What do you think of Industrial Society and Its Future?

>>9378169
uncle ted is comfy

As an edgy virgin desperately searching society for a trend to blame my psychological failures on, I found it quite eye-opening

>>9378169
It's been a few years since I read it last, I found the idea that excluding self-identified Leftists from any sorts of change/revitalization movements as an absolute necessity to be interesting even if they agree with their goals or you agree with some left wing ideas, because the sort of people who become card carrying "leftists" are either themselves hopelessly lost to the machinery of society/socialization or will inevitably bring in people who are leading to the trivialization of your movement and eventual downfall.
considering how the "left" has a habit of absolutely tanking every single movement into a mess of bickering and over-socialisation I tend to agree with him. look at every single green party in the West as an example.

>>9378169

That piece is only acceptable to read as an accessory to your overall aesthetic. I say that as unironically as possible

>>9378169
more people should take the Tedpill.

>>9378234

>Teddy K predicted Occupy Wallstreet 100% accurately

uncanny.

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>>9378169

I read it once. I'll re-read it at some point since I recently collected his mathematical writings for myself in a volume (page related) If anyone cares to see anything from it, let me know.

It IS highly organized, cogent, and so on, but it seems to make certain goofy assumptions which might legitimately be put down to Kaczynski's isolation and sexual frustration.

something about the prose of the Manifesto is yet "high-school-tier". I think most /lit/ readers will know exactly what I mean. The argumentation and trains of thought are cohesive, but there is a fetish about certain catch-all words (leftism, leftists) and a certain lack of the emotional aspect of rhetoric in the prose which makes the thing fall flat a bit as an argumentative device.

Obviously it deals with real stuff, cites its sources and so is a "real" (serious) text in the sense that My Twisted World, the From Hell letter etc aren't.

OTOH I abhor the possibility that some rich elite might someday achieve biological immortality, which for me is a big point against technology, so there's that.

Go the source and read Jacques Eullul instead.

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I'd love to be an anarcho primitivist, but does that mean I couldn't read books anymore? In the manifesto he is kind of vague about what level of development is acceptable.

I mean, shit, I'll gladly give up video games and start farming or whatever, but I still want to be able to read my Tolkien at the end of a nice long day.

>>9378395
>he is kind of vague about what level of development is acceptable
>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
The printing press is fine, but no more synthetic glue for bindings or automatic typesetting.

>>9378419

> the industrial revolution is a singular event with a definite start and end and not a broad spectrum of changes that took place over the span of decades

>The printing press is fine, but no more synthetic glue for bindings or automatic typesetting.
eh, i can live with that i guess.

>>9378437
He doesn't outright say what exactly the industrial revolution is in the Manifesto, but he gets very close here, defining it in terms of the harassing of new forms of energy and increased division of labor.
>The reason why technology has seemed always to progress is that, until perhaps a century or two before the Industrial Revolution, most technology was small-scale technology. But most of the technology developed since the Industrial Revolution is organization-dependent technology. Take the refrigerator for example. Without factory-made parts or the facilities of a post-industrial machine shop it would be virtually impossible for a handful of local craftsmen to build a refrigerator. If by some miracle they did succeed in building one it would be useless to them without a reliable source of electric power. So they would have to dam a stream and build a generator. Generators require large amounts of copper wire. Imagine trying to make that wire without modern machinery. And where would they get a gas suitable for refrigeration? It would be much easier to build an icehouse or preserve food by drying or picking, as was done before the invention of the refrigerator.

he's totally right, the world is cyberpunk with all the crud and none of cool stuff.

He presents a lot of truthful information you can do fuck all with

>>9378350
can you post any of his math writings if you have (math dude here) it'd be interesting to see what his proof style is

>>9378395
>I want to blindly accept an ideology I know nothing about, but does that mean I won't be able to enjoy the comforts of the society this ideology seeks to destroy?

He was very observant on the psychology of leftists and their self hatred.
He made good points about tech.
Guys like ted are needed to wax philosophical about the negative outcome of technology on the human condition.
Well no one else is, we live in an age where silicon vally tech dorks lived in their walled off gated communities telling everyone how technology will solve everyones problems and presenting you with an app that counts your farts

IMO, the mechanism he describes that generates leftism is incomplete. It misses a lot of recent literature in evolutionary anthropology and comparative cognition that really seems to nail how cultural evolution happens (and therefore how movements like leftism arise) across not just humans but also other animals (thus showing it is a deep, shared psychological component and not coming about by oversocialization, which he relies too much on for his explanations). The most influential component of this mechanism that he seems to miss is prestige-biased transmission within social learning where the most prestigious entities within some group are the ones that most people look to and copy their behavior. It seems to me that large amounts of left wing ideas are adopted in this manner. They copy behaviors and ideas from what they think are prestigious individuals, e.g. university professors. If this is the case, then no amount of primitivism or small scale de-socialization can stop it. You'll just go back to copying whatever it is your tribal chieftain or local biker warlord does, as it is a cognitive trait shared by all humans that generates "cumulative culture" (and hence also technology).

>>9378169
>pleb
"TEDDY K BTFO THE SJWS BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE"
>contrarian
"Kaczynski is just Jacques Ellul with schizophrenia and aspergers"
>patrician
"Ivan Illich was right about everything"