Reality is the state of things. To live in reality is to know

>>9583173
Could you make it a little vaguer and more airy fairy

nigga u need jesus

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>while we cannot know what that state is, we can know the state of things

what did he mean by this

>>9583173
What's the difference between factual and inmediate reality?

>>9583193
Well simply put, we can't know what really is. Is this all a simulation? We can never disprove that notion. Therefore we will never know for certain whether anything is real or not.

But what we can know is what the state of things here and now is. They may basically all be conjured up illusions but we can in fact know these conjured up illusions. At least on a subjective level.

>>9583203
There's no need to bite the skeptical bullet.
Moore did what you are trying to say more than a century ago. Get with the times lad

>>9583200
Immediate reality is all you have access to. Lets say your are an alcoholic. That is then part of your immediate reality. You might KNOW that it is dumb, but that doesnt make you dry. So you first accept that you are within the immediate reality of being an alcoholic and then you try to achieve the factual reality of "my life will be better without being an alcoholic". There might be a ton of things for you to do which do not include quitting drinking, which you have to do, before you actually can stop drinking. Maybe get a job. You simply are an alcoholic and cant stop drinking (we just suppose this of course) and you accept that and work with what you have so that then you enable yourself to move closer toward the factual reality.

Factual reality = what we know. immediate reality = what we can/must act upon

>>9583211
Yah sure. To prove that there is an actual tangible reality which we can live in by collapsing the skeptics view of the world upon itself is the same as to raise your hand and say "hurr durr, look me gots a hand"

Fuck off mate

>>9583227
I suggest that you read the article in question and stop making a fool of yourself.

>>9583173
>Reality is the state of things.
X = Y

>To live in reality is to know the state of things and to act accordingly.
therefore Y = X

>But as Descartes showed, we cannot prove the state of things as we perceive them to be the actual state of things.
Descartes showed Y != Y

>Therefore we cannot live in reality.
therefore X != Y

>I beg to differ. The state of things is simply the true reality.
I beg to differ, X = Y

>While we cannot know what that state is, we can know the state of things as we encounter them, or the immediate order of reality.

While we cannot solve for Y, we can know that Y = Y

>Repent nihilists of /lit/. Repent and see your errors.
REPEEEEENT.

I'm not posting a counterargument or anything I'm just posting how your post turned into nonsense in my brain.

>We might know of a key, but if our cell prohibits us from ever reaching it what good does that do?
meaningful /lit/ quality material meant to be explored through storytelling in a book