>Stop being nihilistic.

How?

>>9656603

>he's a nihilist!

uhh... not really, its actually kind of the opposite, I view myself as honor-bound and life as transien--

>nihilist! scum! life is the end all be all! I know because i've already died and seen what's on the other side

now you're just being ridiculo--

>stop being nihilistic

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>>9656610
Read Ecclesiastes.

>>9656620
I've read that one, not a very good book.

>>9656620
That only reinforced my nihilism.

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>>9656627
>>9656630
>Read it again.

>>9656633
Read Ecclesiastes and you'll regret it. Don't read Ecclesiastes and you'll regret it. Read Ecclesiastes or don't read Ecclesiastes, you'll regret it either way.

>>9656633
I can't right now, I have to go on a date with my loving wife of 7 years. Catch ya later Kierky

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>>9656649
Have fun.

>>9656620
"“Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."
damn this really helps

>>9656689
It helps to read past the second verse.

>>9656648
lmaoing @ lyfe

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>>9656620

Ecclesiastes is the capstone of the pagan worldview, forcing all who read to realize the futility of life without faith.

>>9658183
Life is equally as futile with faith except you're deluding yourself.

>>9658202

Perhaps. But at least you're living.

>>9658205
And living is somehow impossible if you're faithless?

I must say, there are an awful lot of very convincing corpses pretending to be real boys these days, then.

>>9658215

I mean that under the pagan worldview - "There's nothing new under the Sun", "All is vanity" - the soundest wisdom is that of Epicurus: "Live anonymously".

Those who live on faith are undaunted by life's assaults, because they force themselves to believe that all things work together for good.

He wasn't concerned with engaging nihilism, as Dostoevsky was. He was more concerned with challenging self-professed Christians to live authentically.

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>>9656620
>>9656633
>>9656689
>>9658183

>But the ASIATIC manners(Polygamy) are as destructive to friendship as to love. Jealousy excludes men from all intimacies and familiarities with each other. No one dares bring his friend to his house or table, lest he bring a lover to his numerous wives. Hence all over the east, each family is as much separate from another, as if they were so many distinct kingdoms. No wonder then, that SOLOMON, living like an eastern prince, with his seven hundred wives, and three hundred concubines, without one friend, could write so pathetically concerning the vanity of the world.*90 Had he tried the secret of one wife or mistress, a few friends, and a great many companions, he might have found life somewhat more agreeable. Destroy love and friendship; what remains in the world worth accepting?

>>9658253

I don't think Ecclesiastes was actually written by Solomon, my man...

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>>9658255

>>9658260

That isn't really an edgy opinion...

>>9658262
Rejecting millennia of the patristic teaching in favor of modern and secular scholars is pretty dam edgy

>>9658228
You've lost me. Paganism is wide and varied and does not fall under some sort of umbrella "pagan worldview", except that it is all rooted deeply in faith. Just not Christian faith.

It is the nihilists who reject faith altogether.

Nihilism and paganism cannot be conflated.

>>9658293

What I mean by "pagan worldview" is the belief that every life is a battle of gigantic, inhuman forces, which only comes to a subjective end when a man dies (except in those religions which espouse reincarnation; in them, the battle goes on). In this view, there's no room for faith: only stoicism or nihilism.

Judaism was the first religion to imagine that the world could be redeemed. Christianity was the first to put redemption into people's everyday lives.

>>9656610
teleologically suspend the ethical

That's not really what he said

>>9656603
It's impossible. Once you find the rational truth, you won't be able to close your eyes from it

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>>9656603
>I would prefer not to.

>>9659529
>What I mean by "pagan worldview" is the belief that every life is a battle of gigantic, inhuman forces, which only comes to a subjective end when a man dies (except in those religions which espouse reincarnation; in them, the battle goes on). In this view, there's no room for faith: only stoicism or nihilism.

What. No, you have it wrong. There is the beauty and wonder of life and the beauty and wonder of death, which are both gifts of equal value. There is no battle. There is survival, yes, but in survival there is elegance and grace and fury and passion and depravation, hunger and thirst and exhaustion and desperation, which are all marvels. Redemption can be found without difficulty, or with great struggle, but struggle is also beautiful and reverent.

There is no room for stoicism or nihilism for the acknowledging the tremendous vista of the world around you, and the stars beyond it, leave no room for such stuckness.

>>9660027

That's very nice, but I feel that if it were true, the pagans wouldn't have lived in a state of incessant anxiety (see The Illiad for the most perfect example of this), and their philosophy wouldn't have consisted in preparing oneself for pain, suffering, and death (see Platonism, but also Stoicism, Epicureanism, and Indian theosophy).

>>9660216
Pain, suffering, and death are inevitabilities. Anxiety is a useful survival mechanism. Death is the final gift. Through death, life prospers. There cannot be one without the other.

I cannot think of a greater cruelty than eternal life.

>>9660341
Sour grapes really. If life were eternal we would live in four dimensions instead of two as we do, since without a real comprehensible understanding of time we are limited to linear time, our abstractions of the third dimension are bound up in our two dimensional understanding of past--->present--->future. I know this sounds ridiculous but it explains why we thought the world is flat because in all ways we look at the world in images which are two dimensional.

>>9660341

>I cannot think of a greater cruelty than eternal life.

Then you cannot think of life.

Perhaps one day, you will feel the vanity and hollowness of the things of the world. If so, I pray that you will not resist the flood of the Holy Spirit, which is a pure joy and eternal energy, established from everlasting to everlasting.

Then again, perhaps the things of this world will continue to suffice for you, and you will go down to Gehenna with a smile in your heart. If so, I will not begrudge you on that day.

>>9658253
Holy shit Epicurus fuck off.

>>9658293
>Just not Christian faith.
Largely they are, the roots I mean, if they were formed in Europe or North America. Do not trust their claims. They do not sacrifice to their gods.