Other than The Road to Wigan Pier, are there any other books

Any 20th century history book

>>9587998
there have been times and places when it did. weimar germany almost went full communist

but the basic issue is that "socialism" is a set of abstractions that require 115+ IQ to really wrap your head around on a theoretical level. working class people are mostly interested in people they know and middle sized physical objects in their environment.

there's no reason for a 95 IQ tradesman to believe or trust Marxism when he can't understand it - and he probably knows fully well that people like himself are not equipped to rule the world.

as someone who worked construction for 5 years, the idea that these guys are the people who should run society is a joke. sure there is corruption and abuse, but hierarchies exist for a reason

>>9588034
The real joke is thinking they could possibly do worse than the current gang of criminals and incompetents.

>hierarchies exist for a reason
Please.

>>9588046
anecdotal but the school board in my town is run by a bunch of tradesmen and it is run completely incompetently.

>>9588034
IQ 130 tradesman here. The real reason that socialism is not supported by the working class (in my country at least) is because there is no socialist party, there is no revolutionary vanguard, there is no substantial socialist dialogue via public intellectuals or even media persona. In short, there is very little socialism to support. Abstract indeed, it hardly has a pulse. There are many working men and women like me, completely capable of understanding and appreciating socialism, but if it lacks substance, as is the case in the US, then why should we give our time to supporting it?

>>9588034
Also
>hierarchies exist for a reason
Is a teleological fallacy

>>9588089

I think working class people tend to hate socialism, because most people who ARE socialist tend to be in favor of multiculturalism and mass immigration. They also tend to relentlessly attack the traditions and culture that working class people hold dear.

>>9588106
Working class people are simply too variable to classify the way Marx and his followers would-the future of the left is definitely post-Marxist and syncretic. As far as multiculturalism and immigration goes, it is true that the working class is effectively divided by racism, really convenient for the elite (((financiers))) to maintain a near monopoly of wealth (the top 10% holding 76% of total wealth, nearly doubling in the past 20 years alone but oh I guess Juan is my real enemy okay buddy)

>>9588089
is your point different because youre a 130 iq tradesman?

>>9588121
Kind of but not really because I'm not getting any good boy points for reading Houllebecq on my lunch breaks.

>>9587998

Gulag Archipelago

>>9588961
>implying working class people have read Soljénitsyne

>>9587998

We know why they don't support socialism. It's because they tend to be uneducated and they don't know any better.

>>9588034

Ironically, the history of socialist activity has frequently been one of outright subverting any attempt to allow workers control of society or their jobs. More often than not has been the paternalistic party trying to bring these louts into a proper proletarian role, and then hopefully educate them so they can understand how to operate as good comrades.

>>9588106

The working class just isn't as neatly rational as Marx and much of the left today would hope. The left that I follow right now desperately wants to return to class based politics and more traditional socialist theory, but the world has changed a lot. I'm not sure if that will work anymore. Obviously SJW shit isn't going to work towards socialism either, but it isn't really the main goal of that wing.

It seems pretty complicated though. The working class even in America can occasionally be open to having a social democracy, but more often than not they turn on it because of racism or tribal hatred of blue state coastal libs and their cringey media.