Why isn't this mandatory in history class?

>>9436428
well, the meme answer is that it's lies and propaganda.
my suspected answer is that it would go against liberal socialist and communist ideals, and would make indoctrination difficult.

because it's factually wrong.

>>9436477
as if that's stopped books from being read in high school before

>>9436666
Nice on both accounts

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>>9436477

This book is factually wrong but it's still a very common assigned reading.

>inb4 someone says I'm a holocaust denier

That's not what I mean, look it up.

>>9436428
>>9436428
>Why isn't this mandatory in history class?

It is actually mandatory reading in russian high schools.

>>9436681
A lot of Anti-Russia and Anti-Soviet material is weirdly mandatory reading reading in Russia.

>>9436477
It's considerably less factually wrong than >>9436676 which is routinely assigned in schools as an educational book about The Six Million.

>>9436704
>the six million
It's ten million now, you nazi scum.

>>9436477
And Siddhartha is used to teach about Buddhism.

>>9436676

oy vey anudda shoah

but seriously ivan denisovytch is better

>>9436676
>This book is factually wrong
does anyone actually think the book was 100% factual and not subject to certain literary liberties though?

>>9436701
>weirdly
>wtf why do germans spend so much time learning about hitler?
>wtf why do americans spend so much time learning about us slavery?
>wtf why do russians spend so much time learning about soviet russia?

>>9436464
>liberal socialist and communist ideals
Huh?

>>9436428
What kind of pathetic avantgarde imitation is on that cover?

>>9436781
Joke's on you, we don't learn anything.

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Why hasn't this been translated?

>>9437185
Can you translate that cover?

>>9437194
200 years together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

Along with the collection of obsolete words and phrases that would be nice to bring back, not his best work.

Because Silzhenitsyn was a pathetic snitch who made up half the shit in the book? The writing is horrible too, he is only praised in West for being a """dissident"""

>>9437286
Fuck off commie scum. Go back to your containment board on Reddit.

>>9437293
Take your pills, autist

>>9436428
Cause he called America out on some touchy issues, thought Jews were a pile of ___, and was therefore clearly mentally unbalanced.

>>9437286
what did he exactly made up?

>>9437370
All of the bad stuff about communism.

>>9437383
Oh really? How could that be?
I mean, certainly gulags weren't a thing

>>9437387
they weren't what you think they were

>>9437383
Can you back that up with some juicy facts

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>>9436428

Is it anti commie? Because if it's anti commie then it's capitalist propaganda.

But I did hear that the author blames the whole thing on jews who ran the entire system.

>>9437406
I guess I'm mistaken about political prisions/work camps then

>>9437454
>if it's anti commie then it's capitalist propaganda
that's a very narrow way to put things
and it also shut down any legitimate critique of communism, which sounds pretty defensive

>>9437454
>anything I don't like is save to ignore

Don't read this ideological babble. Read some recent histories of the Soviet Union. Ignore neocons, cold warriors and antisemites like Applebaum and Solzhenitsyn. Orlando Figes has a good history of the whole picture.

We're all Communists here OP.

>>9436781
Majority of Germans isn't proud of their nazi time.
General consensus in America is that slavery was inhumane
Putin is proud of the soviet time and would want to expand the nation again.
There's a difference there.

Is it pleb to read The Gulag Arpeggio in its abridged form?

>>9436773

It's listed in the history section of amazon rather than the fiction section. On that same website it's described as a "memoir." Considering how easily misled the average person is, there are probably hundreds of thousands of Night readers who are unaware of any narrative varnishing. I mean these are the same kind of people who made Guns Germs and Steel a bestseller.

Truth+Fiction = Fiction

>>9436428
what the fuck is up with that cover? absolutely disgusting desu

>>9437782
It's obviously based on Russian Suprematist art

>>9436781
Gulag archipelago only recently became mandatory Russian lit, in 2009. A couple decades late.

Germans are notorious for banning anything that doesn't lambaste Nazi Germany. Movies, games, music and books. It's odd to me that the government doesn't seem to have the wherewithal to stop banning forms of expression, since that's what got them into WW2.

>>9436701
Solzhenitsyn was a Nationalist

Because it places Jews in the role of the oppressor instead of the victim. Any literature or work that doesn't portray Jews as innocent victims who dindu nuffin is prevented from becoming prevelant in Western society.

I want commies to leave blz

>muh soviet union dindu nuffin!
>dprk isn't shit that's just western propoganda
>The cultural revolution was justified

Honestly what the fuck is wrong with these people

>>9437834
Uneducated anon that wasn't REAL communism. If real communism was put into place we could all live in a post scarcity utopia!

/s

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>>9437834
Mad, isn't it?

>>9437785
It's shit that is based on a complete lack of talent.

>>9437406
They were resorts, had pools and cinemas. What's the Gomie equivalent of „Theresienstadt” documentary?

can someone please tell me what these "gulag lies" were?

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>>9437955
It wasn't that depressing and black and white. For example, people were allowed to sing happy songs and play musical instruments.

seems pretty sad to me that people can ignore reality just because ideology is so strong

>>9437987
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2UEYIUIZbA

>>9436428
>Natalya Reshetovskaya, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's first wife, wrote in her memoirs that "The Gulag Archipelago" was based on "campfire folklore" as opposed to objective facts. She wrote that she was perplexed that the Western media had accepted The Gulag Archipelago as "the solemn, ultimate truth", saying its significance had been "overestimated and wrongly appraised". She said her husband did not regard the work as "historical research, or scientific research", and "The Gulag Archipelago" was a collection of "camp folklore", containing "raw material" which her husband was planning to use in his future productions.


WEW
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>>9439120
>best discrediting source is an ex-wife
>wew

Good job not quoting that part where it says she was probably forced to say this shit by the KGB

>>9439137
>probably forced to say this shit by the KGB
>probably
>probably

yeah nah m8

>>9439120
The photographs in the book were also faked.

>back in 1980 soviet russia

>>9439153
yeah yes m8

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>>9436464
>liberal socialist and communist ideals

>>9439161
Prove it then

>>9439166
Prove the ex-wife wasn't bullshitting, baseless accusations aren't proving anything

>>9439173
>baseless
She sucked his dick I would trust her when she says he was talking shit. Pretty based information in my book.

>>9439211
I hope you're joking

>>9437987
>all camps were exactly the same morally

>>9437987
C'mon you guys, slavery wasn't that bad! For instance, the slaves were allowed to sing gospel songs!

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>>9439120
>"FAKE NEWS!" said the ex-wife.
>Ex-wife.

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>>9436773
A great Jewish takedown of this book and Wiesel himself is pic related.

I'm not even close to /pol/, and I couldnt believe how he fucking pushed the holocaust narrative towards reparations and financial gain.

>>9436464
Fuck off, we read Ayn Rand in my high school

>>9441018
does controlled opposition get any more obvious than this?

>>9441030
Considering he condemns the state of Israel, the Israeli estimations of holocaust dead, every holocaust historian except for Arendt and Raul Hilberg, every survivor who gets reparations but wasnt in the camps (he claims the actual camp survivors were around 115,000, but that their third cousins childrens are getting checks from swiss banks), Spielberg, Weisel, the entire New York rabbinical association, the law firms that went after the european banks, and suggests backtracking actual camp deaths to like 500-600k including starvation and not including local militias actions and einsatzgruppen with about 3,000,000 jewish dead total, then yeah, id say you can be alot more obvious.

Not to mention he is roundly condemned and attacked, and allan dershowitz went after his tenure.

>Criticism has been leveled against Finkelstein from several angles. The first sources are responses from those whose work Finkelstein has discussed. Daniel Goldhagen, whose book Hitler's Willing Executioners Finkelstein criticized, claimed his scholarship has "everything to do with his burning political agenda".[78] Alan Dershowitz has written that Peter Novick, Professor of History at the University of Chicago and a noted Holocaust historian whose work Finkelstein says inspired The Holocaust Industry, has strongly criticized the latter's work, describing it as "trash".[79] Similarly, Dershowitz, whose book The Case for Israel and Finkelstein's response Beyond Chutzpah sparked an ongoing feud between the two, has claimed Finkelstein's complicity in a conspiracy against pro-Israel scholars: "The mode of attack is consistent. Chomsky selects the target and directs Finkelstein to probe the writings in minute detail and conclude that the writer didn't actually write the work, that it is plagiarized, that it is a hoax and a fraud," arguing that Finkelstein has leveled charges against many academics, calling at least 10 "distinguished Jews 'hucksters', 'hoaxters' (sic), 'thieves', 'extortionists', and worse."[48] Although the back and forth between Finkelstein and Dershowitz received the most attention and attracted significant controversy, Finkelstein has maintained that "the real issue is Israel's human rights record."[41]

That said it he is a meticulous source checker, and everything I looked at checked out.

>>9436781
Germans don't.

>>9441059

I think they doth protest too much. He obviously struck a nerve for them to go ballistic like that.

>>9436428
it's just a bunch of exaggerated stories about being a prisoner.. not historically accurate, and has an extreme political bias

>>9441278
If it is limited to that, I guess your use of the magic word can be forgiven.
>only

>>9437834
>>muh soviet union dindu nuffin!
true
>>dprk isn't shit that's just western propoganda
mostly true
>>The cultural revolution was justified
true

>>9437185
It's been partially translated in the Solzhenitsyn Reader

>>9437286
Is he not praised in Russia?

>>9436428
It isn't an objective analysis of history?

It's a piece of literature that took creative licenses?

>>9441964
Communists need to just say that the kulaks deserved it and move on

>>9437777
C H E C K E D
they do that for most "historical" fiction

>>9439120

did you forget the part below where it says it was likely a kgb forgery?

>>9436428
>history

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>>9441891
based anon

>>9436428
Whats an unbiased source that points out what's true and what's false about this book

>>9441964
>>9441977
the kulaks did deserve it but the death toll numbers are inflated, and a lot of the information out there is just capitalist propaganda

>>9437370
If you want a real answer, the majority of GA's content is hearsay and it actually requires pretty close reading at times to distinguish between what the author even claims he personally experienced and what others told him.

Because it's a novel.

>>9436701
Sol wasn't against Russia, you cretin, he was against communism

>>9443064

Yes tovarish the numbers are inflated to make glorious regime look of the bad ))))))))))

>>9439154
Stalin faked photos all the time, decades earlier

>>9437834
I honestly ask myself that same question almost daily. Communism is a murderous ideology that killed millions.