Can I just skip the Pre-Socratics?

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>>9459702
You can safely skip or skim many philosophers

Here's a good overview in podcast from
https://historyofphilosophy.net/

>>9459702
Sure, if you want a dangerously incomplete knowledge of all other philosophy.

Yes absolutely. They're fun and a general overview is useful but most of them (with some exceptions like Heraclitus) are just historical points of curiosity.

>Hurr durr, everything is made of water
>Hurr durr, everything is made of dark matter
>Hurr durr, everything is made of air
>Remember to never, ever eat beans, or you will be reborn as an animal
>Sorry, this Philosophical Argument™ is locked at this time. Would you like to buy it for only 10 drachma?

Yeah man these Pre-Socratics are really useful.

>>9460306
but all of philosophy has shit like that strewn throughout.

>>9460306
Add to this
>hurr durr, everything is constantly moving
and you've covered them all.

>>9459702
Dude there's barely any fragments left, it's a quick read. That said, you get most of what's valuable in the Presocratics in Plato and Aristotle, so eh.

Democritus and Zeno are fun, but almost everything is fucking trash. They do help establish the early philosophical pursuits (ontology, teleogy, etc) but they're eclipsed by modern science (even Zeno's Paradoxes are largely made irrelevant)

>>9460389
>To have no time for philosophy is to be a true philosopher.

get a job

Just look up a brief summary of Thales, Heraclitus, Parmenides

>>9459702
yes, although their conceptions of the natural world are useful as context to Timaeus etc.

>>9459702
REMOVE YOURSELF FROM SOCIETY AND FORMULATE YOUR OWN PHILOSOPHY
ONLY THROUGH THIS MAY YOU ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENING

>>9460667
this guy gets it

>>9460521
This is correct though

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>>9459702
To be honest, you shouldnt skip them if you really want to understand Plato. If you just want to read plato and not study plato then just skip them but that is pretty stupid.

Just watch alot of videos and podcast episodes on them and take notes and ask yourself the question.. ''How can a bunce of babarian dumbfucks actually make the seeds of western civilisation? Socrates and Plato marked the begin of western civilisation but what intellectual enviorment created them? The pre-socratics (and offcourse homer in relation to mythos and culture) will grand you the awnsers you need to UNDERSTAND Socrates and Plato and why they just didnt randomely pop up.

Check these links.
Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyY5yPQY94t8h22Vzftqdhw
https://youtu.be/Yat0ZKduW18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMAx04jDx0&list=PLAYxecbGotUzdE4F5IMBgxN2o-biiRjGi
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh613185XS3ttEUA8UYnPuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvbAqPtqJpI&list=PLt-V3sIWnxMvlNfhG4g_5PouyEF8LbdJ_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qADHLAbUE&list=PLEHBbj8NPA2yDV6RcdCy_qN_T1aQX-CAy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0fK0ZuAcbU&list=PL6BE82595ACD1864A

Podcasts:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl
https://historyofphilosophy.net/the-presocratics

>>9461636
>How can a bunce of babarian dumbfucks actually make the seeds of western civilisation?

Is there some kind of answer for this question though?

>>9461794
The awnser is found in the pre-socratics.

>>9460545
But Democritus and Zeno were both right

>>9460521
>Everything is constantly moving
No, he stated that everything is in constant flux. There's a huge difference--even in meme form it doesn't capture the essence of his argument enough to be good.

>>9461799
The presocratics are basically Egyptian myths 2: electric boogaloo though. Why didn't the egiptians develop such a deep philosophical system while the greeks had such great success? Was it all thanks to Heraclitus?

>>9460541
This. But even if the Presocratic canon was larger, I still wouldn't skip Gorgias.

The amount of stupidity in this thread is off the charts. This place is dumber than /pol/.

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>>9460306
>skipping Heraclitus
>skipping Parmenides
>skipping Zeno
>skipping Democritus and Leucippus
>skipping Empedocles

>>9460306
You can dilute literally any philosopher into one stupid sounding meme sentence, though.
>Hurr durr, I should be in charge because my soul understands philosophy
>Hurr durr, just be a good person

>>9462259
There's a reason they're referred to as the pre-Socratics.

Its because they are irrelevant trash and only good for scholarly dick-measuring points.

>>9462259
What a fucking stupid baseless quote

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>>9459721

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>>9462289

>>9461803
Zeno was wrong (no way he could have predicted indivisible essential particles or Planck time though) and Democritus was just flingin shit against the wall to see what stuck. His actual particle theory is marred with dumb bullshit rules he pulled out of nowhere, only the most simplistic outline of his model could be considered predictive.

Greeks were really bad at observational science, as Aristotle would later codify.

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>>9462345
>Greeks were really bad at observational science
qft

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>>9462293
He was calling people lazy and prideful and you immediately took the b8, fucking americlap.