teilhard de chardin/noosphere

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I haven't read a lot of him so far, but my impression is that Chardin is what happens basically what happens if in an alternate universe you take Nick Land, strip out the drugs and weirdness, and turned him into a cheerful and optimistic Jesuit.

>sounds boring desu
>well i guess

this stupid habit of the french to swap words in a phrase and acting like it's insightful is fucking tiresome

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Sorry for memeing but this stuff is messing with my foundations. "Love God, love technology/religion takes shape in evolution/evolution of tech/spiritualization of the future." That means:

love tech/don't hate tech:
>no heidegger

love God/don't worship misery:
>no nietzsche, no nick land

Don't be a Marxist/Freudian
>no [X]

So basically, if I want to get down with Chardin, it means I can't namedrop most of the guys I have been reading. Christian scientist/prophet/mystic guys are a pain in the neck. Life was easier when I could just blame ideology, tech, capital, whatever. I am basically completely unprepared to think that this is a workable way to look at the world and yet I'm having a hard time thinking of a better possibility. I don't know why I do this to myself.

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Basically, Christian transhumanism. Except without the easy division into -

>See, you shouldn't have stolen the fire/Prometheanism
or
>Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds, feels good man

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>>9591932

Don't really know him much but, it is somewhat commendable (and certainly something French philosophers would eventually do as they do like everything) to attempt claiming transhumanism does not necessarily mean forsaking all things human. Still, this is harder to come to terms with than the Landian-Lovecraftian hypothesis. Does he have a seminal work or anything written by him goes first?

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>>9592616
>Does he have a seminal work or anything written by him goes first?
Yes. This is his big book, and it's available on libgen. There's a bunch of his other stuff available on the Internet Archive.

Link:
https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22PIERRE+TEILHARD+DE+CHARDIN%22

>Still, this is harder to come to terms with than the Landian-Lovecraftian hypothesis.
No shit. That's where I am too, especially after having read the Marxist guys up and down (and Nick Land is still a part of that too, even if he's espousing the zombie-Sith form or being Evil Deleuze or whatever).

But I've recently been coming around - *very slowly* - to Christianity, and, well, that has ripple effects. No doubt though Christian transhumanism, while it definitely sounds intriguing, is harder to wrap your head around than the Land-Lovecraft approach.

Plus Chardin already had a rocky relationship with the Vatican for his views on evolution, so...yeah, it's a tall order all around, for sure.

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>>9592616
That picture is hilarious, by the way. One in kind.

i picked up phenomenon of man recently actually. haven't started it yet but i've heard this guy had an influence on mcluhan which is cool.

Chardin always struck me as pretty Hegelian but in a more cosmological sense (if that's the right word) than political.

Can I get a quick rundown on the noosphere? I know it's some far-out Russian stuff which may or may not have been proved by Soviet scientists.

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>>9592638
I'd believe that. McLuhan was also a Catholic, makes sense.

I'm not a hard-core Catholic myself, or *really* a Christian...but I'm slowly finding myself more and more into those writers and that perspective. /lit/ has done this to me in part with the high quality of the Christian/Catholic/other threads. Plus McIntyre, Girard, etc. I'm kind of discovering that kind of literature for the first time, and now here's this cheerful Jesuit mystic who sounds like alternate-reality Nick Land, so.

What did you/do you think of Phenomenon of Man?

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>>9592645
>Can I get a quick rundown on the noosphere?

>“[H]ow can we fail to see that the process of convergence from which we emerged, body and soul, is continuing to envelop us more closely than ever, to grip us, in the form of—under the folds of, we might say—a gigantic planetary contraction?
The irresistible ‘setting’ or cementing together of a thinking mass (Mankind) which is continually more compressed upon itself by the simultaneous multiplication and expansion of its individual elements: there is not one of us, surely, who is not almost agonizingly aware of this, in the very fibre of his being. This is one of the things that no one today would even try to deny: we can all see the fantastic anatomical structure of a vast phylum whose branches, instead of diverging as they normally do, are ceaselessly folding in upon one another ever more closely, like some monstrous inflorescence—like, indeed, an enormous flower folding-in upon itself; the literally global physiologyof an organism in which production, nutrition, the machine, research, and the legacy of heredity are, beyond any doubt, building up to planetary dimensions; the increasing impossibility of the individual’s attaining economic and intellectual self-sufficiency

Source:
http://www.lawoftime.org/noosphere/theoryandhistory.html

https://teilhard.com/2013/08/13/the-noosphere-part-i-teilhard-de-chardins-vision/

So that's part of it, I guess. And then there's the Omega Point, but I don't want to come off too flakey or such about this. Chardin is regarded - apparently? I haven't been reading this for too long - as being one of the founders of the New Age movement, which, however much I like some of it, isn't exactly known for its scholarly rigour.

Still tho, he seems respectable enough to continue reading. And there are a whole bunch of interesting nuns with PhD's in pharmacology and physics who are into him too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebWyx2-5YgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftAWGUFxwaE

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>>9592658
Sorry, fucked up that greentext. Some more assorted links.

http://teilharddechardin.org/index.php/biography

http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.ca/2008/05/notes-on-teilhards-omega-point-part-1.html

https://books.google.ca/books?id=7R8xtzmt-_wC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=religion+takes+shape+in+technology&source=bl&ots=Kmb_cXm5qX&sig=YbgU7_ioC4YAh1g43GFCyaLrXjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizpdep-KLUAhWI24MKHZoYBbgQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=religion%20takes%20shape%20in%20technology&f=false

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>>9592645
Found this too.

Vernadsky:
>The historical process is being radically changed under our very eyes. For the first time in the history of mankind the interests of the masses on the one hand, and the free thought of individuals on the other, determine the course of life of mankind and provide standards for mere ideas of justice. Mankind taken as a whole is becoming a mighty geological force. There arises the problem of the reconstruction of the biosphere in the interests of freely thinking humanity as a single totality. This new state of the biosphere, which we approach without our noticing, is the nöosphere.

And now here we are, talking about it on the internet...

Source:
http://larouchepub.com/other/2005/site_packages/vernadsky/3207bios_and_noos.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky

>>9592658
>>9592676
nice, thanks