Convince me that English is NOT the best language in the world.

>>9612676
Define 'best'.

i don't know what you mean with ''best'', but is the better known and that's why i'm trying to read and write things in english

Don't bump shit threads.

>>9612676
english owes its hegemony due to being the most common, the most flexible, and having the largest vocabulary yet no intonations nor cases nor gendered terms such that any pleb can speak it yet the inconsistent rules full of exceptions render it difficult to master. its fate is to destroy all other languages due to it being the path of least resistance leading to mutual intelligibility, after which it will collapse upon itself. english is the universal receptacle. it is the great whore of babylon's prolapsed anus.

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Here you go.

>>9612841
Where can I buy your book?

>>9612848
Too much "o"s

>>9612848
Lmao spanish sounds so dumb

>>9612848
Italian is meant to be sung aloud whereas English is meant to be pondered in silence.

>>9612878
it's cheaper to steal tissue from a public toilet

japanise because of anime bruh =]

>>9612915
n-nani?!

>>9612676
No language is better than other. Claims like these are a serious case of WE-WUZism

>>9612676
Because how will we ever have a unified human race without unifying the language? And how will we do that without moving from the highly flawed languages that already exist?

>>9612841
Are you sure that English has the largest vocabulary? Source please.

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>>9612942
Your not convincing anyone.

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>>9613052

I love english, its easy as fuck (not my native language) but come on, there are more than one billion chinks. Thats a lot of chinks. They also have money and influence. How do we stop the chinese from eventually steamrolling the language landscape?

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>>9612991
It's just a coincidence is also the language of israel's biggest dogs

Poems sound like shit.

>>9612899
Italian is meant for poetry, exactly.

>>9613107
very much this

>>9612676
Ihmeiset kummastuttavia, outoja asioita pohtii; kuten vaikkapa miksi ihmeessä?

>>9612809
You have already failed then.

>>9613153
I don't what it means but it's wonderful.

Didn't get enough Norse influence.

>>9613153

Finnish sucks. Estonian is much better.

>>9613023
It got (almost) the full vocabulary of three separate languages.
French/latin
Norse + mostly Norse syntax
And original old English.
Then you can add another tens of thousands of new words from random places.
And greek science words.

TL:DR English got three times the vocabulary compared to most languages.

>>9612965
Fuck off post modernist

>Il existe des gens À CE MOMENT MÊME qui ne parlent pas français

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Turkish language master race reporting in.

One must read Nazim Hikmet in turkish to know what i am talking about.

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>>9612848
Except it sounds like a faggot is talking.

>>9613232

Forgot and aditional link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWWb0_3oNJ8

Remove Slav out of Romanian.
And you got the best Latin language, excluding original from 1AD.
All others sounds so fucking feminine or flamboyant. STOPPI YOU'REO NOTTE NORWEGIANSEIO

Latin and its dialects exist

>>9613257
>original from 1AD.
What did he mean by this

>>9612848
Is that Finny's Wake?

>>9613206
t. Sofi Oksanen

>>9613272
That those before were plebeians, even if they claimed to be patricians.

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>>9613068
Just listen to a conversation in Chinese and wait for your ears to bleed. Chinese will never seriously infringe on the west because it is arguably the ugliest of all languages.

>>9613278
>Catullus
>Horace
>Ovid
>Virgil
>Cicero

Even farther back
>Terence
>Plautus

>>9613217
French sounds like ass. Reading it is more than enough

Literally how can English be a good language if it doesn't have any unique properties whatsoever? Embarrassing lack of conjunctions and particles, ridiculously rigid vocabulary despite its limitations in everyday topics, essentially no sense of transitiveness and intransitiveness, disgustingly stiff in rephrasability.

I know I can't stop the EOPs' whining even if I go meta, but I'd like at least one guy that genuinely thinks English is a better language for literature than [insert any language here] to explain his reasoning. And no, being easy to learn and spoken by many people are not the signs of a language fit for literature.

inb4
>ESL spotted
yeah no shit

>>9613215
prove that one is better than another m8

>>9613298
My post was missing this part
>-is what he probably meant.

>>9613211
Replace all mentions of "English" with "German" and you'd have another true statement.

>>9612965
The ability to conjure meaning is not equal among all languages. Many languages are well versed in a specific topic or aspect of their lives. Inuits have multiple words for ice and colors of it. Arabs have seven words for rape and Aboriginal languages may only include amounts of one, two and many.

>>9613233
You English speakers think the "o" at the end of a world sounds retarded, but that's only because you can't pronounce it properly. It's almost a silent "o", spoken with a whisper

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"Hablo latín con Dios, italiano con los músicos, castellano con las damas, francés en la corte, alemán con los lacayos e inglés con mis caballos."

>>9612676
French is a better sounding language.

>>9613409
Spanish and italian have the same positive qualities plus they don't sound like choking on a million cocks when you speak them.

>>9613413
True. They're different though. I feel like Spanish is more "lascivious", while Italian is more rigid, probably due to its bigger resemblance to Latin

>>9613413

Italian is absolute garbage of a language and only Italians think it's great.

>>9613453
t. French butthurt

lmao!

>>9613467
German --> rigorous
Chinese --> industrial
Russian --> classy
English --> retarded
French --> gay

I'd say they match the states

Dotykam cię niewysłowienie
palcami ciepłej wyobraźni
lecz w oku twoim ni na mgnienie
nie zalśni nawet błysk przyjaźni

zagarniam cię w ramiona wzroku
węchu dotyku słuchu — biorę
naręcza twych spłoszonych kroków
lecz ty się zawsze wymkniesz w porę

by wrócić w snach tak zwulgarniała
zaborcza sucza wyuzdana
jak zorza spermą rosy zlana
w przepychu samiczego ciała

i tak się w tobie mojej zmaga
z wiotką różową i niewinną
kurwa wspaniała i świątynna
odziana w grzech spowiedzią naga

bluźniercza wierna zabobonna
od szeptu przechodząca w rechot
łzom siostra chybka druchna śmiechom
moja madonna
________________________________
Za ten strach co mam w sobie, za winy i długi
Znowu biegniemy rozliczać się z drugim.
Po co mi patrzeć w lustro i twarz swą spowiadać,
Jeszcze mogę wiatr chwycić i znowu ujadać.
Lepiej jest przecie gonić niźli być gonionym.
Popatrzcie, jak już merdam odważnie ogonem.
Deszcz krew obmyje. Burza się przewali.
Byśmy tylko wytrwali, gnali i szczekali…

______________________________________
Aby napisać wiersz współczesny
wystarczy z dowolnego kawałka zadrukowanego papieru
(np. gazety, afisza, zmieniającego się w zależności od koniunktury
podręcznika, obwieszczenia, klepsydry,
donosu, ostrzeżenia, zarządzenia porządkowego nr 3, katechizmu,
legitymacji pewnego pana w cywilu itp.)
przepisać,
kierując się prawidłowością przypadku
(nawet, jeżeli to będzie puste miejsce
w przedwojennej gazecie)
dowolny fragment,
byle na maszynie i na papierze formatu A-4 (ostatecznie należy
przestrzegać jakichś reguł)
i podpisać własnym nazwiskiem

otrzymany w ten sposób tekst wiersza współczesnego
można następnie wysłać do obowiązującego w danym czasie miesięcznika,
jako dokument obowiązującej w danym nam łaskawie czasie przeszłości,
nasz tekst stanie się bowiem wtedy aktualny,
łącząc w sobie najważniejsze cechy wiersza współczesnego:
jednostkowe z ogólnym,
dialektykę z sofistyką,
walkę pokoleń z walką o wygrzane stołki,
przeszłość z teraźniejszością,
zafałszowanie z prawdopodobieństwem,
walkę płci z ideą wielodzietnej rodziny,
walkę idei z kurewstwem,
prawdę z niemożliwością,
zmarnowane życie z trudnościami obiektywnymi,
moralność z polityką,
poezję lingwistyczną z gazetą,
ciemność z jasnością,
rękopis z legitymacją,
kontestację z potakiwaniem,
dobro ze złem,
marihuanę z wódką itp. z itd.

można też go nigdzie nie wysyłać
i tak, poza pewną publiczną tajemnicą,
jak zostać ambasadorem żyjąc w Państwie Środka,
prawie wszystko jest wiadome

Hungarian exists.

>>9613483
>implying you wouldn't choose the far right chair over any other.
You're probably going to have a lot of back problems later on.

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>>9613518
>implying I would choose one of those
I choose the Italian chair, my dude.

>>9613547
>non cushioned armrests
trash

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>>9613547
>he wouldn't choose the comfy brazillian chair

>>9613206
bravo estonia

>>9613556
the world famous "tamborete" or, for those who are already intimate with its love, the "banquinho"

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>>9613547
>>9613556
>not the superior polish chair

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>>9613556
>not posting the real brazillian chair

>>9613556
Brazilian here, I would rather stand than sit on that thing.

Persian is great. Enormous lexicon, huge number of rhymes, and very little to no inflection. At least for poetry, is say it's the best

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>>9613575
>not the Dutch chair

>>9613584
lol no

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>>9613153
>ihmeessä

>>9613341
>even if I go meta

I think you're looking for another word or you skipped a few sentences

>>9613648
Me saying I'm going meta is me going meta.

>>9613341
10/10 desu.

>>9613341
>>9613653
>>9613657
>samefaggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFr0zH7jO7U

Brazilian portuguese is the most sounding language I've ever heard.

I'm a ninny loser and I suck dick

>>9613670
>>9613698
samefag

>>9613683
Brazillian here. Arab sounds a bit better sometimes.

>>9613683
Another brazilian here. Sometimes I hate this language. As poorly as I speak it, I am grateful for being able to speak it however.

>>9613670
>calling out samefag on a post where i literally said me
Don't just leak your power level like that, man

Third one isn't me

>>9613783
The third one is actually the only reason I called you out. The timing between >>9613653 and >>9613657 just screams samefaggotry, like you were trying to make it look like someone else was lauding you.

>>9613341

>even if I go meta

LOL, fuck you asshole.

>>9613820
I am the author of the third post and I can assure you I'm not him. I had just opened the thread and I saw the last two posts, so I read >>9613341 and replied with my appreciation.

>>9613965
Yeah well I am the author of this post.

>>9613979
What's your fucking problem?

>>9612676
>English
>Language
Pick one.

>>9612792
>Someone left their umbrella at the party.

>Those deer are cute.
>That deer is a pile of gore.

>I see that you, our bravest scout, is engaged in reconnaissance!
>I see that you, our bravest soldiers, are engaged in battle!

Fuck implications.

>>9613989
That one you just replied to wasn't me. I'm done here. Bye.

>>9612676
As a spanish speaker, I can say that english is so limited to words and expresions.

>>9613023
No, he definitely isn't sure. Greek has a far larger vocabulary. Chinese too, I think.

Anyway a large vocabulary does not determine in any way whether a language is good for literature or not. Petrarch even intentionally reduced the vocabulary he would use for writing his masterpiece, because he thought the good and poetic words are to be selected.

English may have a huge vocabulary, but even the native speakers need to look up words in the dictionary when they're reading a postmodern tome. This is not very normal, to be honest, and gives you an idea of how pretentious are both the postmodern writers and those who claim English has the biggest vocabulary.

A vocabulary is not meant to be an accumulative list, but an instrument based on usage. For what reason do you think dictionaries, despite being reissued every year, are always of the same size? Because some words are added and some are removed, due to their very limited use. I don't know how it is in the English language, but apparently, reading this thread, they have no idea how linguistics works. Well, let's leave them in their ignorance I guess.

>>9613467
German -> Structured
Chinese -> Efficient
Russian -> Expansive
English -> Excessive
French -> Comfy

>>9614306
>English -> Excessive
Lol it's not excessive at all

>>9613556
I'm literall sitting on on of those right now. Should I kill myself or accept the hue in me?

>>9614460
Killing yourself is always the right solution

there is no best language, that shit's a spook.

>>9612676
Western civilization is in its Empire stage so it's natural that english is dominant among elites and authors but once the west reaches its decay stage another language will displace it i.e. Mandarin which I don't favor at all

>>9612676
Bsialdooxks jzisoos jxisoks

I should write a book in gibberish

It'll be so confusing people might like it and praise it as some form of art or call it trash...I don't know

>>9613349
The point is german (same with swedish) doesn't have the same amount and just a much less borrowed words.
English has almost the complete base vocabularies of french and norse. Just that is 2 languages already.
Most languages hover around 300000 words, English got over 1 million.

>>9613272
>>9613278
That Latin by 200AD started getting worse, like C becoming "see" instead of beautiful K sound.
But before that in 200BC it was too archaic.

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>>9612676
How can it be the best, if it is not Portuguese?
The improved and better sounding version of Spanish, with a touch of French.

If you study its grammar, you will see it is complicated but makes sense and works perfectly.

>>9613217
>Il existe
You don't speak it either, dumb burgermonger.

>>9613359
You're talking about linguistic relativity (or the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis), which is heavily critised by contemporary linguists. Whorf's claims were denounced as BS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

>>9613359
>arabs have seven words for rape
not surprised

>>9614999
Portuguese isn't even a language. It's the down's syndrome dialect of spanish.

>>9614957
"C" never sounded "see" in actual Latin, that's a misconception that stupid Anglos invented.
It did start sounding "ch" like in "cheetah" sometimes. It always sounded like "k" in its initial stages though, as you said.

>>9613359

>Aboriginal languages may only include amounts of one, two and many.

There are birds that can count higher than that lmao

>>9614999
Italian is the better spanish because it sounds a lot more primitive and holy-er, despite being near identical; although spanish is more ((((enriched))))) by it's neighbors. We have catalan, euzkera and portuguese, because iberics in general don't like each other.

>>9612841
German has a much much bigger vocabulary than english

>>9612676
I personally think that german is "best" at giving you the tools for talking about new concepts, due to its nature of words being made of other words.

>>9615148
Only because German can invent words faster than English can steal them

>>9615033
Well, I criticize contemporary linguists, then.
>Käveleskelevinämme puiston ohi huomasimme tuupertuneen miehen.
Now you translate that to English. Words have too deep implications, and they are structured by professionals. Even a month as a cab driver affects your brain.

>>9612676
It's not even the best Romance language .

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>>9613547
>>9613556
>>9613575
>>9613580
>>9613586
>not choosing the swedish chair
wow racist much?

>>9613405

Elimina esto

>>9614055

>A language is limited to words

What did Pedro mean by this?

>>9615304
That reductionism is eating your soul.

>>9613405
The greatest underrated post of all time

>>9615076
There are manuscripts from late period of some old author complain about how the youth was starting say it like modern latin languages. And how terrible this was. On phone right now so can't look it up.

>>9614946
I've already given you the answer, even if you keep ignoring it.

>>9615336
It's not underrated, I appreciated it a lot but didn't care to reply, sorry

>>9615124
>Italian near identical to Spanish
Maybe for the form and etymology of most words. But for the sound, rhythm and cadence they're light years away from each other. Actually, if you hear an Italian speaking quickly and you think it's similar to Spanish, you're obviously listening to a regional dialect. In fact, Spanish is more or less an Italian dialect, just way more widespread. Real Italian (the Tuscan) is the natural continuation of Latin, and sounds exactly like it but without the tough consonants at the end of the words.

English is a language of merchants, it is soulless.
If english was an object, it would be a bag of coins

>>9612915
B-bakara!

>>9615045
It was a joke.

Nabokov knew Russian, French and English at native levels.
He decided to write in English (his best books in his most prolific era).
French is enough like the other romantic languages to disqualify them too.

>>9615937
Leopardi knew Italian, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Sanskrit, French, Spanish, German and English at native levels.
But he decided to write in Italian, hehe!

>>9616077
How difficult it is to learn so much languages if i'm 22 years old and have not job, money and future? Can i learn 6 or 8 languages more from 30 years or so?

>>9616088
I guess you can, but it's pretty useless nowadays, because the amount of things to learn is far bigger than in the 19th century