Why does it make people invisible?

>>9395364
Because magic?

>>9395364
It harnesses the natural phenomenon that happens when girls look in OP's direction.

>>9395366
K. Even then the magic should be able to explain it. Why it happens, or why it was made to happen. There will still be some kind of conversation to it

Because they are no longer viable sexual partners, and all people relate to others only by their usefulness.

>>9395371
this

>>9395364
Because the ring is a thing of darkness. It doesn't hide one's shadow

Also how come it didn't make Sauron invisible?

>>9395364
It doesn't make people invisible, only hobbits. It heightens the wearer's natural power. So a hobbit, which is a weak but sneaky creature, turns invisible. But Galadriel would have her power magnified a hundredfold by the ring, to the point where she could 1v1 Sauron himself.

>>9395468
It actually makes him visible. Remember how he was nowhere to be seen in the books?

>>9395512
Cool. Never knew that.

>>9395364

Because Tolkien was making up shit as he writing.

>>9395512
Didn't Aragorn's dad turn invisible when he jumped into the river? He was no Hobbit.

>>9395597
Bump 4 answers

It doesn't. It makes people less visible in the "normal world", but makes them stand out more in the "world" that the Nazgul inhabit.

The entire purpose of the ring, when not being worn by Sauron, is essentially to get itself back to Sauron.

>>9395512
This is pasta

It's (likely) inspired by Ring of Gyges. You'd know this if you had actually read the Greeks.

>>9395736
Actually it was inspired by the downvote-system on reddit but whatever you say... -.-

>>9395740
Have my kids

>>9395364
In my opinion, it's an illusion to moral corruption similar to the story about the Ring of Gyges by Plato.

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>>9395753
Fuck me, I can't believe I had to scroll down this far to see the correct answer.

>>9395764
this just blew my mind, how could I have missed the connection before

>>9395753
allusion*

Literally all these posts are wrong, go read what tolkien had to say about this he explains it in one of his letters

his daughter picked the power and he rolled with it

>>9395512
Holy shit this could be fucking true

>>9395753
>Ring of Gyges
First time seeing this, it should be mentioned everywhre

>>9395676
so thats its whole power? how does that bind the others?

>>9395629

Film, not book canon.

>>9395371
Laughed in school cafeteria fuck you anon

>>9396006
it binds the other wearers of the other rings of power to him (except for the elven ones, since he never got them)

>>9396154
The other wearers of the rings of power also has dominion over their people. So Sauron or anyone else with a strong enough will to dominate could use the ring to rule those people.

Why is this thread still alive? This is the only correct answer

>>9395753

it moves you to the world of spirits. this has been discussed before.

>>9396251
>muh Plato

>>9395512
I remember in the rankin bass cartoon, and i think the book (its been a while) that it promises Sam he will be a great warrior, and allows him to battle his way to save Frodo after the spider attack.

I liked that

>>9396280
>thinking that you can avoid discussing Plato when debating western literature/philosophy

>>9396377
Plato was just a meme smith.

>>9396382
Pleb. Keep enjoying watching the shadows dancing on the cave wall

>>9396389
There you go with one of his memes.

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>>9395512
then what the fuck happened when Tom bombadill put it on

>>9396464
he probably did another one of his jigs, sang a song, and fucked off

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>>9396464

>>9395371
Underrated

>>9395597

Isildur is about 2000 years too old to be Aragorn's dad, but otherwise yes. Traveling north after kicking Sauron's ass, his entourage is attacked by orcs and wrecked. Isildur escapes by putting on the ring and turning invisible, and tries to swim over the river. But he has an elven jewel on his brow, the shine of which can't be hidden by the Ring, so the orc archers see him and he gets shot.

tl;dr yes, the Ring turns also humans invisible.

>>9397060
>But he has an elven jewel on his brow, the shine of which can't be hidden by the Ring
You went full pleb right there, anon. That ain't what happened. Why you lie?

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>>9395364
Can we agree once and for all that Sauron was right?

>>9396586
Fucking Tom, losing the enemy's weapon

>>9395364
>it's based on the ring of Gyges

>>9395364
Because heroic fantasy is shit.

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>>9396382
>just

>>9395512
That's actually one of the most interesting parts about LOTR and pretty powerful insurance for Sauron. Gandalf refused to even hold the ring because, being a Maia, he does posess great power, and, knowing what the ring was capable of, was terrified of becoming corrupted and joining the forces of Sauron. Hell, even his hidden motive for killing Smaug was that he feared what would happen should Sauron ever take control. The effects that the ring has on powerful beings essentially meant that the only sort of individual who could carry the ring for years to Mordor without feeling the more dramatic effects of it would absolutely have to be someone who was otherwise small and weak and of no great significance (aka a hobbit)

The fact that the only creature that could destroy the ring would have to be someone who inherently had in incredibly small chance of victory (even given the already low chances of victory) is a really interesting angle.

>>9396586
Tom is probably lowkey a super high level Maiar

>>9398411
The Maiar / Valar don't have a predetermined shape, they can literally look however the fuck they want, Sauron changes his appearance multiple times in the thousands of years leading up to LOTR, he probably looked something like that when he was learning to forge though

>>9395364
so you, the reader, can't see what he's up to

>>9396586
Ole tom "van zant" mah niggah bombadill.

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>>9395371

>>9395364
The level of pseud in this thread is incredible. How a person learns the word Maiar without seeming to ever have read the books at all is an essay on pretense and shallow thought.

>>9399392
That's exactly what Tom is.
>>9399462
>pseud
>essay on pretense and shallow thought
Irony is lost on you...but that's ok: school's out for tha summer, amirite?

>>9399591
>outlining ironic circumstances somehow means that the irony is lost on you
You compensating for something, kid?

>>9399611
Uh-oh! The poster above me is buttflustered! And he still hasn't clued in to his ironic tone-deafness......
Lemme spell it out: using the term 'pseud' is an indicator of pseudo-intellectual thinking, at best; at worst, it shows yer a memeing troll. Either way, (You) are demonstrating how pretentious and shallow you are....

>>9397060
NOT CANON
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But that's a good point, what trait did the ring amplify in men?

How can elves even compete?

>>9399674
>what trait did the ring amplify in men?
Whichever trait was the most corruptive.

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>>9399667
>anon considers this a refutation
The irony of you not recognizing irony is not lost on me.

>>9399687
if the ring was really corruptive it would have turned the Kings of Men into traps, not Ringwraiths

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>>9399710
OH! You were just PRETENDING to be stupid? Well - why didn't you say so?

>>9399919
Dropping an obvious flag like
>kid
should have been an obvious reference for you, and dropping it in this way does not constitute "pretending" to be anything.

>>9398473
But what is the "just"?

>>9398110

The full description of the events is given in Unfinished Tales. Go read it.

>>9399674

It's Tolkien's own notes, how the fuck is it not canon? I'm sorry to ruin your fanfic theory, but it's not right.

>>9400026
As in, a memesmith of that calibre is nothing to scoff at sir. To me, "just" in that context implied "merely".

>>9397060
Wasn't what happened something along the lines of the ring abandoning Isildur? Like how it slipped off Gollums finger? How else would you explain the ring sinking to the bottom of the river?

>>9400354

No, that was movie narrative. The Ring ended up in the river, because Isildur died in the river and it sank with his corpse.

>>9400360
They also had to drive home the point in the movie the Ring is an entity in itself and that it should not be relied upon.

>>9400360
I thought corpses floated.

>>9400567
Wearing armour and clothing fucks with the flotation.

>>9400611
You can swim in armour. Dunno if that means you can float in it though.

>>9400612
You can also swim in clothing, but it will drag you down if you don't put in the effort. Armour is also a bunch of extra weight. So naturally you would sink if someone shot you to death with arrows.

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>>9400567
>>9400611
>>9400612
>>9400624

>>9395736
I believe it's inspired in a Nord Mythology epic about greed or something

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You guise

What would happen

If like

One of the Eagles wore the ring???

>>9400802
The eagles fly the Ring to Mordor.

>>9395364

Because shame in Tolkein's epistemology is due to social sanction and is the primary enforcer of moral behaviour, thus invisibility - going unseen from society's eye - frees one from social sanction due to one's action, frees one from shame, frees one from the neccesity of maintaining rightness of action.

>>9400826

And found america?

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>>9395371

>>9399713
that was the effect of the nine rings that Sauron gave them, not of the One Ring

>>9400919
Dwarves apparently became greedier, but the rest of the other races couldn't tell.

>>9401084
Why do Dwarves have Scottish accents if they're so clearly Jewish?

>>9401091
I guess because Scotts and Jews are basically the same thing?

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>>9399986
So, you weren't pretending....gotcha!

>>9400289
The Ring betrayed Isildur, not some elf trinket. Why do I even have to say this? Your head canon is trying to rewrite Tolkien...

>>9400295
>It's Tolkien's own notes, how the fuck is it not canon
Erm...by not being IN THE CANON? You should know what words mean before you use them. "Notes" and "canon" are not equivalent words.

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>>9400863
Good post.

>>9401624
Do you have any actual criticism, or is memetic parody all you can manage?

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It's still butthurt - can't make this up.

>>9401719
>gotta deflect, it's all I've got
>butthurt, haha, BTFO

>>9400863
Nah, it's just magic, mate.

>>9401668
It's a terrible post. It doesn't answer anything.

>>9395753
>Ring of Gyges by Plato.
This, plus there's an item that makes people invisible in the Nibelungelied, a story in which a ring happens to be a big deal.

>>9401645

Isildur's death was not described in any of your "canon" works. Still, Tolkien had a clear idea what happened to him and he wrote it down. I think he and his son are more qualified to decide what's canon than you are.

>>9402152
Tolkien never says it's canon, he says it was his intention. An author's intention and canon are different things; the whole purpose of the concept of canon is that it is only comprised of canonical works.

Not the person you responded to, by the way.

>>9400863
Tolkien thought that allegory was a shitty narrative technique and was for the most part literal with most of his storytelling.

>>9402234
Isn't lotr partially an allegory for conservationism?

>>9402175
>Tolkien never says it's canon

Because nobody sane thinks in terms of "canon" and "non-canon" about his own shit

>>9402280
Yeah, you either put it in your canon or you don't.

Like, are you confusing "canon" for "legitimate" or some shit? Because you're getting really butflustered over a straightforward use of the word.

>>9402250
I don't know about that. It's written as a prehistoric mythology that leads up to the kind of world we ourselves live in because that's was what Tolkien enjoyed.

He basically just took his hobby and applied it to a novel.

>>9402234
>>9402250
>>9402726

>conservationism
>they don't even know what allegory means

why am I surprised

>>9400707

Are you retarded?

>>9402250
No, Tolkien despised allegory and thought the story should be judged purely by it's merits and themes, he was a pretty traditional dude, secure in his faith and lived though a war fueled by industrialization and had a history with linguistics and made a pretty lit story, that's pretty much it. The other details come from Tolkien as who he was as a person, not so much with authorial intent

>>9395571
u r shit

>>9398438
ur a shit

>>9395371
kek'd twice

>>9395364
Why didn't Frodo just head West, away from Mordor and the bad guys?

>>9400360
The ring betrayed Isildur, you double brainlet mong. In the book it is said to have slipped off his finger, and the Orcs could see him swimming, and stuck him full of arrows.This was related by Elrond in the Council of Elrond chapter. Why spout bogus shit. Please step into the sunlight.

>>9395364

It is probably not intended as direct reference to the ring of Gyges tale, but it seems like every western writer and their mom always, always draw from Plato wherever they go (understandably so, for better or worse). It draws a parallel to morality being a social construct only very superficially: the ring has little inherent power (although being invisible is cool) that justifies any action, unlike the Gyges tale. I think Tolkien probably drew a more specific parallel to human corruption such as being too greedy leaves you with empty hands or something like that, but I'm not going to attempt understanding a war veteran's rambling in two sentences.

Basically when one puts on the ring, they fall back to the ring's domain, which is that of wraiths. Since Sauron is a Maia (tl;dr of it: literally the holy spirit), his true form is that of a wraith, he only exists within this alternate reality. That giant Ironclad armor wearing the xboxhueg sword and the ring? Just a construct, an artificial body to carry Sauron's will in the literal sense to the world of lesser beings.

The ring probably holds a different effect also for other Maia such as Gandalf and Saruman (though I don't remember the explanation for them having fleshy bodies) but not so much for Middle-earth beings (even Galadriel) since they don't even exist where the power of the ring resides (the wraith world). So everyone is literally chasing nothing during the whole book, since Sauron was the one true wearer of the ring at any time, and he took extra measure to make sure the ring itself would remind everyone of this. Destroying it was the only solution all the time, and everyone not going for it was doing so either out of blind greed or ignorance.

>>9403670
It would have found its way to someone powerful again. Outside of the Shire it would simply attract thieves and robbers, then leaders, and eventually kings who would fight other kings, and the one ring would be back in business. Giving it back to Smeagol would be more preferable than that, at least he hid in a cave his whole life.

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>>9395571
>making shit up as he was writing


yeah, its called fiction dumbass

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>>9403455
No, I just get lost really easily during in-depth analyses of literature. I was just completely unable to cognitively deal with the immensity of the enthralling debate about DOES ARMOUR HEAVY IN WATER?

>>9403739
>It is probably not intended as direct reference to the ring of Gyges tale
good post, but I question whether Tolkien wouldn't be well-read enough to see the parallels in his own work. Surely even if he didn't push the comparison much, he was aware of the connections.

>>9404237
It is much more intentionally riffing off the Nibelungenlied.

>>9403677
>double brainlet mong

Man, I don't know why you keep replying to me when you obviously don't know anything about the lore. You accuse me of making up shit while making up shit of your own. Unfortunately, I have actual facts to back up my posts that literally anyone can go check out at any time. There's an entire chapter titled "the Death of Isildur" in Unfinished Tales, written by the original author himself. Why do you refuse reality? Just stop.

>>9402515
>Yeah, you either put it in your canon or you don't.

Then why do you arbitrarily exclude parts of that canon by some other criteria?

>>9404514
I don't. Do you know what "canon" means?

>>9396586

I think what Tolkien was actually getting at with this is that the ring is basically fueled by darkness and corruption that exists within living things
Tom is unaffected by the ring because he simply has none of that not because he is just so powerful although I suppose Tolkien probably meant that was the ultimate power all along

This thread is a cesspit of plebes and rubes. Give Tolkien some respect and study it properly.

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>>9404710
this isn't an anime mate

>>9395753
oooooh

oooooooooo

i should start with the greeks

>>9395364
It's real fucking simple: It puts you into the "spirit" world. Creatures like Sauron and the elves are spiritual beings who also manifest in the physical world, so giving them the ring would not turn them invisible, because they are already on both planes

>>9395371
what's funny about this

Are all these replies from jaded 40 year olds

>>9405443
Nah, most people just understand jokes.

>>9404710
Not 'fueled by', but 'fueled'.

>>9404507
>Unfinished Tales
Dude...duuuuuuude...reread that title again.......then tell us where this book fits in relation to the The Lord Of The Rings......
Is it a superior rendering of the work? Or supplemental? Oh, and who put that UT book together and published it? Was it JRR??? Was that book using finished material for its source? Or was it collating a bunch of random unpolished notes?
You should think just a bit more critically, son.