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Heraclitus and Socrates

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Hey start with the greeks fags I got a question.

How mutch influence did heraclitus have on socrates and does the conflict of opposites have any relation with dialectics/dialogue?
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>>9430281
How could we even estimate the influence of Heraclitus on Socrates (other than mere speculation), when we don't have any writings of Socrates himself.

At best we have a few indirect sources on the ideas of Socrates. The main source remains Plato, but it is uncertain which ideas are actually Socrates's and which are Plato's. But the influence of Heraclitus on Plato is quite established, as Plato's allegory is a perfect reconciliation of Parmenides with Heraclitus.
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>>9430584
Socrates is nothing but Plato's strawman
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>>9430281
In brief, Western philosophy owes the whole concept of "Logos" to Heraclitus, which he inbtroduces as a link between rational discourse and the world's rational structure.

We have no means to establish the influence of Heraclitus on Socrates himself, his fragments end up being a huge influence on Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics... as well as much later writers such as Hegel, Nietzsche, Heidegger, process philosophy...

Ultimately we can hardly understand anything about Socrates without Heraclitus' influence on Socrates' interpreter.
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