/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>>9421255
ninefox looks like trash
closed and common could be good
obelisk gate and birds in the sky got no idea

honestly its between Death's End and Too Like the Lightning.
Personally altho Death's Head was amazing not sure another book in a trilogy needs to be another Best Novel Winner.

>>9421255
Ninefox and Obelisk Gate are my picks.

>>9421255
>black woman
>white woman
>asian trans man
>white trans woman
>asian man
>white woman

It's like poetry.

>>9421287
>white trans woman

WTF TRAP WAS NOMINATED HUGE?
WHAT DID IT WHROTE?

>>9421287
Damn it. Identity politics and the cancer of rainbow sf. At least one of the white women acknowledges the influence of the great white Wolfe. When your genre was always for sissies and outcasts I guess this was bound to happen.

>>9421311
33 % trans noninations sounds legit given percentage of trans population.

I hope they never realize how many asians there actually are in the world.

>>9421321
1960s
>By 2017 machines thinking they are human will write books
2017
>Men thinking they are women write books

>>9421287
Say what you fucking want /pol/babby but Three Body trilogy got out of China for a fucking reason. Cixin's shit is tight

What hard sci-fi books involve humanity making first contact?

Not UFO/conspiracy stuff, but an actual, ''realistic'' view of Earth's response to alien life being discovered.

>>9421370
>Three body problem
Read it back in 2014
Still falling asleep from boredom

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>>9421382
Blindsight nigga
>>9421394
Yeah lol it sucks. Worth plodding through for the amazing other two in the trilogy though

>>9421382
Watts, Three Body from above, thought it was written by a sloth, plus by the end the whole contact devolves into an Alex Jones level conspiracy theory were space alien jews try to invade Earth via videogames and nanobots.

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Have you little shits lied to me?
I'm ~200 pages into the third book of the Malazan series and there's still no GRI!
I was promised this was GRI approved.
I love the books otherwise so far but I need to masturbate too you fucks!

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I've just read two short stories witcher books (Last wish and Sword of destiny) and I am looking for similar books to this since they were awesome. Any recommendations?

I tried reading Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone and found it unpalatable. The prose was so staid and impersonal, it was a struggle to hold interest each new page.
It's a shame since the concept behind the series seems so interesting to me.

>>9421401
this picture is cool as fuck. what is it?

>>9421545
This is the teaser for the 3rd book of Watt's Blindopraxia series

Best book Ninefox got a white lesbian.

>>9421255
Absolute aram, that you?

>>9421382
Out of the dark by David Weber

>>9421515
I went from the Night Watch series to witcher and enjoyed it. Take that as you may.

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if /k/ and /x/ fugged and made a series. good stuff for the most part, kickass action and gunplay if you like that. also lovecraftian monsters

>>9421550
So there's going to be one? I thought the writer said something like that he ran out of stuff to write or something.

>>9421678
Somewhere in the future it will be, read his blog.

>>9421437
What's GRI, there is some romance but it isn't very explict. There is a great pairing that is introduced around book 5. A certain character in a mine also gets very down and dirty early on in like book 2 or 3

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>>9421691
Gay Rape Incest

>>9421697
There is a possibly implied gay pairing, a fair bit of casual gay sex and a few relationships, Mine character gets raped a fair bit, actually lots of character do/ have been raped (mainly had), book 6 is very rapey iirc but its not very sexy, not much incest going on (might be one stepmother rape or something..

>>9421605

Will I enjoy it if I dont know shit about guns

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>>9421691

>>9421713
yeah i just mean the author is knowledgeable, you don't need to know every gun to follow. just little details that make /k/ommandos hnng

>>9421731
>just little details that make /k/ommandos hnng

Eating brownies with cum mixed in?

>>9421316
>>9421287
The "Asian man" is Chinese. They laugh at American obsession with "diversity" and consider themselves no less than the most Superior culture. In their mind, Chinese > Rest of Asia > Europeans > Indians >>> Africans

Is there any online writing course worth doing?

>>9421287
>expecting a white cis male to ever be nominated for anything ever

>>9421713
You'll probably enjoy it more.

>tfw can't watch action movies because you autistically count bullets

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>>9421745
You learn writing by reading and writing.
Everything else is bullshit.

>>9421745
>>expecting a white cis male to ever be nominated for anything ever

Doing my best here
Considered calling myself bi but still half-lying

>>9421437
Nigga have patience. Book 3 has some of the most fucked up rape in the entire series.

>>9421706
>There is a possibly implied gay pairing,
Did you forget about all the explicitly open gay pairings? Like Blend and Picker?

>>9421437
Malazan is essential Redditcore.

There's not much GRI or anything that would offend delicate sensibilities.

>>9422433
>Book 3 has some of the most fucked up rape in the entire series.
you cant rape the dead

>>9421578

Is that fucking Vlad Tepes himself working Buchevsky? What the fuck? Is a vampire going to defend humanity from the alien furry threat?

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>>9422476
>There's not much GRI or anything that would offend delicate sensibilities.

>>9422476
Then I assume you'd have no problems letting your grandmother read Hetan's hobbling from book 9? Cause that shit is like something out of a Fatalpulse doujin.

>>9421402
>plus by the end the whole contact devolves into an Alex Jones level conspiracy theory were space alien jews try to invade Earth via videogames and nanobots.
So this is why I was getting the impression that the sophons really exist and are manipulating culture right now, as of late. There's too much weird shit going on.

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>>9422476
Is there a good fantasy novel series that isn't redditcore?

>>9422501
>you come in my home and kill and despoil all my food
>implying I'll let you get away with it

>>9421370
>the Three Body trilogy got out of China for a fucking reason
We're talking about the country where Wuxia and Xianxia comes from

>There's a name of the wind thread on outer /lit/ and people are saying it's good or okay
What the fuck?

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>>9422662
Jesus christ that's disgusting.
I'm going there right now.

>>9421255
I dropped too like the lightning because of the pronouns. I think that was the one with the pronouns... Anyway, it was annoying.

>>9422657
Oh god don't remind me.
>Protag is a waste who can't become a practioner of whatever bullshit magic is practiced
>Has a high position in his clan but is bullied because he's a waste
>Comes across a million year mushroom and eats it
>Gains god like talent and instantly becomes Qi whatever stage 9
>Gets back at his bullies
>Gets a harem
>In the he world that he lives in people traverse billions of miles with ease because Chinese writers suck at scale
I pretty much summarized every Xianxia

>>9422787
Holy shit this is pretty much isekai in a nutshell. This stuff has deep roots in the sinoriental psyche.

>>9422802
Oh actually there's also Isekai in half of them. In these novels the protag is guy on earth who is about to get his life ruined, and then he dies, and his soul is transported to another world where he possesses the body of a guy with the same name as his. The rest is the stuff I mentioned before

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>>9422802
>>9422787
ya yo ya yo

>>9422787
I'm impressed you actually read Chink shit. Iwouldn't have been able to do that since I'd rather not read anime, although there are some weebs like Sanderson around

>>9422787
>Gains god like talent
>Gets back at his bullies
>Gets a harem
Just like in my dreams.
It seems I must read these novels.

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>>9422826
What's wrong with weebs?
Tolkien was a weeb too.

>>9422831
There are thousands of them and a community of shit taste was made a while ago. Also this shit's actually getting pretty huge since translators are getting a lot of money from people. I'm pretty sure the biggest site has signed a deal with a chinese site that hosts all these novels

>>9422839
Why would I read some weeb's fantasy novel based on the anime they watch instead just watching anime?

>>9422844
in case this other guy isnt clear, just google the name of the genre and theres like mountaisn of this stuff being posted for free

>>9422677
>told the faggot about it
>heh Ill read it, anything you don't like means it's good
>I dropped too like the lightning...
Fuck off. Don't want to hear your tears. Waiting for the WoT faggot and the Dhalgren faggot.

>>9422844
I used to read these but I never donated. I do have a hilarious story though. I was reading a chapter and I glanced through the comments where they were complaining about their subreddit. So I went there and it was actually worth it. Anyway here's the story
>Some guys notice how popular Chinese novels are becoming
>They make their own novel but they call it a chinese novel
>They make up a fake chinese name and put their chapter through google translate to make raws
>Their fake novel gets really popular until some guy notices that the raws are fake and the author didn't exist
>The novel gets banned from the subreddit and there's a huge shitstorm going on
I'm pretty sure they made quite a bit since donations are usually $30 per chapter

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>>9422787
>Gains god like talent and instantly becomes Qi whatever stage 9
>Gets back at his bullies
>Gets a harem
That sounds like Radix lawl

>>9422787
You forgot that while the magic system that all these novels use has clearly defined power levels the protagonist can fight above his own level while everyone else either can't do it or can't do it as well as the protag

You know it's been a while since I actually truly enjoyed a fantasy novel.

>>9422883
>literal redditor invasion
>proudly talks about his wannabe shitsite
Wasn't someone supposed to make an anti-reddit macro? What's the status?

>>9422928
Fuck off.

Is there anything out there like Star Wars? I've already read Dune. And by "like Star Wars" I mean something that isn't trying to moralize on social issues or make pronouncements about what's bad in society. Just spaceships and shit.

>>9422886
Sounds like Khalidin

>>9422928

That might be because they're usually garbage. And the ones that aren't written by commercial authors that do yearly releases.

Come to think of it, no good fantasy series I can think of is written by a professional author.

>>9422952
>star wars started space ships and can be used as a universal blanket term for space opera
Fuck off. It's your kind that is helping fill this genre with trash.

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>>9422787
Fuck, that is so accurate but that is not gonna stop me. Wuxia/Xianxias are my guilty pleasure.

>>9422963
What of Stephen King and Neal Gaiman?

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>tfw read a weeby webtoon and have nowhere to discuss it

>>9422944
I'm not saying Fantasy is shit. It's just that for the past year or so I haven't had any fun reading fantasy novels.

>>9422985
So?
What was the purpose of announcing that?
Fucking blogshitter fuck off.

>>9422985
>Medieval setting
>Characters may as well have time travelled from the 21st century to the pas
I know that feeling especially since the vast majority of fantasy novels are like this. I swear the middle ages has to be the most misused setting ever

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So this just came in the mail

>>9422979

That can't possibly be a serious question, can it?

>>9422787
>Protagonist does some closed door training
>Comes out ten thousand years later
You forgot this.

>>9423003
How is that edition? Like the physical binding and print quality. I saw that sitting in a shop a while ago but it was all shrinkwrapped so I didn't know if it was worth springing the cash.

>>9423016
Of course it is.
They're the only living fantasy authors who produce high literature works.

>>9423028

>high literature works
>stephen king

I guess I really need to remember what thread I'm in.

>>9423026
After inspecting it can say that the pages are pretty thin, but that's because it's a big book. As for every other aspect I see no problems. I think I paid around $25 on Amazon for it.

>>9422963
>tfw Conan a pulp series is better written than most contemporary fantasy novels

>>9423047
His Nabokovesque prose and Tolkienesque world weaving are truly transcendent, you ignorant little pleb.

I just read some Goodkind interviews. He sort of reminds me of Bakker. It's probably the arrogance. It seems that whenever I read interviews with fantasy authors they usually seem rather arrogant

>>9423003
>tfw I lent the trilogy and sequels to a coworker 6 months ago and she hasn't even started them yet

>>9423090
Tell her to hurry tf up!

>>9423089
>fantasy authors usually seem rather arrogant
Rothfuss takes that shit to a whole new level
>If you’re one of the people who found this story disconcerting, off-putting, or confusing, I apologize. The truth is, it probably just wasn’t for you.

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>>9423003
>snap chat
... Phone poster??

>Each chapter starts with a quote from someone

>Each chapter starts

>>9423123
Yes, obviously. Why would I take a picture on my phone to transfer it to my desktop to make a post on my desktop. Posting directly from my phone makes more sense.

To the anon who emailed me his shit I'll read it tomorrow been a crazy week/weekend

t. Hungarian shovelanon

>chapters

>>9423003
Incredible, although that stupid wiring shit could be missing from the sides leaving just the incredible painting

>>9422657
>>9422787
>>9422978
Xianxia sounds dreadful, but is there any wuxia worth reading? I've always liked wuxia movies.

>>9423099
It might look like arrogance, but it could just as well be a method of handling massive quantities of predictable comments. The fans also get to feel special.

>>9423384
It works. I would use the chapter structure to revisit portions of the story from unseen angles. Ever read a detective novel?

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Is Book of The Long Sun worth getting through to read Book of the Short Sun? It's not bad, but it's not holding my interest nearly as much as New Sun did.

So is there any Roman themed fantasy that isn't historical fiction aside from Codex Alera and Arts of Dark & Light? Alera was okay, I guess, but I'm really hesitant to read the latter because everything I've seen of Vox implies the dude is legitimately nuts and that he can't keep his politics out of his goddamn writing like Terry Goodkind and the Sword of Truth series.

So is there anything else or is that seriously it?

>>9423519
Gene Wolfes Latro books

>>9423526
Thanks, senpai.

>>9423448
He put it before in the foreword.

>>9423430
Xianxia is just Wuxia with inflated powerlevels

>>9423099
Sounds like he knows his fans can't handle anything vaguely unconventional for genre fiction.

>>9423634
Except that book was the same shit as Name of the Wind

>>9423654
It was even worse. It was a book about that retarded girl fucking around for 150 pages. If you thought Kvothe worrying about his debts was bad then you should read this book. Rothuss probably ran out of money and needed to shit something out

>>9423664
I've never gotten around to read it. Is it at least passable? I'm so tired of waiting for lazy writers to finish their series.

>>9423675
Auri was just exploring her sewers and talking about how amazing Kvothe was. Oh and then there this gem
>Truly it was the slow regard of silent things
I'm not joking about this. Not only did Rothfuss constantly title drop the name of the book but he also did the same for his chapter titles

Is there a DBZ Abridged style abridging of Wheel of Time?

>>9423946
Don't bother. Wheel of Time is only good for the first three books and then goes to shit. Sanderson somehow managed to make it worse. I regret reading those fourteen books so much

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>>9423482
See pic related.

>>9423099
That doesn't sound bad at all.

Then again I'm used to Goodkind's level of narcissism.

>>9423982
Wait you're telling me that there are people who are as arrogant as Goodkind? Name some please.

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>>9423954
>book was shit
>other author fixed incredibly shit series to the best of his ability
>made it worse
You sound like a nostalgic fag who can't take off his goggles to see shit got better.

>>9423994
Mat was always good but Sanderson fucked his character up so badly. Also nothing can excuse Egwene pulling a balefire counter weave out of her ass

>>9422662
>the people who like X don't bother coming to a community where the haters are the most vocal and jump on anybody with a contrary opinion
Whoa really makes you think. Next you'll tell me that all the narutards post on /v/ because they got chased out of /a/.

>>9424012
Narutards are back on /a/ though

>>9424012
Naruto-posting has actually gotten reasonably common on /a/ since the main series ended. I think the endless threads heckling naruto/sakura shippers improved /a/'s general disposition to it a great deal.

>>9424012
But outer /lit/ is more elitist than us

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I read Robert Silverberg's 1989 novel At Winter's End, a remarkable book of fantasy. A tribe of furry bipeds with extra sensory tails emerge from their hillside cocoon habitat after a 700,000 year ice age. They journey to a fabled ancient city of wise Lizardmen where they seek to establish a civilisation, and enact God-appointed dominion over a newly thawed Earth.

In 500 pages Silverberg asks what is human, what is civilisation, and examines the requirements of leadership. But this book is also about the loves, friendship, growth, ambitions, and rivalries of a tightly knit tribe as they negotiate an unknown outside world, where previously held ways are confronted. In this way, the book is a mix of lengthy worldbuilding, lore, earthy characters, and insights of an anthropological nature. It also has extensive lesbian scenes of women who are not entirely catlike, but who are furry and have long tails. 5/5

>>9422646
Whale Road

>>9424033
Nah, /sffg/ is every bit as elitist as outer /lit/ but with way lower standards for what they're willing to read. Still have the pseuds who talk about books they haven't read, still have people looking down on others for their tastes, still have people mindlessly regurgitating memes in lieu of actual discussion. I only come here cause I happen to read a couple authors/series that get talked about frequently in these threads, but if you don't happen to like one of those authors or series /sffg/ is a super shitty place to talk about fantasy or sci-fi.

>>9424047
>It also has extensive lesbian scenes of women who are not entirely catlike, but who are furry and have long tails.
Why does every Silverberg novel have a minimum of one sex scene?

>>9424060
Because he's long in the habit. He wrote porn novels in the 50s/60s under a pseudonym. He's way more explicit in his New Age sci-fi from the 70s.

>>9424088
>He wrote porn novels in the 50s/60s under a pseudonym.
Even without any sort of evidence I instantly believe you.

>>9423965
I've seen that meme but sadly it doesn't really help me my dude

>>9424094
Honestly, Silverberg approaches and depicts sex in the best way I have seen in SF+F. It's all part of character building, and it admits how tawdry and zesty the whole enterprise is.

Writers will have scenes of explicit violence and mutilation, but put sex behind the door or curtain - to me this is somewhat 2-dimensional.

But it's a tricky thing to do, I find GRRM cringeworthy here.

>>9424155
While I generally agree that sex is a perfectly valid element to be used in storytelling and Silverberg generally uses it effectively in his stories, there are a few cases where I think he's just whacking off. Here I'm thinking specifically of Roma Eterna.

Anything with powerlevels like my chinese cartoons?

>>9424155
Goodkind is worse

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>>9424155
>It's all fun and games until you morph into a woman halfway through your 3rd ritual orgy

>>9424173
Xianxia which was already mentioned

>>9424190
There's a recussing motif in A Time Of Changes about how the protag is a premature ejaculator. The exuberance and bad taste of the New Wave SF era is sort of why I like it. If people want to read a story about a telepath (Dying Earth), why not depict him entering a woman's mind while she has sex? Why not have a cult (Book Of Skulls) whose initiation rites include joyless tantric sex with exotic ladies?

>>9424155
>Writers will have scenes of explicit violence and mutilation
This is just as bad and half the time reeks of someone who's only ever seen a dead body at a funeral

>>9424174
I'd argue Goodkind is THE worst, even beyond the Gor guy - at least he knew he was writing wankrags, Goodkind has this pretension of being great myth or something despite every book having multiple "and then Kahlan was threatened with rape, and the villain described exactly how he would rape her, with a lot of adjectives and shouting" scenes.

>>9424287
There's also Goodkind's number one fan Newcomb

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>>9423986
Robert Stanek's one.
>is a stolen valor fag (says he got the Distinguished Flying Cross in Iraq)
>sockpuppets his own books
>threatens to sue whoever disagrees
>has repeatedly lied and declared himself a #1 bestseller
>waited in line to see brian jacques at a book signing (pic related) and then posted the picture trying to say that it was just him and brian broing it up

>>9424353
Oh fuck I completely forgot about this guy. Why are his legs missing?

>>9424353
>America’s Tolkien
Gets me everytime

>>9424353
I love reading this guy's fake reviews on amazon.

>>9421531
Moorcock is a hack. He's the Alan Moore of sword and sorcery (doesn't actually like the genre and his most "praised" work does nothing but shit all over it).

>>9424453
How does Elric shit on sword and sorcery?

>>9422876
Are you the same guy who responded to me in the last thread? Your posts are incoherent. I've never read anything at your recommendation and I never will. Stop sitting around waiting for people to antagonize.

>Dream of a cool setting
>Wish I could either put it to paper or convert it into a PbP Forum
>Know that PbP dies quickly
>Have some sort of mental block that prevents me from putting it down to paper

I don't know what the fuck happened to me, but I have no motivation to type anything; and when I finally whip myself into typing something I hate it and delete it. This fucking sucks.

>>9424749
The trick is simple, you get over yourself and do it. Stop acting like you wont be making edits along the way.

>>9424765
Yeah but HOW does one get over oneself? That is the question at hand here.

>>9424765

But it's very hard. And when I get over the hump and put something down to paper, I delete the file out of disgust.

>>9424766
Just stop thinking about it. Focus on just doing instead of any magical ideas of perfection. If you feel your work is shitty then actually sit down to figure out how you can make it better. Anything else is idiocy.

>>9424749
>>9424766
Just sit down and write and edit later. Free writing can help with blocks. Open up a document, and start typing whatever comes to mind about it, coherency be damned. Maybe you'll hit a stride and realize what the next step is. Getting too obsessed with making it perfect before it's even on paper at all will ensure it's never started.

I'm sure this gets asked often, but how is The Black Company?
Who here has read it?
Would you recommend?

For reference, I really enjoyed Book of the New Sun and Gormenghast, both recommendations I received in this thread.

>>9424887
It's alot more action and rompy than anything Gene Wolfe or Peake wrote.

I heard someone describe it as fantasy MGS, but I didnt get far enough into the first book to get that vibe. It was alright I guess.

>>9424353
Can I get a quick rundown on this guy?

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>tfw no matter how strong your pathological need to be exceptional is, it will always be weaker than the combined forces of laziness and the inability to resist harsh criticism

>>9424155
Are you saying "and her cunt became the world" isn't solid erotica?

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>>9423421
This is the inside cover. I've been reading all day and can't put this down. I only had access to the first book, so now with the entire trilogy I feel like a kid in a candy shop!

>>9424027
Praise moot. Those newh/a/lf faggots with their airy elitist attitudes needed to be brought down a peg.

Their moe and lucky star threads should have been deleted instead of naruto threads.

>>9425027
>with their airy elitist attitudes
If more boards were elitist they would be better. This is a fact.

>>9425043
The problem is that people with shit taste presume to be "elite"

>>9424133
Apparently it's saturated with Christianity ad nauseam. It also isn't being subtle about it. If you don't mind in your face Christianity, it shouldn't be a problem.

>>9425043
No, if more boards weren't utter shit at discourse, they would be better.

>>9424487
Well I'm sorry if it wasn't you. Too many people take entitled affluent attitudes when they come for recommendations and you point them away.
Those same people come back here and whine when exactly what you warned them about happens. I'm fed up of it desu.

>>9424891
Yeah, I could go for something more action packed and fast paced, that sounds alright.
I've seen some people complain that maybe he is a little bit TOO shallow with the descriptions of events and characters, is that so?

Thanks for the input m8

>>9425043
Elitism does fuck all. Eventually the idiots you try to keep out will just think they're apart of the elite crowd and start parroting whatever they say blindly which inevitably kills discussion.

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>>9424887
>I really enjoyed Gormenghast
You did, did you.

>>9425084
You just take every chance you get to post this picture, don't you Anon?

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>>9425090
>It took ages to make, it's sffg and lit related, and we need more memes.
Yes I post it at every opportunity (mention of gormenghast) i get. You think I will put time into making a meme and let it die? I know people are saving the memes.

Here, have a meme of memes. (Wish the guy who made it would update it).

>>9424903
>Writes shitty books
>self-published
>most five star reviews on amazon are confirmed to be from him
>photoshops himself with other authors for his image

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>"Heh, you thought you were gonna read about an epic fantasy tale with impressive world building."
>"Too bad it's a self-insert high school fantasy of a Mary Sue."

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>see Silverberg mentioned
>remember reading Nightwings

Good stuff.

>>9421255
Have not read any of them. My partner got Birds as a gift so I'm going to read it some time during the coming months.

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>>9425705
>My partner

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>>9425716
>>>/r9k/

What are The Expanse novels like? I enjoy the show, to a point, so I thought about checking them out.

>>9426030
They're pretty bad.
I'd rate them 4/13

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>>9425716
ikr

>>9425726
>>>//lgbt/
You are a literal faggot. Only gay/queers say partner nowadays. They use it because the penis/vagina is in question in the other person.

Also not /lit/

>>9425090
He's like a second barneyfag

This has probably been asked 100 times, but are there any fantasy or scifi books like Nier and Dark Souls? I've been reading The Book of the New Sun and its interesting, but the characters feel pretty weak. I'm about to finish it so i'm asking for more recommendations.

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>tfw no Shiori gf

>>9426085
>this has probably been asked 100 times but I'm not going to just do an archive search before asking

>>9426096
>archive
Shouldn't even exist, desu

>>9426111
Kill yourself

>>9426096
Thanks, i found a few interesting books. I'm not a smart man.

what if it was good

What you fags reading?

Just finished some Clive Barker Imajica don't read. Book was shit. I'm surprised he wrote it so long ago, seeing as it reads like modern day tumblshit. Maybe tumblites found the book and based their ideologies on it?

Thinking of reading tunnel under the world by pohl next. Is it a "do not read"? Or is it good?

>>9421255
Hugo awards are run by SJWs and have lost all credibility at this point.

>>9421565
Nope, but I am the one bitching about identity politics and 33 percent trans nominations bwahahaha. Shrewd insight that this would instigate my wrath.

>>9426245

Either gonna finally start up with the Conan stories in an omnibus or start Firefall by Watts. Most recently, I got done rereading Earthsea and Nova.

>>9426245
Just finished the emperors blades trilogy. Best fantasy I've read in years.

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>>9425473
Nightwings is still the best work I've read from him. It reads a lot more like his more reflective later work. It's also like a more simply told and elegiac Jack Vance story, not only in its Dying Earth sort of setting but also in its rigidly structured society of guilds and their customs.

I notice it was paired with Vance's The Last Castle in one of those Tor doubles, in what would have been a very appealing sight on the wire racks in the 1980's.

>>9426245
Malazan Book of the Fallen
Midway through 3rd book.
I'm going to need a break after this one but it's really very good although I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of GRI that I was promised.

>>9426276
>ADARE
>ENJOYED IT
FUCK OFF

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>>9426301
>GRI
These are guaranteed GRI APPROVED.

>>9426317
P.s. But you're not going to read it are you?

>>9421578
That book was such a pulpy and whacky ride.

I still kinda love it.

>>9426309
Adare wasn't a bad character as far as female ones go.

>>9426317
>Brent weeks
>Anthony Ryan
Buy some taste.

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Black Company is getting adapted for TV.

Aren't you just giddy with excitement, /sffg/?

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/841117-david-goyer-and-eliza-dushku-developing-the-black-company-books-for-television

This dopey face is going to be the Lady.

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Is there a good anthology/compilation of pulp fiction stories?

>>9426961
Any of Lovecraft's Penguin volumes (people seem to think Lovecraft must be read in a certain order; not true.) There are also books collecting CL Moore's two Weird Tales character serials, of Jirel (dimension traveling female Conan) and Northwest Smith (sci-fi smuggler/space opera). Leigh Brackett has Mars stories collected in some older print books. Of course, there is a lot of collected Robert Howard out there, Conan and also his considerable non-Conan Weird Tales. If you want Golden Age SF, Mammoth Books did a volume of these with a bunch of John Campbell authors.

The chances are if they wrote for Weird Tales and are still in at least recent print, they are worth a look.

>>9423482
Depends how much Silk annoys you. I think it's worth it and then short sun is more of a single guy on an epic adventure like new sun was, if that's what's holding you back.

>>9425084
Wait, B. D. Wong was in those books? Brb, taking them out to the trash right now.

>>9426085
>this has probably been asked 100 times
yeah it's its own meme at this point.

but honestly i dont know, everytime it's asked everyone starts in with the memes and there's no real answer.

Ok, what the fuck?
>reading The Crippled God
>suddenly out of nowhere Laseen is fucking dead offscreen
>google it
>turns out it happened in Esslemont's books
So should I read them? I've heard that they're nothing like Erikson's Malazan, and yet I feel like I'm missing out a lot, what with Greymane and apparently a shitload of offscreen stuff like the whole Dissembrae & Seguleh thing.

>>9421437
>Tfw no explicit sex scene between karsa and samar

REEEEEEEEEEEE

But mazalan isn't really explicit that much in terms for actually getting you off unless you're into mindbreak and rape.

It's used sparingly as well, not like GRR Martin who throws in sex and nudes in every other sentence.

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>>9421706
>Tfw you read Beak's chapters and feel like you want to cry.

The ending was bittersweet at least.

>>9423089
I have a soft spot for the Sword of Truth series, I actually enjoyed it a bit but just wish he had just stuck to making it more about the world/lore and animals instead of some drawn out end of the world preachy self importance "this isn't a story but criticisms of real life"

>>9427517
desu every character had a tragic story in Malazan.
Thinking about Felisin and how broken she became crushes me every time.

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I've always avoided genre fiction in literature but I fucking loved watching this anime, are there any other novels like it?

>>9427506
I just finished the series but there's some guide out that shows how to read the esslemonts book along with the main story of mazalan. Just reread the entire series along with esslemonts.

Idk about how different it is, I have yet to read it. I just finished mazalan. Going to reread it with the guide.

>>9427536
True. Mazalan genuinely knew how to create characters.

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Give me your best malazan memes.

>>9427558
Fuck off reddit.

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>>9427506
Pretty sure it was mentioned in DoD.

Night of Knives was a heavy read, but kinda cool considering the setting.
Return of the Crimson Guard was quite good, and the convergence had lots of shit happening. Easier to read than NoK.
Stonewielder felt like a small step down from RotCG, but was still a good read. The Greymane and Ruthan Gudd relation isn't fleshed out tho, but we get to see life at the Wall.
I'm about to start Orb Sceptre Throne, as I finished TCG last week.

You should read them if you like the story and Malazan world, but be aware that they are not as easy to read as Erikson's (imho).

>>9426885
She doesn't look like muh pure waifu.

>>9427537
I think it naturally lends itself to military space operas like:

Ender's Game (a disappointment in my opinion because the military strategies were literally shit) → very simple prose

Thrawn from Star Wars (I enjoyed it because the strategies were quite creative) → very simple prose

Ninefox Gambit (I enjoyed it because of the great/alien worldbuilding and Hexarchate mysteries but this author can't write military strategies to save their fucking life) → prose starts off very dense and tapers down to more manageable levels but it's denser than Peter Watts at his most verbose

Hyperion Cantos. I had very few good things to say about the Endymion parts which is most Space Opera but one of those was Frederico De Soya, captain of the Raphael. The Hyperion parts are not 1:1 in any way to LOGH but are thoroughly enjoyable and has some of the most stunning worldbuilding and most moving scenes in fiction without having jargon.

Firefall by Peter Watts. This is much more exploration/mystery based than military based.

Did anyone find this really hard to read? I'm like a couple of chapters in and the style is hella turning me off

>>9426317
>Wind up girl
>Non-Asia
SEAsia is kinda Asia nawmean?

Also is Hull Zero Three any good

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>>9428596
by 'this' I meant picrelated

>>9428602
I haven't read it yet, but I've finished his first six books. Are you a fan of Gibson's? His style can be a bit confusing.

>>9426885
Isn't that bitch like 50 now?

>>9428621
no this is my first one
not sure if i should keep reading, it seems all over the place

>>9428255
>Firefall by Peter Watts
This and Blindsight pissed me off because of the vampires. This guy should just stick to alien architecture and biology

>>9428596
>Also is Hull Zero Three any good
Yes. Now that I look back on it, it's like a sidescroller video game.

>>9428654
I fucking loved the Crucifix Glitch and angles though.

>>9428654
You've got to admit that the naturalistic explanation for vampires is pretty impressive, though. They're pretty well characterized too. I think it's all good once you get past your initial prejudices.

>>9428652
Yeah, if you don't like it at first you probably won't like the rest. Maybe try Neuromancer or his short stories for practice; New Rose Hotel, Johnny Mnemonic, or Burning Chrome. His stories aren't very typical of the genre, I find. I do plan on reading his previous trilogy and The Peripheral.

>>9428732
>Johnny Memeonic
He actually named a book like that?

>>9427817
that flow chart is confusing as fuck. do you read the arrows that the red arrows are pointing at first? or after? why the fuck are they turned backwards when the blue ones point left to right in continuity? where the fuck are you supposed to go if there are two blue arrows?
the list in abbreviated titles cant even be read either.
who the fuck can read FDar >>DJdjeD >>HmkI JOmeH >>JFaN >>WoT?

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What are some fantasy novels that have creative races instead of just rehashing Tolkien's ideas?

>>9428791
It's a short story. It was turned into a feature film with Keanu Reeves and Ice-T. Not even shitting you.

>>9428848
>that
>how do you read maps
Damn. First world education is shit compared to mine. I was thought maps and legends in primary school.

>>9428872
Try reading something published in the last 20 years.

>>9428848
Try reading the fucking legend in the upper right corner you sperg. If you can't even read a fucking chart then give up reading actual books.

TUC WHEN??
going to be so funny when this books flops, after the 2 year hype bakker has put into it.

>>9428848
>I share a general with such ignorant uneducated persons
No wonder outer lit looks down on us. If persons such as yourself are the most visible, they will think us all ignorant braindead consumerists

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So apparently Eliza Dushku wants to be The Lady and got David Goyer on board as producer.

http://deadline.com/2017/04/eliza-dushku-star-the-black-company-series-adaptation-david-goyer-im-global-1202076367/

>Boston Diva Prods. optioned the ten-book epic action fantasy series, as well as the forthcoming book, Port of Shadows, which falls between Book 1 and 2 in the series and will be published by Tor Books in 2018. Dushku (Bull, Dollhouse, Buffy the Vampire Slayer) will star in the pivotal role of the dark sorceress, The Lady.

>The series follows the exploits of the Black Company, an elite mercenary unit that carries out the often nefarious deeds of the highest bidder across a Tolkeinesque landscape. When these hard-bitten men discover the prophecy that the embodiment of good has been reborn, they must re-examine their loyalties. The Lady (Dushku), who rules over the Northern Empire, uses the Black Company to further her domination of a power structure rife with usurpers. Additional casting will be announced in the coming weeks.

>Goyer (Christopher Nolan’s Batman films, Starz’s Da Vinci’s Demons, ABC’s Flash Forward) will executive produce under his first-look deal with IM Global TV, along with Kevin Turen (Birth of a Nation, All Is Lost, Arbitrage). Also on board as executive producers through Boston Diva are Dushku, Nate Dushku, and Ami Lourie, along with Sam Maydew (John Leguizamo’s Ghetto Klown) of Silver Lining Entertainment.

>“Glen Cook’s books turn the traditional fantasy adventure tropes on their ear with wry, dimensional characters and a modern sensibility,” said IM Global Television President Mark Stern. “We’re excited to explore this intricate and exciting world for television with David and Kevin along with Eliza, Nate, Ami and Sam.”

>“The Black Company is vast in scope yet remains fundamentally relevant through the morally ambiguous choices it presents at every turn,” added Dushku. “We are excited to bring Glen Cook’s classic story to life with Mark and David, luminaries in the cinematic pursuit of science fiction and epic fantasy, who will inevitably assemble poignant characters embroiled in jaw-dropping action.”

>>9428602
Are shifting POV's that confusing to some people?
It's not really that difficult once you get a hold of the setting.

Is there any good modern sci fi that is not masturbatory social justice stuff?

>>9427537

how about you pick up the novels? they are being translated.

>>9429258
She actually looks it.

>>9428625

Apparently, she's 36.

>>9428083

Who could even be a good fit for the role?

>>9427817
>they are not as easy to read as Erikson's (imho).
Can you or someone elaborate on this?

>>9429350

No, she doesn't.

>>9428920
>>9428957
>>9429111
it's needlessly complicated and overall a shit flowchart

>>9429461
The writing style is a bit harder to get. Sometimes feels like he's writing like an academic or an invisible, participating historian. I don't know tho, I'm not a good reader.
>>9428848
But it's not?

>>9428872
Bas-lag.

>>9429327
Last two books of Three Body Trilogy
Literally promotes authoritarianism

>>9428654
Twilight ruined vampires. Imagine reading Firefall with vampires having the same mysticism as some of the less mentioned myths

>>9429908
I don't think it promotes authoritarianism so much as it suggests that both liberal democracy and authoritarianism have their place to play depending on the circumstances. I mean, half the point of the Trisolarans was to portray a society that takes the philosophy of Chinese Legalism to the extreme being stagnant and hell to live in.

>>9429927
Yeah you're right it offers the positives and negatives of both. I think if anything the message is that flexibility is key.

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>>9429908
Started reading this last week.
that bit where sophon pulls out a katana and starts slicing niggas

Do people buy these fucking IDPOL books? And by people I mean not SJW mums and schools trying to tick a diversity box?

Can anyone recommend some non-cuck SFF that isn't 50 years old?

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every thread

>>9430012
Thatll take us into manga territory

>>9429327
http://www.castaliahouse.com/

You're welcome.

>>9421287
Go back to /pol/
>>9421316
The only "identity politics" going on here is from people whining
Everyone else is just voting for what they want to vote for because they like it

>>9421605
I tried reading of them when the whole puppy thing started
It sucked
No wonder the guy doesn't get awards or sell more books: he is not very good
There's your fucking conspiracy you goddamn hack

>>9423482
Short Sun won't make any sense without Long Sun
They're on the planet and in trouble because of shit that happened in Long Sun

>>9423519
Votan by John James, got reprinted by Fantasy Masterworks last year
>>9423526
>>9423534
Latro is fucking Greek

>>9424094
The young emerging writers of that time had to write a wide variety of material to get by
Harlan Ellison wrote for what were known as 'the sweats magazines' which were magazines for men with a lot of sex and action and military exploits, and detective magazines and all that, he's republished some of that recently

>>9426961
There were a series of big hardcover reprints of pulp fiction stories a few years ago. I can't remember the name or the editor sorry.

For specific authors, Gollancz has been reprinted rare out of print SF writers in their SF Gateway series some of them are from the pulp era
Their fantasy and sf masterworks line included the combined works of C.L. Moore and an collection of Leigh Brackett and Clarke Ashton Smith
Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft are kept in print

>>9428791
>>9428732
Pretty sure Mnemonic was a story in the Burning Chrome anthology

>>9429258
Goyer is apparently a big Wolfe and New Sun fan

>>9429327
People write what they want to write
>>9430012
>talking in complete gibberish that those outside his clique can't understand
Who is the one with the identity politics?

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Finished this today

Pretty cool how he describes the sea level raising pulses of the 2060s and 2100s

The economic collapses and bail outs of the banks repeating 2008
The austerity this demanded
Cut back or privatisation of services this resulted in
The migration from low lying regions, the conflicts, the famines and droughts

The technologies deployed to try to decarbonise

People in the intertidal adapting buildings to live in them, the story is set in the MetLife skyscraper converted into apartments for 2000 people, many have just closer sized rooms or have to live communally

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>>9421255
Give me some post-singularity sci-fi like Quantum Thief series.
I've already read Watts and think that his version that the humanity is fucked regardless of technological singularity is more realistic. But still.

>>9430242
Revelation Space?

>>9430242
Feersum Enjins

>>9430256
not enough singularity

>>9430193
>Assuming my sex.

You Nazi.

>>9430261
Looks interesting, a bit "new weird" even

>>9430264
How much more singular can you get than the melding plague?

>>9430277
I felt quite let down with Hannu after reading it, it did a lot of things he writes about but 20 years earlier.

>>9430274
Hurrr

>>9430242
Hyperion

>>9421287
Hugo is cancer now.

I mean shit me sideways - NK Jemisin is a terrible writer and its a terrible universe with some silly plot holes and very obvious HEY GIVE ME A HUGO add-ons.

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>>9430329
>He doesn't like loli headpatting
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>9429915
>Twilight ruined vampires
Oh get bent. The majority of people who say that haven't even read Dracula.

>>9430329
>if something I don't like wins a popularity content
>clearly there is a vast conspiracy at work to award the author for who or what they are
>it can't possibly be that other people have different tastes to me and they are in the majority
>it must be a conspiracy

>>9430391
I have read Dracula
So please allow me to say that Twilight ruined Vampires

>>9430398
>letting Twilight scar you for life
Why anon?

>>9426832
was comfortably the worst female character in that series

>>9430405
It hasn't
You said one needed to read Dracula to pass comment
Well I have read Dracula
So nyah

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>>9430524
Hey I've read Dracula too.
Good for us.

>>9430287
was quite ahead of it's time that one

>>9429549
>i-it's shit guys
>I don't need to read it anyways

>>9430242
Broken Empire and Land Fit For Heroes but more medieval shit amongst the aftermath.

I haven't read a book in like 10 years. I'm after something in the fantasy range but I have 0 clue about books. I was thinking of seeing if the bookstore had The Silmarillion since that's honestly the only fantasy type book I know of.

I guess I'm asking for recommendations here because I looked at your images but I still have no clue what they are about.

>>9430191
I can't think of anyone worst for an adaptation, but still I just coomed in my pants.

>>9430146
>Latro is fucking Greek
>there is a different between roman and greek
Okay.

>>9430213
So basically a modern version of Lucifer's Hammer?
Imma pick it up.

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>>9430537
>it's

>>9430574
What peaks your interest? What do you like in books? Technology? Magic? Politicking? Adventure?
Have a gander at >>9426317 and see if any of the categories opens your curiosity.

>>9430629
I don't know, it's hard to explain when I can't give you any examples outside of high fantasy being the only keyword. I'll have a look through that picture now.

>>9430634
>high fantasy
Malazan Book of the Fallen

>>9430629
>peaks

>>9430634
Like the other anon said.
If you have good reading comprehension you can try Malazan. Just know it doesn't hand hold you throughout the book.

>>9430652
How does a book hand hold out of curiosity.

How is this?

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>>9430666
Forgot my pic.

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>>9430627

>>9430657
Through exposition, repetition and info dumps.

>>9430648
>the English language isn't filled the fuck up with homophones
>peak pique
>do dew
>raze raise
>they day
I'm sorry for offending your grammatical sensibilities Mr Anon.

>>9430671
Ahh right just as I thought.

Alright I'll look more into this and see what's in the bookstore tomorrow

>>9430668
Read the fucking thread faggot. Or look in the previous thread.

>>9430657
When they over explain everything so "no man is left behind". Prime examples of this are Sanderson and female urban fantasy writers.

Although with the female urban fantasy writers it makes sense. Their fanbase is mostly women who might not take the time to find out what a phrase means, or what an internet slang means, so the author explains it all. Sometimes it's beautifully done, sometimes it's fucking annoying.

Malazan just drops you in the middle of the world. Like that movie with tom cruise and the mech body and time loop. You have to nearly complete book one to get an understanding and a sense of what's going on.

>>9426245
finished Red Sister starting Skullsworn. Female protag overkill probably.

>>9430052
What else is there besides Blindsight and Three Body?

>>9430726
That gets discussed every thread?
Look here >>9425107

>>9430668
Overall worth it but one of the MCs comes close to torpedoing the whole thing.

With hindsight I'd have preferred a more focused and less epic narrative focusing on the Ketteral and their doings.

>>9430754
no, I mean kind-of-hard first contact SF, I'd actually like to see some new examples.

nah

>>9430726
sadly, not much
gateway, I guess, for oblong first contact shit

best bit of three body though was that it was at the core a basic alien invasion story told right

>>9430760
Solaris by Stanislaw Lem

NEW THREAD

>>9431124
>>9431124
>>9431124
>>9431124