Is /lit/ genuinely anti DFW now?

>>9596213
I think lit is actually too stupid for DFW now. Notice how out of all the legitimate criticisms you can make of DFW, lit will 9/10 times resort to complaining about his pretentiousness, or how he is being insincere by adding superfluous references that don't relate to his life in any genuine way. And note how they use insincere in order to protest his advocation for sincerity, not realizing that their use of insincere isn't the opposite of his sincerity, which is just to put it briefly the understanding that nowadays even if there aren't privileged definitions of value or truth it doesn't preclude and shouldn't be used as a bridge to not cultivate virtues corresponding to honesty, truthfulness, etc. His whole deal is that irony was co-opted by mass entertainment and was adopted by the culture to disavow real issues and real problems when it was originally used to rebel against dogmatism and propaganda.

imagine hanging out with this guy >>9596252 in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

>>9596261
Im just describing his position and lits poor argument in response, but that's mean

>>9596261
whoah like totally bro because we should judge peoples opinions based off whether theyd be down to get litty and crack open some cold ones with the boys

>>9596261
yes, because i enjoy discussing literature

>>9596281
listen here jack I didn't say anything about his ideas or opinion. I just said he seems lame. Not like you with your cutting edge facebook memeolgy and your dollar story sarcasm you sound like someone whose life is governed by ironic self awareness and societal cliche. You're like the caged bird who sings about how he has come to love his cage. And if you ask me there is something terribly sad and banal about that.

>>9596261
more fun than hanging out with someone who's insecure and just throws out the cheapest insults they can muster

Ya know? Personally I stay away from these threads because though I've been a reader my entire life, I've read little DFW-- only the essays in Consider..
But there he seems like an amiable, competent writer. I suppose I should bight the bullet and read his fiction.

i've never read anything by dfw but it's been quite a journey seeing lit going (even more) ape shit because of this guy today

>>9596302
dude are you like a psych major or something?

>>9596302
>discuss literature and get shit on
>shit post and get shit on
Fuck you and your irony, say something real at least. This is exactly what he's talking about for shits sake, you have no real criticism other than regurgitating phrases from the system you live in (Facebook, memeology, ironic self awareness, double dfw quote (one which is invented by lit))

>>9596261
More fun than you bud

>>9596213
I sure hope not. He's my favorite author!

>>9596287
>>9596306
You guys probably would be glad for any company at all though.

>>9596330
you forgot to call them virgins

>>9596326
why do you hate irony so much bro?

I think /lit/ has outgrown DFW. That, or it may just be that most of our newer posters were too young to read Infinite Jest when it first came out, and so it wasn't a formative experience in their lives.

Infinite Jest really seems to be the Harry Potter of a lot of /lit/izens. I haven't read it, but I get the sense that it had a profound impact on a lot of the people here that did.

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>>9596213
hey it's mr POOP man
POOPY POOPY POOP

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>>9596252

Notice how DFW never tries to broach any of these real issues and real problems.

It's always some lame "people need to THINK more about the WORLD AROUND THEM and BE MORE SINCERE and maybe we'd GET SOMEWHERE" Tony Robbins bullshit that can't actually be discussed.

>>9596338
I just dislike people who choose to use sarcasm in place of thinking, its made the entire world shit as far as I'm concerned. Just like how any major issue today is a race to make the most sardonic comment just to get people to think you're funny and likable. Trying to get people to like you by acting a certain way is fraudulent (sound familiar?), that's why it's hilarious that that guys (maybe you?) first response was about how hanging out with me must be terrible because im lame and should feel bad about it

>>9596326
I'm not him but the problem I have with Wallace and his fanboys is this regressive wish that we can go back to the good old days when people were sincere. it kind of says more about them and their own own discomfort with themselves, something Wallace struggled with that eventually ended up driving him to suicide.
>>9596252
I don't think Wallace understands irony or modern times. He seemed overwhelmed by a lot of things and I think he built a strawman which he called irony to attribute all his dissatisfaction with the world. white collar ennui, inability to tackle real issues whatever.
>His whole deal is that irony was co-opted by mass entertainment and was adopted by the culture to disavow real issues and real problems when it was originally used to rebel against dogmatism and propaganda.
it's not so simple or black and white. Irony does create problems for people when there is too much or too little of it but it is still used in protest. it's also used in advertising and all the things he complains about but that's just how things go.

>>9596353
Except it seems like you've never read him at all and have only watched the water speech, a speech intended for a wide and varied audience who may or may not want to get into rigorous philosophical debates while cooking in the sun after watching two hundred people walk across a stage

>>9596389
why don't you bring up examples of how he's wrong and quote some DFW going into depth about these problems if you've read him so much

why not prove him wrong instead of just assuming he hasn't read DFW because he doesn't like him as much as you?

>>9596213
He's a funny meme but he's just not that good

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>>9596389

It's true, I haven't read everything he's written.

You win this round, dude. Great discussion.

>>9596326
honestly you're kind of proving his point. We're on a shitposting forum and you expect not to deal with banter or hear a joke every once and a while?

this inability to have a sense of humor is kind of typical among the white college aged fanboys of DFW
>>9596213
ectricliterature.com/men-recommend-david-foster-wallace-to-me-7889a9dc6f03

>>9596432

I don't think anyone's gonna chomp on this bait, /pol/.

No, I regard him very highly and am stead-fast in my support of him both in person and on imageboards

This board is for the redpill now.

We are for white nationalism. NOT POSTMODERNISM. Pynchon and DFW out - Hitler in

>>9596213
We've always been bud this is a catholic board

>>9596308
His short fiction is completely different from the way he writes in IJ
both are brilliant though, in a sentimental way

>>9596459
Hitler and DFW both killed themselves. As such, both are failures.

>>9596507
>hitler is bad

spotted the numale cuck

let's settle this once and for all

https://strawpoll.com/yae8bs8

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>>9596600

I wasn't gonna vote, but...

>>9596213
DFW is a great writer but infinite jest isn't his best work.

>>9596213
I can't speak for everybody, but I'm sick of reading people who hate themselves.

>>9596665
I agree, what do you like best? I think pale king would've been his best but oblivion actually is with a few from brief interviews. IJ is still a great book but is too bloated even for the excessive novel genre it comes from, it makes me wonder if people that imaginative are actually better when given constraints. I'm still thankful for the experience of reading it though even if as I learn more literature I understand its flaws, naivete, and arrogance because it really showed me what the form is capable of.

>>9596213
I like him as a person, and as a writer I think he's alright, better than most contemporary garbage, but not a literary giant by any stretch.

>>9596726
I have a pretty similar opinion actually. I believe that The Pale King has his best writing by far, but I can't really call it his best work since it's nowhere near complete. In terms of completed work I think various essays from Consider The Lobster and some of the short stories in Oblivion are his best

>>9596261
OP, I'm guessing This post didn't really turn out how you thought it would.

>>9596857
Nope

>>9596213
My ironic love for DFW is genuine.

>>9596213
WE WATER NOW

>>9596261
Yes, because apparently he was very down to earth and a good listener.
>>9596306
Sick burn

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>>9596345
mr poop?
hello, this is for mr POOOP

>>9596252
Would hang out with

>>9596261
Would not hang out with

>>9596261
imagine hanging out with this guy >>9596261 in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

>>9597814
yeah he seems funny.

>>9596261
lmao nice

>>9596270
I would hang out with you in a heartbeat, anon. In fact your post made me hungry for your cum! Girth and length?

>>9596261
I'd hang out with him just spite your faggot ass and discuss literature with him.

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>>9596330
>this desperate attempt at damage control

http://exiledonline.com/david-foster-wallace-portrait-of-an-infinitely-limited-mind/

>>9597936
yeah two pseuds sucking each others dicks and crying about how mean people on the internet are, that'll show him

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>genuinely

>>9597954
Admit it, champ. You tried to make a shitty diss and got BTFO. Just stop posting.

>>9596213
/lit/ is not genuinely anything tbqh lad

>>9597954
Why are you such a raging homophobic cunt?

Just take the L.

>>9597947
>Plus a few voyeuristic scenes of depraved poor people in a rehab centre. Bum fights, in other words. Cleverish ones. Hobo torture porn for postgraduate smirkers.

This hits the nail on the head for those cringey chapters

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Now that /lit/ doesn't like DFW anymore I will go and actually read some of his stuff and enjoy it

>>9598380
...and thus the cycle continues

>>9596261

How is this /lit/ related?

no, Infinite Jest is a very enjoyable book.

>>9596261
More fun than you. You just come across as insecure and a mega cunt to boot. Would probably kick your fat ass.

>>9597823
Nice try >>9596261

>>9599572
you would try you little bitch. if you live on the east coast US pick a time and a place I will drive up to 5 hours to fight.

>>9596213
"""We""" are not "anti" or "pro" very many things at all

>>9599629
Which state are you in, cunt?

>>9599677
I'm in maine you punk bitch

I will personally fight every single person who is willing and able that replied to my post. I will drive up to five hours from my homestate of maine or you can buy me a roundtrip plane ticket. reply to me so we can start organizing your beatdown

if you're a woman I will fight a champion of your choice father brother son boyfriend whatever if you're a gay you can also pick a champion.

>>9599704
Maine? You ever seen a nigga before?

Meet me in this Wednesday at 10PM 44.4622989,-73.1146122

>>9599764
it's on you stringbean motherfucker. I hope you like liquid meals and morphine. You better tell the ambulance to be waiting around the corner and to bring a shovel to scrape your bony ass off the pavement.

>>9599750
>maine
haha you stephen king faggot
come down to fort lauderdale, florida, and I will smoke some flakka and then kick your maple tree ass

>>9599810
https://www.cheapoair.com/fpnext/air/Listing/s/1/su/2eadb76f-9102-4876-b641-e0b3bb47fc49

make it roundtrip.

after the thirty seconds it takes for me to kick your ass I might get to make a vacation out of this shit.

>>9599806
I'll be waiting.

>>9599848
yeah you better be punk. get your fucking affairs settled.

>>9598132
as someone who has been to many a rehab in my day, i found all of those scenes to be very accurate.

>>9597947
>This is also why conviction doesn’t go down well with Generation Y – strong beliefs are taken as a sign of “flat” personality, since people always seem more complex and thoughtful when they’re weighing their options, stroking their chin and avoiding all commitment. Why else do you think Obama’s such a dreamboat?
Shots fired.

i lold. It seems fitting that this wallace debate turned into some weirdly sincere fight club

>>9599930
>I guess I can forgive religious people for it, since they’re doing it out of sheer terror, but I can’t forgive mopers who expect sympathy for expecting sympathy for expecting sympathy and expect me to care.

>>9599933
Yeah, all this ironic chest puffing is really amusing and humorous, due to its ironical and chest puffing nature, and also because of its risibility and comicality. I laughed a lot.

>>9599857
Look man, I was angry earlier. I'm not much of a fighter really. Let's call it a truce?

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HE CAN'T THINK

HE CAN'T WRITE

>>9596261
I thought this was funny but I still want to fight you.

>>9599983
hell no pussy we rumbling now. it won't be that bad just be a fucking man.

I'm gonna be there this wednesday at 10 and if you're not there I'm gonna start knocking on doors and I will fight someone by the end of the night

you might think this is a joke but I am not fucking playing this is the most sincere is gets be there and don't make me look for you it won't be that bad.

>>9599992
time and place bruh

>>9599750
I'll fuck you up in a game of Super Smash Bros. Wii U

>>9599983
I'm not playing I already called out of work that night. I got the route plugged in my phone. be there

>>9596261
Yes, that anon seems intelligent and knows to start a sentence with a capital letter, pleb. You should learn the same by the time you leave middle school.

>>9596252
Apollonian
>>9596261
Dionysian

>>9599923
Not so much the rehab scenes as the puerile, purposely anti-high-literature scenes of Tony shitting, bleeding, vomiting etc and Lenz graphically killing animals

>>9596213
Ever since reddit infiltrated, there's been a noticeable increase of people using terms like "pretentious" and "elitist" because (check for yourself) this is the go-to response to anything reddit can't understand. The recent backlash on difficult novels (Pynchon, Gaddis, Wallace, Barth, Joyce, etc.) is not a coincidence, there are more brainlets hanging out around here recently, go into any thread about Stephen King if you want proof. Just call them out, watch how they repeat the previously stated terms without ever coming up with a legitimate criticism, and it will become clear just how little the people here actually read.

Imagine hanging out with this guy >>9600098 in real life. go ahead I'll wait.

does it seem fun?

>>9600111
I don't go to people's houses to watch basketball and argue that LeBron James is a tryhard and Channing Frye is who we should really be paying attention to. This is a literature board, read more.

>>9600056
>>9600016

That poster wasn't me. I will be waiting.

>>9596252
is way more fun than
>>9596261

>>9596261
I hang around people like you everyday, and not by choice. I'd gladly hang out with the other guy, it would be a significant step up from who I'm normally around.

>Is /lit/ genuinely anti DFW now?

We had a few years of worshiping DFW as a postmodern Messiah. The majority of /lit/ really has no understanding of postmodernism, but now that Jordan Peterson has come along and essentially said postmodernists are synonymous with leftist SJWs, /lit/ has had no choice but to abandon poor old Dave.

>>9600185
Applying Peterson's criticism to the literary movement in any way is ridiculous and reductive.

Part of the disdain for him stems from Infinite Jest's failure to live up to its former reputation here, once actually read - the novel strains under the weight of its own ambition, though if it misses the mark one must be charitable because it was a difficult shot to take, and one that no one before had attempted, truly. Of course, the same criticism cannot be levied on, nor the same charity required from, the rest of his corpus; especially his later short stories, which at their best are sublime and at their worst still engaging with typical Wallaceian flair. But of these /lit/ remains paradoxically and woefully unread.

Another possibility to consider is DFW's cultural synonymity with overeducated, overintellectual, perhaps posturing, mainly white, college-aged males, and that this may have caused those who have a bone to pick with that group, and those on whom they impress, to reject DFW as a symbol of American white bourgeois masculinity; of course /lit/, ever-modish, and with sizable reddit import, would be quick to seize upon such a trend - but I refrain from further judgment.

>>9600248
Oh fuck off

>>9600217
>Applying Peterson's criticism to the literary movement in any way is ridiculous and reductive.

Yet it is completely accurate. From 2012-2015, DFW was /lit/s posterboy for postmodernism. They worshiped DFW and worshiped postmodernism, usually with multiple daily threads along the lines of, "What is postmodernism?" DFW was heralded as the postmodern king. Just have a scroll through the archives from around that time. Both DFW and postmodernism held the same pedestal, and /lit/ would collective kneel before them in wide-eyed worship.

Ever since Peterson became /lit/s new messiah, postmodernism, and anything associated with postmodernism, has become the object of despise and ridicule. Unfortunately, somewhere on the verges of /lit/s Freudian Id is old notion that DFW is this incredible postmodern wizard, and the new notion that postmodernism is something tooo do with leftist SJW otherkin. /lit/s ego is unable to reconcile these two positions.

Also give this 10min segment a watch: Jordan Peterson - The Importance of Battling Postmodernism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIinYbVYRc0

>>9599986
looks like a mix of ted cruz and nicholas cage

>>9596261
I would be grateful to hang out with him. It's not saying much coming from me though.

Wow, this is the most anyone has ever told me they want to hang out with me. and it's only to spite that one guy :(

>>9600248
This guy gets it

>>9596261
not an argument

>>9599923
the animal killing was one thing, although I actually found that very interesting because its not something I have ever thought about doing and reading about it was a unique experience.

but again, as an addict i related to the withdrawal scenes. i could imagine him stuck in the bathroom stall shitting his brains out because ive pretty much been there (just luckily not in a public restroom)
but i could see how anyone who hasnt been through it would be turned off and not able to relate at all.
Now that I think about it, maybe I loved the book because of my connection to all the Ennet House back stories.

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>>9600807
shit i responded to myself haha
>>9600091
there we go, all better
plus ill throw on pic related for some DFW meme material

>>9600248
accurate post

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>>9596213
I took a creative nonfiction course with David Wallace at Ponoma back in '94. We weren't allowed to show anyone our essays outside of the class for some reason. He seemed naturally intelligent, didnt need to look at any notes or textbooks or prepare for any lectures, he just knew his stuff and was super casual.

I saw him talking to a girl on campus one day. He uncharacteristically wore a Fila sweatsuit, the kind that looks like it's made from the same material as parachutes, and trainer sneakers with a matching bandana. That was his pussy hunt outfit apparently. Several times a week, same outfit, I'd see him hitting on women in it. I once saw him wearing it while carrying an identical outfit from the dry cleaners, he had like 4 sets of same Fila sweatsuit.

I asked him about it in class and he said we aren't allowed to discuss anything unrelated to class while inside class, the same way we can't show anyone outside of cass our essays. A student called out "but Dostoevsky isn't in this class and last week you talked about replicating his black tea obsession to test its affects on your own writing". Wallace stared blankly at the student with dead eyes for 30 seconds in dead silence then said "you just got knocked down a full letter grade. Any other smart asses? Didn't think so." and pushed up his glasses with his index finger.

I remember telling myself this guy will either be super successful or kill himself.

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>>9601807
>Wallace stared blankly at the student with dead eyes for 30 seconds in dead silence then said "you just got knocked down a full letter grade. Any other smart asses? Didn't think so." and pushed up his glasses with his index finger.

>>9601807
>either be super successful or kill himself

well you nailed it on both accounts

>>9600111
fuck off outta here

I would have never heard of IJ if it wasn't for /lit/ and I somehow stuck through it all. I could care less whether or not people like it or dislike it, reading this book reversed years of verbal atrophy due to chronic academia. It's also refreshing to see some of his stylistic choices. I got in trouble as a kid for using baroque as an adjective, and for using apostrophes immediately after plurals, and other little things, but DFW does it all, which I feel is supreme vindication. My only wonder is, how a literary talent like this could have survived the American educational system without being crushed into cubiform.

>>9601807
I know this is copypasta but someone should really fix the date.

Wallace taught at Pomona from 2004 until his suicide in 2008.

Either fix it to be Illinois State University in 1994 or Pomona in 2004-2008.

On a side note, I studied at Pomona College 2002-2006 and I saw him a few times around campus. I never took a class with him, but I really wish I had.

>>9601955
how did he walk? I've always imagined that he sort of stumbled around and wall just very clumsy in general

When it comes to DFW, I'm with Bloom.

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if DFW were alive today my prediction is he would be writing about the alt-right as a corrupted new-sincerity based off a postmodernist world view where people see the truth in sincerity but cannot bring themselves to actually embrace it and so stoke a fire of sincerity through the ironic and simulated distance that internet neo-nazism allows them. basically, those in need of new sincerity are too nihilistic for it, but maintain a communal LARPed daydream of it in the alt right.

>>9602024
He walked normally as far as I remember. He slouched a bit, but most people I know who are 6'2" or more usually slouch.

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>>9602096
but isn't trump literally hitler 2.0 that got elected because of internet neo-nazis? that doesn't seem like a daydream anon.

>>9602175
>because of internet neo-nazis
4chan has no large scale influence. This is what the blowhards on /pol/ that are not larping would love to believe.

>>9602194
they seem to be doing a good job at getting people to hate the (((globalists))) at least, i see that stuff literally all over the place (eh, mostly youtube)

how can anyone take him seriously after bloom (pbuh) wrekt him so thoroughly?

>>9600248
>cultural synonymity...
Probably. the last year has shown just how ideological, biased and righteous these people are, even though they are highly educated and should know better.

>>9596261
lol btfo at least /lit/ hasn't gone down this low.

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>>9602270
oh /lit/ has gone plenty low in the past

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>>9602282
>inb4 newfag reactions

we really need to top this soon. there are so many deserving fuckers on youtube, men and women. but of course with women it will be funnier.

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>>9602282
Holy shit

>>9602488
>we
ok if you'd like to do something clever and interesting, go ahead

I will never not laugh at the greatly deserved ridicule of this hack fraud. Why bother reading someone who couldn't even live with himself?

The only sincere moment in the life of David Foster Wallace was when he kicked away the chair. The rest of his life was a lie, the new sincerity was a joke whose punchline was the creaking of a leather belt around the rafter.

His literary career was a menagerie of self help lies told to keep his depression at bay - the audience pussy and drugs were the ghosts at that feast of hypocrisy.

The depression was warranted because behind all the gimmicks and the self awareness and the bandannas was no discernible talent.

>>9596252
>>9596270
ignore the hate pal you seem like a really smart and deep, /lit/ was just being a dick

>>9596261
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>>9596213
I don't really see what's so bad about him and Infinite Jest is a very fun read. Maybe it's academics or self proclaimed "patricians" (AKA pseudo) who don't like him. It's art, there's no right answer, and if it doesn't speak to you it doesn't speak to you.

>>9596261
I wouldn't hang out with anyone from /lit/. Not even in exchange for money

>>9600370
DFW isn't even Postmodern, though...

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>>9596213
>welcome to the water