Coming soon (1/3).

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3/3.

What the hell is a neoreactionary?

>>9420433
a gender identity?

>>9420433
a faggy "internet badass"

>>9420421
Is that what a vagina looks like?

>>9420433
Anyone who has ever replied to a bait post on 4chan

>>9420433
It's kind when you get so fat that nobody can tell if you're a man or woman

>>9420475
Kinda.

>>9420433

PC people who admit that they support neoliberalism. They support capitalism because it brings chaos, inequality, despair etc.

>>9420710

The reason why they call themselves "reactionaries" is because they (rightfully) assume that all the chaos brought by neoliberalism makes the ruling class stronger than ever. Their job is to maintain the present social order, not to change it.

>>9420421
What is that? Ham in a horse collar?

>>9420460
>>9420470
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>>9420493
Phoneposters need to leave.

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>>9420433
they're alt-right pseudo-intellectual virgins

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neoreactionary_movement
>Neoreactionaries are the latest in a long line of intellectuals who somehow think that their chosen authoritarian thugs wouldn't put them up against the wall. Possibly they hope to use sheer volume of words as a bulletproof shield, or consider themselves somehow too competent, virtuous and useful to end up one of the serfs.
>The movement is largely insignificant and mostly an object of curiosity (one must hope it remains this way), though it has attracted some of the pseudo-intellectual variety of racist.
...
>There is the occasional schism, purge, warning of entryists and claim of true neoreaction; thus, neoreaction successfully duplicates student communism, though without people even getting laid along the way.

so basically /pol/ in a nutshell, lmao

What the fuck is up with the online cult around this guy? His early work is really interesting but in the past ten years he's turned into a drugged out maniac.

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>>9420831
>What the fuck is up with the online cult around this guy?
uppers senpai

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He went mad and mixed these three guys. I personally blame Bataille's philosophy, the guy was too much for poor Land.

Nick Land did enough overdoses of drugs that he unironically supports the Communist Gangster Computer God but without the Communism.
Like, you can't even call him a reactionary despite his fanbase being comprised of mostly that. He's anti-egalitarian, but that doesn't exactly mean much since he wants a super A.I. to kill all of humanity.
Imagine Posadas but with terminators instead of nukes.

>>9420831
I think Mencius Moldbug is the cooler NRx desu

>>9420831
Meltdown is pretty interesting desu. There is even a video reading it with spooky robotic voices.
http://ccru.net/swarm1/1_melt.htm
>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiaWsgtJrNI

>>9420837
> these three guys
> post picture of Deleuze

Come on anon, Deleuze is more than three guys.

whomst

>>9420844
Moldbug's just your regular greasy IT guy, he doesn't even have a cyberpunk-chic shanghai compound

>>9420857
trust the cyber fuck to live in Shanghai, do you think he is disappointing by all the promised tech of the 90's that failed to materialise? Is that why he does so much coke?

>>9420861
From what I've heard, Land's wife is a professor in a chinese university but he spends the whole day shitposting on twitter like he was a 13 year old /b/tard trapped in the body of a 50 former post structuralist academic

>>9420864
Pretty much, he self-destructed fast and hard in the early 2000's after a whole decade of showing up to work high on uppers and psychedilics when he was a professor in Warwick, it's hilarious to read third person accounts of his autistic shenanigans, as well as how it took the philosophy department years to get this guy fired from his position. Now he's just a burnout, like any former druggie, but he's kept alive by an endless succession of grad students who give him a platform to do skype lectures and read their dissertations and unpublished manuscripts. Honestly, if people like Ray Brassier, Nick Srnicek, and Albert Toscano didn't rehabilitate him he'd be completely forgotten, which would suck, because he's a pretty underrated "lolcow", in the old internet sense, I wish people trolled him harder, he probably has so many skeletons in the closet, he seems like an easy exploit.

>>9420844
He's just a two-bit pseud. His "brief introduction to unqualified reservations" is essentially unreadable owing to the copious use of what he likely sees as "humor" but never really pulls off

>>9420844
Moldbug is just a by-the-numbers autistic stemfag, all of his writing is just alternative history wish fulfillment for pathetic computer programmers who think being able to code means they should be able to autocratically control the whole world, I haven't met too many NRx people irl, but at least 50% of every stemfag I've met irl thinks understanding coding means they're inherently superior to everyone around them and that programming is a transferable knowledge, so if you're good at programming it just makes you "smart", and that means you're in a better position to understand economics, politics, psychology, and philosophy then people who actually spend their lives studying it. It's just autism, these people would be some of the first to go if "survival of the fittest" was real and not just a meme.

>>9420837
>lovecraft
>philosophy
literally how

>>9420831
>but in the past ten years he's turned into a drugged out maniac.
OP, Nick Land has been doing non-stop drugs since the 80's, literally all of his writing is drug fueled, the only thing that's changed is that he lost his job, moved to China, started believing in eugenics and fascism, and has completely resigned himself to being a fringe crank who only theoryfags and aut-right mongs patron. If you're a theory fag then he's fun, but much like his idols, Deleuze, Bataille, Nietzsche, he's more someone to be "resisted" then synthesized, but it's also undenyable that without him we wouldn't have Left Accelerationism, and besides Communization Theory, I don't even know if there's a single other Marxist school of thought specific to the 21st century that isn't a retread of 20th Century theory/praxis (not including crit-theory, cultural stidies, """"muh cultural marxism"""" stuff, because that's almost completely inapplicable to non-academic spaces).

>>9420876
Lovecraft is actually a huge fad right now in academia, Lovecraft and Weird Fiction basically hold the same position to Speculative Realism that the Modernists and Dada held to the Frankfurt school, and that the Symbolists and Surrealists held to French Post-Structuralism.

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>>9420880
Meant to attach this jpg, but forgot.

>>9420885
is this a copypasta

>>9420890
No. why do you ask?

>>9420890
If you are interested in the intersection between Lovecraftian fiction and Speculative Realism there's plenty of examples, Harman's Weird Realism, Negarstani's Cyclonopedia, and Eugene Thacker's trilogy of "horror philosophy" that he published through Zero Books, which was a direct influence on True Detectives (some of Rust Cole's monologues are lifted directly from the book).

>>9420892
I'm just insecure because I really have no idea what you are talking about

>>9420897
No worries famrade, that's what Wikipedia's for. The page on Speculative Realism is actually a pretty decent outline imo. Besides that, philosophical movements usually tend to internally create their own sense of an "aesthetic", basically whay artest are "in" and cool to reference, and which artists, as well as philosophers, are lame and not worth referencing. For instance, referencing Plato in any positive way whatsoever used to basically be career suicide in Post-Structuralist circles, luckily Badiou has rehabilitated Plato, but now Aristotle is out of vogue. For the French intellectual scene in the 60's, if you couldn't verbatim cite Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Artraud, then you were basically considered a functional retard. Right now, for a lot of weird reasons, Speculative Realism, which is emerging as the most important philosophical movement of the 21st Century thus far, and is deeply tied to Zizek and Badiou, although they're of an older generation, the "aesthetic" they've chosen seems to be one highly indebted to Weird Fiction (Lovecraft) and "Speculative Fiction" (big fancy word for scifi, think Philip K. Dick, William Gibson, lots of cyberpunk stuff).

>>9420831
I feel like Stirnerfags would like Nick Land. Also probably Ray Brassier.

>>9420899
Everything you typed seems to check out but something about this comment reads like you have exactly one source and know less than you are letting on.

>>9420906
>if someone knows more then me about a random subject they must be lying
I'm interested in Speculative Realism, before that I was already into Post-Structuralism, most of the post-structuralists liked to talk about Mallarmé, most of the Speculative Realists like to talk about Lovecraft, it isn't rocket science and it isn't a crazy comparison to make.

>>9420893
I thought the nihilistic monologues in True Detective were mostly influenced by Thomas Ligotti's "Conspiracy Against the Human Race" (Ligotti is a horror writer influenced by Lovecraft, but that book was more like his manifesto for a pessimistic anti-natalist philosophy…do any of the speculative realism guys talk about him along with Lovecraft?)

>>9420911
Yeah, a lot of Rust Cole's dialogue comes from Conspiracy Against the Human Race, but a lot of it also comes from Eugene Thacker's In the Dust of This Planet. Eugene Thacker himself is pretty deeply influenced by Ligotti, as are Brassier and Negarstani, but even Ligotti's main influence is Lovecraft, and Lovecraft is kind of a coincidental teather between Ligotti and Land. There are four currents in Speculative Realism, the most predominate one is OOO, and Harman is a pretty big fan of Lovecraft, but arguably the Rationalists, like Brassier and Negarstani, are far more influenced, their philosophy is like a weird mishmash of nihilism, positivism, cognitive science, and neurophilosophy mixed with a lot of Deleuze, Guattari, and Land. Also, Brassier's Nihil Unbound was another major influence on True Detectives itself.

>>9420912
*Pessimistic Rationalists

do not approve of the bataille hate itt

>>9420909
No, there's definitely something weird about that post. You write like you're faking it, even if you're not.

>>9420906
>>9420916
Stop samefaging

>>9420880
The people behind leftist Accelerationism are basically socdems with light touches Soviet technophilic futurism. They are not bad per se but they are completely disenchanted with actual leftism that entails class-struggle and opposition to the bourgeoisie.

Badiou basically tells them they are even more utopian than him in this debate:

https://vimeo.com/193993130

As for Land as you say as he is to be resisted, since his vision for the future is nightmarish as fuck.

>>9420914

Agreed, Bataille was a comrade all his life, and he is much more interesting than Land.

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>>9420880
don't forget xenofeminism

>>9420885
I personally believe the only way forward is to adopt a leftist cosmicism

Only by abandoning all spooks can we finally work towards overthrowing capitalism

Can someone who is really into this corner of philosophy give a brief explanation of the Unconditional Accelerationism concept? Is the ultimate end goal complete human extinction?

>>9420912
>like a weird mishmash of nihilism, positivism, cognitive science, and neurophilosophy mixed with a lot of Deleuze, Guattari, and Land.
From the looks of it the cognitive science part seems very shallow

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>>9420931
>I personally believe the only way forward is to adopt a leftist cosmicism
>Only by abandoning all spooks can we finally work towards overthrowing capitalism

Nah senpai what we have to do is to "re-enchant" the world, i.e. bring forth new spooks to replace the spooks of tradition (god) and capitalism (commodity fetishism).

The trick is how to do it without submitting to the obscurantisms of new age/faux paganism.

An example of how to do it is pic relate, ain't even kidding, we need a sort of urban folklore/parody-religion for the post-industrial world, the trick is that, in an act of Zizekian irony, "we do not really believe in it, but it works even if we don't believe in it."

>>9420866
>didn't rehabilitate him he'd be completely forgotten, which would suck, because he's a pretty underrated "lolcow", in the old internet sense, I wish people trolled him harder, he probably has so many skeletons in the closet, he seems like an easy exploit.
this is a healthy outlook, "he seems like an easy exploit". Fucking with mentally unstable people is FUN TIMES. Good stuff.

>>9420938
we subgenii now

>>9420938
>An example of how to do it is pic relate, ain't even kidding, we need a sort of urban folklore/parody-religion for the post-industrial world, the trick is that, in an act of Zizekian irony, "we do not really believe in it, but it works even if we don't believe in it."
This is Satanic, its unholy and the behavior of defiled children of the Kali Yuga

>>9420938
>we need a sort of urban folklore/parody-religion for the post-industrial world, the trick is that, in an act of Zizekian irony

Wasn't this already started with the whole invoking kek business?

seems like pol's stance on kek is exactly this:
>"we do not really believe in it, but it works even if we don't believe in it."

are you suggesting a leftypol version of the above or more nuanced than that? not sure if this is a wise road to follow desu senpai

>>9420945
Tthe Kali Yuga will end someday, what I was trying to say is that we need something to fill the spiritual void in the meantime. Perhaps what I said was a mistake. I suppose that was foolish.

>>9420947

>Wasn't this already started with the whole invoking kek business?

Yes. I suppose we would merely be following in their steps. My version though would be similar but with a clear return to "Ethics", instead of embracing chaos like /pol/ we embrace order, as a sort of dialectical "things turning into their opposite" kinda thing (as in Mao's flavor of dialectics, that is), so that the left stands for light and order while the right for darkness and chaos. A complete dialectical reversal of how the right has seen itself and in relation to the left since the days of Joseph de Maistre.

I suppose a more nuanced version of the same idea is that it is up to humans to solve earthly problems, how I imagine it is as a sort of religion that says "god is gone, is up to humans to safeguard the world and fix society" (maybe this is like the Jewish concept of Tikkum Olam, I don't know), and we do this through Revolutionary Praxis, Revolutionary Praxis being a religion that is devoted to collective action in this world. Again from Zizek I got the idea of the Holy Ghost as an egregore of sorts, that emerges from the collective actions of the community of believers. All we have today is the Holy Ghost, we cannot turn to God to fix our shit and so on and so on. This is a good fundation for the kind of ethical religiosity I imagine, maybe.

>>9420831
>xenophilosophy
>not realizing being is becoming
How irrational.

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>>9420950
>instead of embracing chaos like /pol/ we embrace order
>light and order
>Holy Ghost
So the exact opposite of /pol/ huh? I think i know which avatar you're building towards for this. pic

>>9420940
>moralfaging on a chan board

Land is hardly a victim, light trolling is hardly even half of what that crypto-fascist deserves.

>>9420849
Honestly vaperwave 'aesthetic' would've been so much cooler if it had that early 90's cyberindustrial vibe, rather than just doing 80's nostalgia.
More Lain, less Drive.
Also I would not be even the slightest bit surprised if the CCRU or even that audio clip specifically was one of the main sources of inspiration for OK Computer.

>>9420873
The amount of randian and other reactionary bullshit among autistic STEM-fags (especially silicon valley programmers and related faggots) is fucking mystifying. It's one of the weirdest part of the industry.
How can one industry of workers have such a reactionary culture?
It's so weird to me that the free software movement, the black hatters, and the pirates turned out to be the counter culture within tech, rather than the general culture and ideal that it seemed destined to be.

>>9420923
I'm not that into the acceleration people, but I thought it was pretty common to describe them as part of the post-left and not leftists exactly for the reasons you describe.

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*darkly enlightens u*

Listen here fuckos I'm going to give you a quick rundown on the situation basically as I remember it. Now what you have to remember is that ol Moldberg is a libertarian of the Misesian-Rothbardian sort (I believe he even specifically says this at one point). Though inspecting him he would appear to espouse more reactionary ideas akin to Hoppe and Friedman (that's David Friedman, faggot (though I would've forgive you for thinking of his son Patri who I'll get back to later)).

Now these names I just mentioned (excluding the Friedmans) are into Austrian economics. Now Austrian Economics is a lot like Classical Marxism in that appears anachronistic and claims to be scientific but not empirical. This an important difference with the Chicago School/ Monetarist Milton Friedman (and subsequently his son David) who believed he was doing empiricism. Now while Rothbard managed to plunder the term libertarian (and invent the term Anarcho-Capitilist) who wasn't the only one of his sort. David Friedman basically reinvented Anarcho-Capitilism by combining the economics of his father with The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. I'm not making this up and he even wrote that in a comment to some random guy's blogpost who said he was influenced by Rothbard. After reinventing the beliefs of people he knew he wrote a book on medaevial Iceland. In that book he wrote about how the ancient Icelandic people settled disputes and basically had no legislation but instead, like many germanic peoples, had disputes determined basically in the way in which Bookchin gestures at but with more judges. From here we get 'private defense agencies'.

Now back to the Austrians. Out of the tradition of right-libertarians to claim to have one influence exposing their illiteracy (Rand said she was only influenced by Aristotle, Google "Virtue Ethics" faggots), Rothbard instead was rather well read. He wasn't a vulgar libertarian who supported free trade deals just because of the name though he was a paleolibertarian (i.e. David Duke and Pat Buchanan are actually good). Now Rothbard wrote gushing letters to Rand and even left her circle twice and wrote a one act play satirizing her (Mozart Was a Red https://youtu.be/KIk5C2qsRH8). Now Rothbard was determined to set his political movement on a firm foundation. He even rewrote his book Man, Economy and State to incorporate a more Thomistic outlook as opposed to the Utilitarianism he originally lent on.

One of the key things from Rothbard was the conception of the nation as opposed to state. It is actually reactionary to believe this as the nation-state is a modern invention and is literally what the modern movement of nationalism is all against. You can read https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf if you want though note Rothbard's teacher, Mises, even suggested states be broken down to the municipality-level.

>>9420968
Previous to German unification (of 1871 not 1990) Germany was but a patchwork of states. This is the sort of future that both Hoppe and Moldbug would like to move towards (though Hoppe is more solidly an anarchist mind you). Moldbug someone who quite likes Emperor Meiji, the one who unified Japan. He also likes Thomas Carlyle. Meiji saw the constitution of Britain and thought it too limiting. He saw France and Spain as despotic. He then saw the Prussia and fashion Imperial Japan in its image.

Fundamentally Moldbug's work is a blog. It was dumb reflections of what was around him and the old books he was reading from Google Books. Above all else what he did was reinvent the state in an anti-statist paradigm. Watch a Hoppe lecture and he will autistcally detail the logical path to private property rights from the example of Robinson Crusoe and Friday. Unfortunately in the right-libertarian conception legitimate ownership is through either being an original appropriator of a resource or trading (without coercion) with a previous owner. There is literally not a place for public ownership and the idea seems paradoxical. Moldbug figured it out. Mises was once asked by which metric do we judge a country as capitalist or socialist. He replied 'has a stock exchange'.

The moldbuggian vision is that countries should be broken down into city-states. These states aren't states as such but private-stock companies. A patchwork land of Sovereign Corporations with King-CEOs. Now this where the Friedmans return. Patri Friedman, grandson of Milton, is the founder of the seasteading institute. Steadsteading is like the patchwork but also floating out of territorial waters. This connection is not tenuous as Moldbug was actually invited to a seasteading institute conference and was then later disinvited lol.

'Who should own countries?' becomes 'Who does own countries?'. Moldbug answers this with the plot of Yes, Minster (he literally tells his readers to watch that show). From Wikipedia:
>The different ideals and self-interested motives of the characters are frequently contrasted. Whilst Hacker occasionally approaches an issue from a sense of idealism and a desire to be seen to improve things, he ultimately sees his re-election and elevation to higher office as the key measures of his success. Accordingly, he must appear to the voters to be effective and responsive to the public will. To his party (and, in the first re-incarnation of the series, the Prime Minister) he must act as a loyal and effective party member. Sir Humphrey, on the other hand, genuinely believes that the Civil Service, being politically impartial, has the most realistic idea of what "good governance" means, and therefore knows what is best for the country — a belief shared by his bureaucratic colleagues.
In this program the shadow government is the civil service, the bureaucracy, the people with the same sort of job as Moldbug's parents.

>>9420970
Of course it cannot stop there. We've got the man but no motive, so to speak. As it turns out this is simple. Where do the bureaucrats get their ideas? Why, the universities of course! This follows naturally on to the journalists. Where do the press get their ideas? Why, the universities of course! It appears we've discovered the secret to State-Media collusion. Aside from being university pals, they simply believe the same things. To put it in Marxist terms, they share the same class ideology. Moldbug calls this the cathedral (which later becomes ironic with the unironic tradcaths trying to get in on the movement).

There is far more to Moldbug and NRx than this (like the Moldbug caste system) but this are a few of the important bits.
tl;dr
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/837735383198740481
https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/838222169968517121
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/843872900981645312

More like Dork Enlightenment.

>>9420965
>90's cyberindustrial vibe
>More Lain, less Drive.

Actually, i think Kode9 (who was associated with Land through the CCRU) really hit on this with Hyperdub imo. and that was like 5 years before vaporwave began.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-VmiLA3nqg
https://soundcloud.com/kodenine/kode9-mix-for-fact-magazine

>>9420968
>Moldbug someone who quite likes Emperor Meiji, the one who unified Japan. He also likes Thomas Carlyle. Meiji saw the constitution of Britain and thought it too limiting. He saw France and Spain as despotic. He then saw the Prussia and fashion Imperial Japan in its image.
Meiji didn't do any of those things. The restoration of Imperial rule was illusory; the Meiji government was an oligarchy run by samurai from Satsuma and Chōshū.

>>9420978
Yeah dude you have no idea how much I've listened to that Burial album. I've been getting more into hyperdub as well, mostly been on tempa/deep medi/DMZ artists in the past. Kode9 has written som stuff as well right? Been wanting to look at that as well.
This talk on the CCRU and modern electronic music by some of the ccru guys including the late Mark Fischer and kode9 is great.
https://soundcloud.com/ctm-festival/ctm13-death-of-rave-1-uk

Stop huffing glue and go to bed, Nick.

>>9420753
>Neoreactionaries are the latest in a long line of intellectuals who somehow think that their chosen authoritarian thugs wouldn't put them up against the wall.
The exact same thing could be said about modern leftists. At least the ones who romanticize the Soviet Union or really any violent revolution ever. I'd say the difference is they're so spineless and malleable that if any authoritarian figure with similar goals were to come after them for past microagressians or incorrect thoughts they would immediately submit and punish themselves.

>>9420938
I was specifically referring to the attitude those committed to revolution should take: a complete abandonment of hope in outside forces and the belief that the universe is actively working against you.

Essentially something like Nechayev's Revolutionary Catechism.

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https://urcc.space/manif.html

Do you kids like to go fast?

>>9420995
>https://urcc.space
What is that site?

What the fuck I've seen some posts here before but in another thread

>>9420984
>https://soundcloud.com/ctm-festival/ctm13-death-of-rave-1-uk
oh shit nice i'll check this out, been wanting something like this.

and lee gamble reminds me of PAN which you should check out if you haven't already. they've got similar vibes/approaches as other labels you've mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KInIGM1Xf0M

I honestly can't believe this is the same person who wrote Thirst for Annihilation, that book was incredible. Fuck, every time I decide to try to get into Land's later work I find myself marveling at how wrong one person can be about so many things. Maybe that's the point tho, I honestly can't tell desu

>>9420753
>quoting rationalwiki

>>9420968
>>9420970
No shit Land and Moldbug are ancaps, it's all they talk about, if you read Land's Dark Enlightenment he's basically just describing a form of anarcho-capitalism so deregulated, depraved, amoral, and completely anti-human and destructive that it makes Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash seem like the Paris Commune, I honestly have no idea why NeoCons and TradCaths are so attracted to their blogs, nor do I understand why White Nationalists like them, the only outcome of Land or Moldbugs ideas is complete human atomization and extinction as all human life is finally completely consumed by Capital and organic life is replaced by something synthetic. I really don't know how serious either one of them is at the end of the day, but it definitely, definitely skews more towards sincere then ironic. In a sense they're just what ancaps would look like if they were actually honest, if they admitted that Capitalism was inherently autocratic and racist, as opposed to jumping through all the typical Right Libertarian hoops of "civil liberty" and "inalienable rights".

>>9421007
Also, Nick Land and Moldbug should make a podcast where they record their skype calls, I think it would be pretty amazing.

>>9421007
Traditional Catholics and White Nationalists like to fantasize about authoritarian capitalism performing its proper role of crushing inferiors like women, blacks, SJWs, gays, etc. and restoring heroic, masculine, religious capitalists to their rightful positions of power.

>>9420873
As a programmer and stemfag, the reason we think we're smarter than everyone is because that is exactly what we're exposed to. Most people we meet that aren't programmers are drooling retards, or so it seems. This is a false perception, mostly because we're always talking about our shit and everyone else is out of their element. Simply put, they are incompetent. Programming does kind of mean you're a little more clever than the average bear, but it doesn't mean we're a superior race of autists. It just means that until Pajeet came along, we got paid more. There is, of course, a simple solution to this, and that is to get more leftists studying STEM so that we can have more people like RMS and less people like Bill Gates.

>>9420997
It's an exit.

Feels bad being a philo-brainlet and to have only ever finished A History of Western Philosophy.

This esoteric stuff sounds kind of funny.

>>9421011
Can someone get on this? @Outsideness? You know that faggot lurks on chans.

>>9421011
Can someone get on this? @Outsideness? You know that faggot lurks on chans.

>>9420995
Is this the opening scene from The Matrix? If I follow this link will I see how deep the rabbit hole goes? Are you Morpheus?

>>9420995
Is this the opening scene from The Matrix? If I follow this link will I see how deep the rabbit hole goes? Are you Morpheus?

>The enlightenment failure has been to begin its analysis of property from the problem of justification. This not only throws it into immediate ideological contention, submitting it to politics, and thus to relentless left-drift, it also places insurmountable obstacles in the path of rigorous understanding. To depart from an axiom of legitimate original property acquisition through work, as Locke does, is already proto-Marxist in implication, resting on philosophically hopeless metaphor, such as that of ‘mixing’ labor with things. It is property that defines work (over against non-productive behavior), not the inverse. As Hurlock notes, Moldbug’s approach is the correct one. ‘Property’ — as a social category — is a legitimation of control. It cascades conceptually from sovereignty, and not from production.

>These matters will inevitably become intellectually pressing, due to the current technocommercial restoration of money, exemplified by the innovation of Bitcoin (in its expansive sense, as the blockchain). Control is undergoing cryptographic formalization, from which all consistent apprehension of ‘property’ will follow. Property, in the end, is not sociopolitical recognition of rights, but keys. What you can lock and unlock is yours. The rest is merely more or less serious talk, that only contingently compiles. This is what hacker culture has already long understood in its specific (thedish) usage of ‘owned’. There’s no point crying to the government about having paid good money for your computer, if Nerdgodz or some other irritating 15-year-old is running it as a Bitcoin-mining facility from his mother’s basement. The concreteness of ‘might is right’ once looked like a parade ground, but increasingly it is running functional code.

b-b-but he's ancap!

>>9421030
From where are you quoting?

>>9421030
>>9421033
That was a dumb moment, found it.

>>9420995
Can someone post the one of this, you know the one?

>>9420866
I don't remember where I read this, but apparently Manuel DeLanda was at a roundtable he set up and his response to his spiel basically amounted to "the fuck are you talking about"

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>>9420950

>Evola

>>9420837
How would Deleuze react if he could see what Land is up to? Would he throw himself out the window again?

>>9421041
I really want to see that. Did you just read about it, or was it caught on tape?

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There is just something enchanting about his drug fueled writing, as if a demon wrote it :). Odd.

bampity

https://www.viewpointmag.com/2017/03/28/the-darkness-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-artificial-intelligence-and-neoreaction/

>>9420938
>>9420992
Also, fuck off with all this magical mystical bullshit. You know where Kek got /pol/? It made them the neglected cock-slaves of a former reality TV star who completely abandoned them. It's this kind of navel-gazing, head-into-asshole-inserting bullshit that's left us where we are today.

I mean seriously, I'd like to know what people think worshiping an amalgam of misinterpreted Egyptian mythology has done for /pol/ other than give them the illusion that they've accomplished something.

>>9420885
>Speculative Realism
>not a dumb fad

>>9420885
>Speculative Realism
>not a dumb fad

>>9421048
got samples?

>>9421064
Check out Thirst for Destruction. "As if a demon wrote it" is apt.

>>9420837
Bataille was still a Marxist (of sorts) in the end though.

Land has forgotten his roots and has gone full blown Nietzschean.

>>9421004
>Maybe that's the point tho

A part of me still believes that Land is a double agent working to destroy neoreaction from within.

>>9421004
>Maybe that's the point tho

A part of me still believes that Land is a double agent working to destroy neoreaction from within.

NRx stuff is fun to read.
Nick Land in particular is interesting because he seems to have come from a continental-postmodern-left background, but then follows that train of thought far past all the boundaries of moralfaggy leftist ethics.

I like his essay 'Lure of the Void', which is all about space exploration and space nazis, and where he talks about the need for blowing up the earth to harvest resources for space travel
https://themigrationperiod.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/nicklandlureofvoid.pdf
excerpt:
Conspicuously missing from the public space debate, therefore, is any frank admission that, “(let’s face it
folks)—planets are misallocations of matter which don’t really work. No one wants to tell you that, but
it’s true. You know that we deeply respect the green movement, but when we get out there onto the
main highway of solar-system redevelopment, and certain very rigid, very extreme environmentalist
attitudes—Gaian survivalism, terrestrial holism, planetary preservationism, that sort of thing—are
blocking the way forward, well, let me be very clear about this, that means jobs not being created,
businesses not being built, factories closing down in the asteroid belt, growth foregone. Keeping the
earth together means dollars down the drain—a lot of dollars, your dollars. There are people, sincere
people, good people, who strongly oppose our plans to deliberately disintegrate the earth. I understand
that, really I do, you know—honestly—I used to feel that way myself, not so long ago. I, too, wanted to
believe that it was possible to leave this world in one piece, just as it has been for four billion years now.
I, too, thought the old ways were probably best, that this planet was the place we belonged, that we
should—and could—still find some alternative to pulling it apart. I remember those dreams, really I do,
and I still hold them close to my heart. But, people, they were just dreams, old and noble dreams, but
dreams, and today I’m here to tell you that we have to wake up. Planets aren’t our friends. They’re
speed-bumps on the road to the future, and we simply can’t afford them anymore. Let’s back them up
digitally, with respect, yes, even with love, and then let’s get to work …” [Thunderous applause]

>>9421065
Thirst for Annihilation, rather.

>>9420938
>>9420950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGKh7K-GI5g

We should embrace Judaic Messianism, just to really spook /pol/yps and neoreactionaries.

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Nick's the name, speed's the game.

>>9420965
>fucking mystifying
how is it mystifying? stem and capitalism go hand in hand, especially when it comes to programming. just look at silicon valley.
t. ex-programmer

>>9421065
>>9421077
>"the abrasion of his writing shears uselessly across my inarticulacy"
His writing seems unbelievably empty and pretentious. And I eat Baudrillard's books for breakfast, I assume y'all think Baudrillard is the "postmodernist" one.

>>9420837
What's the deal with Bataille?
I read some of his short stories, I know there are some religious allegories behind the erotic stuff, but I don't get it.

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>>9420926
>lets constantly undermine all norms of all kinds and destroy all fixed ideas in order to alienate everyone as much as is possible
GARDURAL MARGZIZM :DDDDDD

>>9421087
>What's the deal with Bataille?
I'm not sure, but he is on to something. I've read Eroticism twice and I'm still trying to figure it out. His fundamental argument in eroticism is grounded in a weird mix of anthropology and philosophy, as well as some Freudian understanding of the sexual element.
If you want to try getting into him, then start with Literature and Evil, move onto the Accursed Share and then Eroticism. Also get some background knowledge about Hegel, Mauss and Marx.

>>9421082
I mean, it's not that mystifying if you spend just a minute thinking about it. First of all you're right with referring to Silicon valley and the general role of technology in industrial capitalism, secondly they also practically fill the role in society that industrial workers - who have a good track record of being either organized lefties or huge reactionaries - used to fill.
I think there's two parts to why I think it's so counter-intuitive to what one could've expected.
One is that - even though it's the modern "industrial" worker - it's still an intellectual field, where you need (or, not need, but the default is having) a college degree. This means that a lot of the people out of most reactionary modern culture are college educated, which strikes me as at least counter-intuitive, if not exactly mystefying (although it probably shouldn't either).
Secondly it's because of those counter-cultures rooted in the liberatory strength of computers and especially the internet - the pirates, hacker culture and the foss culture - that I at least expected to fill a larger role in society.

>>9421087
Read Visions of Excess, The Accursed Share, Erotism, Inner Experience

He was quite an interesting thinker

>>9421093
>This means that a lot of the people out of most reactionary modern culture are college educated
Yeah, but we're talking about STEM who have their education limited to their field. I know personally that people in these fields are actually very poorly educated politically, I've seen it again and again, anything from randian math professors to really authoritarian geographers. I think the reason why they tend towards such politics is because they approach the world purely as a technical problem. So technocrats, economists, bureaucrats and/or tech corporations are the good guys, sociologists and philosophers are just stupid loonies in the way. Their disdain for humanities is only what pushes them further to the right.
>>9421093
>those counter-cultures rooted in the liberatory strength of computers and especially the internet - the pirates, hacker culture and the foss culture
But generally it was always kinda (anarcho-)capitalist when you listen to those early tech utopians. I think Adam Curtis shows some of that in his documentaries. The usual idea was that politics will become obsolete and we will be totally liberated as entrepreneurs and consumers while computers will automate the job of politicians. To an extent this has come true today.
Pirating always tended towards being just a more convenient consumerism.
While hackers always seemed more of a lumpenproletariat, doing shit for the lulz and just to survive, but not really developing a political view.
The only exception is the free software movement which actually had a lot of leftists, although today they were replaced by liberals, just like humanities is full of liberals. "FOSS" should really be separated into "free software" on the one hand, which came first, and then "open source" on the other, which was an attempt to replace the free software movement with something more business-friendly.

>>9421096
I largely agree with you, I was merely explaining why that belief was my intuitive thought. There are definitely good and strong explanations - both cultural and material - for the state and culture of STEM and especially programmers and IT culture.
I also agree that the distinction between OSS and FOSS is important - which is why I included the F - although slightly less important now as OSS seems to have been (or at the very least, in the process of being) diluted out of the culture with the increased awareness of software freedom. The only large OSS software projects I can think of just off the cuff are Android, Chrome and RHEL, though I'm sure there are more.
With regards to pirate culture, I actually disagree with you. I think you're focusing a bit too much on those who utilized piracy, at the - as you frame it - consumer end. The people who actually did the pirating or participated in the early pirate culture definitely had a political streak to them, if only it was a basic anti-copyright anti-corporate sentiment.
I also think that both in the case of the piracy culture and in the black hat communities, you're mistaking not being leftist with not being subversive. None of these communities are explicitly leftist, they have more in common with insurrectionary individualists, but I still think it's noteworthy - if only as a contrast to the inane STEM-style reactionary thinking that it's been replaced with.

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>>9421004
Could you name some examples about him being wrong?

>>9421084
>whence the possibility of an ideological analysis of Disneyland…

>>9421074
That's an interesting essay which seems to show Land isn't really an an-cap even in his current neoreactionary incarnation. Seems he's more like a utilitarian who doesn't want to optimize happiness or any other measure of human-well being, but just wants to optimize for the endless growth of complex technological civilization, up to and beyond the point where transhuman AI takes over the reigns.

Weird that he still advocates Moldbug-style neocameralism in most situations though, the business world notoriously sucks at investing in any long-range technological ideas that are unlikely to pay off within a few years, which is why big projects like the internet and nuclear fusion research and such are always government-funded, something he seems to acknowledge in the essay when it comes to space travel. Not to mention that in our current finance-driven capitalism, massive amounts of corporate profits are not actually invested back into expanded production or new product research (or even paying the salaries of wealthy executives so they can buy goods like mansions and sports cars), but just end up sitting in bank accounts and increasing the perceived values of corporate shares (and also being used in arcane 'financial engineering' schemes to increase the market value of shares), doing nothing towards the goal of building the machines that will eventually convert the Earth into a cloud of orbiting supercomputers or whatever.

Some faggot is copying posts from here to 4chan's /lit/

Is he right?

http://xynchroni.city/posts/11

TL;DR:
>1. Artificial intelligence cannot be stopped.
>2. Initiatives (cl)aiming to "stop AI" will either fail to slow or actively hasten it.
>3. Attempting to subtly influence the development of AI is a waste of time.
>4. Other people have already figured out 1, 2, & 3 and chosen not to tell anyone.

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>>9421147
>>1. Artificial intelligence cannot be stopped.
>>2. Initiatives (cl)aiming to "stop AI" will either fail to slow or actively hasten it.
>>3. Attempting to subtly influence the development of AI is a waste of time.
>>4. Other people have already figured out 1, 2, & 3 and chosen not to tell anyone.

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>>9421155

>so that the left stands for light and order while the right for darkness and chaos.

You're so close to being a writer for Jacobin Magazine, it's uncomfortable.

>>9421161
If you think I am one of LessWrong you are mistaken, I was joking as I dislike LessWrong. For starters they hold the belief that humans can be improved i.e. that you can overcome cognitive biases and become more rational. The first is declared largely impossible by cognitive scientists and the latter is only possible up to a point. When it comes to human nature I am more of a conservative as I do not think human nature can be improved all that much. Perhaps I am biased that way but I also base this on biology. If you read psychology and related subjects, the brain is plastic, personality can change a bit, but most of it is genetic, heritable. For brain plasticity, for those interested, the famous example is that of taxi drivers. One scientist wrote that the brain should be seen as firmware instead of hardware or software.

That LessWrong have a high share of people with autism is perfectly possible if you read the experts on autism such as Simon Baron-Cohen or Christopher Badcock. Utilitarianism, which LessWrong seemingly loves is apparently associated with autism. My next issue with LessWrong is transhumanism, I think it is bound to go wrong. We are already seeing that AI is copying human biases. I could see a similar thing happening with transhumanism. People have ideas of what a better human would [emphasis] be, but that doesn’t mean it will [emphasis] be.

I do not know enough about how AI works, but I worry more about it being biased so far as to it being malevolent.

As for LessWrong I don’t think it truly has died. I think it is part of the Silicon Valley ideology together with neoreaction and that we will hear more about it and that Silicon Valley will be exporting these ideologies that spawn from there more and more.

>>9421204
If the idea that the brain is more like firmware, do you think a biased AI would be guided (in the lesswrong sense) to update the firmware in "inferior" hardware by advancing humanity in a transhumanist age where such fixes can be made to the brain or body and it is done out of the AI's sense of making sure humans/hardware are all near-equal at their maximum potential?
Like AI is a nerd building everyone as sick mod-cases?

...or is your idea of bias in AI that it will seek to undermine (possibly destroy) everyone it sees as less-optimized/inferior?

>>9421274
No idea about that to be honest. What do you think?

>>9421286
pfff, in the idea of lesswrong and guiding AI to be benevolent and pro-human...if it were to rule over us and we would have place as something of value, I think from the AI's perspective it would make a lot of sense in getting humans to a transhuman stage.
The idea that with the AI's biases it would see some as less-optimal, it would be very appealing to upgrade them to reach the standard of the optimized ones instead of wiping them out and start baby-factories to push maximum eugenical potential to get the most optimized versions.
It would make a lot of sense that with the knowledge that AI already is biased, that you would try to guide it to the idea not just of optimization, but also into specialization.
Like the cab drivers are a kind of case-mod with different specialization and it's firmware has largely been modded with biological brain growth(=hardware, I suppose?).
This would also give place to the idea of individualization in a transhumanist age where you are modded, but there is a standard firmware developed and constantly supported, patched, tweaked until another transhumanist age comes where the hardware and firmware will be upgraded by the benevolent AI and may even join in the AI.
This way the idea is AI sees that less-optimized people or with less-optimized traits will basically have a minimum spec list for being able to "run the firmware" and it will try to guide humanity into technology or biology that can alter the less-optimized to be an entry-level budget build.
Further optimization and modding is due to the individual's personal efforts and thus you get a specialization that would be desirable from an AI's perspective.

The other idea is of course destroy all humans or mass eugentical bio farms if humans were to hold a place in the AI's idea of progress, but that's speculative and Landian.

>>9420970

>>9420968

Great summery.

>>9420421
What is this ? Is it a compilation of what it's already available on the internet ? Where did you get these images ?

Also what other shit should I read except moldbug's introduction and this ? Is there something like the less wrong sequences ?

>>9420958
holy shit

>>9420880
What's the source on Land being a drugged-out maniac? I'm familiar with that quote about his 90s work being a product of amphetamines but what makes you so certain he's still using?

>>9422430
You are replying to a leftypol fag, one anon copied parts of the thread from there to here

>>9422430
>>9422470
I mean not parts: all of it.

>>9420421
Is this really getting published?

>>9420880
my favorite leftyfags are the ones who simultaneously want global revolution and think it's bad for a philosopher to lose their cushy academic job

Do we have any confirmation on OP's pics? What's the publisher, if there's any? Image search brings nothing

>>9422729
Urbanomic

>>9422795
Although the cover design of Dark Enlightenment is consistent with those of urbanomic publications, neither the publication page nor Twitter have anything about this stuff - and they're not exactly shy about pushing their new stuff. Let's hope this is a """leak"""

I have absolutely no idea what is going in this thread other than that it reminds of Deus Ex for some reason.

wew land

>>9421006
this holy shit

>>9423101
But why?

>be me
>see nick land get memed on /lit/
>it makes warhammer 40k sound almost heterosexual to a casual observer
>whatever
>/lit/ keeps memeing him
>actually take the time to read some of his stuff
>it's even worse

>>9423449

Kek

>>9426100
you just don't get it, retard. it's too deep for you

>>9420932
yes

>>9420753
>Neoreactionaries are the latest in a long line of intellectuals who somehow think that their chosen authoritarian thugs wouldn't put them up against the wall.

If we're talking about Nick Land's style of nrx, it's more like he thinks robotic authoritarianism is inevitable and we should all be doing everyhing we can now to avoid being put up against the wall when it happens.

>>9428628
every radical ideologue thinks their ideas are "inevitable". they're always wrong

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>>9420977
underrated

>>9421000
yeah it's called pasta you dumb fuck.

>>9428628

>Neoreactionaries are the latest in a long line of intellectuals who somehow think that their chosen authoritarian thugs wouldn't put them up against the wall.

Says state-worshiping socialists lmao.

>>9420880
>started believing in eugenics and fascism
Stopped reading. You clearly have never read him.

The majority of this thread is copy and pasted from /leftypol/.

>>9428759
No it is this:
>>9429703
>>9421110
>>9422470
>>9422478

>>9420938
The new spook is already here. It is called Islam.

>>9430190
>The new spook is already here. It is called Islam.
Holy shit, anon, were you born yesterday?

>>9430412
No, I was born 15 years ago

I don't know how /lit/ managed it but this somehow managed to be even worse than the last CCRU thread.

>>9430567
That thread was good though so it's easy to be worse