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hegel's dialectic Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:09:08 Post No. 9345295 [Report]
can someone please explain to me the distinction between his and other's, like plato's, processes of dialectic?
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:12:13 Post No.9345314
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:12:13 Post No.9345314 [Report]
You won't find any answers here.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:16:25 Post No.9345334
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:16:25 Post No.9345334 [Report]
>>9345295
Hegel's dialectic is based on thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Literally just Google it.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:26:24 Post No.9345389
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 04:26:24 Post No.9345389 [Report]
>>9345334
yeah
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:28:07 Post No.9345680
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>>9345334
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:30:20 Post No.9345686
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:30:20 Post No.9345686 [Report]
is it sort of like an asymptote approaching an axis? you figure out your perception isnt correct and adjust closer to the truth?
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:32:27 Post No.9345699
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:32:27 Post No.9345699 [Report]
The SEP article published a year ago is actually really good on this: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel-dialectics/

It convinced me to get the book by the author of the article.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:33:06 Post No.9345702
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:33:06 Post No.9345702 [Report]
>>9345334
>>9345389

Try reading Hegel.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:35:20 Post No.9345718
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:35:20 Post No.9345718 [Report]
>>9345686
No.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:36:08 Post No.9345723
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:36:08 Post No.9345723 [Report]
>>9345334
common misconception actually
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:43:54 Post No.9345759
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:43:54 Post No.9345759 [Report]
>>9345699
This is fantastic. Cleared this whole thing up for me immediately. Thanks for sharing this!
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:44:12 Post No.9345761
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:44:12 Post No.9345761 [Report]
>>9345295
Plato's 'dialectic' is a praxis of language / discourse that aims for a state of aporia wherein Truth can reveal itself. It is an act of revealing the eternal / ahistoric truth hidden beneath the fleeting/contingent phenomena.

Hegel's 'dialectic' is the movement of consciousness / spirit / knowledge throughout history. Reason moves forward from one guise to another through a process of negation, and thus is experienced as negative/melancholy by the spirit/consciousness. Yet because the negation is always a particular negation it becomes the positive occasion for Reason / Spirit to take another form. Thus the historical chains of negation is actually the progressive movement of Spirit towards higher forms culminating in the endpoint/Absolute.

The difference is basically that Plato's view of Reason/Truth is ahistorical and so is his dialectic. Hegel turns Reason historical and history becomes reasonable/the movements of reason.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:45:22 Post No.9345766
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:45:22 Post No.9345766 [Report]
>>9345761
Sorry for my crappy english btw, eurofag
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:48:29 Post No.9345777
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:48:29 Post No.9345777 [Report]
>>9345761
is this not like an asymptote/axis relationship? seems like exactly what you just described
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:48:53 Post No.9345779
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:48:53 Post No.9345779 [Report]
>>9345761
Perhaps you could say that Plato's dialectic is a tool employed for Reason to be revealed, but for Hegel Reason itself is dialectical.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:49:10 Post No.9345781
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 05:49:10 Post No.9345781 [Report]
>>9345295
Hegel has no dialectic.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 06:02:49 Post No.9345837
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 06:02:49 Post No.9345837 [Report]
>>9345686
Yes, while it is important to remember that every new guise of Reason contains the former within itself. So the absolute knowledge really is the totality of every Form that Reason has taken in history culminating. I recommend Mladen Dolar's reading.
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 06:07:16 Post No.9345852
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Anonymous 2017-04-06 06:07:16 Post No.9345852 [Report]
>>9345761
This is right.

Hegel attempts to shift the dialogical character of dialectics to monological. This is not by itself a change of the very nature of dialectics, but rather a new consideration of it in Hegel's time since consciousness in ancient greece is no comparable to Hegel's presumed higher consciousness of their time.
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