing up and moving their entire operation to Germany
>South Italy looks is literally a 3rd world country, the difference between the regional divides is worse than east and west Germany in the 90's

>>9700890
>So basically nothing has changed in America for the last 100 years.
Try 300 years, the elections are actually more polite and kinder than ever, back in the end it was completely normal to call your opponent products of incest and bestiality.

N boy would be writing about Silicon Valley, China, and AI. The first two being examples of the aristocratic will to power (just wait till california pulls a coup de etat on Washington in the next 20 years). AI being an example of the emerging overman, which will view us humans as we view primates, or sea slugs, or bacteria.

Orwell would be writing about the stuff going on in this thread.

>>9700915
>just wait till california pulls a coup de etat on Washington in the next 20 years

with the help of mexico i bet, they will spread out agents among the undocumented proletarians to organize support backing the ruling class usurpers. sort of like germany helping lenin take power in russia, but different.

>>9700915
did u watch the new aliens movie? it was p rad how the two robots are fags who are superior to normies, it partially reminded me of ascetic priests who don't fuck n shit doing philosophical and create works, but even more so as alt-gay homosexual creatives who say death to normies...off topic but the aliens movies are still good after all these years, meanwhile i stopped watching star wars like two films ago

>>9700301
Nietzsche would have ridiculed Hitchens

>>9700928
Yeah, this is probably true, he'd have seen through Hitchens' act and pegged him for the sophist he is.

>>9700915
Nietzsche would be a radical Kaczynskite of some sort, advocating for the destruction of capitalist civilisation. He would look down on Land and Elon Musk as a pathetic bugmen

Orwell was a socialist, but only in economic terms..Culturally he was very favorable of traditional values. Look at what he wrote in his essay "The Lion and the Unicorn"

>Also, one must admit that the divisions between nation and nation are founded on real differences of outlook. Till recently it was thought proper to pretend that all human beings are very much alike, but in fact anyone able to use his eyes knows that the average of human behaviour differs enormously from country to country. Things that could happen in one country could not happen in another.

I think the modern day leftist thought of praising multiculturalism and immigration would terrify him. Modern day "nationalism", in his day, was taken for granted as "centrism". These days being "centrist" means being pro mass-immigration

>>9700538

Sanders would have won the rust belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania over Trump. This is undeniable.

>>9700942
I doubt he would have been anti-capitalist in any meaningful sense, and he definitely wouldn't have been a Kaczynskite (read what he says in Zarathustra about "firebugs"). You're dead on about the second part, though.

It's hard to imagine his specific opinions on these issues, but being as he prided himself on being "anti-political", most likely, he wouldn't be deeply concerned about technology or the prospect of human extinction. In other words, if it happens, it happens. It's highly possible that it's inevitable that human beings will supplant themselves with AI or upload their consciousness and live their lives as a 24/7 porno in VR, but après nous, le déluge. Best to tend one's garden.

Nietzsche would just be doing the same thing he liked to do, proving everyone but him is retarded
Just imagine how hard he would btfo Zizek

>>9700753


This really represents our famous selfish and American narsicist attitude, thank you for remarking it

>>9700236
Never read memestache but Orwell would be writing a Peter Hitchens style column on how England is dead forever or have killed himself by now.

Do you think either of them would have an active Youtube channel?

>>9700934
>he'd have seen through Hitchens' act and pegged him for the sophist he is.

Please explain how Hitchens is a sophist. I see nothing in his work which can be considered a false argument.

>>9700560
>weird

What people never understand is that British socialism has Methodist not Marxist roots. It was always opposed to social liberalism and internationalism. Orwell despised left wing Marxist intellectuals and he would probably deride today's Blairite consensus as another 'smelly little orthodoxy'.

People ITT should read the Lion and the Unicorn.

>>9702233
This.

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>>9702233
Orwell would be a combination of Noam Chomsky, Peter Hitchens, and Glenn Greenwald, focusing on the dealings and demise of the corporate media while also lamenting the soul-crushing rise of social media. What Orwell cared about was political dialectics, political thinking, and the ability for power to subvert them through language. He would end up filling a niche that combines elements from the 3 mentioned figures but without the partisanship, since he's too much of an Aspergers-type to refrain from punching his own side when they are stupid or malevolent.

>>9702249
newspaper columns more likely.
Nietzsche would probably lecture.

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>>9700236

What would happen if you sat down Dostoevsky in front of Google?

>>9701027

If my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle. This is undeniable.

>>9700523
hindsight: the post

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>>9700462
>it's just the rise of populism

>>9700494
>Hillary's campaign was atrocious.

Nope. Trump won in Wisconsin and Michigan, too -- just as shocking if not more so than PA.

Why? Because the good jobs have been being shipped out of the country for the past two decades, and either replaced with nada or shit-tier service jobs. So the middle class has gotten squished/destroyed by economic globalism ("the giant sucking sound" of jobs leaving the US, as Ross Perot accurately described it some 20 years ago), while the top fat cats are getting rich beyond the dreams of avarice from the same dynamic, and a thin layer of the technocratic/administrative/managerial class is doing quite well, thank you, as are federal workers and the federal contractor class (resulting in the absolutely unprecedented fact that the area around DC is now one of the wealthiest in the country -- which Trump pointed out many times).

Trump promised to turn this around (see his Detroit speech, in particular), and that's what got him those votes in the "rust belt" states. Michael Moore actually had a rather eloquent speech about this, before the election, where he spoke of the pro-Trump rumblings he was hearing in the rust belt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDRqeuLNag

The powers-that-be in the Democratic Party *still* don't get this, or they DO get it but don't give a shit, because they've got a super-comfy spot in the new millionaire class.

Just like Moore said, the voters in PA, WI and MI had their reasons and proceeded to deliver the biggest FUCK YOU to the powers-that-be in human history.

>>9702681

But those voters were uneducated, the jobs aren't coming back due to automation. You can't turn back the clock.

>>9700236
>Orwell
SJWs
>Nietzsche
Gamergate

>>9702727

>Comparing Nietzsche to Sargon of Akkad

Nietzsche would be Maddox. In fact, Nietzsche IS Maddox.

>>9702735

You're a fucking idiot

>>9702719
Why does it make sense to import uneducated mexican illegals into america, then?

>>9700574
From an outside perspective here, who is going to be convinced? Outside of women who would have gone for Trump anyways, what women are going to say "eh this Sanders guy seems too anti-women for me, imma side with Donald J. Trump instead". At best it'd create a rise in third party voting and whatnot, but it would make a tighter bid for the Rust Belt.

>>9702743

He probably sounded like him too, all nasal and faggy.

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>>9702733
Whoever says that Sargon of Akkad shouldn't be taken seriously is a pseud.
As of now there hasn't been a single refutation of all his countless detailed analyses. You can't even blame him for being pretentious.

>>9703163
>Sargon of Akkad

Anybody who supports Sanders and Trump simultaneously is not the sharpest crayon in the box.

Orwell never imagined that most socialists would come to embrace extreme multiculturalism and immigration. I think he would turn his back on the whole thing.

>>9703173
If you're opposed to corporate globalism and dislike the Democratic and Republican establishment, then both choices are reasonable.

>>9703163
Fuck off, Carl

>>9703163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc24YtUslCU

>>9703163
Give me one of his analyses and I'll refute him right now

>>9703222
>hnumalergay
Post a non-virgin (ie person) refuting based Sargon you fucking sjw

>>9702753

Because they do the jobs that normal Americans won't do. Immigrants are a net benefit to the economy.

>>9703229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0uq-QafYQ

>>9700236

Orwell would be writing about "alternative facts"

>>9700236
Orwell would probably focus on subjects Michéa focuses on : neoliberalism, the corruption of the left and its ideology of progress.
Nietzsche would be an an-cap.

>>9703282

>alternative facts

Conway was merely saying "you're wrong, we have the right numbers". But she was flustered and said "alternative facts" and the left has been jumping on it forever. It's just as stupid as the Republicans flipping out about Obama's "guns and religion" comment for 8 years.

>>9703266
>Because they do the jobs that normal Americans won't do at starvation wages.
I've corrected the record.

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>>9702681
You've got it.

Populist Explosion is a good source for more analysis of the issue.

>>9700236
Orwell would focus on the rise in the popularity of Communism among the youth in the West and certainly the politics of manipulating the masses with the left and rightwing - globalists and nationalists - all wanting to hold control of government to enforce their ideals. Nietzche would probably go after the same as well, noting how the ubermensch has become rare, and how most activist groups/political organizations on either side have gained a collective mentality and how they relate to slave/master morality. He'd also have a hayday with Islam, considering its rise in influence in the west.

>>9700428
lizards

>>9700534
Nietzsche favouring Trump is fucking laughable, Trump is like the opposite of Nietzsche's conception of the higher man.

>>9703867
>Nietzsche would rather have ubermensch Jeb

>>9700236

I feel like debates around socialism and capitalism are becoming increasingly irrelevant, with 1) the rise of automation, 2) the fact that most Western nations get a ton of their manufacturing done from de-facto slave labor in the third world and 3) the clear bullshit of fiat currency and how it's manipulated by governments.

If most of the "means of production" are actually in the middle east and asia, then what debates about "ownership of the means of production" can you really have?

>>9703867
Nietzsche's superman wasn't a nazi aryan or something - he could be fat. The superman was more about making your own moral structure and sticking to it - which is exactly what trump did.

Is Nietzches "Superman" a bit of a sociopath?
Willing to lie cheat and steal to progress his own cause, outside of contemporary moral preoccupations?

>>9700248
>Le wrong generation meme
>>9700236
Orwell's and Nietzsche's ideas are such that they can be applied across eras;they weren't written solely for the consideration of their contemporaries.IMO,if alive today, their works would remain largely the same,but details would be different due to the changing of the times.

The former (who wrote scathingly against Bourgeois left-of-centres and how they looked down upon the working class they nominally championed, the incompetence of the Left-Libertarians in forming a coherent movement, the brutishness of those calling adopting a veil called "Communism" as a poor cover for authoritarian imperialism, Capitalists who lived up to Adam Smith's vile maxim, and Nationalistic Reactionaries that marched off to the drum beat of war) would likely find much to critique (viz. the Labour and Democratic parties, Rojava,OWS,BLM,et al., /leftypol/ loons, the new breed of oligopolistic conglomerates, and the Alt-Right, respectively.) He'd probably produce works lampooning the search for meaning in a Nihilistic new world. Maybe a book would be something like:
>Be character, male, mid-twenties, Western
>Atheist since childhood, vacillated between Left- and Right- stateless positions
>Fall into depression
>Jobless, college dropout
>Join military to "do something" with his life
>Go AWOL
>Join Socialist Commune
>Become idealist
>Go from guru to guru (each, and their followers, caricatured to demonstrate their absurdities)
>Visit Peterson/Chesterton "Leap-of-faith" types
>Visit Buddhist Atheists from a Harris perspective
>Visit Crypto-Fascist with an excellent grasp on pop-culture, a strong grasp of Marxian theory, an intermediate grasp on group psychology, a runny nose, and a lack of tissues
>Visit Crypto-Communist with dubious claims to having been a top advisor for a Russia
>Realize they are all trolling, shilling, or otherwise unserious
>Be hedonism: prostitutes, gamble grandparents' savings bonds+life savings, get into fights
>An hero attempt
>Come to realization that only he can make his own meaning
>...
>As he lives out a paracosm in a small, white, padded cell

The latter would have been greatly edified by advancements in research, from biology,to psychology,to linguistics,and would probably have been interested in the various forms of escapism the modern world allows and practices,from NEETdom,to 12-hours-per-day gaming with urinals available as soon as the next bottle of Mountain Dew is finished,to shitposting on 4chan.
>>9700301
>He would be more militant about religion and there being no need for it.
I think this is based on a gross simplification of Nietzsche.Yes, he wrote scathingly of religion, but he critiqued resting on the bosom of any and all paracosms.He would likely have broadened his critique of ideology in general, not just religion, and in doing so would likely amass a cult following of Egoists, despite rejecting both the cult and the term.Also, he didn't see the Death of God as a happy incident.

>>9703927
I agree, but how does this specifically relate to this thread?
>>9704018
Just because Nietzsche's Overman rejected slave morality, didn't mean that he acted in such a way. He may, but those aren't requisite. The Overman carries his head freely, without needing to rest it on that which purports to give meaning. He creates and gives meaning. He commands himself and the environment (including the people) around him to the most noble ends, and to ends suitable for him. It's a bit more nuanced then "help your neighbor, because it's the nice thing to do", and a lot more nuanced than "lie, cheat, and steal, because it's the most helpful thing to do".

He also didn't advocate sociopathy. Nietzsche would also likely have taken note that lone sociopaths fared well against "honest" individuals, but sociopaths in groups fared badly against groups of "honest" individuals.

>>9704022
>Also, he didn't see the Death of God as a happy incident.

Yeah, but he wasn't really sad about it either. It was more of a sudden realisation of how advancing logic had destroyed the old logic which brought about the Christian/.Muslim idea of God.

>>9700428
Its really not too mysterious that Trump won. He's unironically a genius in the field of behavioral psychology. And he focused his campaign message in just the right states to get a clean electoral victory.

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>>9700771
and? do you think politics is static and doesn't evolve over time most people of the old school socialist variety would be considered right wing now

>>9700534
if nietzsche would favor trump it would be for stripping the presidency of any dignity

>>9700771
>>9700720
>>9700838
>>9700815
>>9704022
>Re. Orwell:
All correct, to various degrees. He was a contradictory fellow that stood in opposition to the Right and to Authoritarianism, while dutifully serving both at various points in his life.

>>9704178
>The average college student graduates becoming a tranny
That is not even close to true

>>9700236
Orwell: The evolution of political terror from government to culture

Nietzsche: He'd probably have put more work into that moral framework he tried to create

orwell was a socialist but also a tradiionalist

>>9703266
Why don't blacks do those jobs, though? What the hell is a "normal American"?

>>9703060
We actually do have a DNA-based reconstruction of Neetzsche's voice, though.

>>9700510
>the left have completely failed to ride the populist wave despite running their best candidates in decades with populist manifestos
The only leftist candidate the US has seen in ages was Sanders, and the policies he was proposing would considered centrist at best if it weren't for the fact that the overton window has shifted all the way into crazytown. The shit that Cheeto Benito spews isn't even populism, its pure spectacle
>conservatism has become the new counter-culture after the left's failed projects materialized.
>licking the boots of corporate goons is "counter-culture"
Top kek, that must be why you and all the right-wing ecelebs have to constantly tell yourself that. You're about as "counter-culture" as the yuppies of the 80s.
The whole reason everything is going to shit is because we're stuck choosing between two right-wing parties and most people are too stupid and misinformed to even realize it. The American "golden age" of the 50s and 60s that conservatives love to wank over was a product of center-left policies that came as concessions to the left-wing labor movement despite the establishment's best efforts to violently suppress it.
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>>9700838
Orwell was an anarchist-communist you smoothbrained morons, of course he didn't like the soviets. I bet you clowns have never even heard of Homage to Catalonia

Fucking hell, what has happened to this board in the past year?

>>9700236

N., was always saying that he should've been a physician. So, he probably would also be a psychologist, a psychiatrist, and a neuroscientist, - for that was what he always seemed to be aiming for, - to know, understand and absorb the mind of man, and of the man, and men that created "God", and "gods".

He would try to fathom the chemicals induced in the head, and how to induce feel good chemicals in other peoples heads, by way of incentive, - and catch a lie, by the slight movement of the senses contradicting what was meant.

For wasn't he bipolar; apollonian, and dionysusian, - even before the "madness" . . .

To understand the self, and why there is extremes induced, and trusted, as if the current state is logical.

--------

A fascination of mental illness, and how the twilight of the idols is becoming more, and more dissonant; as men cower, to declare themselves the word, and N. wanted to escape it, with his own words.

He probably would be interested in the bollocks of an AI, and try to imagine how it would be feasible by mapping out the brain, and every little detail, and it's computer equivalent.

So he would die after much progress in knowing, and understanding detail upon detail of the brain, and how to put people under "hypnosis", while they're 100 percent conscious, whether they're gamma, alpha, or beta. So, they would be persuaded of an artistic socrates.

And N. would die with no regrets, saying "I should've been a computer scientist."

>>9704178
Jesus christ, I thought /lit/ was supposed to be one of the smart-people boards. I can imagine /pol/ failing to be a containment board, but of all the places to leak to why here?

>>9704022
good post

>>9704991
>mfw someone on /lit/ can't read
>>9705734
this is the end point of your philosophy when applied

>>9705179
>DNA-based reconstruction
oh look it's nothing

>>9700248
Orwell is a mediocre thinker and writer at best.

>>9703927
workers in the middle east and asia should own means of production in middle east and asia

>>9705809
Have you even read Marx? Where on earth did he say "The point of my ideology is to corrupt the masses and turn them all into degenerate trannies".

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>>9702753
If you want to talk about the degree to which non-complementary labor displacement exists, and the net benefits of a complementary labor force to fill in agricultural, mining, fishing, and light manufacturing positions(whereas the domestic population is going further into the service sector) relative to public services and public monies going to them and their progeny, there are boards for this:
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>>9703173
>Anybody who supports Sanders and Trump simultaneously is not the sharpest crayon in the box.
Their campaign platforms weren't all that different. Even Chomsky called Trump a Sanders for "the older [ostensibly racist] generation". It's also a valid position for Zizekians to take.
>>9703177
Orwell saw greater solidarity between the African, Asian, and European exploited than he did with Left-of-centre Liberals. He would probably not be against immigrants per se, but see their mass importation as a boon to porky and a means of smashing the organic growth of labor unions, which FBOFW, for decades had a significant Nativist bent.
>>9703304
>Orwell would probably focus on subjects Michéa focuses on : neoliberalism, the corruption of the left and its ideology of progress.
Largely agree
>Nietzsche would be an an-cap.
If anything, Nietzsche would be somewhere closer to a modern Tuckerite/Spoonerite.
>>9705432
The first post >>9700720 you replied to argued that Orwell would be a nominal Left-winger with an interventionist bent. That is the same path Christopher Hitchens, a lifelong Luxemburgist Troskyite, took against what he saw as Fascism and worse forms of Authortiarianism than Western varieties. It is also what Orwell did by supporting what he thought was the British Government's propaganda arm- the BBC- against Fascism.

The second post >>9700726 you replied to posited a utilitarian-in-the-streets, idealist-in-the-sheets Orwell, which given his history, seems on the money.

The third post >>9700815 described, albeit poorly, Orwell as a critic of the Left, rather than a creator or leader within it. He criticized Labour Left-of-centres, what we would call "Limo Libs" who looked down upon workers, incompetent Anarchists, and Authoritarian Tankies.

The fourth post >>9700838 posited that Orwell would write for The Guardian. Since he worked for the BBC, this isn't too far of a stretch. Mind, The Guardian had a good share of Left-wing staff and guest contributors throughout its history.

Funnily, you try to impugn the people you're responding to, only to end up looking like a fool.

>>9700815
>Orwell was the worst socialist ever and straight up betrayed other socialists to the government on a dime.
You do realise he fought in the partisan army in the spanish revolution, right?
And worked for a communist propaganda group while in Paris.
Animal farm and 1984 both put Orwell pretty firmly on the liberal lefty side of the fence too.

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>>9700236
Anarchist unity

Anarchist unity

>>9703927
If anything it's becoming more relevant. The proles are either reduced to slave status or left permanently unemployed. Ruling class discourse surrounding UBI and automation is markedly ideological, an attempt to spur a transition to a society of control. UBI means get scraps, accept constant surveillance and advertising. When the economically superfluous population becomes an obstacle to further accumulation it will have to be taken out of the way somehow.

fiat currency is just another incarnation of the eternal commodity fetish. The political economy is bullshit in its entirety. 'libertarians' don't take their critique far enough, as they are still fixated on the spectre of an 'authentic' political economy

>>9700236
If Nietzsche was alive to day he would spend all his time watching animu and shit posting.

>>9701020
kys unironically

>>9706537
Mediocre thinker, excellent writer

>>9707398
I always thought he was a mediocre writer, excellent thinker. I think he had special insight into the millions of ways we make peace harder for ourselves to obtain, especially when we refuse to be self-aware and consistent.

>>9704178
>cultural marxism = shitty haircut and looking like a RENT extra

I don't even browse /pol/ and that sounds wrong.

>>9704178
the thing i hate about the internet is that i have to rub shoulders with horrible farmers like whatever idiot posted that

>>9700574
Trump doesn't strike me as a big fan of reading

>all these shitheads claiming Orwell would be writing about "fake news" or SJWs

Orwell would be writing about how great Corbyn is. The guy was just a garden variety left social democrat, he only seems like an iconoclast if you believe the myth that the entire Left supported Stalinism. He'd probably be disgusted to be turned into an icon by a bunch of neocons and contrarians.

>>9700574
Trump won the fucking election a few weeks after the "grab em by the pussy" tape dropped, I don't think people would care

>>9700560
Why is it weird and anti-Europe to be opposed to the neoliberal EU? Most of the European far left, from any country, hates them, especially after Greece

u know shit bout Nietzsche. He would spit on trump, coz he aint an ubermensch, he is slaved by his own desire of fame

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>>9700534
Trump is the perfect avatar for the ressentiment of the middle class. He's basically another Nixon, a politician who came to power based on hatred (envy) of liberal elites, and so Nietzsche would hate him

Nietzsche would be writin about the same thing he was writing back then. Nothing changes in mankind nature for this 130 years. It didnt change since Aristole, thats piece of shit spieces we ppl are.

>>9700927
Autism

>>9708037
I think the argument is supposed to construct this image of the RENT cast, but more privileged and whinier.

>>9700236
Orwell would be writing tweets and Nietzsche would spend his days on /r9k/

Niether would be remembered

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Nietzsche would write about God's resurrection.
God's existence is dependent on our faith in Him and so is the actualization of his purpose for us.

We are God as much as God is us. Humanity disintegrates without him, and so does he without humanity.

His purpose for us is to survive and evolve until we become one with God again by evolutionary transcending time, space and our physicality.

Then, God has become even greater than before.
Hence the greatest conceivable being being imperfect and prone to change, infinitely seceding itself.

Nietzsche wouldn't write today. He would be pacified by a cocktail of mood stabilisers and antipsychotics.

>>9709640
>thinking Orwell would support authoritarian Venezuela, the corporate European Union, and anybody who thinks highly of either institution
Brainlette.

>>9707396
Care to explain?

>>9707398
Mediocre thinker, worse writer

>>9700807
>Acting as if modern British journalists and commentators don't talk about Trump

>>9710869
Corbyn opposed the EU in the 90s and is probably glad the UK is out of it now that he's going to be PM. Even during Brexit he could barely make the case for staying. I never said Orwell would be pro-EU.

He was a member of the ILP and very sympathetic to POUM, so the Venezuela thing is bullshit. You haven't read his essays.

>>9711261
I don't know what you're trying to say because you're meandering around the point and fighting back against claims that I never made. For example, I agree that you never said that Orwell would support the EU, and I never claimed that you did. Now that we both agree that he probably wouldn't, wouldn't it be silly to say that Orwell would support a person in favor of the EU? Using deductive logic isn't putting words in your mouth, and I don't understand why people think it is and get offended.

Let's get down to the brass tacks. Corbyn defended the EU and applauded Venezuela. I doubt that Orwell would be more than lukewarm towards him at best, maybe positive during Corbyn's earlier years in politics if he could get around the terrorism sympathizing. Most likely Orwell would be derisive towards Corbyn for vacillating between authoritarianism and corporatism to the detriment of his socialist values because Orwell loved to punch his own when they acted out.

>>9711261
Also I've been reading his essays and books from Homage to Catalonia to Politics in the English Language to Shooting An Elephant since when you were in diapers. Please don't give me that bullshit and just be clear with me, just as I have been with you. I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you, I'm stating what I earnestly believe, with citations if you ask for it.

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>>9711261
>Corbyn
>now that he's going to be PM.

Imagine the rioting if he, a man who was decisively outvoted and is derided by much of the population, became prime minister by technicality.

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>>9700236

Orwell: Not sure.

Nietzsche: Since I am extremely familiar with Nietzsche, I think he would focus on two things:

1) The focus of his polemics/etc would shift from Christianity to modern/Western liberal democracy, which is really just Christianity without the god (George Elliot's dream come true) - and thus the logical consequence of God having died. Indeed. liberal democracy is the next step in the EVOLUTION of Christianity - just as Christianity was Judaism evolved. Indeed, even at the time of his writing, he had already caught on to the cult of 'progress'/etc.

2) I think he'd probably be quite enthusiastic about the rise/success of Islam in the West, although being in much closer proximity to it than at the time of his writing, I think its exotic/oriental charm would probably wear off. Still, in our evermore nihilistic/consumeristic modern world, he'd probably still see it as something to admire.

>>9702681
>Nope
>She simply let her opponent implement a better swing-state strategy
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>Thinking gooberg8 began with Sargon
>>9711662
>the logical consequence of God having died
>Christianity without the god
I think you hit the nail right on the head, but would likely broaden his critique to most ideologies.
>quite enthusiastic about the rise/success of Islam
>in our evermore nihilistic/consumeristic modern world, he'd probably still see it as something to admire.
How so, if he didn't even see zealous Christians of his day as admirable in such a way?

>>9711988

>How so, if he didn't even see zealous Christians of his day as admirable in such a way?

Because Christianity is inherently nihilistic, whereas he judged Islam to be life-affirming/yea-saying.

I know that Orwell was a socialist, but he was mainly concerned with the British working class and how they lived. How would he feel about modern socilaism's embrace of intersectionality, basically recruiting and embracing immigrants, minorities, gays, etc so you have more political power? He clearly thought the conditions for the British working class were shameful and that capitalism was an oppressive system, but would he really feel the same if it meant embracing immigration and multiculturalism? When reading him I get the sense he was fond of British culture, just not fond of the economic system

>>9711662
>That Nietzsche photo

NIETZSCHE 2018
Featuring Tom Hardy

>>9706629
Really that was the best you could come up with when i was away for a few day pretty pathetic

>>9700560
>weird
the EU is a neoliberal project, most principled leftists (particularly older ones who remember a time pre-eu and didn't get duped by the "leave is wayciss" shit) voted to leave. It was called "lexit" for left-brexit

>>9700815
>he was the worst socialist ever and straight up betrayed other socialists
ah yes... stalinist """intellectuals"""

>>9700915
>Silicon Valley, China, and AI
this. I actually think Neitzche would have some common ground with Nick Land