Habermas - Theory of Communicative Action

is he as much of a pessimistic twat like Marcuse or Adorno?

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>>9474302
habermass, (from the Middle High German halber Marx; cf. ganzer Marx) n. A religious ceremony designed to engender an illusion of understanding through chants describing socio-economic conditions. Hence also, habermass, v. "He habermassed Einstein; he attempted to deduce the special theory of relativity from the social structure of the Bern patent office." "Nothing but a gadam habermass" - H. S. Truman.

Also, you're an idiot

I see Habermas mentioned in passing by French philosophers sometimes, but I don't think I've ever seen a post here dive into his theories.

What would you say to make people interested in his work? What are his most compelling ideas and viewpoints?

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>>9474324
Just a name to drop.

Or

Djruspt uh nm t'drmp.

But in all seriousness, there's nothing. The public sphere oooooh ahhhh communication oooh wow if only there was cybernetics or something that covered it w/o all the bullshit.

Really makes you think.

>>9474308

No, I don't think so. His project seems by-definition to be more optimistic.

>>9474324

Over-simplifying on purpose, Habermas had exchanges with Derrida and Foucault where the latter each(?) said something like "u can't know nuffin" and then Habermas said something more like "yuh huh you can too know sumfin". Or maybe that's what the second-hand accounts amounted to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Habermas#Habermas_and_Derrida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%E2%80%93Habermas_debate

These exchanges seem to be how people who know the other two memes become aware of this third meme.

The only Habermas I've read is the first few pages of Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere, which I want to read before TCA, among other things. Basically within a few pages and skimming the rest, it's already clear that Habermas likes to spend

I don't know every last detail of what's in TCA, but it's something I've been aware of for years and now I'm gearing up to reading it. It would be nice to have company, which is my main conceit.

Habermas does base his stuff in a specific reason, cites things very thorougly, and is really quite /lit/. And you get name-droppings from continentals and Europeans like Marx, the rest of the Frankfurt school, and so on, and you also get to upset /pol/ interlopers and pseuds by actually engaging with a text and using /lit/ for what it was intended for.

If Hegel is the final boss, than Habermas is some optional weird super-final boss which isn't necessary to beat the game but still fun to figure out. Or so I'd hope.

>>9474302

I saw this book in the lost and found of my cafeteria. Maybe I'll steal it.

>>9474409

*likes to spend time on the european tradition. Like Marx, Habermas spends time referring to the feudal-early modern period by way of explaining how and why things are the way they are "today" (fifty years ago).

>>9474409
>quite /lit/
Can you prove this?

>than
wew

>final boss
Because he's a poor communicator of non-ideas?

>>9474302
Habermas is basically a marxist larping as pragmatist centrist intellectual. He uses mainly the Saul Alinsky tactic of making the enemy living up to his and many other standards, while only partly living up to those standards himself, because his standards are included in the premises, which can't be talked about. He accuses "other" right leaning centrists and slightly right leaning conservatives of far right ideas and by this shifting the public further to the left. Basically his ideas are rational, the idas of opponents aren't, people who believe the same are responsible, people who believe something else aren't and be greatful within this premises we can have an non-hierarchical discurse (herrschaftsfreien Diskurs).

>>9475288
Pretty much this.

Out of all the great German philosophers, you're choosing the one with the least to say.