Balkan Literature

>>9333773
>Croatian literature is huge, whilst serbian, bosnian, bulgarian are small and irrelevant
I'm sure this statement, like many things Balkan, is quite uncontroversial and everybody will agree.

Slovenia and Croatia are the only relevant Yugo countries, so it's only natural for their literature to be superior.

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>>9333773
ministry of pain - Dubravka Ugresic

>>9333773
There's no great science to it, just history. Bulgaria and Serbia (everything sotuheast from croatia actually) was under Ottoman occupation and not much culture, specially literature was able to flourish.
Croatia (parts that matter atleast) was not under occupation, plus they had free city of Ragusa, which was most cultural place in entire balkans in you ask me

a be fredi, al si upishan leee

My favorite writer is Vladimir Draskovic, also know in our country as the cab driver.

>>9333773
Croatian language is the only language in Yugoslav territory. That's probably why this is the case, OP

Croatians are the most honourable warrios-Adolf Hitler

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>>9334341
keknuh dbi

>>9334344
I read things written by him, his work is really outstanding

Essential Croatian books:

Frederick Hendrick Freeze - The Pish Pish Chronicles
Domagoy and Dominique - Homosexual love story
Meho Hrvat - Doctor do a lot
Osjecanka's step by step guide to suicide

>>9334366
"croatians are the best fighers in the world: not because they have no fear, but because they have no shame"

give me 5 croats and ill conquer the world

-napeolon bonaparte

>>9334383
umirem

>>9334384
>fighers
bogte jebo bar si daj malo truda

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>>9333773

>>9334399
I don't speak gypsy sorry
plus you're a loser for pointing out a typo

from all croats the worst are the serbs

-slobodan milosevic 1995

>>9334344
This, he's amazing and very layered, crazy to think he spent the majority of his life as a taxi driver. I'd recommend his selected works to everyone interested in human psychology and one's place in society

croats started the yugoslav wars in the 90s by seizing Krajina (serbian rightful clay).

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>>9334413
His works during herin rehabilitation were one of the finest modernist pieces of literature! Shame he's not with us anymore

good intro to balkan lit? any recommended first language to learn for a monolingual english speaker?

>>9334425
here >>9334383

>>9334425
>monolingual pleb
You might as well be disabled

>>9334425
There's only one balkan language - Croatian. rest are rip offs

>>9334425
learn another language loser

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>>9334400
Kadare is the best European writer of the past 50 years. Fite me.

Pic semirelated, best writer from my country.

>>9334425
albanian

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>>9334438
no

Petar II Petrović-Njegoš - Gorski vijenac (the mountain wreath)

>>9334457
First serious reply in this shit thread.

>>9334446
Bugger off fucking ustasa or however you spell that.

>>9334464
You blind m8
>>9334446
>>9334438
>>9334383
>>9334344
>>9333949

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>>9334466
suck me silly shiptar cunt

>>9334425
Turkish

>>9334497
only valid for albanian and serbian literature though

>>9333773
What I am noticing is that the Croatian Wikipedia community is more active, nothing about literature.

>>9334494
I'm Romanian you fucking Hungarian doormat.

>>9334517
>im hungarain doormat u fucknig doormat
derped, dumb gypo

>>9334507
Would you really go and try reading the literature of a nation that can't even be bothered to sort out their wiki?

>>9334525
I wouldn't be any less likely to do it, since Wikipedia has absolutely nothing to do with good literature.

>>9334525
Wikipedia isn't a reliable source for anything, academics such as me spit on it.

>>9334527
Your loss my man

>>9334518
Those love songs that Serbian poet Nebojsa Slavujevic wrote for her were really charming and sweet.

>>9334507
more like
>With the fall of Serbia and neighbouring countries in the 15th century, there is a gap in the literary history in the occupied land

do people in the balkans read? I thought they only watch tv

>>9334523
>Romania
>not BTFO Hungary and their slav slaves for 200 years

Can we stop /int/ now tho?

>>9334534
my mom reada a lot of ero novela, doea that count

>>9334518
ah now there's a beuty

>>9334537
Transylwania is yours thanks to great powers now zip your gypo hole or ill stick a plastic bottle in it

>>9334542
why romanians talk about gypsies all the time but didn't exterminate them all during all these years of dictatorships? scared to kill some relative?

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>this konac

>>9334549
its like when Hamlet was forced to kill Luciana but then realized its him who he would slaughter .

Odakle si Fedora, devojano mlada...

>>9334542
Well apparently your knowledge of history is as good as your bantz.

>>9333773
the best part is when he says "just compare these wikipedia articles" thinking it is some legit proof for anything
Take your baiting and nationalistic shit to /pol/

thanks for embarrassing croatia you fucking shit

>>9334518

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1sFWW622ynW

CRNO VINO, CRNE OCI
TU MI PJESMU PJEVALA
DOK ME JE U OCI GLEDALA

FRIZE, FEDORA
MOJU DUSU UZELA
DA JE DIJETE NE BI UMJELA...

>>9334577
And the he /int/s out like a chimp. Recommend me a good Croatian writer. I like Jokai Mor, Kadare and Kazantzakis for reference.

Who knew yugos had better bants than aussies

>>9334582
Outstanding poem

here's one of mine i wrote in honor of our lady ..

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ISjWLSDQyd

>>9334534
They actually read more and more frequently than other people. Our school system mandated that we read basically all worthy books from 7 year olds to end of highschool. You read more if you go to some lit college or psychology or something, I obviously don't have literature anymore at CS.

Even our old and homeless people have a read few books. It's because literature is in our tradition and it's shamefull to be recognized as a person who doesn't know any of our classics. We were being tought to read "Gorski Vijenac" at 10 year old. That book is very hard to read even if you know our language, it's like Shakesperean English to Modern English only more complex.

>>9334600
Marin Držić & Marko Marulić

go old or go hom

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>>9333773
>>9333914
Hmm

>Croatian literature is huge, whilst serbian, bosnian, bulgarian are small and irrelevant
Much like their penises

>>9334874
>romania - 91
I knew it, I am in a country of stupid fucks

test

hehe pocelo je

>>9334993
wa muie

>>9334600
Miroslav Krleža
August Šenoa
Krešimir Hendrik Frize
Ivo Andrić

>>9334600
Danijel Smolcic
Nebojsa Slavujevic
Domagoj Philipque
Vladimir Draskovic
Damir Rimac
Dominik Spomenik

>>9335278
>>9335308
Very interesting I'll check them out. Thanks!

>>9334344
je l' ovo neki meme?

>>9335347
Da nisi ti Bosko Miljuskovic?
Ako jesi isao si sa mnom u skolu, jebote poslednje gde bih pretpostavio je da cu te ovde naci.
Super vam je svirka, Bole uvek si imao dar za to, ocekivao sam i da ce ti nesto tako krenuti, samo napred!!
Pozzz veliki

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>>9334344
>Look him up
>Can't find any translations
>Can't even find a Wikipedia article
>Just Slavic Facebook profiles
:(

>>9334344
the gypsywoman is my favorite book especially the sex scene Vlado is truly a God among men

Serbian lit
Collected works of national epic poetry
Petar Petrović II Njegoš*
Laza Kostić*
Vojislav Ilić*
Vladislav Petković Dis*
Jovan Dučić*
Bora Stanković*
Branko Miljković*
Ivo Andrić*
Meša Selimović*
Danilo Kiš*
Desanka Maksimović
Miloš Crnjanski*

* -- god tier writers TBQH

>>9335406
+ Momčilo Nastasijević
Vasko Popa

>>9335399
i dunno i kinda prefer vlado's criminal novels such as "wounds" and "see you in the obituary" some of his work can be compared to frederik maximilan's "financial fraud: the break street chronicles"

Kiklop je jedan od rijetkih romana koje zapravo vrijedi čitati s naših prostora, navodno je stekao dobru reputaciju među američkim intelektualcima.

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Have you guys heard of/read Zone by Mathias Enard? French stream of consciousness novel about a French-Croatian fascist/spy taking a train to Rome and thinking about war throughout history.

He's getting more acclaim in France now.

>>9334518
I've read some new novels by Mihaela Gašpar (O čajnicima i ženama/About teapots and women) and Daša Drndić (EEG) and they are really good. I doubt there's an english translation since both are new(ish).

"while i was gently licking her gipsy feet" by Vladimir "cab driver" Draskovic

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Gjergj Fishta - Lahuta e Malcís (The Highland Lute)

But the translation is probably mediocre at best.. And even if you'd learn (standard) Albanian you would have trouble reading it cause it's written in pure Gheg

>>9334425
i'm from balkans. don't try to language, utterly useless. if you ahve to, learn serbocroatian (yes, serbocroatian). serbs and croats got butthurt and decided to split the serbocroatian language into serbian and croatian. they're literally 99.9% the same language, except serbian can be written in cyrillic script (can also not be, they use both cyrillic and normal).
t. slovenian

>>9335482

>>9335489
literally a copy of The Mountain Wreath

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>>9335482
vlado's gypsywoman > petrarch's laura desu

>>9335504
inspired by njegoš, sure.. a copy no

>>9335573
it's like when you compare a bible to quran
bible is much better than its shitty offshoot

>>9335458
Kiklop je precijenjena izdrkotina. Matoš i Krleža su neopisivo bolji.
>>9335385
Don't worry, this whole thread is just shitposts and memes from /ex-yu/.

>>9335595
You haven't actual read it in Albanian, right? Of course not..

>>9335609
yes i did. and it's low quality compared to njegos version, like a chinese copy of something
it's literally written 100 years after the actual event by some anonymous catholic priest. how good it can really be?

>>9335623
>yes I did
back to /balk/ serv

>>9335654
>everyone who disagrees with me is a serb
albanian logic

Do you balkanese people still love the accordion? It's the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of balkan.

>>9335665
You didn't read it in Albanian lol..
also
>some anonymous catholic priest
>chairman of commision for standardization of albanian
>vice president
>editor of important albanian magazine
>anonymous

again, go back to /balk/ and shitpost there

>>9335697
>You didn't read it in Albanian lol..
okay if you told me so

he's writer but the source was some anonymous person. it's literally a poem recorded in 20th century

>>9335490
if the language isn't worth learning to you, are there any books you enjoyed from the area?

>>9335708
The priest simply told him of those battles..
Plus what's written isn't 100 years ago, it's about 50. Events in Gorski Vijenac are also from centuries to 50 years before it's written. I seriously doubt you read any of them, let alone Lahuta in Gheg

>no bridge on the drina mentions

>>9335840
nevertheless, do you seriously think anyone would bother to learn an unofficial Albanian dialect just for the sake of reading it? there's again, The Mountain Wreath, which is undoubtedly better with better translations, too

stop being pathetic

>>9334399
suje tromajke

>>9335863
nobody said anything about that holy shit

keep lying though, if it makes you feel better

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>>9334441
GET OUT

>>9335897
>nobody said anything about that holy shit
about what? i can only see you being pathetic here, i've just recommended a better poem written by famous author and stated that you're recommending just a shitty offshoot of it

>keep lying though, if it makes you feel better
keep thinking i'm lying, it certainly makes you feel better

>>9335490
Od kod si?

>>9335909
>read in gheg
>written 100 years after events
>source was anonymous poem

>>9335926
>>read in gheg
yes, and i'm not seeing anyone else doing it along the much better version which i'm talking about

>>written 100 years after events
yes it is written after the events, somewhere between 50 and 100 years. but i don't understand why you're even sticking to it, it's definitely written many years after Njegos wrote The Mountain Wrealth, which was my point exactly

>>source was anonymous poem
yes, it was some catholic priest, never said that it's someone else

what's even your point here?

>>9335920
Osijeka, ti?

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>>9333773
read Meša Selimović

Death and the Dervish & The Fortress

called Bosnia's Dostoevsky...can..kind of see why but I hate calling anyone Dostoevsky

>>9335957
>read in gheg
no you didn't. or are you albanian?

>100 years
it was you who mentioned the 100 years first, as if that is something bad or whatever.. It wasn't 100 years and it wasn't the same events as Gorski Vjenac. Njegoš wrote also about stuff that happened way over 100 years before his time.

>source was an anonymous poem
no it wasn't, as I said, the priest simply told Fishta about some events and battles.

My point is that you keep lying in everything you say about it, but that makes sense since you haven't read it.

>>9335961
>slovenec
>osijek
???

>>9336016
>no you didn't. or are you albanian?
i'm not going to talk about this over and over again... just stop being this pathetic, dude.

>it was you who mentioned the 100 years first, as if that is something bad or whatever.. It wasn't 100 years and it wasn't the same events as Gorski Vjenac. Njegoš wrote also about stuff that happened way over 100 years before his time.
it actually has the same events as gorski vjenac, that's why it was "inspired" by njegos or whatever you call it. you don't know what you're talking about and you're now trying to twist things in your favor.

>no it wasn't, as I said, the priest simply told Fishta about some events and battles.
they weren't "some", the priest told literally everything which matters in that poem. the small chunks of the final poem actually came from some historians about the other events just to fill in the blanks

>My point is that you keep lying in everything you say about it, but that makes sense since you haven't read it.
you keep using the same rhetoric to attack me, at least be original for once. you seem so assblasted

>>9336023
>>9335961
Ja, kaj je fora?

>>9335961
>>9336074
Ljubljana btw

>>9336052
No it doesn't have the same events. Vijenac is set in late 17th early 18th century. Lahuta starts at 1858. How deluded can you be that you say I'm twisting things??

>>9336074
pa nič, nism vedal, da maš slovence iz Osijeka..

>>9336118
>Lahuta starts at 1858.
it doesn't, it literally talks about events from liberation of montenegrins from ottoman occupation which started much earlier than that

also it has some historical facts in it about the same events later happening to serbs and in the end albanians

you amaze me how you still keep lying and trying to delude anyone here to think we're somehow talking about two different things, when they aren't. for god's sake, they even have the similar names...

>>9336127
Isto ja, stoga pitam

>>9334518
Who is this qt?

>>9334518
>FEDORA FRIZE
Prije Fedora freze

Ima koga iz Zagorja?

>>9336869
ma zagorim ti staroj pičku

>>9336869
Ja sem ti iz Nove Vesi, kaj bumo se našli male?

>>9335602
>Matoš
>Krleža
>neopisivo bolji
Po čemu točno?

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>>9334874
>101 average
>it must mean something

>>9334600

>Jokai
>Croatian

wat

I recommend Ismail Kadare. Great modern Albanian author. Good entry book(and one of his best works) being Broken April.

>>9334993
The high gypsy population depresses the overall IQ significantly. The average IQ for ethnic Romanians is 97 but gypsies have average IQs in the high 60s (66-68 depending on study).

>>9333912
Underrated fpbp