So are we willing to admit that the Trojans did nothing wrong?

>>9384725
They could have just given Helen back

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>>9384725
Hector should have poisoned Paris: he was pragmatic enough to do so, yet he decided to abide to his traditional values, at the expense of tenths of thousands of lives and his entire legacy.
These types of mindless, tradition-induced behaviours should be harshly criticized. The Trojans citizen did not deserve to perish, their overlors did.

>>9384798
Helen was in Egypt

>>9384817
The memory of Hector and Troy will outlive your degenerate subhuman fratricide.
Rome rises.

>>9385082
>muh legacy
I should choose, so I might live on earth, to serve as the hireling of another, of some portionless man whose livelihood was but small, rather than to be lord over all the dead that have perished

>>9384725

They got their revenge in the end.
Based Aeneas.

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>>9385102
>misinterpreting that quote this badly
I thought your first post was just trolling and I was playing along, now this is just unacceptable.

Pandarus was a jumpy piece of shit

>>9384798
Helen was a pretext man, war's written by the victors.
The only thing Agamemnon had a hard-on for was power, not his wife.

I like these Iliad/Odysseia- related paintings a lot, do you guys know any site or book or something where I could find a lot of em in one place? t.a drooling retard who can't find anything himself

>>9385082
>Helen was in Egypt
GTFO Herodotus

>>9385542
Yeah that's why he was emotionally traumatized by having to burn his own daughter for Artemis, he just wanted money /s

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>>9384725
It doesn't matter. The gods wanted Troy to fall and nothing could stop them.

>>9385159
I'm this guy >>9384817, the guy you're quoting is not me.

>>9385082
>The memory of Hector and Troy will outlive your degenerate subhuman fratricide.
I'm disputing the value of this memory: is the outlook we've got on the Trojan royality a positive one? What arrived to us is not their glory, rather their flaws and failure.

>>9386796
I would say Homer treats the Trojans immensely well even though the Epic is from an Achaean perspective.

The only person treated with more respect than Hector is Achilles.
Even if you want to dispute the Trojans treatment by Homer, the Aeneid secures the legacy of Troy once city doomed by the gods into one city raised up by the gods.

The outlook of the masses don't mean anything at all to me, the fact that we are talking about it on an anonymous forum some 3000+ years after it happened and 2800 years after it was written is in itself the glory promised for Heroes.

Tbh I don't think it is even worth debating the positives and negatives of a memory, to me it only matters that one is remembered. For the memory impacts humanity of today whether good or bad.

>>9386866
>I would say Homer treats the Trojans immensely well even though the Epic is from an Achaean perspective.
But we're not Homer, aren't we? I've already told you what my beef with Hector is, and that criticism was not included in the Homer's texts.

>Tbh I don't think it is even worth debating the positives and negatives of a memory, to me it only matters that one is remembered. For the memory impacts humanity of today whether good or bad.
I respect that, but I disagree. I get the fact that you're valuing the immortality of one's actions, but I also think that in our judgement the nature of those actions should be kept in consideration.

>>9384725
>did nothing wrong?
they backed the wrong horse: paris. who backed the wrong horse: aphrodite. they had apollo and ares, and a sympathetic zeus, but it wasn't enough. the glorious goddess of a single mind wanted troy ashes and that's what troy became. i too admired 'the tamer of horses' but.. that wasn't enough either. nothing is ever enough.