How to talk with pseuds, also pseud stories general

Laugh at them or ignore them.

Send him this post

>>9350055
pseud detected

>>9350021

It's ironic because you're the real pseud.

>>9350075
explain

>>9350021
Schopenhauer said somewhere that a certain level of bullshit (or pseudo-intellectuality) deserves only laughter, and not reasonable arguments against their positions.
To have a discussion about philosophical topics with someone, BOTH of you must have
1. Intellectual honesty (idk how do you say this in English, so I translated it as best as I could -that is, literally)
2. A minimum level of understanding of the subject matter
2 depends on
2.1 minimum level of intelligence
2.2 minimum KNOWLEDGE of the subject

That is my little theory. Please anons, critique it.

>>9350087
Also, I'd like to add that 2 is rare, but 1 is extremely fucking difficult to find.

>>9350076

I can't. It just won't be comprehensible to a pseud like you.

>>9350098
What a pseud thing to say

>>9350098
I see what you did there

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>>9350021
One of my friends is kind of like this as well. First of all hes still a great guy and I myself am not the most well read in philosophy and high literature apart from what you read at school but Im working on it and at least I am aware of the fact that Im not the most educated person on the planet. I however take issue with how he handles discussions. He always presents really flat arguments, often purely emotional ones as well. When you argue against him and he doesnt know how to respond he starts to either try to change his argument along the lines of "What I meant was..." or "You dont understand..." or he mocks you or spews memes. He can never say why he disagrees or dislikes something other than on a surface level or through strawmaning, you can tell that he gets a lot of his philosophical or intellectual input from genre fiction or pseudo intellectual youtubers. It upsets me because first of all hes not even stupid, he could easily pick up on philosophy but I dont think he really wants to experience anything thats outside of his comfort zone. Despite all of this and him more or less just living his life like society tells him to without questioning things that he does and enjoys he thinks of himself as intellectual and perhaps a free spirit. This attitude also translates into every day conversations as well and for some reason he seems to be proud of his irrational opinions, most of the time dislikes. He for example has a strong dislike for vegetarians and vegans but cant explain why he cant agree with their view on the consumption of meat beyond "I like to eat it and their attitude makes me feel bad". He claims that every vegetarian or vegan want to convert others to their cause, which might be the case for some of them but surely not all of them. I suspect that he is secretly bothered by this because he himself cant explain why he eats pigs but wouldnt eat a dog. This just as an example, Im not an advocate for veganism myself. Should I just ignore his opinions?

>>9350076
see definition 1 above

>>9350021
Just talk ironically to them. The people who understand what they are talking about will get it and the pseuds will be fooled.

>>9350194
How does one talk ironically

>>9350194
This.
But dont let your voice sound ironic while you do it.
This is a deep art, and ultimately only you will know youre being ironic. If you
>>9350350
are OP... You will either learn it with time or never fully understand it. Either way I dont give a fuck AND itd be better for you that you dont ever understand it.

I sound so cringy and memeable, right? Wont get any yous with me, I guarantee that, anon.

>>9350360
>But dont let your voice sound ironic while you do it.
>This is a deep art, and ultimately only you will know youre being ironic.
This sounds like a pseud thing to do. Also it sounds like womenlike, passive-agressiveness

>be me
>start 'Introduction to Kant' course
>day 1, hour 1
>prof explains syllabus
>proceeds to give a short summary of what the categorical imperative is
>normie wearing a cap (seriously wtf this shouldn't be allowed in uni) raises his hand
>prof: yes?
>normie: excuse me, but I disagree
>prof: why do you disagree
>normie: [rambles two or three sentences about God does not exist and we cannot know he exist]
>prof cuts him off and continues lecture ("Yea, let's talk about this later")
>he's visibly insulted, his hands are shaking, face is very angry, upper lip trembling
>probably feels ashamed and humiliated rather than anxious
>oh wait, now I see, it's injured narcissistic pride
>narcissistic rage is clearly incoming
>he raises hand again
>prof ignores
>he coughs "Excuse me, I have something to say"
>prof: "We will do this later"
>narcissist: "Wow really, you just cut me off because I disagree with you and now you try to silence me? I thought philosophers were free thinkers! Shame on you!"
>prof: "I don't even agree with..."
>he screams in a most barbaric fashion "SHAME ON YOU". He gets his bag and stumbles out of the lecture hall
>before slamming the door he mumbles "This always happens, they do not understand me... they don't want to hear!"
>other students including me confused as fuck
>prof, stoically: "Well, weird" and continues lecture
Serves me right for getting in a state university

>>9350447
Well memed (unironically).
I would've enjoyed this more if the "neckbeard loser" had refused to gtfo of class and things wouldve gotten to a really really tense situation. Anyways, decent job.

>>9350447
But the prof. clearly silenced him

>>9350021

Swede here. You should smack him in the face with Janteloven. I have no idea how such a smacking would occur, but it sounds like this guy needs it.

For anyone else, it's a rule regarding humility that's deply rooted in scandinavian culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

>>9350021
Ignore them. I used to be friend's with an autistic pseud and he was annoying. Now I don't listen to his bullshit.

>>9350688
Ha, I hadnt heard about this before
It reminds me of a book by jack london i believe that i read a year ago
This idea that when you make a giant present to the tribe you will be treated as tho it was nothing...
Sounds deeper than the way we do things socially around here (western world) to me
I like it

Sorry i was mistaken
It reminds me of the novel El antropólogo inocente by nigel barley (translate the title).

>>9350688
Or maybe it was Vacas, cerdos, guerras y brujas by Harris? (Translate title
Im sorry im kinda drunk and cant remember
Every one of the books i mentioned are worth reading though.

>>9350021
I'm unsure. I'd suspect a true intellectual to be unbothered by the likes of pseuds, and ultimately ignore or even humor their arguments for the sake of entertainment.
Do you happen to see yourself within your friend? Do you grow indignant at the mere subtlety of being considered a pseud by him, or by someone else, and therefore feel as though you must prove your authenticity by anecdotal polemics against the exact, albeit abstracted and applied, conception you're so weary of being identified as?

>>9350021
watch some woodie allen movies and just try to be more like him... neurotic and pissed off but sly and understated.

start with Annie Hall or Midnight in Paris for quality pseudo-intellectuals

>>9350742
Your writing is good but youre trying so hard that i cant help but find ironic your pretension of being able to define what a pseud is or how one should behave around pseuds. My apologies

>>9350763
>Trying to be like someone else
The mark of a pseud. And Im not memeing in the slightest. Or am I

>>9350479
>Not letting every autistic take over the class with their ramblings wasting the other students time
>Silencing them

>>9350717
>>9350726

The wikipedia description doesn't exactly match my intuition for how the word is used. I read a modern best-selling novel called "Populärmusk från Vittulla". This was a few years back, so don't take the details literally.

The story takes place in Vittulla, a very small town in the middle of nowhere, way the fuck north of Stockholm. Th main character starts playing the guitar and it's evident that he's really, really good at it (wins some sort of competition, I believe). And his family basically says "well, that's pretty okay". Not even "You seem to have a knack for this guitar thing, son" as that could put silly ideas in his head.

My thoughts about it is this:
Don't get any ideas of grandeur. If you do you'll leave the safety you have here only to be devoured by a chaos monster.

>>9350848
Id answer to that: dont let any chaos put you down. Be what you know you are, what you want to be. Become what you truly are. Fuck happiness and fuck what your family believes is best for you. Follow your own path.

>>9350848
Janteloven is from Aksel Sandemose, a Danish-Norwegian, don't try claiming him, sven!

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>>9351085

I never did. How about a nice game of stadskupp, danskjävel?

>>9350128
>Should I just ignore his opinions?
Yes. He sounds not much like a pseud but more of a real idiot.

>>9350688
Well it's obvious the guy needs it, but the problem is he actually didn't achieve anything, he just makes it appear so. So Jante is not applicable really

>>9350128
because its cultural

dogs have been mans companion for a very long time, we see them like family

>>9350447
kek

sounds Wittgenstein-eque

>>9351179
In Middle Eastern cultures dogs are considered unclean and they do not have them as pets and in China people eat dogs.

But wait let me guess your reply
>who cares dirty mudslimes are unclean themselves XDDDD
>who cares what a degenerate gook does XDDDD

fuck you

>>9351234
Lmao so let them eat dogs

The reason its strange for your friend to entertain the idea of eating dogs compared to pigs is because of the culture he grew up in.

Are you retarded?

>>9350773
>dude meta-irony lmao

>>9350848
Really eating up that communist propaganda, eh?

>>9350021
If you laugh at him or attempt to one-up him he won't learn. Pseuds are extremely fragile and talented at mental acrobatics.
>he laughed at me, he clearly doesn't understand
>he keep arguing with me, he must not see why I'm right, I'll repeat my initial argument

The only way to defeat the pseud is to educate. Offer to loan him a book on a topic that he claims he's interested in, maybe he'll actually pick it up hoping that it will help his facade. If he's a pseud it's because he values intelligence but he's either too lazy, too stupid, or lacks to means to actually learn something of depth. Education is the key.

>>9351312
As much as I can get my hands on. I'll shit it down your throat in just a little while. Then you can claim that it's all shit, even though the experience was divine for me.

>>9351362
I know the guy. He will skim over the book in two days, claims he read it thoroughly and then abuse the book by quoting it out of context. One time I caught him trying to hit on a girl by explaining to her that he is 'an existentialist'.

>>9350479
Actually, prof was lecturing and the interruptor was trying to silence the prof from expressing an idea that doesn't align with his preconceived notions.

Is dead souls a mix of funny and soul crushing like Gogol's short stories or is it just properly depressing

>>9350021
The fact that you've come up with a derogatory label for them--"pseuds"--tells me that you're putting far too much thought into it.

Kill them with honesty. Ask questions. I have a feeling that the real issue there is that you're trying to battle their arrogance with your own. Why do you care? Why do you need to be intellectually superior to them? Let them have their vapid victory and move on. Would it kill you?

As it is, I wouldn't share a word with either or you. If they annoy you that much, break it off. There are a lot of people in the world. Move on.

>>9351630
"Pseud" has been around since before anyone on this board was born, and you need to lurk more if this is seriously your first time seeing it.

>>9350087
interesting. i'd like to read more. where does shope say this?

>>9351234
People around the world have different cultures, what a wild concept, right?

>>9350350
Use the socratic method of enightnement. Be calm,knowing that you are superior, and ask questions like "what do you mean by this? Is this what you eant to say? But that would imply X and that would be a contradiction. What do yo mean by realiy,truth? Etc
And then using logic you can expose his flaws

>>9350021
t. moffi

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>>9350021
How can I tell if I'm a pseud, and how can I avoid being a pseud?

Please help. I don't wanna be a phony.

Iam one of them.

I treat ideas like engineers use theories.

Iam interested in wielding concepts for only their ability to bring clarity to present moment, or problematise what seems clear.

I find it useless to try to understand what some dead philosopher turly meant, most of the time.

>>9351750
if you care about what people think of you then you may well be a pseud
if you care about being a pseud or others being pseuds you may also be a pseud

>>9351792
fug

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>>9350033

Double dubs... this guy tells the truth.

Or, just sarcastically tell him how smart he is every time he says anything.

>>9351234
In the middle east I'd be able to kill you for being such an obtuse faggot too. Shame I can't do it in the west.

>>9350021
Lots of people telling you to ignore him. That's fine, but here's an alternative.

When I was a kid, I had a friend who was WAY more well-read than I was, and I would always pseudo- my way through conversations with him. What eventually changed me was the effortless way he would admit to not knowing things. When he asked questions, he didn't pretend to know the answer, but instead wanted a dialectic.

So my advice is this: emphasize how much you HAVEN'T read, and get it across that this is normal. I think this is the only way to get a pseud's guard down.

>>9350021
>"There are no facts bro, just like Nietzsche says, there are only interpretations"
But Name McMadeup said in the third chapter of his book "False Title" that "...", have you even read him?
>Yeah of course dude you think I haven't read all of his works ??6?


That's how you refute them

>>9350021
desu you are more of a pseud anon for not really engaging in those statements

>>9351913
>engaging with pseuds
i shiggy diggy

>>9351916
>being a pseud
so sorry for you

>>9350092
can you explain more what you mean by item 1?

>>9350021
is someone a pseud if they claim to know about virtually every field of science and constantly act like they're smarter than everyone, but very rarely if ever back it up, even when asked to? because I know someone like that on-line

>>9351630
>I have a feeling that the real issue there is that you're trying to battle their arrogance with your own. Why do you care? Why do you need to be intellectually superior to them? Let them have their vapid victory and move on. Would it kill you?
have you been to /lit/? have you been to 4chan? have you been to Earth? it's all people trying to be that little bit better than the others, including that guy, including his friend, including you, including me
also autists can get very angry at people just for being wrong, it's an affront to their world and what it's made of

>>9352035
It means that you honestly and consciously aim for the truth and nothing else.
To be honest (ha), the intelligence required to do this is by itself extremely rare...almost nobody can really talk about philosophy with intellectual honesty -therefore, almost nobody is worth getting into a philosophical discussion with. This is just how it is.
Im sorry if I sound pretentious.

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From savage to respectable gentleman in one simple step

>>9351663
In The world as will and representation.
Its an incredible work. You MUST read it : )

I have a friend like that too. I read way more than this guy, except that he read Brothers Karamazov earlier than I did (it's one of the like three books he read). So whenever BK comes up somewhere and there are other people around, he says: "Hm yea, FINALLY you read it..."

>>9350021
Get him a girlfriend.

>>9353477
Woah hes so smart
He read a book SOONER than someone
Im genuinely impressed

>>9350360
Don't do this. I've talked ironically so much that everyone thinks I'm always being serious about the dumbest shit.

>>9351867
>implying you'd last a day in an honor society

>>9351274
That wasnt even me. I know full well why its acceptable in our culture to eat pigs but not dogs. But this is exactly my problem with my friend, despite evidence showing that pigs are just as smart if not even smarter than dogs. His counterpoints are "But dogs are cuter", or "But pigs taste good". I dont think these are valid counter arguments to be honest, pigs make for fine pets too and I bet that dog meat tastes very similiar if prepared properly.

>>9353568
right? what the fuck is wrong with these people

>>9350128
Asking why he eats pigs and not dogs isn't really a good argument. I eat oranges but I don't eat lemons. They're both fruit.

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>>9350021
You're both haunted as fuck, so at this point it's just a matter of degree.

If you still believe in the notion of "the political" (e.g. you think it's worth having a thought about Scotland separating from the UK when it will probably never affect your personal life) you're not going to make any progress with someone who commits his time to hoarding intellectual trifles. He will take his own shiny baubles over yours any day.

>>9350021
Engage him in honest conversation. Correct his mistakes and recommend him further works to read and expand his knowledge. Most people who fit the pseud definition have at least a passing interest in the subject at hand, and trying to delve deeper with them is a method of calling them out on it. Either you expose how shallow their understanding actually is or you realize they simply come across as shallow when in fact they're well read. The shame associated with not knowing something, which pseuds are afraid of, should either drive them to stop pretending or to learn more. Both are victories.

>>9354255
"The political" does affect my life - it affects all of our lives - ESPECIALLY the election of Donald Trump, given that he is going to start World War III.

>>9351234
>people in other cultures do it so that invalidates the argument that it's better to do things that are culturally acceptable in your own culture
Boi

>>9353622
Hm

>>9353811
You're the autist here, nobody is going to prove that eating pigs is better than eating dogs a priori, and it's a frivolous and meaningless discussion to have which obviously is causing tension between you and your friend

>>9351124

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcJZ3-cJKc

>>9351599

It's extremely funny.

>>9353811
You realize it's much easier to acquire pig meat than dog meat, right? Most people don't hunt their own food, so supermarkets are their best bet at getting meat. And they don't sell dog meat, most of them at least. And even if they did, and I'm speaking out of experience, it tastes like shit.

If dog meat were widespread and delicious, most people would not give a shit about whether or not dog makes a good pet; they'd be able to have dogs as pets and still eat their meat all the same. You're trying to accuse your friend of being a hypocrite when it comes down to conformism.

>>9354255
I like to think about stuff that doesn't necessarily have an impact on my personal life. The world is more than just me. But let me guess, a you're a Stirnerist?

>>9350021
honestly probably everyone on /lit/ is a pseud by definition since it actually requires years of study and real academic work to be a "true" intellectual.

>>"Bee sarcastic to him"
>>"Talk ironically to him"
Do you understand how ironically this sounds?
Every poster in this thread is pseudointellectual by definition. Just think of a person you consider true intellectual. Would this pearson post in this pathetic thread?
All of you are just bunch of kids trying to distinguish yourselves from your surroundings, without any interest in gaining "intellectuality" you fetishise so much.

>>9354390

Not really. I don't know shit, but I'm aware of it and I don't try to come off as intelligent. Therefore, I'm no pseud.

>>9354406
What's worse : to be an self-aware idiot or pseud?

>>9354428
Pseud. There is nothing wrong with self-aware idiots

>>9354429
Wrong. Recognizing self as an idiot gives one the ultimate justification for idiotic actions.

>>9350479

I've only taken one philosophy course, but it was structured as a lecture MWF with discussions TR. If the course in the story was the same way it would be inappropriate to critique the philosophy during the lecture portion.

>>9354390
I don't consider myself a true intellectual, but at least I'm intellectually honest. I admit when I don't know something and I'm not talking about stuff of which I have no knowledge of. Also I don't give a fuck about other people seeing me as smart. HOWEVER when someone is intellectually honest it is really hard and annoying to converse with someone who is not, because you know the other guy is bluffing and it's hard to expose these bluffers in an unaggressive way, especially if they're your friends. Pseudo-intellectuals tend to be narcissistic and narcissists feel attacked quickly and will defend themselves from allegations by bluffing more, which does not solve anything. So that's why I made this thread because I wondered whether or not people here have experience with getting pseudo-intellectuals 'on the right path' so to say.

>>9354443

Wrong. Being aware of one's limitations comes with modesty, humbleness and willingness to improve. Being a pseud is all downsides.

>>9354287
I pay my taxes, I avoid the police (hence paying taxes), and I keep tabs on the news to make sure a draft isn't in the works. This is as far as it affects my life: this is as far as I let it affect my life.

>>9354384
>The world is more than just me.
I never said it wasn't, but this particular opinion ("what about Scotland") leads to nothing but hypothesizing. Let's say they leave: Scotland joins the EU, Scandinavia gets a closer, sovereign Anglo trading partner, direct control over Northern Ireland is made that much harder by the perceived illegitimacy of the British government, etc. But all of this is mere hypothesis: it isn't real to you. It's all dreaming in the same way Baudrillard refers to the notion that the "gulf war didn't happen." And this situation is doubly hypothetical because you're talking about political events that haven't happened yet.

kill him

>>9354292
This is the situation it's acceptable to spookmeme in.

>in my Existentialism course
>we're discussing Being and Time
>prof. reads us a section from his forthcoming book, which reads Heidegger through some of Shakespeare's plays
>fascinating interpretation
>he specifically says that we will not talk about Heidegger's fascism even though we could
>nasal-voiced girl in the very back raises her hand and asks
>"Did H. think that the Jews were inauthentic?"
>prof: "I think the more pressing question is why you asked that question"
>she goes on and on about how it's relevant in her grating voice
>prof: "we're not doing biography, we're doing philosophy"
>girl: "are you saying I can't ask questions. I thought philosophy was about asking questions."
>prof: "no, I'm telling you to shut up."
>other highlights from the prof:
>"I think you're incapable of asking questions."
>"Please shut up."
>"I don't think you know how to think."


He's the most stoic professor/person I've ever met and he almost lost it. Normies really derail philosophy courses sometimes. We had a good laugh about it after class though.

>>9354933
>>nasal-voiced girl
oh anon

>>9354933
Nice

>>9354933
Name of the book?

>>9353404
i respect that decision but the beard looked like it was helping him aesthetically

>>9354933
>"Did H. think that the Jews were inauthentic?"
What did she mean by this?

>>9353404
What came first: the man or the egg?

>>9350021
You sound like a psood yourself

>>9355187
Kek
>>9355141
I agree, I just wanted to post it somewhere and wrote the first thing that came to mind

>>9354933
Normie s demand it. All the Carl Smitt focused books I've read felt like they HAD to prefix the first half of the work tackling his Nazi membership

>>9354362
But thats exactly my point. For him its not about just eating meat and not caring what animal it came from but rather that he is convinced that pigs are for eating and dogs are not without really being able to argue why he is of that opinion.

>>9354933
ah this is so typical too, pseuds always need to mention that Heidegger was a nazi

>>9354933
top kek

>>9354933
quality kek.

Second the request from >>9355111, book name?

>>9351466
And?
What was the girls answer? I need to know if it may work, going to try

>>9351234
>because its cultural

>>9355111
>>9356398
>>Being and Time

>>9351234
Who hurt you?

>>9350021
Use the Socratic method to call out his fallacies.

>>9356871
How would this work in practice?

>>9350128
There is literally no argument against veganism.

>>9353622
Lmao same thing happens to me sometimes. People just can't read people.

>>9357692
Still means you can rip on vegans, not like they have the strength to fight back.

>>9357695
They are as strong as any average person. Which means, yes - they (the average) can't fight back.

>>9357698
Shut up veganshit

>>9357707
I'm not even vegan lmao

>>9357708
Lmao nobody believes you Skink in Tree's Shade, go hug a cactus.

>>9357712
Now that's a fucking obscure reference, holy shit.

>>9357698

Nah they're aren't. Many vegans struggle to meet protein requirements and as a result they are weak as shit. It's of course possible to be fit and vegan but it requires some knowledge.

>>9350021
>>9350128
Tfw have a friend that really likes Buddhism and literally any time we talk about any philosophy at all he starts talking about how Buddha already said everything exactly like that and that drugs are spiritual magic

>>9357718
It's a personal responsibility to research nutrition. Many non-vegans struggle to be healthy in general.

>>9357767
Kys hippie scum

>>9357774
are you trying to make me mad or something?

>>9357665
1- Socrates' interlocutor asserts a thesis, for example "Courage is endurance of the soul", which Socrates considers false and targets for refutation.
2- Socrates secures his interlocutor's agreement to further premises, for example "Courage is a fine thing" and "Ignorant endurance is not a fine thing".
3- Socrates then argues, and the interlocutor agrees, that these further premises imply the contrary of the original thesis; in this case, it leads to: "courage is not endurance of the soul".
4- Socrates then claims that he has shown that his interlocutor's thesis is false and that its negation is true.

Then, also, know your logical fallacies in order to call them out.

>>9357767

I agree but being unhealthy as a non vegan usually involves high protein food such as pizza, McDonalds, kebab etc.

Non-vegans suffer other health issues but on a general non vegans consume more protein, I'm pretty sure.

>>9357860
Well I'm not vegan yet but I think there's plenty of protein rich foods available to vegans too. Rice is the first thing that comes to mind. But yes - non-vegans have more options. I think there are 'fake meats' made for transitioning people, but I don't know how they do on protein.

>>9350021
wow im not a pseud im actually intelligent

>tfw I have never even come into contact with one because of my low social standing
I may even be one myself and not realise it, I'm that lowly

>>9351234
dogs aren't considered unclean in the culture, they are just aren't allowed to be a house-pet based on hadith.

>>9358089
Then why do muslims cross the street to avoid walking past dogs?

>>9358093
i don't know, maybe you are unrightly generalising based on your personal experience which might not even be about the person's culture or religion?
i can look out from my window right now and i am sure i will see someone petting one of the stray dogs and my neighbour's dog playing with the neighbourhood children and another dog feeding himself with the food people leave for them.

>>9358107
I think it's fair to generalise when walking a dog in Whitechapel and all the brown people in funny hats practically dive out the way to avoid the creature.

>>9350128
>implying there is anything else to morality other than "muh feels" and state functionality

Your friend is right

>>9358119
It's not. In the same way I can wrongly generalise that muslims like to pet dogs and attend to their needs.

>>9358128
The fuqahaa’ are agreed that it is not permitted to keep a dog unless it is for a purpose, like hunting or guarding property or other uses that are not contrary to the Sharee’ah. The Prophet (peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, his reward will decrease by one qiraat every day." (Reported by Muslim, 2948)

As far as keeping a dog to guard the house is concerned, Ibn Qudaamah said: "It is not permitted, according to the most sound opinion." (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 35/124)

As regards the najaasah (impurity) of the dog, the Shaafi’i and Hanbali ‘ulamaa’ say that the whole dog is essentially naajis (impure). Some scholars say that any liquid excreted by the dog is naajis (not the dog itself). The saliva of the dog is extremely naajis, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If a dog licks the vessel of any one of you, let him throw away whatever was in it and wash it seven times." (Reported by Muslim, no. 418).

Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The way to purify the vessel of any one of you if a dog has licked it is to wash it seven times, the first time with earth." (Reported by Muslim, no. 420).

We must ensure that Muslims continue to be averse to dogs, even in the midst of what the kuffaar are used to do and what some Muslims have adopted of their habits.

>>9351630
>Kill them with honesty. Ask questions.
This OP, get him to try educate you. Stay humble and he will reveal to himself the holes in his knowledge through trying to explain concepts to you. For this to work you need to be able to form agreeable and coherent arguments to challenge him. Too offensive and direct and he will close his mind; not solid and convincing and he'll never move from his stance.

It takes patience, but if you want to keep him as a friend and not keep getting mad at him I suggest you try. Lykke til.

>>9358135
has i said, hadith, not middle-eastern culture. i don't understand what you are even trying to prove. are you not able to read? or is it too hard for you to accept your generalisatons were wrong?

>>9358146
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>>9358146
Right but the actual quran describes them as something that, if it touches you or your belongings, you need to wash it seven times. That's pretty fucking clearly "unclean" which is the word you used, and not simply hadith, but an integral part of Muslim culture.

>>9351696
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>>9354266
Best advice in this thread.

>>9358156
first, where?
second, qur'an ayets don't directly contribute to the middleeastern culture. as with every other religion, followers of islam cherrypick the stuff they fit into their life and omit the others.

>>9358171
Okay? So what? It's still Muslims considering dog saliva haraam. Just because some pick and choose doesn't mean that muslims don't consider dog saliva haraam. Nobody else considers dog saliva haraam. A bit gross maybe but not haraam because haraam is a muslim thing.

>>9350128
this is possibly the most underage post I have ever read on /lit/

>>9353400

I agree, but with reservations. I find here it's helpful to apply boundaries to the debate. Make the debate about hyper specific questions and then broaden the discussion from the conclusions drawn from these questions such that you are working within the frame only of these questions and peoples idealogies come into it less.

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I'm a pseudo who wants nothing more than to actually understand others and be happy, but my ego gets in the way too heavily and I often act like I came up with an idea that someone else came up with first in front of said person without me realizing it. What do I do?

>>9358313
Im gonna go out on a limb here a infer that you've some insecurities that you need external validation to alleviate. If this is true then you need to find this validation within yourself instead.

If Im just making an ass of myself here I suggest you keep on reading. Increasing knowledge/sensibility is the key to overcome many of the problems you might face.

>>9358549
You're completely right on the first one. Thank you anon

>>9358191
you missed the first part. where? there is no ayet saying dog saliva is haram

>>9358623
furthermore, we aren't talking about muslims, we are talking about middle-eastern culture. middle-easterners are not solely defined by their beliefs and their culture can and do differ from their religion.

another point, dog saliva being haram doesn't make the dog unclean. fucking during the woman's period is haram, but neither fucking nor the woman is haram by themselves.

>>9355016
I appreciated this