Martin quits writing Winds of Winter because GoT spoiled major

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>Aside from that, Martin has also been reported to be writing the script of five “Game of Thrones” spinoffs. According to rumours, the upcoming “Game of Thrones” Season 8 is going to be the last installment of the TV series but spinoff series are totally going to follow after its finale.

Show's better anyway.

>Martin reportedly became disappointed with David Benioff and Dan Weiss for featuring some spoilers for the upcoming sixth “A Song of Ice and Fire” novel
>Meanwhile, the "A Feast of Crows" writer has recently established the StageCoach Foundation, which aims to help budding filmmakers improve their skills in production. “The Winds of Winter” author is reportedly planning to ask the help of his good pals in Hollywood to help train the newbies.
Now that's what I call assblasted.

>article written by Jaja

Moral of the story: Don't sell your soul!

Can't wait for a more progressive writer to take over this series. This bigoted misogynist has spent enough time ruining a potentially great series with his fantasy.

>>9564863

This. Martin sold his soul because of the popularity of faux geek culture and he wanted to be the next Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter but look at where it has gotten him? Martin should've remained a niche fantasy author until he at least had books 1-6 out before signing a deal with HBO but he wanted that money and fame badly.

>>9564828
Kek. That guy really is never going to finish winds of winter. We've just been memeing about it but it seems like it's real. I don't really care, but I do feel kinda bad for all the fans that have been waiting patiently while being continuously disappointed by this tub of lard.

>>9564886
>but look at where it has gotten him

yeah, all of that fuck-you money and worldwide acclaim really came back to bite him in the ass

he def should have remained a largely anonymous nobody and then quietly died of a heart attack at a red lobster in delaware, leaving his works to be posthumously produced so that he couldn't enjoy any of the fruits of his work

>>9564863
>>9564886
Everything was going to shit before he became famous though, after the disappointment of A Storm of Swords people were sceptical as fuck of him.

It doesn't matter. Next collaboration with Dozois on another compilation fucking when? Old Venus, Rogues and Dangerous Women were all good reads.

GOT fans are literal subhuman cucks who only read that and other reddit shite anyway

their happiness is dependent on an 80 year old man with a cheeseburger addiction

>>9564828
In other words: nothing has changed. He was never planning on finishing the book anyways.
Genrefags btfo, again.

>>9564925
and your happiness in dependent on feeling superior on a vietnamese manhwa website

>>9564925
>cucks
>le plebbit
I'll take a silly YA redditor over autistic /pol/ teenager any time of the day.

>>9564946
yeah mine is achievable because I am superior

>>9564952
>le pol boogeyman
the only thing you'll take is imported black cock up the ass you fucking snowflake

So he's pulling another A Feast For Crows? Fucking kek.

>The #Winds of Winter

BRAVO MARTIN

http://grrm.livejournal.com/536859.html

Grrm gonna need some adderall...

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FINISH THE FAT FUCK YOU BOOK

>>9564999
I have bad news for you: straight men do not think about nigger dick, especially not to the point where it becomes a reflexive Tourettes-like response to anyone who disagrees with your beliefs. Get help before you have a total mental breakdown.

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>>9564999
>actually using snowflake as in insult unironically
>completely out of context and unprompted
I can't believe I'm seeing this with my own eyes

>>9564999
honey, calm down

>new stories set in the "secondary universe" (to borrow Tolkien's term)
>FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?)
I thought ruling was hard?

>(If we do get five series on the air, I might have to change my name to Dick Direwolf).
Dick Wolf is enough.

>>9564828
Oh, that's a fucking relief.
Now I'm free to go and shit down the throat of whatever ASoIAF fan I find with impunity.

>>9565066
>>9565037
>>9565022
not an argument

>>9564913

>after the disappointment of A Storm of Swords people were sceptical as fuck of him

Were they really? I was like 8 when it came out so I'm seriously asking. I loved a Storm of Swords, and it seems to be the most beloved out of the five. Are you sure you aren't referring to Feast for Crows?

>>9565091
lel, stop panicking, we're all anonymous here

>>9564886
All of this could have been avoided if he had just finished Dance in a timely manner. But noooo we gotta wait 6 years for that shit. The series should have been finished before the 6th season started and they had to start copying from his notes.

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>>9565084
>He hasn't already been shitting on them

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>>9565091
nice meme response ya brain-dead faggot

>>9565020
kekd

>>9565101
It should have, but that would have required the guy to actually sit down and write instead of consuming cheeseburgers and watching football.

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Are we seeing the death of what was known after 2007 as "nerd culture"? Is this the end?

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>>9565111

Look, as bad as he is, those people that encourage him to go on doing it are worse. Every time he's delayed a book there's like hundreds of people saying, "Don't worry, Georgie, take your time, make it perfect!" Like, bitch, can you stop? He's not making it perfect. He's got 10 fucking blogs in a row strictly covering American football, followed by 3 of him trying to shill other authors. Jesus.

>>9564899
He won awards for a bunch of books before he even wrote the ASOIF series. He was writing for TV, like Twilight Zone. He wasn't anonymous

>>9565133
>literally ignores the OP's political comment and tells him to stay on topic
proof that Trump fellaters can't comprehend what they read

>>9565019
>I'm totally still writing it, guys!

>>9565133

Why are you trying to make a thread about a fantasy series into a political one? You stupid fucking /pol/ack. Go back to your containment board, please.

>>9565157
>he doesn't know that over half the posts on this board are /pol/ related now
I've just learned to ignore it. They're not going to go away unless the janitors do something.

>>9565119
God I hope so

>>9565133
Blumpf BTFO

>>9565157
>implying GRRM hasn't taken every opportunity to run out in front of cameras and scream "Presdient Pussygrabber" every 10 seconds instead of writing.

>>9564840
>Meanwhile, the "A Feast of Crows" writer has recently established the StageCoach Foundation, which aims to help budding filmmakers improve their skills in production. “The Winds of Winter” author is reportedly planning to ask the help of his good pals in Hollywood to help train the newbies.

finally this fat cunt does something worthwhile. fair play to him

>>9564828
normie series anyways

>>9564840
>"A Feast of Crows" writer
>“The Winds of Winter” author

wow, so this is journalistic writing

Show is better

>>9564886
Yeah, continue being a no name fucking nobody fat POS and continue writing books that you don't even want to anymore.

I'm sure he prefers his life now compared to sitting at a desk for hours on end writing.

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>>9564828
Why was he upset about spoilers? They're telling the same story.

>>9565291
That's not journalism

>>9565348
It's almost as if surprises and secrets make for good stories.

>>9565373
(They don't - your story is shit if all it offers are surprises and secrets.)

>>9565373
Then put the book out already you fat fuck
2 years, fine, you gotta make it perfect, you gotta undo knots in the story, fine. But 5 fucking years later? If you're disciplined, like you get up at 8 am every day and write from 8 to noon, have a lunch, then write noon to 8 with a break or two in between, you can write 1000 pages in a year no fucking problem, but this fat fuck has absolutely ZERO (0) discipline in him.
If I ever hear him complain about "his story" being spoiled by the show I will flip shit.

>>9564828
>reportedly
>reportedly
>reportedly
>some quotes from last year

>>9565426
Post it

>>9565426
>browsing reddit
go back and stay there

>>9564893
I've waited so long I really don't care. I've come to realize that the mystery of a story is always better than the reveal. No matter what GRRM does, the hype about what he might do will always outcompete him. Where the Others came from or if there's a Great Northern Plot or the Littlefinger Debt Scheme will never be as satisfying as theorizing about these things. I honestly don't really care if he finishes the series anymore.

>>9565373
The secret never matches the mystery. If your entire story is only interesting because of the mysteries, the ending will fall apart. You can never write a reveal which matches the hype.

wait till his money runs out.

>>9565554
highly doubt it. He'll be resting on his laurels and the merch money long after hes dead and Song of Spring is just left written on post-it notes

>>9565426
You're ruining this board

>>9565291
This type of writing throws me into a rage desu.

>>9564828
No one cares about the books anymore. Once you provide a film/tv alternative to a book, it's over. People will consume your shit one hour a week instead of reading.

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>>9564886
>but look at where it has gotten him?

Drowning in a sea of chocolate.

>>9565426
Because the title is sensationalist bullshit. If you read the article you'd see that there's no actual news.

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JUST TELL US WHAT HAPPENS TO STANNIS YOU FAT FUCK

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>>9564886
My bro he is in his 60s

He's been writing since the 70s

That's enough time being niche.

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>>9565606
He was decapitated by Brienne of Tarth while sitting up against a tree.

After sacrificing his family and having half his army abandon him.

You know, like the grumpy turd he is.

>>9565632
Stannis didn't die in the books, nor did he kill his daughter. That was pure D&D.

>>9565665
>the average asoiaf fan

>>9564886
He's been doing writing for tv for many many years

>http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html
>Jan. 2nd, 2016 at 12:24 AM

>>9565792
>http://grrm.livejournal.com/536859.html
>May. 14th, 2017 at 6:01 PM
>I AM STILL WORKING ON WINDS OF WINTER

>>9565448

tfw everyone is arguing about an article with no real substance.

>>9565819
It's a dull Sunday afternoon, I'm not surprised.

>>9565235
>implying that allows you to ruin /lit/

>>9565426
I dont go on reddit unless I am building a PC

>>9565092
ASOS is the best book of the series yeah, it didnt disappoint anybody

>>9565092
Among my friends the first three books were beloved and eagerly awaited.

Of course we were reading RA Salvatore Drizzt books before that so take that as you will.

>>9564828
And nothing of value was lost.

>>9564876
Weak bait

Should I even bother reading the series at this point?

>>9565908
This. It was the highpoint in the series, and it should have ended there. Would have been viewed as a masterpiece in its genre, even if the ending was left unresolved. It's become a joke now.

>>9566064
One of the best fantasy books I've read for sure. There have been better series than ASOIAF out there but those first three books (particularly the first and third) were genuinely great pieces of fantasy writing. Forth and fifth books were shit in comparison.

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>>9566382
agreed. i lost my fucking life during the 3rd book. some good fucking fiction. i read somewhere on here that the red wedding was his way of pouting cause everyone figured out the ending to his story. any truth to that?

Are you people this retarded in not realizing that this is a complete clickbait article?

Seriously, there's literally a article written everyday about TWOW with nothing new in it just to bait people into visiting the site.

If nothing matters then why does it hurt?

>>9566436
I realize this but it doesn't curb my want to meme and shitpost about GRRM. We all know that it'll be at least a couple years before he shits out the rest of the book to appease his fans, though. He'll probably just add a few boring Daenerys chapters and call it a day.

>>9564839
The show fell off a cliff once the producers started writing it themselves. GRRM was struggling to tie it all together, but the show producers shit out an almighty turd last year

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>>9565665
Was gonna happen in Winds of Winter anyway.

>>9566579
Yeah the last season dropped considerably in quality. I don't really know what happened. Suddenly characters could teleport all over the fucking map and be in places that they're logically not supposed to be in. It was never amazing to begin with, but it was definitely miles ahead of most other television shows and I quite like a few of the actors.

>>9565133
how is his wild card series?

>>9566615
yeah and arya lives through being shanked and falling into a river. some magic hurr dur will work.

>>9566615
GRRM Secretly added a fast travel.

>>9564839
Not even close to correct

>>9564886
Martin signed a deal 2 years after he had finished his 3rd book, when he thought he was about to finish his fourth. The wait between the first two was never longer than two years, and he thought he would only need five novels.

He just misjudged his ability to keep writing that series. It's been a dozen years since he first talked screen adaptations and he's no closer to terminus.

It's no ones fault but his own.

>>9566640
What's slowly begun to dawn on me is that it's really possible that Martin just doesn't fucking know how to end the books. That he may just not be a good enough writer to pull all the shit he's put in the series together to a satisfying conclusion. Tolkien could do it. Wolfe could do it. Outside of fantasy you've got great writers like Faulkner and Melville who could juggle complex plots with lots of characters and multiple points of view. Martin just may not be in that caliber, and so while he was good enough to set all this in motion, he's not good enough to bring it to a halt. He has bumped his fat shaggy head against the ceiling of his own talents.

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>>9564828
Fuck this fat fuck.

I'm glad I stopped following the series after the bullshit wait for book four. I thought I'd out-clever him by waiting until the series was over to pick it back up or not, but now even that's looking dodgy.

>>9565037
>Anon insulted me, and it was pretty good
>I should make fun of one word in his insult
>*maximum damage control*

>>9565091
Oh shit we have been molynaded

>>9564886
>Martin should've remained a niche fantasy
He might not have been as popular as Tolkien or Rowling pre-GoT but he was easily one of the top 5 most popular contemporary fantasy writers even before the TV series. I got into the series in the late 90s when I found the first book translated to my language in the local library and I'm a Croatian from a small town of ~30k people.

Does anyone really care anymore? I can barely remember the books, they don't have a lasting impression.

>>9564839
This.

>>9565478
The mistery of a story is shit, I've had enough of cunt writers avoiding writing down a proper ending.
I don't want to theorize my version of the story, I want to know the actual fucking story. Why do readers have to be cheated into making up their own ending ? It's fucking cheap and weak and no matter what you theorize, it'll always feel wrong and make you wonder what the fuck is the fucking ending. A disappointing taste lingering in the mind in a sea of disappointment.

>>9564886

Woah woah calm down. He was never making high art from the beginning.

You think there is some great artistic integrity to a genre fic writer remaining obscure?
PROTIP: They would still be writing genre fic.

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>>9564828
This is some maximum level clickbait.

But yeah, he isn't ever finishing this series. Even if he finishes the next book the TV show will have already finished.

>>9567283
>implying i was the anon he insulted
>implying snowflake is a good insult
>implying shrieking libcuck snowflake is anything short of pathetic
you and him are both parodies, you know that, right?

>>9565119
please god
make it so

I don't wish misfortune or financial fuckery upon genuine talent, but maymay culture of the West needs to die.

>>9564839
1000x this.

>>9564860
Do think that's pronounced haha or yaya?

>>9567479
>Even if he finishes the next book the TV show will have already finished.
so?

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>>9564876
At least try

>>9565019
>For what it's worth, I don't especially like the term "spinoff," and I don't think it really applies to these new projects. What we're talking about are new stories set in the "secondary universe" (to borrow Tolkien's term) of Westeros and the world beyond, the world I created for A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE...

Yesh, yesh, what we the creative peoples of multiple Golden Globesh™ awarding show are doing here ish not a "shpinoff", but avant-garde crative prochesh of embellishing A Song Of Ice And Fire© Universe into a future televizionised epic of transhumanised proportions. I'm alsho not a sellout by doing that shince it was already done before. It'll be way shuperior in both quality and vishual effects fidelity than anything written or adapted for film by that lowly and early scify undergraduate that didn't know echonomics like I do.

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>This fat sack of shit is going to die before finishing the story

>>9564913

A Storm of Swords was the best one of the series! It's the 4th and 5th that were terrible!

>>9565632
not canon you faggot

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>>9567787

reddit on suicide watch

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>People who unironically like ASoIaF ITT
Get the fuck out of /lit/

You don't seem to realize how /lit/ used to be great, before beasts like you ruined it. Now the mods side with the mediocre, with the rabble, with you; they will ban anyone telling your kind to get the fuck out. They helped make this place more like reddit; and it just keeps getting worse, as reddit users come, and just see the garbage, the retarded shit, the dumb sci-fi, fantasy, pleb threads, and go "woah this board is actually quite like reddit but with another template," so we have to deal with them, and they start to form sort of gangs, and will side against anything rare or noble to further wallow in their mediocrity like an animal in its shit. Most of them must be fat fucks, gamers and losers.

Some of them can be reared into respectable people, but they must encounter anons with unfathomable arrogance backed up by true knowledge of the subject matter. The good ones will feel terrible about themselves, and will remake themselves. They will read the good books, they will despise their former selves, and attempt to create a new personality, bringing about their maturity.

The others are just too low-blood to make it, probably the descendants of products of incest or the sludge of some peasant caste in a past age, the kind with big foreheads and squinted faces, who hunker through the streets and yell at anyone they deem "tryhard" or "hipster," words true for some but used falsely by them against anything or anyone remotely Olympian. These must be simply embarrassed with ad hominems, doxes, literary gang rape and dunce caps until they get the fuck out for good. That's all they can understand, so we speak their language.

Since we stopped doing this like we used to, the board now lacks the atmosphere of an old e/lit/e french salon fused with the violent Greek ἀγών which it once possessed.

We don't have experts to come in and shit on newplebs, tell them to go back to reading catcher in the rye: we've let people who fap off to DFW actually have threads and not shame them out of here, and the American election has made everyone care about petty politics more than the canon, so you get effete antifa wannabees and braindead alt-right meme-spouters bickering about who is more sophisticated when neither of them read anything written prior to the nineteenth century.

If we want the board to be good we have to shit on people all the time and cultivate a culture of elitism again.

In order to achieve this, we must make the reddit users feel not welcome, and ruin their chances at an actual discussion of whatever their mediocrity brought them to enjoy. They must lose all incentive to come here. This incentive is fundamentally that they find a platform which allows to partake in such discussion. This platform must be destroyed; we must insult, humiliate and harass them until they can no longer find any pleasure in coming here.

>>9567860
>anime reaction image
Opinion disregarded.

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>>9567860
>You don't seem to realize how /lit/ used to be great
stopped reading

>>9567869
this
>>9567860
also, not defending it, but you don't know this place, it had unironical asoiaf threads years ago

>>9565019
> FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?)

jesus christ

>>9566394

I don't think that's true. There's an image somewhere of the original plan he had for the series, and Robb and Catelyn don't feature in it, so... pretty sure it was always planned, especially when there's a historical counterpart.

>he wanted to do a trilogy at the start
>instead of writing the best fantasy trilogy ever he chose to do this
>he's now saying he might need 8 books to finish

End me.

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>>9566603

No, it wasn't. Brienne isn't anywhere close to Winterfell. She's off delivering Jaime to undead Catelyn. I don't even get why Martin would be pissed off about supposed "spoilers." The books are completely different. Not just in what happens, but in the amount of characters that don't appear in the show.

>>9564828
Yeah, that was obvious like 2 years ago. I like watching people get sad on Reddit about it, which is rather pathetic of me.

Last 2 books sucked dick anyways.

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>>9567860

>talks about an era that never existed on /lit/
>quality reddit spacing
>posting a retarded weeb image on a literature board


You stupid little nigger. You probably aren't even over 20. Sort yourself out.

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>>9564899
Funny. Nice one.

>>9564828
I was enjoying the first book but one day I just couldn't be assed to keep reading it. It's always funny to see people memeing about how that fatso is going to choke on his own chin before finishing the story tho.

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>>9565020
That's what my wife tells me.

>>9567860
this post would have looked so much better as a wall of text... why did you have to go and format it?

>>9567919
>People who unironically like ASoIaF ITT
Get the fuck out of /lit/. You don't seem to realize how /lit/ used to be great, before beasts like you ruined it. Now the mods side with the mediocre, with the rabble, with you; they will ban anyone telling your kind to get the fuck out. They helped make this place more like reddit; and it just keeps getting worse, as reddit users come, and just see the garbage, the retarded shit, the dumb sci-fi, fantasy, pleb threads, and go "woah this board is actually quite like reddit but with another template," so we have to deal with them, and they start to form sort of gangs, and will side against anything rare or noble to further wallow in their mediocrity like an animal in its shit. Most of them must be fat fucks, gamers and losers. Some of them can be reared into respectable people, but they must encounter anons with unfathomable arrogance backed up by true knowledge of the subject matter. The good ones will feel terrible about themselves, and will remake themselves. They will read the good books, they will despise their former selves, and attempt to create a new personality, bringing about their maturity. The others are just too low-blood to make it, probably the descendants of products of incest or the sludge of some peasant caste in a past age, the kind with big foreheads and squinted faces, who hunker through the streets and yell at anyone they deem "tryhard" or "hipster," words true for some but used falsely by them against anything or anyone remotely Olympian. These must be simply embarrassed with ad hominems, doxes, literary gang rape and dunce caps until they get the fuck out for good. That's all they can understand, so we speak their language. Since we stopped doing this like we used to, the board now lacks the atmosphere of an old e/lit/e french salon fused with the violent Greek ἀγών which it once possessed. We don't have experts to come in and shit on newplebs, tell them to go back to reading catcher in the rye: we've let people who fap off to DFW actually have threads and not shame them out of here, and the American election has made everyone care about petty politics more than the canon, so you get effete antifa wannabees and braindead alt-right meme-spouters bickering about who is more sophisticated when neither of them read anything written prior to the nineteenth century. If we want the board to be good we have to shit on people all the time and cultivate a culture of elitism again. In order to achieve this, we must make the reddit users feel not welcome, and ruin their chances at an actual discussion of whatever their mediocrity brought them to enjoy. They must lose all incentive to come here. This incentive is fundamentally that they find a platform which allows to partake in such discussion. This platform must be destroyed; we must insult, humiliate and harass them until they can no longer find any pleasure in coming here.

>>9567860

Can you provide a single reason as to why you don't like ASoIaF? And I don't mean the gender fiction meme.

>>9564840
>Martin
>the "A Feast of Crows" writer
>"The Winds of Winter" author
My god, who wrote this shit

>>9567718
[xaxa], amigo.

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>>9567860
At first I was:
>lol this guy lost it
Then:
>wait a second... I knew old /lit/... I was in the click! I know what gif books are! I was part of short story roulete! I want it all back! Vive la révolution! Vive le old /lit/!

You have my sword friendly anon! Time for uprising is now!

>>9567860

/lit/ was never great

>>9564946
Burmese pet trading site

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>>9564828

tfw read the books back in 2011-12 as a 16 year old, had a blast and genuinely looked forward to winds of winter but now it's been like 6 years and I barely remember a thing of what happened in the previous ones, I can't stand fantasy at all and I won't be able to appreciate the new book(s) even if they are eventually finished

>>9567860
i support this post

>>9567787
That's better for his posthumous reputation at this point.

>>9565235
That's MR president pussygrabber, to you mate

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>>9568157
this is legit sad

>>9568157

>he hasn't started reading asoiaf in the 90s or followed hunter x hunter or bersek

get a load of this guy pitying himself

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>>9568307
>hunter x hunter
end my fucking suffering

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>>9568312

Martin
Miura
Togashi

>>9568379
>my favorite mangaka keeps getting face cancer and can't write anymore.
>books keep getting discontinued
>only scanlation of most of her works are shitty knock off scanlations
>out of order and missing pages
>so poorly translated as to be completely unreadable

this:
>>9568312

>>9568396

>face cancer

wtf who is it

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>>9567718
It's pronounced the same way as Jar Jar, but without the r's

>>9568437
Kazuya Minekura. She's had a couple surgeries and had to go on hiatus multiple times. She wrote Saiyuki, which I recommend.

>>9566615
>>>9566579
>Fantasy political intrigue turned into 'muh good versus evil' featuring everybody's favorite Mary Sue, Jon Snow

The first 3 seasons were decent in that they kept the spirit of the books' ambiguous morality alive, but after that it seems like the show writers just devolved into filming their special little GoT fan fic.

>>9568469

That's sad. I wouldn't wish something like that on my worst enemy.

>>9568486
yeah, it's pretty bummer

>>9564886
>he wanted to be the next Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter
And he made it.

>>9565119
Not even close, you missed the part of the five spin offs, not to mention the revival of Star Wars, netflix and the countless upocoming capeshit sequels .

>>9565119
>>9568507

not to mention that the new mummy movie with tom cruise is the beginning of a monster universe that will tie all the iconic monsters together. frankensteins monster, dracula, jekyl and hide, ect. time to turn into that guy that only watches indie movie

>>9568552
Time for a 21st century Don Quixote

>>9568507
>>9568552
>>9568561

>all this bullshit is coming out
>there's still no good cthulhu mythos movie except 'dagon'

WHY?

>>9568575
i think its cause lovecrafts stuff is difficult to translate to the screen. they should really make it into a mini series. a movie would severely limit what they could do.

>>9567928
TL;DR

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>>9567931
'Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser that the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water.'

Genre fiction being terrible isn't just a meme. If you haven't figured out why yet, actually return the fuck back to plebbit.


>>9567860
This is a good post.The hordes of newfags disagreeing with this post just goes to show how far this board has actually fallen. Most everyone in this thread would be ridiculed to hell and back for posting even just before the chart flood.

>>9568561
Oh, man, that might actually be great. Instead of a Spanish nobleman going around thinking he's a knight in courtly stories filled with magic and monsters, you'd have some delusional upper-middle-class autist going around thinking he was hanging out in various famous sci-fi and fantasy movies and TV shows, and reacting to the world accordingly.

And of course it ends the same way, with him dying somewhat pathetically in his bed but also managing to acquire a modicum of self-knowledge.

>>9565291
>>9568082
I think it's one of those bots.

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>>9564828
What the fuck is this

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/6d1m5r/no_spoilers_ive_read_a_lot_of_other_great_fantasy/

>>9568970
>Blood Meridian
>The Inferno (of course not the full Comedy)
>fantasy

What the FUCK, what the fuck?

>>9567860
>Reddit spacing
Go back

>>9569011
I think he's trying to trick plebs into reading good literature.

>>9568970
>epic poems are fantasy to reddit
So this is the power of reddit

>>9568970
He read Master and Margarita as well
He's doing the Lord's work, trying to give good literature to the unwashed genre fiction masses

>>9568970
>a nightmare that is wholly American
>I reread with ritualistic engagement
sounds like Bloom.

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>>9568773

Amazing, your (((argument))) is posting a line that can be found in Martin/Tolkien comparison images that originated on /lit/ nearly a decade ago. Come back when you've read the series and have arguments that aren't memes.

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>>9569049
>Bloom went undercover to Reddit in a last ditch attempt to spread classic literature to genrefags

>>9569059
>that originated on /lit/ nearly a decade ago
it's from the latest ASoIaF book lol

>>9568970

>any kind of list
>blood meridian not #1

Absolutely disgusting.

>>9569071
>Top 10 list of shittiests novels ever shat out
you are right

>>9569066

Maybe, but the comparison images have been around for a while, and they're choke-full of all sorts of quotations like that. Again, make an argument, and stop using memes (which, mind you, were first put out by the ASoIaF fanbase).

>>9569080
You misunderstood me. Those images did use that quotation, from the latest ASoIaF novel. Ten years ago.

>>9569085

Are you trying to tell me that they're from the novel and not written by us? Well, that's obvious. There's a bunch of selected quotes from the series like that one, and many that read even worse. I honestly don't get what pleasure you people have to shit on a series you've never even bothered to go through. I understand it if we do it: we're abused housewives. But you realize that pointing to a few retarded paragraphs in a work that spans thousands of pages, by an author that isn't even renowned for his prose (((style))) me to use in any way, is petty, pointless, and uninspired? You would have to be either delusional or disingenuous to think that any ASoIaF fans love the work for Martin's way with words.

>>9569120
My God you retard I'm just talking about how fucking long it's been since the last book came out.

>>9567908
>>9567919
what is reddit spacing, paragraphs?!

>>9569126

But Dance of Dragons came out in 2011.

>>9569140
Yes. They're just saying it to trigger him because he's so against Reddit. (it's pasta)

>>9569140

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>paragraphs

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>quality reddit spacing

>>9567860
Brother, you are fighting an uphill battle. 4chan's last nail in the coffin was Trump's election win. After this started a massive influx of insecure young men who call themselves 'the alt right' and heard about 4chan on the news or on Twitter. This new movement appropiated long cherised 4chan memes like Pepe or Feel Guy for their fascist ideology. This new movement is a group of people who for the first time in 4chan history take this website seriously and post unironically. My 15 year old brother literally let me listen to fucking VAPORWAVE yesterday, asking if I know this 'meme'. Look at Twitter, look at Facebook, it's infested with stuff that once was part of 4chan's unique culture. Even journalists and self-appointed 'thinkers' adopt 4chan slang on social media (see that god awful VICE journalist Aris Roussinos, who tweets every day in a green texting manner (GREEN TEXTING IS NOT EVEN FOOKING POSSIBLE OUTSIDE THIS WEBSITE)). 4chan seized to be a niche website for creative and troubled people. It is in a process of transforming to some right wing forum, social media stuff. moot saw this coming and bailed. Now we have 4chan premium passes and shit. Fuck this website. It's dead.

>>9569159
"no"

I don't remember Genesis era /lit/ (something like 08?) -, but around 2012 it was big into Asian literature. Most Western literature was pleb. The only nono-Jpanese/Chinese writer who was really loved here was Calvino. We truly loved him and had him above Joyce, Shakespeare etc. What happened to him? Then we lovewd Nabakov for a week, then he was pleb. I came back a few years later and its a lot better, even with the /pol/ trolls etc

>>9569159
what do you mean desu?

>>9569177
I think it means paragraphs. I didnt know 4chan was anti paragraph either m8.

>>9569161

I can't even tell if this is ironic or what. If it's serious, then you're a fucking retard. The real 4chan was gone a long time ago, when we started flooding in in '09 with Boxxy memes and all that other bullshit. Summerfags and board-raiding has always been a thing, and if you don't know that, then you're a moron, pure and simple.

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>>9569161
>see that god awful VICE journalist Aris Roussinos, who tweets every day in a green texting manner

>>9569187
what the fuck

>>9569156
ah thanks

>>9569185
Shut the fuck up retard. Even two years ago shit like this >>9569187 wouldnt be possible.

>>9569161
>moot saw this coming and bailed.

actually traffic was on a steady decline under moot's leadership which is why he bailed, the jap managed to get traffic growing again, but at the cost of watering down the community with normies, and mostly republican normies at that, place is just becoming rightwing tumblr, sad

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>haha if I would speak in 4chan slang, that would make me a more cooler journalist XD

>>9569170

Only people that are new here think /lit/ was once some fucking special snowflake reader's club. Most of the people on /lit/ are right around 20, and they're all just memeing about whatever author that one professor told them is good. They have no fucking clue what they're talking about. There's a few either literate people or members of the oldguard on here, and you can see them making useful and informative posts on philosophy/theology threads.

>>9569161
Shit, you're on some drugs or something. Trump would always be the choice for 4chan. Anon is never for what is right, he was the driving force for Nigger in the House, and he was for Trump in the House, he cares shit about politics.

>>9569187
being a Vice 'journalist' is slightly more prestigious than being a /mlp/ poster

>>9569194

No, you're just stupid. Not only was it possible, but it's been happening since the beginning of time. People have been greentexting on YouTube, Facebook, and even Reddit for the longest time. You think one guy posting on Twitter is new? Are you this fucking brain-damaged? I even remember reading EVE bios in 2010 that were faux greentext.

>>9569207
dude went to Aleppo when it was sieged and made some pretty good docs

>>9569204
the "old guard" people are even more annoying, if you're over 25 and still a true believer in marxism you need to fucking grow up, marx had some insights, but come on, no one wanna read some 500 word post about dialectical materialism or some shit, it's not quality content just because it's longwinded bunk no one cares about

>>9569212
Yes but the green text would still be niche, basically anons who have accounts elsewhere. Now we have mainstream journalists doing this shit. Fuck off.

>>9569215
so he's a cia asset trying to appear "hip" and "youthful", got it

>>9569205
>Anon is never for what is right,
The alt right fight what they call 'a culture war', by seeing their side as the 'good side'. Of course Trump would be 4chan's choice. /pol/ has been here for years. I dont see your point

>>9569185
>>9569205
fuck off newfags, you're not fooling anyone

>>9569241

Why would I be trying to fool anyone?

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>>9569204
You're wrong. I'm /sp/artan that got on the train when /lit/ came around. It was genuinely pleasant place. We'd be sharing embedded ebooks, when they were still hard to come by, and fooled around with putting Tao to bed. But it was very slow, and very low on traffic. You had to samefag like crazy on certain topics to get a conversation started. I'm certain I was in a topic were I and another anon played at least two parts each.

Charts, trolling, what you read, and grrm are mainstay, as is meme trilogy.

Some mementos for all the youngfags to see what they missed:

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>>9569299

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>>9569305
Not the oldest trove, I may have lost that one.

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>>9569313

>>9569203
Let's not pretend it's unlikely he's an actual anon. People are really fucking normie on certain boards.

>>9569205
Man, the 4chan you're talking about died years ago. /pol/ was successfully infiltrated by Stormies.

>>9564828
Lazy fatass. Talk about being a cunt to all your fans.

>>9569203
>>9569187
Please stop. This made me die a little on the inside.

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>>9569350
You're wrong snowflake. It's still the same.

Oh, and I forgot about the homework anons. We were full with them.

>>9569469
>It's still the same.
I honestly don't know how you can think the edgy libertarians of old /pol/ are the same as modern alt-right /pol/acks.

>>9568500
Give big George a break........
Its hard work being a fat CUNT

>>9569661
Dude, you're 20, no need to hide it. If you were older, you'd see that shit that went here was far, far worse than some lame politics. And trust me on this, you're better for it, some things aren't meant to be seen.

>>9567931
>the writing is legitimate trash
>the story has no direction
>the characters have only the illusion of depth
>he kills of characters so he won't have to tie stories up
>not that he has to start wrapping things up he can't
>predictable
>cliff hangers everywhere
>not one section made me say Wow this is beautiful
>fat fuck
>pulpy trash
>genre fiction
GTFO

>>9569878
That's literally the exact opposite of your current argument.

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>>9565486
>he doesn't read attack on titan

>>9567078
>Wolfe could do it.

The Book of the New Sun just kind of ended and the he wrote a weird pseudosequel. Wolfe is great prose but as far as mythmaking goes Severian's tale was not a good arc or ending.

>>9565599
he absolutely LOVES black braods, he really can't get enough of their fat asses. Since he got all his money he cant write anymore, because he just has his fat face buried in fat black ass, all day long. He posted something along these lines on twitter.

>>9570552
I think when I wrote that I ultimately meant "Wolfe could successfully conclude A Song of Ice and Fire." I'm aware that BOTNS is kind of weird and we don't know the answer to every question it raises by the end. That's by design, though, and Wolfe has other books where he ties up everything pretty neatly.

>>9568484
What Game of Thrones series have YOU watched? Daenerys is so fucking obviously Mary Sue.

>>9564999
What a waste of trips. Go back to r/the_donald asap

I just started reading A Game of Thrones. Is there even any reason to continue for fucks sake

>>9564899
>not dying quietly
>living the literary lifestyle

pick one, senpai

>>9571308
Absolutely. There are five good books to enjoy, even if it is never finished.

>>9569469
roll

>>9567116
>i want to play with my bubblemaker
>my feet hurt
>tfw no underage pussy
>why do they keep talking about contracts and obligations
>tfw no one understands my writing
>tfw to intelligent to end my series
>why do i have a swimming pool when my greatest crippling fear is being seen outside without a shirt on
>i want to go home

>>9571643
>good books to enjoy
Woah, let's not go that far. You could perhaps enjoy them, though.

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>>9564999
Checked

>>9569322
more old lit please

>>9569184
>anti-paragraph
it's not anti paragraph, this is how a normal 4chan post looks, you nigger

>>9569184

>anti-paragraph

This is what a plebbit-spaced funpost looks like, friend :)

>>9564899
That might hold some water if he wasn't clearly fucking miserable. The guy enjoys football more than he does writing, he could've done everything he's doing now on a writer's salary.

>>9565119
all culture will be nerd culture soon. nerd fandom is insanely profitable. get ready for fastfood chains to have their own cinematic universes with wikis full of lore.

>>9567860
newfag detected

ASOIAF was talked about here before it was a show. You're forgetting how good those first 3 books are.

I honestly just don't care anymore if it comes out. I cared a whole hell of a lot a few years ago but his slow ass writing and how piss poor the TV show is has killed any desire in me to see the series concluded.

>>9566615
It's inconsistent with what came before it, but them taking forever to get anywhere was one of the shittiest parts of the books.

>>9568575
We're getting a Lovecraft Country adaptation which will be directed by Jordan Peele...

>>9567901
He meant the burning shireen part
Which d&d specifically said george told them

>>9569076
That contrarianism just did a 360 and ate itself
Congrats m8,4d b8

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>>9569120
>Isn't renowned for his prose style
>fans don't like him for his way with words

You've revealed the precise problem. A good authour has a way with words. He doesn't. Therefore, he's not a good authour.

>b-b-but muh world building!Muh politics! Muh intrigue!

World building is quantity of writing, not quality, which he is too lazy to even keep up with.

Every political "faction" is nearly identical. If theyre not identical, theyre stereotypical and one dimensional, "muh honor ", "muh money", we wuz mongols n shieet.

Character development is a farce. You never learn how the characters "grow", only "what happens to them". This is because they are stale templates who have the same kind of one dimensional beliefs as the factions. Characters are often written into a hole (in the ground).

Furthermore, this fat lazy fuck has stopped writing because the plot got spoiled. Absolutely pathetic. He knows his entire series hangs not on good writing, prose, or even good plot development , but simply on withholding information from an audience marketed to have emotional investment in his pulp-tier fiction.

I hope he dies of a heart attack, and soon.

>>9564899
>Red lobster in deleware.

Nigger you made me laugh.

>>9570538
No one reads attack on titan except the high school sophomores who have toxic poisoning from all that head to toe grey body paint while cosplaying a fucking homestuck character.

>>9573984
He said "good."

Brienne of Tarth is running around in the TV series,but [she gets killed off in the book by a Fire enchanted Catyln Stark,but the "one word" Brienne screams before they hang her could have saved her and Podrick Payne if GRRM wanted it]. So many contradictory plots may have made writing the book impossible. Which version is Canon at this point?

>>9574239
Sorry I didn't figure out the spoiler tag...

>>9574239
She blatantly doesn't die.
>>9574249
ctrl + s you fucking kike

>>9564999
disappointing

GRRM is my hero I hope he comes back.

Who gives a shit
This terrible fiction is clogging the cultural arteries like a fucking baconator
Can this hack just die please

>>9564828
"It's taking so long to finish my book, that the show has overtaken the books and is spoiling things. Therefore I will take EVEN LONGER." What fucking moon of Saturn does this thought process make sense on?

>>9568970
How to write in cliches.

>>9569469
whorehouse

Boy am I glad I didn't finish the first book out of boredom. I could feel the plot was going to drag on forever. Don't need that kind of shit.

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>>9574239
She doesn't die. Jaime sees her after that scene you are talking about. She tells him to come alone, claiming she's taking him to the Hound. What contradictory plots are you speaking of? I'd be happy to try and unconfuse you, I have a really good memory.
I quit watching the show in the second or third season because I was getting frustrated by the changes from the books.
Lots of hate for George and "genre fiction" ITT. Isn't all fiction genre? You guys who hate "genre fiction" - do you hate ALL fantasy/scifi/cyberpunk, etc? What about mystery? Technothriller? Western? Apocalyptic?
Man, I feel sorry for you.

>>9564839
Absolutely, and people who say otherwise are delusional.

The show is all about showing not telling, and they do a fantastic job of compressing the major plot elements down to create a better paced narrative that manages to balance tension and character building.

The books, on the other hand, are incredibly deep and detailed, but they have no sense of momentum, at least not for the last 3. They've become so bloated by their own scale, and George's desire to fit EVERYTHING on page, that they feel overwhelmed by the details at expense of the plot.

The show has had some really notable misses in its adaptions, the Dorne storyline, and having Dany fuck about for 3 seasons while Westeros is infinitely more interesting, but for the most part it's become a far better way to tell the ASOIAF story than the books

>>9564828
Meh, the series is shit anyways

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>>9575937
I am delusional, evidently, because the overwhelming detail you mention is exactly why I love the series. The huge scope and interweaving storylines, the insane butterfly effects...it's what turned me on to begin with. You like the way things are condensed in the show, and I despise that. And you mentioned some things they missed, but there are a hundred more.

>>9564828
He's a fat lazy fuck. Oh well, I would do the same I guess because I'm a hack.

>>9568561
Terry Gilliam is making kind of a Don Quixote film finally.

>>9564839
show might be better but last season was garbage.

>>9575921
half the people that say they hate genre fic are trying to get a reaction. The other half don't even read.

>>9564999
MEDIOCRE ANON

>>9575921
>You guys who hate "genre fiction" - do you hate ALL fantasy/scifi/cyberpunk, etc?
No. Genre fiction refers to works which rely upon the stock tropes and archetypes of their genre, never stepping out of it. It's thoughtless writing. Think WoW books, or many Conan the Barbarian stories.
>>9568925
>but also managing to acquire a modicum of self-knowledge
Worst misreading.

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>>9575921

>You guys who hate "genre fiction" - do you hate ALL fantasy/scifi/cyberpunk, etc? What about mystery? Technothriller? Western? Apocalyptic?

I don't hate the 1% of genre fiction that is actually good.

>>9577080
Sure, but that's no worse a ratio than any of the old genres. Like chivalric romance, or pastoral romance -- Don Quixote's great, but a lot of the books it shits on weren't.

>>9570552
>Severian's tale was not a good arc or ending
You're right, it was an incredible arc and ending. If you can't appreciate an accelerating conclusion you are a pleb among plebs. Reading the ending to Book of the New Sun is like being strapped into one of those G-force machines at NASA. The raw majesty of the prose and thematic depth contained within those pages contains enough force to violently blow your hair back, push your eyes to the back of your skull and cause readers of weaker constitutions to bleed from their pores.

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>>9577080
>The Fifth Head of Cerberus
Fellow Wolfeman of taste!

>>9564839
I watched the first 7 episodes of season one and I regretted every moment of it. The show isn't good.

The best thing on television at the moment is re-runs of Seinfeld

>>9577257
wrong

there is nothing good on tv and there never has been except for saturday morning cartoons

>>9577275
You're a disgusting example of a human. I bet you think it's acceptable to let breakfast cereal dribble down your chin in the afternoon.

>>9577665
obviously

>>9577275
Star Trek: The Original Series is was pretty damn good.

>>9575921
>>9575921 #
What I remember of the death of Brienne is [ she is found by Undead Catlyn with a Lannister sword,and is considered to be a traitor,and hung along with Podrick Payne, Tyrion's squire,and a third found companion,and as she's being hoisted up,she screams a name.And the only name that would save them is the priest she explained her mission to find Arya to,who knows her sincere commitment to the cause ] .

>>9575921
You were frustrated by changes from the book so you stopped watching? That's really silly anon

>>9564835
why can't they just let it die?

>>9577861
Catelyn gave her a choice. Sword or noose.
Sword meant kill Jaime/lead him to his death, essentially. Noose was be hanged.
She screamed a 'word', not a 'name'. That word was evidently 'sword'.
Later on, in a Jaime chapter, after he settles the Bracken/Blackwood siege, Brienne shows up, claiming that she found the Stark girl, and that he must "come alone, or the Hound will kill her." Also, Cersei hears by raven that Jaime has gone off alone with some woman.

>>9578005
Well, the little changes didn't bother me. It was the big ones. Plus I thought some of the casting was god-awful (not as bad as the HP movies, though).
I may give it another try someday, especially if he never publishes the final 2-3.