Anti-Capitalist literature

>>9395291
What's that site?

Anticapitalism is dumb as shit. Capitalism has to be followed to its end to give birth to the next thing.

Real niggers are accelerationist like Marx.

>>9395291
Might as well read Revolt Against The Modern World.

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>>9395291

>>9395291
I suggest you take the redpill instead.

>>9395311
pff

>>9395291
American Foreign Policy and Its Thinkers by Perry Anderson

The Agony of the American Left by Christopher Lasch

The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul

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>>9395291
>paying for anticapitalist books
priceless

>>9395472
insightful, but didn't age well, the rich are the ones who have super busy and productive lives, now it's the poor who have too much leisure as they try to find a full time or even part time job

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>>9395505
>What is intellectual curiosity
>What is independent thought
>"muh how can you complain about slavery. You're shackles were made under slavery, peasant!
>picrelated

wow, it must be difficult being that retarded.

>>9395291
Mein Kampf
Adolf Hitler

>>9395544
yeh yeh ok, that's nice, right, but the doesn't make it any less funny, faggot.

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>>9395469
It's true though.

All these little antifa kids should be out shilling for globalist corporations.

Which I guess they are doing, in a way.

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There's some more detailed ones out, but this is good for starting.

>>9395544
The image you posted is a good response to arguments like "haha look at these protesters with their smartphones and shit", but buying anticapitalist literature from capitalists (especially major international multibillionaire corporations like Amazon) is a bit iffy, especially when you can get them for free by pirating, loaning them from a local library, or at least buying them from some smaller local left-orientated bookstore/organization.

>>9396519
I guess you're right. If you know of any co-operative bookstores or left leaning distributionaries I can purchase these books from it'd be greatly appreciated.

My point stands because anon was being a bootlicking faggot.

>>9396489
>No Kropotkin

Good list though.

>>9395311
wtf is accelerationism
is it a meme

>>9396489
this list is tight af

Read Lenin

>>9395291
You forgot theories of surplus value

Das Kapital ist a terrible book for newbies. It's high-level economic theory, it's endgame stuff really and there isn't much of a point to read it without some deeper knowledge on history and theory of economics.

Read some secondary literature that gives you a broad overview over these topics

>>9395291
The Conquest Of Bread is an indispensable theory book for anarchists

>>9396691
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

>>9396744
or you could follow these lectures:

http://davidharvey.org/reading-capital/

>>9395291
Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Schumpeter. Agrees with Marx that capitalism will collapse, but doesn't agree with the manner in which that will happen and what will take its place.

>>9396691

According to Marxist theory, the downfall of capitalism will be brought upon by the inherent contradictions at it's core. Accelerationism is the idea that the more you exacerbate these contradictions, the quicker the revolution will come.
This is done by voting for right-wing politicians, supporting unregulated markets, shit like that.

>>9396871
Its a relatively retarded idea in real life in the 21th century.

Might work if it could really be pulled through but it can't, authoritarian capitalism exists and the porkies have so much power over politics that they'll keep their system running until it is stopped or - literally - civilization collapses (and that collapse won't create space for a communist utopia)

>>9396489

>Check library catalog online(includes another dozen or so libraries they trade with)
>Only have Lenin and Marx
>Buy books or wait forever for them to be shipped from universitys

Is this bourgeois suppression of ideas?

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Empire by hardt and negri

no logo by klein

hegemony and socialist strategy by laclau and mouffe

I get nostalgic for the late 90's sometimes. these books really seemed to capture the zeitgeist of the far left in that era

>>9396910
>civilization collapses (and that collapse won't create space for a communist utopia)
Pre-civilised societies pretty much were communist utopias.

>>9396921
You can get any book you want free. You're just not looking hard enough.

>>9396928
Got me there, though that could be argued.

*modern civilization collapses due to environmental factors, or running out of energy, or war, or something nasty like that

I can't see this creating any large scale utopia. Maybe there'll be groups living in an anarchist small scale organization.

But maybe everyone is ded or maybe we just lose industrialization and get some sort of fucked up feudalism again, once the amount of people is small enough to find space for that.

>>9396871
The end of planet's life is literally more likely if we follow accelerationism and we don't disrupt the system.

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>>9396925
the "alt-right" remind me of the left in the late 90's minus video games and other assorted infantile faggotry. I miss those days

>watching a vhs of riots at the genoa G8 summit whilst pouring over "sublime object of ideology". men were men. women were women. skunk was acapulco gold crossed to columbian gold crossed to afghan, ecstasy was poor quality and the internet was still cool

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LMAO @ This entire thread and it's posters. You guys are MAX plebeians. You should first be Capitalists before renouncing it! Especially the bourgeois college scum in this thread.

The rest of you plebs need to read the works by E. Michael Jones. "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit" and then his anti-usury manifesto "Barren Metal". Of course the weak minded beta bitch boys in this thread will immediately recoil at the orthodox Catholicism and anti-Jewry stances in both books.

>>9395503
>The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul
Only intelligent person in this thread, even though the book specifically says that technique is advanced regardless of political philosophy inherent in a country so don't know if you actually read it senpai.

>>9396921
Dude, you're living in the PDF world. Photocopies or bust.

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>>9396973
>"The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit" and then his anti-usury manifesto "Barren Metal"
>beta bitch boys
>LMAO
>@
>college scum

what is it like to have your entire being so over-coded with epic meemees

>>9396921
everything on that list can be pirated in seconds

>>9395291
It would be better to read the Marx-Engels Reader than to read the entirety of Capital. Also:
What is Property? by Proudhon
Evolutionary Socialism by Eduard Bernstein
The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin
The Minority Report by Beatrice Webb
What Is to Be Done?; Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism by Vladimir Lenin
The Accumulation of Capital by Rosa Luxembourg
Their Morals and Ours by Leon Trotsky
Religion and The Rise of Capitalism by Richard Tawney
The One-Dimensional Man by Herbert Marcuse
The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere by Jurgen Habermas
The Shallow and the Deep by Arne Naess
Profit Over People; Manufacturing Consent; by Noam Chomsky
No Logo; The Shock Doctrine; This Changes Everything; by Naomi Klein

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>>9396990
You're reaction couldn't have encompassed my description of beta bitch boys couldn't be more apposite.

>>9397014
Are you typing like this on purpose as some kind of post-ironic sort of thing? I really hope so, otherwise you should seek help with formulating your thoughts via language.

>>9397004
>Naomi Klein
There are much better critics of capitalism who have made many of the same points as her, and who are not low-IQ college dropouts.

>>9395291
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair

>>9397021
Get with the times bugmann, read book!s

>>9395311
>accelerationism

Capital is a black hole, purely virtual, yet sucking real things into its vortex.

Sacrificing real things for this unreal thing is the grave loss, and capital will never beget it's own demise. Marx said this himself in capital volume 3, that Capital is self-revolutionising, in that it sucks up everything into it's own reflexive subjectivity, he even calls Capital a Subjekt.

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>>9397014
ikr kekekek
its like we're speaking the same language, two sides of the same coin.... two arms of an agitated spastic restrained in a cardboard box full of internet catchphrases.

everybody is laughing at us tho. why are they laughing at us?

>>9397038
I mostly stick to literature that attempts to maintain a solid sense of coherence.

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>>9397045
>>9397051
>Small souled menn reacts vehemently to book suggestion.
Why?

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>>9397064
because you called me a "beta bitch boy"


if you cut me do I not bleed?

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>>9397071
That accusation was addressed to no one in particular. You are the one who thought it applied to you! At least you are capable of self reflection.

>>9396956
I think our storage of data and knowledge is so decentralised and plentiful these days that we will have shit up and running again in no time in some shape or form.

It's not like we'll forget how to make fire or something like some abos.

>>9397096
But what if people don't learn to read because they're too busy surviving? A lot of our current production is highly specialized, and is the product of decades of education, so if that system goes away, a lot of out knowledge is practically lost until we can reorganize mass primary and secondary education.

>>9396973
Yes, I've read Ellul and agree with his position that there is no intentionally putting the cat back in the bag. That didn't stop him from being a Christian anarchist though, did it? We can always hope some of us survive the collapse and learn from our mistakes.

It's a shame some of the best critiques are anti-semitic, and therefore anathema to polite society. Remember that Marx himself got into trouble for writing about the Jewish problem early in his career.

>>9395291
Maybe something to clean the toilet bowl now that you've bought so much paper?

>>9397143
>It's a shame some of the best critiques are anti-semitic
E. Michael Jones has repeatedly clarified that he is not anti-Semitic. It's actually contrary to Catholic doctrine to judge based on race. Either way, it is about time that critique of Judaism is not met with baseless accusations of antisemitism. It stifles debate about an interesting and influential people.
>We can always hope some of us survive the collapse and learn from our mistakes.

Possibly, so long as we aren't flooded with immigrants by then. That's another Pandora's box. Once you've swamped a country with foreigners it's hard to rebuild after hypothetical collapse.

>>9397120
Well, it'd be likely that there'd a class of people who spend time harvesting old knowledge and then the people who must focus on the work needed for producing food and shelter. You don't need a particularly modern civilization to afford a class of people who make everything more efficient. And even if we lost technology, if we still had a good amount of knowledge, things like food production might still end up more efficient than 2000 years ago. But an old-school hierarchical society... is no communist utopia, I' afraid.

>>9397096
It really depends on the type of collapse. of course. We could indeed use a lot of our knowledge no matter the circumstances. But the catastrophe could either be so bad that large scale survival is totally impossible, or it could be only so partial that it creates a dystopia of sorts.


I will never be an accelerationist, 'cause relying on this small possibility isn't very appealing to me. It seems p u r e i d e o l o g y to be able to imagine something like that, but no change in our current life.

>>9396519
This.
I wager that all those books are online for free at marxists dot org

>>9396966
Agreed. Accelerationists are usually armchair radicals who scoff at organising with actual workers e.g. grassroots.

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>>9395505

kys

>>9396691
>wtf is accelerationism
>is it a meme

Accelerationism is a prime example of a meme.

http://www.kopubco.com/pdf/An_Agorist_Primer_by_SEK3.pdf

the author is a hardcore AnCap theorist and invented most of their lexicon but communists would benefit from his strategies in practice

>>9396925
>hegemony and socialist strategy by laclau and mouffe

This was such a hard read. Was it me or is it on purpose?
Apparently the strategy is the one who currently is working for Melechon in France.

>>9397547
I'm an accelerationist and a professional organizer. Most people would rather I stay in the armchair.

>>9395291
anything written in the mercantile age, or prior

>>9395311
>Capitalism has to be followed to its end
there will be nothing left

>>9395505

I wonder what Verso's net earnings are, and how much of that if any is donated to marxist causes.

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>>9395520

Not the guy who posted that book but I must mention that, the rich nowadays are indeed busy but they are certainly NOT productive. Das Kapital did predict this as well, because it is exactly what Marx defined as rentier capitalism: it is the rule nowadays that large corporations control leverage not only of land, but also of other things such as money itself, and even technology development, to the point that they create a "smart monopoly" where they reap the benefits of others who are actually innovating, building and creating value in general. They do spend most of their week working their ass off, but only insofar as they need to hold control of certain data, certain people's work and certain alliances with other rentiers; they work to propagate themselves and not to "produce" in the sense that the capitalists in Marx's time used to.

There are not many good analysis of this in contemporary literature (I have come to believe we have lost the patience required to compile theories of history like we used to), but pic related (dat small size) is a more or less decent criticism of the specific kind of capitalism ruling modern society (that of rentiers).

>>9397632
feudalism was actually good

it was ruined by the literal bourgeoisie, poorly-bred merchant upstarts who began buying their way into nobility

>>9398045
>professional organizer
pitiful

>>9398114

>it was ruined by the literal bourgeoisie, poorly-bred merchant upstarts who began buying their way into nobility

no the merchant class came into power the same way the nobility did; through international war profiteering and arms dealing, consolidation of technology, declaration of transcendental guidance, and degeneracy of the incumbent hegemony

>>9398102
>I have come to believe we have lost the patience required to compile theories of history like we used to


As someone who studies history, most people (at least at my uni) abandoned that sort of thinking when post-modernism broke through in the 80s and 90s as the USSR crumbled and Marxism was largely abandoned in the academic world. Some say it's slowly coming back because everyone is tired of discourse-analysis and all that stuff now, but who knows.

>>9395291
Is there any anti-capitalist literature written from a christian perspective? Bonus points if its not written by GK Chesterson

>>9398060
Isn't it enough that they function, publish leftist books and pay the authors?

>>9398313
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
There's literally a field of theology kinda like that.

>>9395291
culture jam messed me up for a little, till you realize what the author wants which is even worse...

>>9398272
There's Ellul, who I mentioned earlier, but that's a secular work. I've never read his religious books. He's the shit though.

>>9398117
Getting paid to live and breathe politics and fuck shit up is pitiful? I fucking love it.

>>9398313
Jacques Ellul
David Bell

>>9396685
there's literally a kropotkin book in that image

>>9396928
t. rousseau

Let's become pre-civilised and see if we're all sharing and caring in harmony.

>>9398982
Neo-Hobbsian ideas about pre-history are wrong. It was pretty comfy. Not perfect, but pretty okay.

>>9395291
Seeking literature for the property of being against a thing is probably the saddest thing I've ever heard of.

>>9395311
Shit isn't dumb. Shit is the fiber of the undigested parts of food, which passes through your body once your body has absorbed all of the nutrients (depending on how well you chew). That's actually what fiber is, and it's important in your diet because it helps with digestion for some reason (experts say this, I trust experts). It's also sort of fun to play with and lick and masturbate while watching it come out of other people's buts.

>>9399315
If you can't figure out what's wrong with your logic, you deserve it, along with my scorn.

>>9399331
the joke
-------->
your head

>people actually pay money for anticapitalist literature
And they still think there's an outside to capitalism? Capitalism will just package your precious undergraduate ideologies and sell them to you like it does everything else.

>>9399402
Oh, I noticed it. I just wasn't funny enough to justify the wrongness, that's all.

>>9395291
Ha-joon Chang's Kicking Away the Ladder
Steve Keen's Debunking Economics

J. Sakai's Settlers
Michael Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds
Michael Hudson's Super Imperialism
Yanis Varoufakis' The Global Minotaur
Karl Polanyi's The Great Transformation, or Fred Block's update
David Graeber's Debt: First 5000 Years

>>9396489
Apart from Marx the only thing worth reading here is Lenin, maybe Debord. Don't even BOTHER with the rest.

>>9396723
This all day every day.

>>9398882
t. George Soros

Jokes. But what, pray tell, do you mean by organising professionally?

>>9401103
I'm a salaried, unionized, community organizer. Can't really go into details.

>>9395326

Underrated post

>>9395311
There is no next thing, capitalism is the last economic stage of humanity. All that's left of socialism is the State, and it's on it's last leg.

marx wasn't an accelerationist. he wanted fully retarded things like the paris commune and those paris communists to seize the money in the Bank of France. Full retard, never go full retard.

Try reading Gottfried Feder

>>9401817
I didn't say the next thing was human.

>>9401576
Yeah I'm sure your boss might be browsing an anonymous korean dog soup forum

>>9401826
The machine economy will be even more capitalistic than the human economy. And the machines will make sure every human is a bourgeois.

>>9401576
> I'm a parasite, parasite, parasite parasiter. Can't really go into details.

You said enough already.

>>9401845
Yes, that's right goy, the laborers are the true parasites. Ignore the (((capitalists))) behind the curtain, they are the true job creators!

>>9398381

Is there maybe a bit of a margin between money needed for functioning and their actual earnings? I wonder who gets to keep that margin? I bet the people who run Verso have nice apartments in a fashionable part of town, and are much farther removed from the proletariat than you or I are.

>>9402302
You're not a laborer, you're a parasite. It was a jude that created class theory in the first place, in order to hide what is really in power. You want to want to steal from workers just as much you imagine your imagined masters do.

>>9402327
Publishing pays so little that it is notoriously an industry filled with children of the rich. They probably all live in Bushwick, which is now quite expensive, but still very much a shit hole.

>>9402372
I was a laborer for 15 years before becoming too disabled to continue manual labor. Instead of taking disability, I chose to continue on as an organizer of my peers. Keep digging that hole, you (((bootlicker))).

>>9402397
If you weren't lying, and actually lived in the real world, you would have respect for people and their labor, and not want to take it. I'm not, but meh, better than being a highheellicker like you. But you did guess correctly that I'm Jewish.

Everyone has the potential to be a contributor and a consumer. If you can justify your consumption to someone, you are a contributing citizen to that someone; if you can't, you're a parasite to that same someone.

These justifications are a kind of intellectual force; those who have little analytical ability to distinguish between true and frivolous justifications may consider them oppressive, for they don't understand why the force of those arguments is acting on them and that never feels fair.

You take, you provide, and you tie it all together with a narrative that people can reject or accept according to their nature and ability. You can't please everyone all of the time, but you can hope that the people that reject your narrative of worth aren't so disproportionately powerful compared to those that accept it that you are disenfranchised of your rights with no recourse to law.

To provide a superior contribution to society is to deserve a superior status in that society. This does not violate human dignity, but confirm it.

Organization in the form of running a business can be a worthwhile contribution or a parasitic harm, or even both simultaneously; organization in the form of unions or other activism is subject to the same possibilities.

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>>9395311
>Real niggers are accelerationist
>like Marx.

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>anti capitalist

>>9402575
Very well said. I'm saving this comment. What really sickens me about the left is how many good ideas they've hijacked. Without the leftist influence, unions could be a highly productive part of the economy. But because of the left unions are today nothing more than engines for graft.

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>>9401817
>capitalism is the last economic stage of humanity

>>9402613
Well only after all the socialism is disposed of. We'll have capitalism soon enough, or be all dead. Kristen Stewart's downfall is a good example of how bad socialism is.

>>9402609
I hate partisanship in almost any intellectual pursuit; the personification of left and right as movements and not tendencies is a bane on productive thinking and action.

"Left" and "right" are most often just a crutch to dismiss people one doesn't really want to discuss anything with.

>>9395291
Society of the Spectacle by Debord
Simulation and Simulacra by Jean "Disneyland" Baudrillard

>>9395311
God you're a retard.

>>9402633
It all boils down to if groups exist or not. The empirical and logical answer is no, of course not, group don't exist. At this point I'm resolved that the believe is genetic.

I talk to leftist parasite filth way more than I do my fellow right patricians. I guess I've always been fascinated by those that obsess over self inflicted suffering.

>>9402609
You're implying a lot of things in that post. Do you think that the left don't come up with good ideas of their own? Do you think that the right has "hijacked" more good ideas than the left, or fewer? Why do you think that is?

>>9396489
>Žižek on here with apparently no irony
That said most of the rest is okay.

>>9402657
>all this cognitive dissonance
I kind of want to unpack that post with you and try to gain a mutual understanding. Interested?

>>9396925
Isn't no logo just adbusters garbage?

>>9396990
The totality of capitalism is the most ebin meme of all if you think about it

>>9395291
Might find good literature, but not economics.

>>9398114
>feudalism was actually good
wew lad

>>9402575
Fuck off Ayn

>>9402715
I hate Objectivism, actually.

>>9402576
>But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.[7]

>>9402386

That's what confuses me, why so many marxists are actually quite well off. There are marxist clubs at my university, but if you can afford the tuition you're definitely not a prole.

>>9402661
The left is based on a falsehood, so any idea they might come up with is also a falsehood. Most leftist ideas are just repackaging of older ideas. For example the entirety of marxism is just an argument against usury, and really a weak argument at that.

>>9402673
Sure. But if you really believe I showed any signs of cognitive dissonance, don't bother.

>>9402772
When you're born to great privilege it sometimes makes it easier to see the unfairness of accidents of birth and the folly of taking pride in them. Our society is generating unprecedented amounts of wealth and inequality continues to accelerate. All the liberal capitalist arguments about the necessity of inequality to drive innovation and growth are proving to be false. There is so much wealth hoarded by the capitalist elite that they can no longer productively invest it and the credit reserves of the workers are bled dry. Yet still they want more, and plenty of the workers pathetically identify with them to have even the imaginary taste of power that roleplay offers. Being born rich can show you that Mammon, the capitalist's god, is a false idol, and life could be so much more in a society not built around market competition and fighting over scraps.

>>9402772
I had to take out a massive loan my dude

>>9402772
Rich kids don't live in the real world, they have no idea how industry or science operates, so they latch on to the believe people are only successful by stealing from others. Because, in their hearts, they want to steal from others.

>>9402832
So working hard your whole life so that your children are well off is privilege? I though privilege was unearned?

So many weasel words, where to start? The huge amounts of wealth created by capitalism is because of inequality, but only because humans are unequal. The capable aren't as burdened by the incapable, so they are free to create an economy and technology that allows the incapable to do something, rather than nothing. The argument that inequality spurs on innovation and growth isn't a liberal argument, its the leftist argument. (Remember leftists don't even believe in such simple wisdom as the Broken Window Fallacy.) Growth is caused by savings, putting off consumption, not eating your seed corn. Capitalists are hoarding money, of course, because of the certainty of the state, which is completely controlled by leftists, who can and do confiscate at a whim. Having everything given to you for free, being rich/communist/statist, does warp one's view of the world, evident by your inane comment. Market competition is why we aren't fighting over scraps, what's created all the wealth in the world, why we aren't bottom feeding beasts. Commies want us to return to that life of sloth, so its obvious why those that have been given everything in life for free want to continue to live the life of a dump animal.

>>9402898
Which you'll never pay back, because you're worthless commie scum who's highest aspiration in life is to steal from those that are better than you.

>>9402929
I'm feeling some projection here.

>>9402934
I've never taken out a loan. I started my own business from savings alone. All I want is live my own life and help those that need it.

>>9402921
>Capitalists are hoarding money, of course, because of the certainty of the state, which is completely controlled by leftists, who can and do confiscate at a whim.

You're mentally retarded my dude. Thankfully, I am positive you a person of no consequence. Sadly, you can't even see the chains of ideology imprisoning your mind and show so much confidence in spouting your transparent ignorance. You lack even the most basic understanding of economics and political philosophy, whether liberal capitalist or Marxist.

>>9403051
So the state can't just take away people's property at a whim? Are you retarded? A good indicator of brainwashing is labeling anything that contradicts the brainwashing is itself brainwashing. Leftists with contend their narrative is so perfect that questioning it anyway means one is either stupid or a shill, or both. You're very much guilty of this, you're the one trapped in the cage of ideology. (Remember, the ideology of the ruling class is socialism/statism.) Nothing I said had anything to do with economics or political philosophy, you're just grasping at straws. If anything, you're admitting that the establishment of economics and political philosophy is leftist, so you yourself are saying the chains of ideology are leftist, not liberal.

>>9402929
people who escalate conversations like this bug the hell out of me

I know I'm just being old but the *one* thing I really miss about, say, usenet, is people hadn't yet learned this overblown hyperbole of insults yet. You kinda still talked to people online like they were real people.

I'm not even talking like, that other threat where someone commented on that guy who killed himself's blog "nigger lover"

Just every other exchange is one person calling another retarded or some shit.

And whatever, I'm sure the next response to me will be a glib "fuck you retard" but goddamn sometimes /lit/ you do better than that.

>>9403051
wow its like you can't foment a real argument and just insulted him a bunch

>>9403088
>Remember, the ideology of the ruling class is socialism/statism

ah, i see you are a follower of the Alex Jones economic school, very good!

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>>9395291

Ecology of Freedom - Murray Bookchin

>>9403161
Yes, totally worth making cogent argument with someone who can hold the contradiction in his mind that capitalists are able to are able to accumulate and hoard unprecedented amounts of wealth in a state controlled entirely by "leftists" who can seize it at whim. He literally identifies with the billionaires bleeding our country dry, there's no hope for this one.

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>>9398102

Cheers for the share anon

>>9403147
I didn't escalate the conversation.

I'm probably older than you. I didn't insult anyone.

You bring racism into this to try and discredit me. Not going to work.

Fuck you retard.

>>9403161
Alex Jones is a patriotic minarchist. Waaaaaaaaaay too left for my tastes.

>>9403214
Even though leftists are stupid, they do realize that something has to exist in order to steal it. The economy is left well enough alone, unless anyone steps out of line. Billionaires, that aren't' extensions of the state, aren't bleeding the country dry, parasite like you and and the state. But, having said that, your statement is just false, the world has never been wealthier, there has never been as few poor people (maybe not in terms of sheer numbers but as a percentage, leftists use women like cum rags and can't take care of their bastards), everyone's doing great, because of capitalism.

>>9398102
Who are the rich paying taxes to?

>>9395291
You're probably good; Capital will take you the rest of your life.

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>anti-capitalism
>in the year 2017

Why?

>>9403372
Public schools. Heck public anything.

>>9403372
Because we're now in late stage capitalism--the redistribution mechanism is broken and unfixable. The middle class is disappearing, life expectancy is dropping, infant mortality is rising, credit is drying up, infrastructure is decaying, and home ownership is declining among many other signs. Bloody revolution is only a few years out.

>>9403430
Right, right, the revolution will happen - just like last time!

>>9403430
"Late" stage capitalism, lol. There is only capitalism, from the death of the state till the heat death of the universe. There shouldn't be a "redistribution mechanism", that's socialism, that's the state. The middle class is growing faster than ever, people have never lived as long, there has never been as many or as healthy of babies, too much credit is actually a big problem, the infrastructure is decaying because it's maintained by the state, and home ownership is at an all time high. Literally everything you believe is wrong. There are some conflicts, but those are just larping by leftists, and I like it and it should be encouraged by all sides, the sooner leftists self identify and are dealt with in some way the better.

>>9403440
We'll only kill the bad ones this time, comrade. And nationalizing industry will work this time, we'll never run out of toilet paper!

>>9403449
>There is only capitalism

So you think there is no difference to postindustrial capitalism and the capitalism we see in our current times

>>9396748
lol

>>9403391

public libraries, public television, public radio, public drinking water, public roads, public wi-fi...............

>>9402776
>sure I'll discuss it with you to gain a mutual understanding
>but not if you don't agree with me!
Honestly what is the fucking point of entering a discussion with that mindset.

>>9403449

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/05/11/americas-shrinking-middle-class-a-close-look-at-changes-within-metropolitan-areas/

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2016/wp16121.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-life-expectancy-declines-for-the-first-time-since-1993/2016/12/07/7dcdc7b4-bc93-11e6-91ee-1adddfe36cbe_story.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-28/homeownership-rate-in-the-u-s-tumbles-to-the-lowest-since-1965

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/

Literally everything I said is a fact supported by evidence, you're the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect and beyond any hope. I'm sure you have quite the aptitude for commerce.

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>>9403723
The current economic system is socialism, so yea.

>>9403791
Are all stealing from one person, giving to another, and skimming off the top. The world would be a much better place if half of all efforts weren't confiscated by parasites.

>>9403806
You excused me of cognitive dissonance, why would I want to continue to have a discussion with you?

>>9403816
I bet you're at your computer 24 hours a day hitting the refresh button just hoping things get worse. Yea, parasites distort the economy and make short term problems. But the overall rate at which things are getting better is practically vertical. I'm not going to fall for any of your clickbait bullshit.

Just lol, bringing up Dunning-Kruger while being a marxist. Your ideology literally thinks its figured out everything that every was or could ever be and know the inner thoughts of everyone and how everything works and what everyone will ever want or hope for. And I'm the "embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect". Ok man, whatever you want to say.

I've helped hundreds of people, saved them huge amounts of money, and not one of my clients have every complained. All of my business is through word of mouth. So yeah, I am quite apt at commerce.

>>9403871
>You excused me of cognitive dissonance, why would I want to continue to have a discussion with you?
To see if the accusation has any merit. This is how we learn, by examining uncomfortable claims instead of avoiding them.

Additionally, I think you mean "accused", not "excused". Is English a difficult language for you? Serious question.

Incidentally, I'm not >>9403816 and also not a Marxist by any stretch of the imagination.

>>9403979
I was talking to four different people.

>>9403987
Yes, that agrees with what I said.

>>9404020
>Incidentally, I'm not >>9403816 and also not a Marxist by any stretch of the imagination.

I didn't call you a marxist or said you were someone you weren't.

>>9404028
That's why I referred to the statement as incidental.

>>9404062
Dude, don't be rude. The person clearly doesn't speak English very well, give him or her a break.

>>9404062
Ok, and?

>>9404065
Lowbrow pathetic attempted insults from a leftists, how shocking!!!

>>9404065
Not my fault if their lack of skill with their language of choice for their post was unequal to the task of understanding what was said. If they shewed any courtesy or mentioned their trouble with the language, I would probably be moved to forgive them those mistakes that could directly tied to a believable misunderstanding.

>>9403871
>>9403987
>>9404028
Do you plan on responding to the various points and questions brought up in >>9403979?

>>9404082
Lol I messed up one word and you've circlejerked over it now for half an hour. I'll make another typo after you've nutted.

What "points and questions" were even asked in >>9403979 ?

>>9404088
>I can't keep track of how many mistakes I've made and can't even comprehend what people are saying to me
As long as you admit it, I guess.

>>9404103
I literally just said I messed up a word... You're using baby tactics now. Might as well say I'm smelly or that my butt is big.

>>9404108
You only count 1 because that's what was pointed out to you, the work done for you. There are more, but you are either oblivious or in denial.

Honestly, being unable to interpret a straightforward post like >>9403979 isn't a mark in your favour, and holding it against you isn't at all childish. People who can't understand what is said nor speak properly AND have an attitude about it are pretty fucking useless to talk to, and it's just not worth spoonfeeding them on the off chance they have an interesting idea (that you will have to do all the work of coaxing out, clarifying, and interpreting for them).

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>>9404115
No there hasn't been.

Lets go back and figure out why and how you're wrong here. You originally claimed I had cognitive dissonance, and wanted to continue the discussion. >>9402673 And my response was that I wouldn't want to continue any discussion with someone that says I have cognitive dissonance. >>9402776 You quite bizarrely misrepresented that as:

>sure I'll discuss it with you to gain a mutual understanding
>but not if you don't agree with me!

I'm not going to have a discussion with someone that right off the bat insults me. That's that.

I've understood everything you and others have said. The leftist narrative isn't that complex. I'm speaking properly. Yes I have an attitude over your pathetically pedantic attack. Oh big whoop I used the wrong word. So far you, if all of replies to me have been in a single chain, you've said nothing of substance. Zero. I have no idea why you're even talking to me at this point. You insulted me and than got anger after I said I didn't want to talk to you.

>>9404140
Cognitive dissonance is basically just internal contradiction. You consider someone saying that you've contradicted yourself an untenable, conversation-ending insult? How can you possibly function in a conversation or learn anything if someone merely claiming that you're incorrect disqualifies them from talking to you?

Things like reading anger where this is none... this frankly how I expect the left to work. Do you see where you've gone wrong?

>>9404157
They're infected with postmodernist ideology and they don't even know it.

>hey slave's system give me a book anti-capitalist here some money that i got from my parents that work so hard for my education
>yeah wow im such a rebel viva la revolelele :) XD

>>9398029
isn't all theory hard as fuck to read?

>>9404140
>I've understood everything you and others have said.
>>9404088
>What "points and questions" were even asked in >>9403979 ?

kek.

>>9404140
Out of curiosity, what makes you think that the various posters you've referred to as leftist are in fact leftist?

You're here, and you seem to disavow the left. I know I came in here because I wanted to see what kind of morons were so fixated on anticapitalist literature that finding more took priority over their other interests in the same field.

>>9402715
What about this smacks of Rand, to you? I don't see it, personally.

>>9402776
What, in your opinion, is the foundational falsehood of the left?

>>9404157
You're just digging your hole deeper. I really don't give a fuck, man.

I agree with this dude: >>9404162

>>9404205
I am >>9404162. I was talking about you.

>>9404205
You are seriously defending your policy of running from an argument in response to being accused of a contradiction?

As indicated in >>9404212, anon was talking about you.

>>9404174
If you're a moron, sure.

>>9404193
Because they are making leftist arguments. Defending the state, commies, etc. But yeah its at the point now where I'm just accusing anyone that disagrees with me of being a leftist. Which likely isn't that far off.

>>9404204
>What, in your opinion, is the foundational falsehood of the left?

That groups exist. That the collective is an actual thing. Leftists have a weird sort of mysticism, which lets them make statements involving "the people" without stopping to question that very premise. This inconsistent logic also lets them use nebulous terms like "equity" and "fairness", and lots of other crap like "starvation wages" and so on. This fundamental falsehood informs their faith in egalitarianism. No matter by what measure or account, humans have never been, and never will be, and are not desired to be, equal. I do not want to live in a world where I have just as many votes as my betters.

>>9404212
Lol, my mistake. I reject postmodernism in every way. There is objective reality.

>>9404224
I'm not running from anything. I've responded to ever single reply.

>>9404255
Yeah, you've responded saying "I don't want to discuss it because you insulted me by saying I wasn't right".

Do you think that doesn't constitute running away from the topic?

>>9397043
Its not subjective when the number of people living in absolute poverty is free-falling around the world, you fat nigger

>>9395291

>ctrl+f "syllabus"

literally just google search "marx syllabus"

boom. now you dont have to wade through psued-shit.

this works for anything.

>>9404269
I was reiterating my original statement. I've done that a few times now.

"Sure. But if you really believe I showed any signs of cognitive dissonance, don't bother."

>>9404249
You start your reply saying that the foundational falsehood of the left is their belief in groups, but by the end it seems more like the primary falsehood is egalitarianism. I understand that you said and meant that one lead to the other, but I am interested in the idea that the main problem with the left is egalitarianism.

Some parts of your statement I don't fully understand. When you imply that groups don't exist, are you merely saying that you think identity politics are dumb? Or do you actually believe that there are no attributes that can be shared among some persons but not others? Additionally, when you refer to egalitarianism are you referring to socio-philosophical egalitarianism, as I assume? Or are you referring to political egalitarianism? Or something more specific, or something else entirely?

What is inconsistent about the idea that you can refer to multiple individuals as a group? What would constitute groups actually existing, as a contrast to them not existing now as you claim ?

Terms like "equity" and "fairness" are nebulous only if one doesn't bother to define them rigorously, don't you agree?

What is your disagreement with the term "starvation wage"? It seems pretty straightforward to me that you can reduce wages to the point that wages earned as a function of hours worked become insufficient to by themselves support a person; I just don't believe it's necessarily a problem, personally. Is your argument that even if made to forgo all money or take on debt, that a person can sustain their lives using no money at all, using subsistence farming or living on charity or the like?

I, too, don't want to live in a world where my vote counts as much as my betters. But how to determine who is better, who is best? In the meantime, policy still has to be made. Hell, the idea of leadership is precluded by the concept of groups.

Thanks for your replies.

>>9404296
So you consider continually refusing to discuss a topic for a flimsy, petty reason as somehow different from running away from that topic?

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>>9400984
>J. Sakai's Settlers
Idpol trash

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>>9402629
She's doing fine, not an argument.

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>>9402772
t. don't know the definition of prole

>>9404373
boy, her eye looks fucked, look at that scar on her head, and her leg has an old long scar near a bruise or burn, what a hideous person.

>>9404373
oh man, and her knee and mouth, jesus, did she have a long night with salman rushdie, tommy p and kelvin haverschtaff?

>>9404336
Faith in collectivism is the foundational falsehood, everything else is built on top of it. Thus everything the left believes in is also false.

Sharing attributes and groups existing are mutually exclusive, the former is predicated on individuality while the latter is not.

Egalitarianism in every sense. No two are equal to each other, this will always be true. Equality is in a way a cage, one which prevents us from being ourselves and having true agency over our lives.

The issue isn't categorizing individuals into groups. Collectivists believe that the collective itself is something that exists. That community is independent of participation in it. For example, I've been told that because I play Civ 2, I'm part of the "Civ 2 community" whether I choose to be or not.

They are never defined rigorously. And if they are it's found that the actionable definition isn't robust enough to make such sense. If equality changes dramatically from case to case, its not equality.

How could a wage be so low that the work can't support themselves? Does that really exist in reality? Of course not. Maybe in the case of workers with lots of dependents, or some disability, but then the burden of what constitutes "starvation" is is on that worker. Say I have some special vegan diet where all I can eat is saffron, most any wage would be "starvation wages". My issue is that the term is again nebulous, and like everything leftist is designed to evoke emotion, degrades the issue to the most absurd unrealistic level, and completely doesn't actually apply to everyone on Earth.

(On a side note I am of opinion that truth only applies to things that can exist in reality. If something is true in theory but can't correspond to reality it is not true. So a statement like "Bilbo Baggins is a hobbit" is false.)

Money. Markets. The price system. Free association and free exchange. No policy. No leaders. Autarchy.

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>>9404349
No I'm not. If you want to talk about something just say it I reply to everything anyone says to me.

>>9404369
No she's not, she's went full feminist. She'll either be dead or doing porn in less than a year.

>>9397043
So why is it that Marxism and its numerous failing children aspiring to throw every aspect of being into different black holes?

>>9404403
Replying with a refusal to discuss isn't much of a defense against the charge of running away from a discussion.

>>9401817
If psychology didn't have applications in states and economics, you could have been right.

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>>9404422
I literally just said I would discuss anything if you would actually same thing. You've repeat the exact same thing in four different ways now.

>>9404430
Its all interconnected; the dominate political narrative affects the economy which affects psychology which affects the state which affects psychology which affects the economy and so on and so on.

>>9403430
So which jews will take over the parliament and the party this time?

>>9403871
>Are all stealing from one person, giving to another, and skimming off the top. The world would be a much better place if half of all efforts weren't confiscated by parasites.
Wrong. I will tell you why you are wrong and why killing communists is the most important thing in the world.

Children.

>>9404446
I agree that communism is a disease that in some cases can't be treated, and that it's best for everyone that they are humanely put to sleep.

>>9404439
Some people decide to sell a new ideology. It has buyers due to programming.

>>9404431
You keep claiming that you reply to everything as if that's some sort of rebuttal of your own stated refusals to converse with some anon.

If you keep denying your own words, people are gonna keep asking how you think that works.

>>9404464
No, I'm just stating that as a fact. I have.

I'm not denying anything. I wonder how many pounds of lost running around in circles like this.

>>9404395
I feel like you need to investigate more deeply into some of the terms you are bandying about. You're making sweeping judgments based on extremely superficial understanding of the concepts and interaction at play.

Sorry I can't talk more. Duty calls.

>>9404466
Postmodernism incarnate.

>>9404473
I used every term correctly. You asked for my position, nothing was argued thoroughly.

> Duty calls
Good Luck.

>>9404474
What the fuck does "Postmodernism" mean to you?

>>9396489
Can somebody post some of the more detailed ones?

>>9395291
thats a year worth of reading right there

start reading instead of procrastinating

>>9396489
this is a really good list

>>9404249
What a moron.

>>9402760
>blow anon the fuck out
>they don't reply
typical