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>>9324058
Hi /leftypol/!

>>9324058
What is this, a collection of encyclopedia dramatica articles without the edgy jokes?

This looks interesting actually. But it ain't out though famm?!

At best it will have solid insights into certain segments of the web but still fundamentally misunderstand 4chan culture

It's going to get a lot of shit wrong. The only way to understand this shit is by participating in it.

>google name
>this horrid article comes up

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/02/paleocons-for-porn/

>>9324058
This is why I fucking hate women

oh lord...

>Nagle
Nobody with this name has ever written anything good, fuck bats

>>9324058
you can't really fully understand the essence of 4chan, or any internet culture for that matter, with an outsiders point of view.

Some things are really subtle and it takes years to notice some of the underlying tones, reasons and common ground, like existentialism and lack of father figures in the modern day is the reason for the alt right. You don't notice that if you're just watching from afar, then it's just all a bunch of internet neo-nazis to you.

Books/articles like this always paint out 4channers and other angry internet groups like "that weird guy in class that got bullied". Most of us are people you meet in day-to-day-life without reflecting about at all

>>9324123
>>9324137
>>9324254
I remember reading on /lit/ that she has been browsing the site for a long time, although I can't find a source.

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>>9324196
>Angela Nagle is a cultural critic...

>>9324160
>horrid
why? I felt it was really on point

>>9324310
Doesn't matter, she's a journalist trying to drag the lake of anonymous imageboard culture. She is a foreign element.

>>9324254
imageboard's don't even understand themselves, they're fickle and contrarian, they hold no strong views because they're just a reaction to whatever the dominant ideology of society is.

>>9324457
There's nothing to understand about imageboard culture, there is no proper documentation of what happens here outside of the threads themselves and whatever interadmin communications come to light. Maybe someday the FBI or CIA will declassify their files on the chans, but until then there won't be any way to write a proper historical or sociological analysis of these communities.

>>9324123
Angela lurks here i am sure, i think her work is far more considered than most idiots who write of their disgusted and confused reactions to imageboard culture but there is still something critically lacking in her insights. Fellow Irish here who has been here since 05. Email me at [email protected] angela if you want insights from a non rabid Pol user.

>>9324254
>lack of father figure
Nah, it's not that.
Look at alt-right. It's either teens or manchildren. Youth. Youth is desperate to find a cause, a thing bigger than themselves that they can be a part of.
It's the essence of teenage mindset. Belonging. Mix it with the 4chan characteristic of being contrarian and you get alt-right.
Most of them don't even care about politics, their understanding of it revolves around "btfo feminists" and "deus vult praise kek".
It's no surprise that actual, rational right-wingers have long since disowned the label.

>online culture wars from 4chan and tumblr to trump and the alt-right

That is a very confusing way to phrase it. What are they trying to say here?

>>9324492
>a non rabid Pol user
So you're from TRS and you perceive yourself as the authentic vanguard of right-wing Internet culture even though you don't get that 99% of /pol/ posts are ironic/troll posts?

>>9324386
a few weeks after she wrote her piece there was a shitstorm on "her side" of twitter over a guy called nick mullen who had told a bunch of ironically racist/sexist jokes that he got called out on it. people defended him because he was friends with the right people and it snowballed into a big needless piece of drama

when you come from a climate like that, it's easy to assume groups are going to tear eachother apart over minor ideological differences. in reality the right are capable of working with high levels of cognitive dissonance which is why they've achieved so much over the last few years

when she went on chapo the example she used as evidence of fracturing was milo being fired for his pedo comments but anyone could see that this was an organised media hitjob and most people still support milo, she's clutching at straws

>>9324457
They are not contrarian and neither is 4chan
4chan is just very pro-freedom and mistrustful of any sorts of vague power structures, ironically I think the attraction of fascism is the clairty it represents compared to other contemporary politics.
4chan is anti-democracy but pro liberty if that makes sense

>>9324123
Pretty much all writing about the internet fundamentally misunderstands the internet.

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>>9324525
Fascism is popular on 4chan because it's edgy and because it's funny. I don't save Merchant memes because I want to throw my Jewish friends and acquaintances into concentration camps, I save them because they're funny and sometimes hit on a bit of truth.
Meanwhile, there are genuine Far Right Internet groups who try to get people to join them by posting on /pol/. These people don't 'get' the joke at all, they don't get that they're as much the butt of it as the Merchant is. They think that there is a genuine camaraderie of like-minded White Men on /pol/.
The only /pol/ browser I know other than myself is a half-Asian Social Democrat.

>>9324494
The alt right is a degeneration of so many genuine attempts to understand and mo e away from dogmatic left/right dichotomy. Angela writes of the alt rights roots and influence from the European New Right but it has taken a complete departure from this school a long time ago, Eugene montsalvat wrote of this over a year ago and was ostracised by the self aggrandisers like Spencer for it. Whatever attempts were made in the alt rights nascent stage has since been derailed by crude bigotry and Nazi worship

>>9324525
so you are saying that 4chan is an union of egoists? sweet

>>9324541

I would agree with that. I think to truly grasp what 4chan is about, you have to lurk/post regularly for months if not years. No one can just look at it one day and so "huh. so this is 4chan"

For instance, when people on here call each other faggots, someone who's naive about the sight might assume we all horribly hate each other, when "faggot" has become almost endearing

>>9324494
You're just speaking as an outsider yourself, being a left winger it's hard to understand their motivations.
I'll agree that these people are mostly pretty brain dead but the rabble always are. I believe ultimately this is a quest for "truth" and clarity in society. People perceive that they are being lied to, and see that society is nothing but a massive sham, yet are forced to play along and see that other people are playing along as well (which they see as insincere)

This new right is a rejection more of tha insincerity and seeking a more valid way to live. Ultimately the biggest issue is capitalist subversion as it subverted the left and old right utterly.

>>9324507
I meant i don't use Pol anymore, there is no value in it now

>>9324545
You're not wrong, but you're also not right. When you think someone's posting alt-right memes ironically, much of the time it's sincere. And sincere alt-right posters think that the ironic memes are sincere. Both of you think that the other one doesn't "get" it, that they're the ones who really knows what's what, and it goes on.

>>9324545
>Fascism is popular on 4chan because it's edgy and because it's funny.
Hi Angela. If this is how your book explains it as well: you're wrong.

>>9324545
Truth follows humour, you wouldn't find it funny if it didn't hit at something you believed in to some degree.
Fascism is aggressive and unbound, this is why it's popular, old left marxists are seen as either old or castrated meaning they are not as attractive.

Regardless of the desire to be "edgy" there is a reason fascist ideas are so powerful, they represent objectivity and truth in a world that is incredibly unclear and vague. The truth of that truth is irrelevant as man merely seeks to create his own truth and establish objectivity for himself, which is what the right wants.

>>9324562
>Pol
What the fuck? How new are you? I bet you have been browsing /b/ for not even a year and you think you understand 4chan as an imageboard.

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>>9324570

>>9324494
I'd claim that lack of father figures and masculine role models is crucial when it comes to alt right psychology.

Alt-right and alt-righters (Sam hyde, Milo etc) have a disdain for women and particularly single mothers. They cling to frail pseudo-masculine traits like being "emotionally poised" and "daring to tell the truth". Even though the alt right is probably the most sensitive movement when it comes to critisism and arguement, a big part of it is saying fuck you to PC culture and safe spaces, because it's masculine to them.

Look at many of the profilic /pol/ /r9k/ altright front figures. They have a view of women as evil, swallow creatures and often a warped relationship with their own mother (Elliot Rodgers, Sam Hyde etc). They make theories about the lack of female success, aka the red pill, and theorize about how to get pussy from these estranged evil creatures.
They're not seldomly obsessed with lifting weights and violence, again, trying to find themselves in what it means to be a man. Many worship Trump as a 'strong masculine leader who doesn't take any shit', who "btfos" women and so on. Those who're not Trump fans are often fans of other masculinic icons like german nazis, god emperor from warhammer or Vikings

>>9324570
It's post-ironic to the point of going full circle. Sam Hyde's scientific homophobia in a hipster bar wasn't sincere, it was done fully aware it was outrageous ly fake information but it was still an attempt to strike out at the audience who is offended by it. I doubt most channels who post Holocaust denial memes sincerely believe it was a hoax but are still antisemitic

>>9324545
This is why I stopped shitposting ironically. At this point though i think it's too late.

>>9324605
Oh, and add to that the entire cuckolding thing, of course. Anyone who's not with them are against them because they let their women have sex with well endowed african men. If that boogeyman strawman doesn't signal lack of confidence in masculinity, i dont know what does

>>9324557
Not a left winger.
As with most groups, the majority will always be brain-dead meme spouters.
Those who seek to retreat from society don't go joining internet movements, especially as childish as these ones.
Like I said, most normal right-wingers already abandoned the term.
But yes, there is truth to what you're saying.

>>9324605
>alt-righters (Sam hyde
Haha what? You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop speaking of what you have no knowledge of.

>Angela Nagle
Fuck, one letter off from being an anagram.

>>9324570
/pol/ isn't alt-right, though. It predates the Alt Right. It's fallacious to equate the two.
>>9324582
>Truth follows humour
This is vague.
>>9324574
I'm not her lol
>>9324605
>Sam Hyde
Is that woman in those videos really his mother?

>>9324605
Sammie boi's vlog on forgoing finding an interesting attractive mate and settling for a "dumdum" you can turn into your domestic servant opened my eyes

>>9324605
I think it's also a malaise about culture.

There's nothing to get excited about in liberalism/globalism. Your highest value is basically making sure people don't get made fun of for having piss sex or whatever. What's compelling about that, and who would want to fight for it?

>>9324605
>Sam hyde
Sam Hyde is a classic liberal you dumb fuck. And the ''alt-right'' (or whatever you like to call your boogeyman) hate Milo for his blatant homosexuality. It's only a small percentage of Trump voters who actually follow the guy and are mostly just anti-feminism (especially since Milo fucks black guys he doesn't know each saturday and even excused hebephilia).

>>9324619
I think the obsession with associating race with the cuckolding meme is as much propagated by the liberal/ left media as it is by alt righters. The disgust is directed towards the racist element, not the element of humiliation and emasculation of the person, cuckold has of course been a derogatory remark for centuries, i don't think anyone should say it shouldn't be a pathetic situation to be in

I don't read books written by women, unless I'm reading them to my children.

>>9324645
>2017
>Denying that the Alt Right exists when people self-identify as being part of it
Why do people do this?

>>9324552
Yes
On the internet we have nothing but egos

>>9324654
>If people self-identify as something that's what they are

oh, i see

>>9324629
What other woman would ever put up with him?

>>9324577
I hate empowerment of the weak in general and "feminine" virtues

>>9324654
People also self-identify as Anonymous. Doesn't mean Anonymous actually exists. Also: good job ignoring everything else I posted.

>>9324625
>>9324645
>I haven't read Hyde's twitter feed, watched any of his interviews or saw his god-awful attempt of le red pill humor on adult swim
yeah total conservative liberal guys haha

>>9324570
Even irony holds truth
People don't make jokes and play about with this they utterly despise
I'm not a goosestepping skinhead but I'm still fairly right leaning

>>9324673
I'm tired of Sam's flirting with the worst the alt right has to offer but if you think world peace was an attempt at "red pill" you must be utterly consumed by your particular ideology

>>9324645
Sam Hyde is a libertarian. But yes, he has some characteristics of a liberal (for example hating cops).
>>9324625
He's definitely alt-right, even if I'd prefer him not to be. His facebook is a clusterfuck of pepe/trump memes, and it's sad beyond words.

>>9324660
>>9324671
>The Democratic Party doesn't exist, there are just people who self-identify as democrats
>Same for the Republican party
>Same for everything else that people identify as, the USA doesn't exist, there are just a bunch of states that claim to be a part of it
Are you trying to make a point about the nature and function of language, or are you just being retarded?

>>9324630
I agree with this honestly
Not that I hate women or am afraid of intelligence, just that it creates an unstable dynamic, and honestly being with a more "simple" yet sweet girl is so much more fulfilling

I love my gf a lot and I feel bad about saying this, but she can be a little basic, but she tries hard and genuinely cares about everything she does, it's very cute and I feel like she respects me as I do her. I've dated so called "smart" girls before and they've always been selfish and awful relationships

>>9324694
I'm not utterly consumed by any ideology to be fair, I'm from a northern European country without many divides and issues so politics don't interest me much. It's hard to avoid /pol/ people and alt righters when you spend so much time on 4chan as I do, though.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is Sam Hyde isn't alt right, then who is? I thought his anti-pc, anti-feminism, anti-jew and pro-trump agenda together with shitty /pol/ memes made him the epitome of the movement.

>>9324673
>le red pill humor
Wait you mean his anti-police and anti-establishment skits he did?
>Hyde's twitter feed
You need to understand his post-irony. This man retweeted a tweet by Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump within an hour as a joke. 90% of his Twitter is him being ironic and trying to be funny (whether or not he succeeds is another question).
>his interviews
You mean the Buzzfeed one? Please don't mean the Buzzfeed one.

Just because someone is against political correctness doesn't mean he is a racist anti-semite.

>>9324698
>Sam Hyde is a libertarian. But yes, he has some characteristics of a liberal (for example hating cops).
Yes.
>He's definitely alt-right, even if I'd prefer him not to be. His facebook is a clusterfuck of pepe/trump memes, and it's sad beyond words.
Again he is poking fun at the people. He makes them out as idiots. He even had some stupid ''pizzagate'' tweet pinned at the top for a while even after saying that he (obviously) doesn't believe it holds any truth. It's him being ironic again.

>>9324706
>You're are le retarded xDDD
Please stop posting anytime.

>>9324694
World peace was good and very moderate honestly

>>9324310

I bet she was an aspie

>>9324722
>Just because someone is against political correctness doesn't mean he is a racist anti-semite.
>ignoring the 5+ stand-up routines where he bashes jews and implies the holocaust is a hoax
I bet he's just too post-ironic for me to understand that he's not antisemitic at all, right :^)

>>9324745
Those poor Jews
Remember the 20 million goyim

>>9324719
I can't essentialise him with the 1488ers he often lampooned. World peace had some pieces with very scathing social cultural commentary but i find it hard to characterise "the man who couldn't be what they made him to be" as "red pilled"

>>9324722
>>You're are le retarded xDDD
>Please stop posting anytime.
I was serious, I'm willing to listen to whatever you have to say about the nature and function of language.

>>9324745
Again it's a joke. If it is actually funny depends on the person but it remains a joke.

He also has a joke in that stand-up routine where he says that he didn't know that 9/11 happened. But I guess he was 100% seriously on that one as well.

>>9324750
>tfw you've got the Dachau Blues

>>9324605
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9324761
STILL CRYIN BOUT THE BURNIN BACK IN WORLD WAR TWOS

>>9324507
What's TRS?

>>9324750
yeah, those are the ones I meant. Are you saying that's not antisemitic?
>>9324757
I mean at some point, no matter how "ironic" your comedy is, you gotta own up if a common theme in your comedy is claiming the holocaust never happened and the jews being a scourge on society.

politics aside, I loved Sams vertical videos and street interviews. /pol/ ""humor"" and trying to be political ruined him, along with all the beta dicksuckers riding his obese cock whatever shit he spews out

>>9324745
>you can joke about anything you want
>but not the holocaust you stupid goy, that's off limits!

>>9324777
How exactly is a Holocaust joke anti-Semitic if it doesn't involve a caricature of a particular Jew or of Jewish stereotypes in general?
Making jokes about Holocaust denial != Holocaust denial. There is no way to square that circle.

>>9324778
Oh shit, I missed where in my post I implied anything like that. Care to point that out for me, anon? Your reading comprehension seems so next level that you're just reading things that aren't there to be read.

>making jokes about the holocaust != constantly bashing the jews without humorous value
keep crying alt-cuck, go be triggered somewhere else

>>9324777
>I mean at some point, no matter how "ironic" your comedy is, you gotta own up if a common theme in your comedy is claiming the holocaust never happened and the jews being a scourge on society.
He just does it because it gets people angry. The holocaust is one of the worst things that happened in the past 100 years and claiming it's funny (or even worse: that it never happened) gets people angry and pissed off. It's the same thing as when he went to some hipster club to claim that homosexuality is bad. He knows it gets people angry and he enjoys that.

>>9324785
>How exactly is a Holocaust joke anti-Semitic if it doesn't involve a caricature of a particular Jew or of Jewish stereotypes in general?
He has some standup show where the joke is that he wants to deny Germany any jews, with the punchline being "oh man they're really gonna miss their blood sucking media temepering parasites, won't they?!"
>several occasions of >muh six gorillions

>>9324802
Jew's don't make up a vastly disproportionate amount at the top of media corporations in America?

>>9324766
The Right Stuff

>>9324819
That's not the point here, friend. I'm claiming that Sam is antisemetic, if there's any truth to critisize jews is a completely different issue

>>9324790
Why do you come on 4chan if you can't handle someone poking fun at you?

>>9324835
To be fair, there is a pinch of truth in antisemitism. Celine wasn't wrong

>>9324835
>anti-semitism is bad even if it's justified

>>9324718
Just know that intelligence is largely inherited from your mothers side.

>>9324846
>>9324718
there are also more women of average intelligence than men of either extremes of intelligence

>>9324718
james joyce said the same thing

he claimed he didnt like smart women and that feminism didnt make women happier

>>9324842
>>9324843
>being on /lit/ when you have the reading comprehension of a third grade refugee
Again, i'm saying he's an antisemite. If he's righ in that or not, that's another question entierly.

I want /fit/tards to leave.

>>9324824
Thanks, dood.

>>9324846
Proof?

>>9324557
>People perceive that they are being lied to, and see that society is nothing but a massive sham, yet are forced to play along and see that other people are playing along as well
Yeah, that's what happens when you become an adult, and that was the motive behind every youth movement of the past century. Zazous, hippies, punks, emo kids, and all the other teenagers who thought their parents were imbeciles and hypocrites. The only old people who claim to be alt right do so for the money, like Alex Jones.

>>9324846
I can't say it has to do with intelligence so much as personality

many (((Smart))) girls are not terribly smart, meanwhile its not like my gf is a moron since she's very competent with her work, she just has a naturally sweet and caring personality and actively enjoys typical "home maker" stuff like cooking and sewing

>>9324861
what i'm trying to say is if anti-semitism is justified, then why complain about it?

>>9324058
I'm sure it will be shit.

>>9324889
seriously, j.d salinger rode the wave right into cliche-wipeout.

What is there to understand about the alt right even? It's just butthurt about minorities and social liberalism.

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>>9324777
I'm saying I'm not concerned about anti-semitism

>>9324903

The point was never whether or not anti-Semitism is justified, the point is that ironic anti-Semitism is still anti-Semitism. Your views on Sam Hyde or the Jews are irrelevant; the point is that it's anti-Semitic to traffic repeatedly in anti-Jewish tropes for fun and laughter, regardless of whether or not you "really" believe them or whether or not Jews wield too much power in American society.

>>9324981
So can anti-Semitism be justified or not?

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I just want all communists to be lined-up and shot. Does that even make me alt-right?

PS: My definition of communists include self-described progressives and liberals.

>>9325002
You're definitely Alt Right because you can't differentiate between liberals and opponents of liberalism.

>>9325002
I want them all to live in communists utopia, but alas, it is never real communism.

>>9325008
We will see if commies are really opponents of liberalism if we have a runoff election between Le Pen and Macron in France.

If Melenchon endorses Macron, and his voters vote for him, then I'm completely justified in lumping commies with liberals.

>>9325022
By that standard, libertarians and fascists are one and the same because members of each category supported Trump. This is like a more retarded form of horseshoe theory.

>>9324902
That's fine honestly, if you like each other that's all that should ever matter.

>>9325022
>im justified if communists won't vote fascist

>>9325000

I refuse the question in the terms in which it is posed, but your mighty trips compel me to respond. As a Jew, I will not condemn my own people, as I assume you would not condemn yours (whatever they may be.) I will say, though, that I deeply regret the union between mainstream Judaism and liberalism in this country and believe it to be bad for the Jews, bad for the country, and good only for the left.

>>9325022
Communists oppose capitalism, wage labor, private property, the state, and money, meanwhile liberals support all those things, so they are fundamentally different. Why not just declare everyone left of Pinochet unacceptably left and leave it at that for correctness' sake?

>>9325024
Plenty of libertarians have fascist sympathies nowadays.

>>9324058
That book will be forgotten in 5 years. You want to make a bet?

>>9325029
>as I assume you would not condemn yours (whatever they may be.)
That's a terrible assumption to make.
>>9325030
Gary Johnson is a fascist?

>>9325035
Gary Johnson is barely even a libertarian. He's a Republican who likes weed.

>>9324079
Hey Apo!

>>9325040
And yet the libertarian party nominated him last year.

So if this isn't going to be The Book that "understands" image board culture, what would the traits of the one that does?

>>9325052
it wouldn't exist

>>9325055
Why do you think that?

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>>9325052
"The Tao that can be told is not the true Tao."

>>9325060
You could never write such a book without being a part of it, and no one who was truly a part of imageboard culture would write a book about it.

>>9325052
Bro, it's gonna suck shit, just deal with this

>>9325061
>>9325065

These are different responses. Is the book impossible merely in practice or actually even theoretically?

>>9325065
>He hasn't read Hypersphere

>>9325030
>Communists oppose capitalism, wage labor, private property, the state, and money, meanwhile liberals support all those things

Do they? Or do they just see these things as the means towards and end which is the same end as the communists desire?

>>9325072
Both.

>>9325076
I don't have to read it to know it will be pretentious drivel.

>>9324605
You have no fucking clue. Neck yourself.

The alt-right don't have a disdain for women- they have a disdain for feminism and the attitudes it instills in women, i.e. 'screw men', 'muh wagegap', 'the sexes are equal despite their obvious genetic differences' and 'girls can do it better' (despite being handed every advantage and only doing so marginally). We hate single moms because if you burn the coal you've got to pay the toll... and statistics show they are societal cancer.

>>9325078
Liberals support all those things, yes. That's literally what the word 'liberal' means.

>>9325035
>That's a terrible assumption to make.

Why? It would be shameful to condemn one's own. Criticize harshly, perhaps even viciously, yes, but to condemn? There's something defective about one who doesn't defend what is near and dear.

>>9325078
Well, given that liberals have continually upheld capitalism, private property, and the state, it would be pretty bizarre if they came out and said "It was just a prank bro!" and dissolved them all.

>>9325080
Hypersphere IS /lit/ my friend

*ralph voice*

Hahaha

It's funny cause theres a picture of a frog on the cover :8)

>>9325087
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you distinguished between harsh criticism and condemnation. You gave me the strong impression that harsh criticism amounts to anti-Semitism just as much as condemnation does, i.e. if I say "Jews make too big a deal out of the Holocaust" you gave me the impression that you would react as if I had said "The Holocaust was a good idea." I am absolutely willing to criticize my own country (the USA). I am also absolutely willing to believe that judges in this country routinely administer the death penalty to American citizens, i.e., one can and does condemn one's own. It is your own personal bias qua a Jew that makes it difficult for you to understand this.

>>9325089
I would agree with this apart from the notion they want to uphold the concept of the state. They want the dissolution of borders and all obstacles to global free trade and movement, not compatible with nation states

>>9325089
Wait and see. It will happen within our lifetimes.

>>9325078
I think the modern liberal movement is mostly pro-corporatist and simply wants to push the debt ever higher. They don't really have much of a concern as to where the money goes, it's just a matter of greasing the palms of the voters with tax money and bank loan money.
I don't think the republicans are actually opposed to this, but modern conservatives(a.k.a old people with values from the 70s) support a reduction in the growth of spending or even more impossible, an actual balanced budget.
The argument is that the liberals are kind and caring and that the conservatives hate everyone and are greedy, so when you talk about 'communists' I simply have to disagree that they even exist. Socialism is what is dominating the modern western movement, there's no one seriously thinking about changing the economic model, merely guiding it to where they want it to go.
Maybe in 50-60 years when the technology fundamentals are there and we have the majority of the population living entirely off government benefits, maybe then they'll seriously bring up communism. By then, I don't think it's going to be communism in the same sense as we understand communism.
>>9325083
pretty much just a counterculture to the liberal movement that tries its best to be the women's party? alt-right to me just sounds like the new conservatives, who grew up liberal but then found out that liberalism has nothing to offer them.

>>9325120
They don't want to dissolve the state, what the fuck are you talking about? How do you think property rights are going to get enforced without a state? The whole point of things like American trade deals is to protect property rights for American corporations in exchange for access to US markets. The whole point of immigration is to reduce the cost of labor and increase the creditor base while funding pensions through taxation. Presumably the alt-right has figured this out by now, but the managerial ruling class views them as being as inferior to themselves as the alt-right views blacks, and it's not because of a grand Jewish conspiracy.

It could be that someday they will replace nation-states with a global state, but I think a global capitalist state is not really what Marxists were envisioning. America would be the closest approximation to the global capitalist state existing today.

>>9324494
You don't even understand the alt-right.
It started as a media crafted composite bogeyman made out of various sections and subcultures of the internet that were united by support for Donald Trump.
No one within any of these cultures acknowledged this title, and many resented it. Then various internet hucksters and charlatans started claiming they were the leader of the alt-right for attention, and to get book deals and speaking engagments. This then attracted hundreds of reddit tier new fags who began self-identifying as alt-right.

>>9325114

Perhaps part of the problem is an in-group/out-group issue. Chris Rock says things about black people that I never could, and this is right and proper, as I am not black. Your distinction between loving the US and then sentencing murderers to death is sophistical. Imagine sentencing your friend or brother to death, even if he had committed a murder. I hope that you would not (though you may also refrain from impeding the court.)

In general, I don't think particularism is a bad thing. Part of why the alt-right emerged is because the left pushed way too hard in universalism; this is a backlash. Stupid, perhaps, but understandable.

Another example, one less polemical: you might complain about your hometown to a buddy, but if someone from out of state starts badmouthing it, then fuck that guy.

Also, and I probably wouldn't admit this off of 4chan, but Jews do focus too much on the Holocaust. I'd like my ideal Judaism to be a little more Book of Joshua, a little less Lamentations. As I would like America to be a little more Federalist (or even Anti-Federalist) papers, a lot less guilt.

>>9325173
>Your distinction between loving the US and then sentencing murderers to death is sophistical
How?
>Imagine sentencing your friend or brother to death
Why should I do that? You've defined 'your own' as Jews for you. I don't see any reason to think that this is less 'sophistical' than what I do when I identify 'my own' as Americans.
>you might complain about your hometown to a buddy, but if someone from out of state starts badmouthing it, then fuck that guy.
No, I would agree with him, my hometown is terrible. I hate that I grew up here.
>but Jews do focus too much on the Holocaust. I'd like my ideal Judaism to be a little more Book of Joshua, a little less Lamentations. As I would like America to be a little more Federalist (or even Anti-Federalist) papers, a lot less guilt.
You really ought to say this to your fellow Jews, because otherwise only anti-Semites will. Refusing to speak your mind about these things is cowardice.

>>9325158
I didn't say anything about communists. However they do share the dream of a global cosmopolitanism and breakdown of borders. Liberals just pursue their dream through capitalism

>>9325173
Jews have a huge in group preference that whites lack.

>>9325032
More like forgotten in 5 minutes.

>>9325212
>Horseshoe theory
Oh, so you're just braindead.

>>9325215
White nationalism, like all race Nationalism is a debasement of real nations.

>>9325065
we're hitting levels of post-modernism that shouldn't even be possible.

>>9325229
Worse than that, it's a conscious affectation of left-wing racial liberation politics that are themselves aesthetically garish and ideologically vapid. Left-wing rhetoric with right-wing goals.

>>9325224
Horseshoe theory is bullshit. The logical conclusion of liberalism however is the universal global state unified by its commitment to capital rather than class solidarity

>>9325140
No, Liberals are the same 100 years ago as they are today.

>>9325239
Failing to distinguish between stateless Communism and stateless capitalism makes you just as bad as horseshoe theorists.

>>9324745
you're a bad person

if you can stand the hosts' faggotry, here's an interview with the author

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-86-fash-the-patriarchy-feat-angela-nagle-22617

>>9325258
Isn't stateless capitalism a condition for successful communist revolution, though?

Marx supported the free-market because he believed that doing so would prepare the way for communism. It's impossible to know whether liberals are sincere in their economic liberalism os if they are just crypto-communist accelerationists because of that. I sincerely believe that Milton Friedman, for example, was a commie, who worked to remove the cultural and political constraints on capitalism and leave it to fulfill the role that Marx desired it to fulfill.

That's why liberalism and communism are one and the same, one merely the auxiliary line of the other according to the circumstance.

>>9324636
Don't get forget about branding yourself, take that snap, shoot that insta, tweet that tweet, link to the in

>>9324058
>Zero Books

Not getting my hopes up desu

>>9325272
lol

>>9325229
Nations are based on people and in group preference. As you can see by groups such as AIPAC, Jews prefer their own group more than that of the nation they live in, in this case the US. It's not wrong that they have in group preference but that others are not allowed to have it, mainly Europeans and those of European descent.

>>9325272
Market freedom requires the liberal state's presence in order for property laws to be enforced. You completely overlook this, which makes it possible for you to make your assertion that liberalism is Communism.

>>9325195

Let's back off from the murder analogy. I can condemn a Jewish murderer or an American murderer, as can you. The original question was, "is anti-Semitism ever justified." I guess I'm forced, by my own principles, to answer yes, provided by anti-Semitism we mean, "Jews are annoying and bitch too much," and not, "Jews deserve to be gassed."

Here's an analogy, and one that I hope will bring us to agreement. Say that the question is, "Is anti-Americanism ever justified?" Yes, if you mean, "America meddles too much in other countries' business," no if you mean, "Those infidel dogs deserve 9/11." I think you and I may disagree less than we think.

>Criticize Jews, or the anti-Semites will.
I'm going to think about this. You have a point.

>>9325215
Is this true? Maybe the group of "whites" is just larger, so they don't come up against an out-group. I'm willing to bet that if you're white, you've dated mostly white people, grown up in white neighborhoods, have white friends, etc. Which is not necessarily wrong, but it's a little hypocritical to then go, "Look at all those clannish Jews!"

>>9325287
>Here's an analogy, and one that I hope will bring us to agreement. Say that the question is, "Is anti-Americanism ever justified?" Yes, if you mean, "America meddles too much in other countries' business," no if you mean, "Those infidel dogs deserve 9/11." I think you and I may disagree less than we think.

I'm glad that we've found common ground.

>>9324718
I felt the same way once but if you ever do get into a relationship with a smart girl though it will end horribly will probably be incredibly more passionate. It's like being in a relationship with a fellow shitposting anon

>>9324556
That was an excellent post, faggot.

>>9324562
/pol/ was made as a containment board and was always supposed to be shit. maybe there has been a dip in "quality" recently, but it's like saying you no longer want to hang around the city dump because someone took a shit in it

>>9324666
Kek digits of truth

>>9324846
fuck that explains a lot

>>9324846
Sounds like pop-science bullshit to me.

>>9324605
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up.

>>9324494
False.

>>9324545
Not even close. The fact that you don't get it doesn't mean it's the case for everyone.

>>9324570
Getting closer.

>>9324648
>i don't think anyone should say it [cuckolding] shouldn't be a pathetic situation to be in
>he doesn't enjoy the most intellectual fetish


>>9324058
More seriously though, the alt-right is fundamentally a reaction. As Nietzsche said in BGE about the irrealists and those who in the modern world long for the "real world", they might not ask or look for the right things, but their instinct is not mistaken ; they feel something is off about this world, and do not accept it. They occupy the social space that previous counter-cultural movements have occupied. The radical right, for those born after 1990 and the millenials yet to come of age, WILL BE the equivalent of being a hippie in 1967 ; it is the only possible discourse against capitalism. Why is that ?

The unholy alliance of the radical left with capitalism, namely liberalism --- and by liberalism, I mean that which gave us Gluten-Free Pizza and All-Gender Bathrooms ; that which gave us companies selling fucking soap with fat-acceptance commercials while also owning Axe Bodyspray and running its womanizing commercials ; that which added 16 more letters, signs, numbers and diacritics to "LGBT" just to further box insane people to sell them shit ; damn, in the end, that which brought us sprite and shall sell sprite to the BEIGE-POWER TRANSQUEER DEMIQUEENS OF THE 22ND CENTURY ; all that, I mean liberalism, is a mix of radical left and capitalism (no, Adorno and Co. have nothing to do with it you dumb conspiracy-ridden goys, they just wanted to change the world and listen to Schoenberg and his kike friends' music), and is the movement to which the alt-right is reacting.

Liberalism as a mix of identity-based radical left and capitalism, is fundamentally divisive and removes all possibilities of action from a real left, and thus complies with capitalism, instead spending its energies on endless debates and offenses on minor shit about some new identity no one cares about. Liberalism cannot formulate a critique of our world ; it is beyond its capacities of expression (as its discourse is limited to identity and individual oppression) and against its best interests.
Capitalism is the enemy. If the left was still able to critique and endanger capitalism, I would be a fucking leftist. But only the radical right does that which the left used and is supposed to do.

The alt-right hates "liberalism" as a socio-economic manifestation of power, of negative power. The alt-right might be dumb, uneducated and often cringe-worthy, it's the most life-affirming tendency or movement there is right now. If we could remove the hate it contains, (such hate is for the weak and the ill-constituted), it would be fucking beautiful.

>>9325371
>As Nietzsche said
Stopped reading there.

>>9325376
Why? Do you think he's a nihilist?
Did you know the word "nihilist" comes from "Nietzsche"?

>>9325376
Same desu

>>9325389
No, I don't think he's a nihilist. I think that using Nietzsche to explain the Alt Right is completely unnecessary and requires you to demonstrate a genuine understanding of Nietzsche that amounts to more than the knowledge that he set up nihilism as his opponent and foresaw something like contemporary culture in his figure of the Last Man. Anyone can throw around words like 'life-affirming' and 'nihilism' and throw a bunch of filler in with them to make a few paragraphs of bullshit look profound. I've spent enough time on the Internet to know how the average Nietzsche citation ends.

>>9324846
Bullshit. People still believe that about baldness as well.

>>9325113
>*ralph voice*
>Hahaha
You're not allowed to use Simpsons memes if you've never watched the Simpsons.

>>9325371
>makes fun of anon for not "getting" it
>doesn't get the radical left

>>9325371
Damn dude, get to the point. like god damn no one wants to read all that flowery text.

>>9325412
I quoted a line of his that had nothing to do with his general ideas, because I wanted to refer to the instinct behind the alt-right without being accused of plagiarism.
You're a fucking insecure faggot.
If you think I threw "a bunch of filler" between a quote and the word "life-affirming", you're a fucking dumb piece of shit.

>>9325431
>You're a fucking insecure faggot.
Spoken like a true fucking insecure faggot who has to cite Nietzsche in order to justify his own trite observations about the state of modern society.

>>9325426
No one forced you to read, dumb low attention span-having, instant entertainment-consuming, cock-mongering batracian fucking bitch-ass nigga.

(now that's some filler)

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>>9325440
>No one forced you to read
Well, some of us tried to read it, it's just that it was poorly written and boring and took too long to get to the point, which wasn't even interesting or original or all that insightful.

>>9325438
Can't you fucking read you dumb bitch?
I quoted him because I said something he had said and I didn't want a fucking faggot like you popping up and starting to argue that I was stealing his ideas.

Just fucking neck yourself.

>>9325371
Since when does the radical right oppose capitalism? It doesn't oppose private property, production for profit, etc.

Aryan-oriented capitalism to benefit the Nation is still capitalism, it just has a slightly different goal than liberal orthodoxy.

>>9325431
>worried about plagiarism on anonymous newar tattoo based board

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>>9325446
>I quoted him because I said something he had said and I didn't want a fucking faggot like you popping up and starting to argue that I was stealing his ideas.
Well, now you have a different problem: people think you're a pretentious pseud who can't justify his own opinions without resorting to quoting one of the most easily misunderstood and overused philosophers of modernity.

>>9325447
Capitalism, like all -isms, holds something as the "Supreme Good", in this case "capital", as the name states. All right-wing movements are fundamentally anti-capitalistic.
Only since neo-cons do people think
>capitalism = good conservative healthy ideas
>not capitalism = bad progressive sickly shit
But capitalism is fundamentally progressive and "liberal" in the contemporary sense of the term.

>>9325468
No, not in the contemporary sense of the term, in every valid sense of the term that has ever been used historically.

>>9325468
now that's some revisionism. do you think the alt right is the new punk rock too?

>>9325468
So you're going to have a right-wing government that abolishes private property and does away with production for profit? Also, I'm sure neoreactionaries would find
>all right-wing movements are anti-capitalistic
amusing.

>>9325484
NRx is the only part of the digital Right that has anything going for it in terms of ideology. Is Nick Land NRx?

>>9325447
The far right in general doesn't oppose freedom of enterprise or private property. The main critique of capitalism from the right is the dysgenic effect to cultural cohesion and morality, deracination and atomisation caused by unfettered corporate capitalism, along with the decline of parallel social institutions which provided meaning and purpose that transcended economic activity.

>>9325484
You confuse terms.
Capitalism is the protestant, mediocre and plebeian idea that work and money are the two most important things in life.
Capitalism will do anything to sell shit to anyone. They would, and they will destroy the whole west (protip: mass immigration isn't a jewish plot, it's capitalism not giving a fuck about anything but profit) to make a few bucks off it.

>>9325484

Considering how staunchly anti-immigration and protectionist these alt-right homos are it might be true.

>>9325493
he was. who knows what he is now-a-days

>>9325493
presumably. I don't think the rest of the right has much of an ideology other than an ethno-state, trolling libs, and a desire for society to be oriented towards the greater good of their race.

>>9325497
this is just ethno-nationalist capitalism.

>>9325502
No, it's production of goods for profit, with private property rights protected by the state.

>>9325506
It would appear that what they desire is closer to autarkic capitalism.

>>9325526
>ancap alert

>>9325526
>this is just ethno-nationalist capitalism.
Not everyone on the far-right is ethno-nationalist anon.

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The alt-right would rather live in a white communist country than in a non-white capitalist country. At least I would.

Its intellectual predecessors like Francis Parker Yockey and Alain de Benoist explicitly said to conservatives that the Soviet Union comformed better to their ideals than the liberal West.

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Reminder that THIS is the future leftists want for our children. We can't allow THIS to happen

>>9325532
how do you figure?

>>9325537
You're right but what >>9325497 was describing basically sounds like ethno-nationalist capitalism to me. Apparently, production for profit and private property will be kept in place, while somehow the effects of it that the right acknowledges (dysgenics, loss of cultural cohesion and morality, atomiation, decline of social institutions that create meaning) will be avoided through: >??????
Disciplined instillation of race consciousness, I guess? These effects are present even in Japan, the most race-conscious capitalist country, so I don't see how race consciousness would prevent this.

>>9325542
this, the PRC or USSR (or even the DPRK if it were less backward) are closer to what the alleged anti-capitalist right would want.

>>9325542
Wouldn't go as far as communism, but I think something like scandinavian democratic-socialism would work. Honestly, I really don't give a shit about economics anymore tbqh. The socio-cultural issues are the important thing, I could care less about fucking tax rates at this point.

>>9325542
>the alt-right believes X
How to spot someone who doesn't understand what the alt right is

>>9325571
You might care when there's not enough people to provide goods and services.

>There are people in this thread right now that think all the alt-right stuff is just memes and irony
You guys really haven't been here long enough, or read enough. When we say that the Holocaust was a hoax, we're entirely serious--and if you take even 5 minutes to do your own research into the topic, you'll find that there are an insane amount of things that entirely contradict the narrative that everyone has been told to believe. There are even plenty of history scholars that have published credible journals on this topic, but of course nobody knows about them. I have Jewish friends, so it has nothing to do with being racist--it's entirely about questioning and getting to the truth of the matter, whatever that may be.

>>9325571
imo the fundamental tension in modern global capitalism is that it has no use for middling-IQ people in white countries, who are too expensive to hire. Even autarkic capitalism will eventually have this problem.

meanwhile, the right still wants to promote the well-being of these people, while keeping the system that wants to do exactly what the right doesn't want. It's like they're trying to be egalitarian by caring for dumb whites while also wanting to be inegalitarian through promoting ethnic capitalism. You can't have it both ways in the long term, I think. Maybe you could make something like a Saudi Arabia where disciplined use of religious propaganda is combined with a welfare state that mostly serves non-workers.

Leftism is slave morality of the highest order. The leftist depises everything that is goo, strong, beautiful and noble. It is the suicidal worship of ugliness, weakeness, disease and perversion Instead, we are made to kow tow to the mass of snivelling victimhood: obese pink haired trannies, burkas, savage ghetto thugs. That is supposed to be the end for us: prostrated in total submission to our shrieking and pathetic inferiors.Just because we dared to be great, because we dared to go beyond. But no, I refuse to die like a dog. I chose differently. I choose honor. I chose dignity, strength, life. I refuse to let the light of human achievement go out. For that you may call me a Fascist, a racist, but you know what? I don't care anymore.

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>>9325542
>>9325555
There is a lot of truth in the claim that the Soviet Union, after a certain point, "wasn't real communism". It just doesn't mean what apologists think it does. The communist movement was founded as a internationalist, revolutionary political movement, but along the way it became just a vessel for Russian nationalism and imperial politics. Traces of internationalism lasted until the 60s, but they were being gradually reduced from the time Trotsky was removed from the Politburo until Khruschev was substituted by Brezhnev.

The irony is that a lot of people who call themselves "anti-communists" only hate this second form of communism, communism as the aesthetics of Russian nationalism and imperialism in the 20th century. They don't have anything bad to say about international revolutionary communism. They write books about the Great Purge, and ignore dekulakization, they talk about Trotsky as if he was a progressive humanist, not some bloodthirsty petty tyrant who would gladly enslave the Russian working class through militarized labour.

Not coincidentally, a lot of these "anti-communists" are Jews and today they are neocons. They didn't change at all. They just came from a position where they wanted the Red Army and the Russian people to be the cannon fodder in the world revolution that would establish a global government under their control to a situation where they see the U.S. Army and the American people in that role instead.

>>9325615
alt-right is a fucking cringe term
I understand debating the authenticity of the holocaust but stop labeling yourself like a queer

>>9325652
neoconservatism is just Permanent Revolution with Americanism instead of Communism.

>>9324585
how relevant is /b/ nowadays? haven't been there since, like, 2013. i clicked it a few times and it's mostly 'pics u shouldn't share'.

>>9324494
pol is not even alt-right tho - it was full on trump train for the election but now no one gives a fuck. last 3 months of the elections were glorious tho, most fun i had 'meme wise' since boxxy or some shit

>>9324605
>>9324494
top1 thing to do on /pol/ right now is baiting ppl who really support trump - not just for the elusive lulz; so it's pretty funny when you discuss if they are manchildren or their father figures - they are just lost souls from r the donald, not native 4chan users

god i hope pootin will reclaim constantinopole one of these days

>>9325640
>I defend muh culture and muh race
>you're the slave moralist!

Before you read Nietzsche please start with Plato, it's pretty easy to misinterpret my friend.

>>9325555
Checked

>You're right but what >>9325497 (You) was describing basically sounds like ethno-nationalist capitalism to me. Apparently, production for profit and private property will be kept in place, while somehow the effects of it that the right acknowledges (dysgenics, loss of cultural cohesion and morality, atomiation, decline of social institutions that create meaning) will be avoided through: >??????
Disciplined instillation of race consciousness, I guess? These effects are present even in Japan, the most race-conscious capitalist country, so I don't see how race consciousness would prevent this.

There's a lot of divergence on solutions, disciplined instillation of race consciousness is one but I think the general consensus is some form of returning to traditional value systems (i.e. emphasis on family as the fundamental unit of society, traditional gender roles, civic virtue and engagement in local social institutions that provide community and purpose on the local level) combined with an ethnically homogenous society. "Coming Apart" by Charles Murray and "Bowling Alone" by Robert Putnam are both good starting points for this line of thought. Basically, the general idea is that people are much more alienated in multicultural societies, which is compounded by the destruction of authentic cultural identity in favor of commodified consumer identities and transactional relationships by globalized corporate capitalism.

>>9324058
It's from Zero Books, so even if you don't agree with the author's point of view, then it's still going to be at least quality controlled and fun to read.

>>9325475
The alt right IS the true punk rock. The only legitimate rebellion against the existing order in over 70 years. Punk rock was nothing more than a publicity stunt, literally manufactured by leftist pornographers intent on promoting their BDSM fetish shop, google Malcom McLaren if you don't believe me. The Left has ruled over us with a totalitarian fist since the 1960s, that's political correctness for you, God, Property, Family, Nation, Morality, all those things that makes us human are to be demolished in the name of progress, to be replaced with an LGBTQIA positive bdsm all ages pedo fursuit dungeon.I dont know how leftists have the gall to deny they are the establishment. A marxian sophist gets pretty much automatic tenure, 100K a year FEDGOV subsidized salary for talking about the irredemable evil of the capitalist white male, of the perfidy of the heterosexual nuclear family and of the victimised righteousness of islamists. While just try and point out the facts, the brutish hordes art the gate, theirbreeding rates, IQ distributions, the fact that they want us dead. All indiscutable, objective scientific facts, suddenly, they will start shrieking in animalistic hatred BIGOT! THOUGHTCRIME! THOUGHTCRIME!

>>9325663

This is the worst sentence I've ever read.

>>9325703
is this an ironic post?

>>9325673
Individualism is a creation of european culture, leftists are the ones who seek to destroy european culture out of self flagellating pathetic collectivism.

>>9325677
>Basically, the general idea is that people are much more alienated in multicultural societies, which is compounded by the destruction of authentic cultural identity in favor of commodified consumer identities and transactional relationships by globalized corporate capitalism.

Right, but Japan and South Korea are also alienated as fuck despite being orderly, safe, and not multicultural. Rich countries also tend to be less religious and traditional, though I suppose the Gulf monarchies would be an exception.

Anyway, how are you going to roll back globalization? There is no plausible route to accomplishing this while having a high-functioning economy. The closest you can get is to have closed borders with an otherwise open economy, but this doesn't really solve the issues facing rural/dumb whites. Your best bet would be something like the PRC where the Party is a major influence in every major corporation, or something close to the USSR where the state nationalizes all corporations in order to preserve rural jobs. You can't outsource if every corporation is owned by the State. Of course, both are self-proclaimed Communist countries.

>>9325726
>Anyway, how are you going to roll back globalization? There is no plausible route to accomplishing this while having a high-functioning economy.
Kek, can't wait for a non science fiction answer to that.

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>>9325703
Punk rock changed its meaning a lot to me when I realized how many of those guys were Jews. Malcom McLaren was Jewish, for example.

Another example is Brett Gurewitz, from Bad Religion, he designed the band's logo, that cross with a prohibition sign. If you are unaware, you just think it's an anti-religious symbol, but when you realize it was designed by a Jew, it suddently takes another meaning, it becomes the symbol of Jewish bigotry and hatred towards gentiles.

I genuinely believe this bigotry is the foremost phenomenom of the 20th and 21st century. You can't understand anything, be it communism, capitalism, anti-colonialism, mass migration, if you don't understand that monetary and cultural power is in the hands of a people who sincerely believes that everyone who is not them is literally cattle.

>>9325621
This is true, but I think people don't pay enough attention to how important the cultural side of it is. There is an argument to be made that if we have no use for middling-IQ people in modern capitalism, then why do we insist on importing huge amount of foreign immigrants? The increasing need for highly skilled labor is definitely a consideration, but I think a lot of the narrative we hear about how "white people just don't want to do these jobs" is a lot more smoke than fire. It's rhetorical cover for importing cheap foreign labor to leverage the labor market. If a company wasn't allowed to bring in H1B workers or whomever, they might be forced to raise wages for skilled workers or invest in training younger, less experienced workers like it used to be.

>>9325745
> then why do we insist on importing huge amount of foreign immigrants?
To increase the size of the credit base, fund pensions through taxation, and increase the size of the labor pool.

>"white people just don't want to do these jobs"
Do you want to work in the fields picking fruit for 3 dollars an hour?

>If a company wasn't allowed to bring in H1B workers or whomever, they might be forced to raise wages for skilled workers or invest in training younger, less experienced workers like it used to be.
Then companies will just try to automate more labor to bring their costs down. In economic terms, immigration freezes are just a band-aid.

>>9325640
is this copypasta?

>>9325738
The Sontag quote is out of context, it took me ten minutes on her Wikipedia page to understand that. Literally two paragraphs later she compares communism to fascism and accuses the Left, including herself, of spreading lies.

I guess that scary quotes are more important than context and significance, though.

>>9325762
>Do you want to work in the fields picking fruit for 3 dollars an hour?

Maybe we should make it law that those jobs pay more than $3 an hour.

>>9325762
>Then companies will just try to automate more labor to bring their costs down.

Who will you vote for once the Big Robo Cock has taken all you jobs?
Even now most women prefer a Big Robo Cock to pathetic human meat bag cock. When will Humans learn they are inferior?

>>9325713
this kind of thing is unironically going around alt-right peeps rn

>>9325777
I don't see the Right out protesting for a hypothetical minimum wage increase or strengthening of labor laws because they would benefit rural whites.

This also brings us back to trying to be more egalitarian (would anyone disagree that raising the minimum wage is an egalitarian policy?), while much of the right espouses inegalatarianism, and capitalism is inherently inegalatarian.

>>9325738
>Brett is a Jew so the crossbuster is loxist

the reality you live in must be an utter nightmare

>>9325745
The political economy of modern capitalism is almost entirely fictitious. Google is the 2nd or 3rd most valued company in the world and most of its profits come from ads that are only seen by automated web crawling bots. The more you look into stuff the more you realise we are trapped inside an elaborate theatrical representation of limitless economic growth even as objective living standard decline. The obsession with muh iq is just a by product of a general culture of metrics driven efficiency. But there is no goal except the perpetuation of the system itself.We could have achieved post scarcity back in the 60s at least, but all economic issues are issues of political economy. At this rate, the human species as a whole will be declared as an obstacle to accumulation somewhere around the mid century.

>>9325803
I suppose I was speaking as a matter of general principle there. You're right, the right doesn't really advocate for better labor conditions, and the alt-right certainly doesn't.

A truly people-benefiting party would probably have a hodge-podge of leftist and rightist positions, really. Maybe more to the right on certain social issues, and more to the left on certain economic issues, but not hewing fully to any side of the ideological spectrum.

>>9325726
>Right, but Japan and South Korea are also alienated as fuck despite being orderly, safe, and not multicultural.

Yes, but they share the same (more or less) westernized liberal value system which is part of the problem imo (focus on economic activity as primary purpose, elimination of traditional gender roles, dominance of transactional relationships vs. authentic community relationships, increasing emphasis on individual self-actualization, etc.) Granted, Japan at least is still pretty conservative by western standards but they are slowly becoming more liberal.

Honestly, I'm not sure I have any solid solutions. IMO it would have to be a cultural shift, not imposed from the top down. As far as govt. policies, I think that a focus on incentivising traditional marriage and gender roles and de-incentivising foreign immigration would certainly help.

Realistically, I think as the economy continues to stagnate and governments are forced to roll back social spending due to the mounting debt problems, we'll see an organic shift to more localized, community based support networks as people are no longer able to rely on the state for resources. People are eventually going to realize that materialism alone is not enough to live a meaningful life, which will happen much faster when globalized capitalism fails to deliver the economic prosperity it promised.

>>9325866
What are 'traditional' gender roles, exactly? Rightists tend to refer to an idealised version of a distinctly postwar suburban model that was pretty short lived in the larger scheme of things. Illegitimacy was rampant in the 18th century, specially among the popular classes which comprised the vast mayority of the population. Among the aristocracy, marriage was seen as contractual and in some instances, both man and wife where not only allowed but expected to take on younger lovers. The problem, imo, is more related to the general purposelessness of life under hyper rationalised capitalist society. A return to order imposed from above would look less like a pastoral village utopia and more like the third reich's experiments in total biopolitical control in which even the herrenvolk is reduced to cattle to be bred.

>>9325914
they don't know they mean. he cited Japan as having non-trad gender roles. as if gender roles develop independent of history and culture

>>9325762
>To increase the size of the credit base, fund pensions through taxation, and increase the size of the labor pool.

Right, and this is necessary because our pensions, healthcare, and social security spending among other things is unsustainable due to the native birth rates plummeting below replacement levels, and now our economy must grow perpetually or everything collapses, so we have to import foreigners to squeeze the last cent of profit possible by deflating wages in order to keep the whole system running for another couple years. Maybe replacing our traditional social institutions and letting the state take care of everything isn't the best idea.

>Do you want to work in the fields picking fruit for 3 dollars an hour?

No, I would like to not have to compete with 3rd world peasants willing to work for nothing, so that they are forced to pay a competitive wage for native born fruit pickers. It might not be enough to raise four kids on, but it used to be that all these jobs "white people don't want to do" like landscaping, fruit picking, dishwashing, paper delivery, etc. were the jobs teenagers used to do to get some experience under their belt.

>Then companies will just try to automate more labor to bring their costs down. In economic terms, immigration freezes are just a band-aid.

You're right to a certain extent, but I really believe that a lot of this argument is bullshit. It won't be cost effective for every company to automate, and even so companies still would need technicians, operators, administrators, etc. which they would have to hire and train here.

>>9324509
I liked the article but I like your analysis more. Have you compiled your thoughts anywhere, anon? I would read them.

>>9325963
>which they would have to hire and train here.
Why "here"?

>>9325762
farm labor and min wage cuck shit isnt work anyone can live on, allowing spic pseudo slaves that only pay sales tax and demand welfare and translation services is pants on head retarded economic policy

>>9325914
>expected to take on younger lovers
Where was this the case? Sounds like turbo-degeneracy to me.

>>9326016
>turbo-degeneracy
you remind me why relativism still should be taught despite itself

>>9326034
Or you could answer the question.

>>9326041
I don't know the answer, but neither do I make a value judgment from a position of ignorance.

>>9324058
shes a leftist this will be awful

>>9324058
>normie proves they have no clue what the hell theyre talking about for the millionth time

you know, all theses shitty articles and essays about the internet compel me to throw out every thing ever written by a 3rd party from "journalism" to "historicity" and never read non-fiction again

>>9325914
>What are 'traditional' gender roles, exactly?
Ideally, yes it is basically the idealised postwar suburban model like you said. I would temper that though by saying that while the standard of living of post-war families was unique to its time, the fundamental family structure (men provided the main source of income, women staying at home and raising the children, managing the household, engaging in community matters) has been relatively unchanged.

I think extending the family to include elderly family members again would also be very beneficial, as they both assist with childcare/domestic issues and can be cared for directly by the family rather than relying on dehumanizing state run homes.

>>9326053
Well actually you did. You projected whatever you wanted onto me and my motives and made a value call that I was speaking from a perspective of ignorant relativism.
I was inquiring because that sort of trend sounds like the kind of thing that would occur in a society under going moral decay and wanted to know where this was supposed to be happening so I could look further into it.

>>9326071
>I think extending the family to include elderly family members again would also be very beneficial
Excluding elderly family members from family life is an American/Scandinavian/German thing for the most part. Not a standard by any means.

>>9326072
Ok I get it. Degenerate = decadent. Read it as a generic negative.

>>9326016
>>9326041

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicisbeo
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistress_(lover)

>>9326105
I knew it was going to the french.

>>9325914
Sorry, forgot to address your other points.

>Illegitimacy was rampant in the 18th century, specially among the popular classes which comprised the vast mayority of the population.

Adultery was still held as a major sin, people are shitty, but it should definitely be discouraged. I think out of wedlock births are in the same vein, though modern birth control does make this much more manageable than in the past.

>Among the aristocracy, marriage was seen as contractual and in some instances, both man and wife where not only allowed but expected to take on younger lovers.

Seems more of an outlier than the norm, rich people have always been into freaky shit. I'm more concerned with reducing single parent/illegitimacy rates and incentivizing two-parent families, if a few rich people wanna swing that's not my main concern.

>The problem, imo, is more related to the general purposelessness of life under hyper rationalised capitalist society. A return to order imposed from above would look less like a pastoral village utopia and more like the third reich's experiments in total biopolitical control in which even the herrenvolk is reduced to cattle to be bred.

I agree entirely, I think I mentioned in >>9325866 that a top down solution wouldn't be feasible.

>>9324058
She didn't cover everything, didn't she? I mean, what are the odds she knows exactly what happened on 4chan over the last decade?

Her work is probably not complete. The only place where I can say there is stuff explaining about 4chan history is over the all-embracing library, and I am not sure she knows about it.

>>9324654
i self identify as a helicopter am i one?

>>9326087
Historically? I didn't know that. I still think it would be much more beneficial and dignified than the way we treat old people now though.

>>9326135
>the all-embracing library
You mean the magnet link to the torrent that was posted yesterday on /fitlit/?

>>9326142
Yes, if you know what to download you get stuff faster.

>>9326149
The size was menacing at first, but I got rid of the magazine scans and now it's at ~85GB instead of 176.

>>9326142
>>9323686
Is here now

>>9325028
>be mad when somebody lumps liberals together with communists
>lump nationalists together with fascists
???

>>9326182
>pretend le pen and vichy have nothing to do with each other

>>9326182
>>9326207
I fail to see how anyone takes politics seriously when you fucks cant even get your arbitrary labels in order

>>9324802
6 gorillion so antisemitic it was clearly 20 million pay shekels to the adl for your antisemitism

>>9324802
Sam Hyde is a fascinating yet chilling testament of digital media's terrible effect on the human. IDK if he could be said to have any actual 'beliefs' anything by this point. It would be like attributing beliefs to consumer brands or TV characters

>>9326373
this is a society where people form their opinion by regurgitating what they saw on TV or heard on talk radio

what fucking point is their to bother forming an opinion at this point? everybody elses worldview crumbles with a fucking five minute conversation

>>9326373
>>9326415
There was a thread about Peterson recently and it ended on a conclusion that no matter what brand of intellectual interpretation you choose to apply, it's going to be consumed by the consumerist Disneyland sooner or later, so might as well go full radical. My only hard convictions at this point are to not intentionally harm other beings (animals included, but YMMV) and don't leave much trash behind when I die. Everything else is a fucking kaleidoscope rushing towards the Sun.

>>9326207

Marine le Pen has made the party a lot more mainstream has she not?

>>9326434
I feel like making shit up as you go along eventually leads you into digging unmarked mass graves

>>9326434
That's pretty retarded, desu.

>>9326450
Well, probably and I get what people like Taleb mean when they refer to tradition as a great defense against unpredictability, but it still doesn't feel grounded in reality or reassuring.

>>9326470
That's probably because you're stuck in the ontological mindset and can't into the ontic itself.

>>9326482
Care to elaborate, anon?

>>9326497

Let's put it this way

If tradition is a set of behaviors. How the hell can behaviors not be grounded in reality? You can say that the behaviors are pointless, or detrimental, or beneficial to the society, the individual, etc but you can't really say they aren't grounded in reality because they are part of reality.

>>9326136
xd le ebin attack helicopter meme upvotes to the left

>>9326482
Do you not see how disingenuous that is? You're essentially saying to come to a conclusion even if the premise and arguments are weak. It's at best pandering.

>>9326714
I'm not even implying that there are arguments involved--tradition is something given, not something that is derived from a set of premises and conclusions.
>pandering
To whom? The people on this board who have read Heidegger?

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>>9325773
Seems pretty in-context to me.
The only element of recanting was due to her saying that "it slandered cancer patients"

I don't see anything indicating that she doesn't consider whiteness a scourge.

I'm really not one for all this pol business, but what you've said is a clear distortion of fact.
You can espouse the view that communism leads to fascism, and that the left has issues, while still holding hateful views of white people and white culture.

PICTURE FUCKING RELATED

>>9326136
Let me paraphrase this by substituting something equally absurd as "helicopter"
>If I self identify as a moose am I one
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bull-Moose-Party
Groups exist in a separate sense than individuals. If you and many others CE together and called yourselves helicopters, yeah you would be a helicopter. To disagree with this is to be a sort of mereological nihilist (which is a valid position, but judging from the conversational context not the opinion you hold). Do you think Republicans and Democrats are as non-existent as the alt-right?

>>9324058
>we are fucked up but so is society.
That's basically our driving principle in my opinion, and I hope she gets that. Any attempt to look at 4chan without putting it in the context of feminism/liberalisms destruction of traditional roles, and technology socially isolating people, is doomed to fail.

>>9325702
ok angela nagle

>>9324492
sent ;)

>>9324614
This desu. I think I've finally outgrown /pol/.

>>9324545
>/pol/ is just ironic shitposting anon
>trust me i'm part of the """"""""in-group""""""
>being this fucking naive and autistic
they don't call you guys 4cuck for nothing

>>9325371
Good points, but aren't you being a bit conspirationists, even if not intended?

There are no such entities as "the radical left" and "capitalism". It's either the result of human action or social phenomena, or both, depending on how you see it (not ruling out other options).

While it is true that they are indirectly tolerating each other and even getting mutual benefits, I think saying "alliance" is pushing it a bit too far, oversimplifying it. There are more variants involved, such as the people that constitute the left, the inherent instability of postmodernism and some readings of marx, the "nothing is sacred" approach of capitalism (for the sake of allegory), and etc.

I also disagree a bit on alt-right being the reaction such as were the hippies, or anything that came before, on that matter. What you say does make sense from "the enemy of my enemy" perspective, but that's not the fundamental nature of left or progressive "reactive" movements.


Why do people meme so much? Yes, some of what you said sound like the stereotypical /pol/tard and even has some funny and somewhat absurd elements to the general (common sense) worldview, but you've backed up what you said with arguments. Though not necessarily correct, nonetheless valid. Are people that averse to different ideas?

Traditional leftist here.

>>9327017
I'm currently banned for a month from 8/pol/ for posting a thread about the nature of the state, reason given was "redpill me on X bullshit." It's not like that board is still any good. If you genuinely believe that /pol/ is a collective of unabashed and unironic National Socialists/fascists/whatever then congratulations, you're the butt of a joke that you don't realize is being told.

>>9327019
>Good points, but aren't you being a bit conspirationists, even if not intended?
They're just words for the sake of expressing ideas in less than 4000 characters ; they do not reflect anything absolute, yet I think they do manage to formulate general trends. Although I wouldn't (like most of /pol/ or the alt-right) believe in a conspirational view of history (a frog perspective if I may), I do believe in the immense influence that single thinkers might have, without those influenced ever realizing : for example I was in a class on Greek religion, and most students seemed to have at least a minimal grasp of the Apollinian-Dionysian opposition, without having ever read Nietzsche or studied the matter. Now take someone like Rousseau, or even better, John --- no wait, Luke : without ever reading "his" Gospel, most people have an internalized understanding of the apostolic tradition as he formulated it. When I mention the ideas of the left being reproduced in the layman, I'm not talking about Adorno and friends, but more about Rousseau, or even a protestant moral world-order formulated by a single man, someone like Locke: such thinkers or ideas may influence the history of man, especially outside of philosophy or academia, --- bigly.

>I also disagree a bit on alt-right being the reaction such as were the hippies, or anything that came before, on that matter
I may have over-simplified ; I only wished to show how novel and young it was.

>Traditional leftist here.
What are your thoughts on the alt-right , --- and what is a "traditional leftist"?

>>9327122
>nd most students seemed to have at least a minimal grasp of the Apollinian-Dionysian opposition, without having ever read Nietzsche or studied the matter
You realize that there's about 100 years of scholarship on the Greeks to which Nietzsche never had access, right? Unironically endorsing his theories about antiquity makes you look like a bitch if you don't incorporate archaeological and other findings that have been made since his death.
Do you not understand the role institutions play in articulating the ideas of these thinkers? Great Man Theory is babby's first theory, you're an idiot.

>>9327140
>Unironically endorsing his theories about antiquity makes you look like a bitch if you don't incorporate archaeological and other findings that have been made since his death.
I did not do this ; which part of my post are you quoting?

>You realize that there's about 100 years of scholarship on the Greeks to which Nietzsche never had access, right?
Did I state the opposite? Whom are you quoting?

>Do you not understand the role institutions play in articulating the ideas of these thinkers?
Is there anything about my message that leads you to believe I don't?

>Great Man Theory is babby's first theory, you're an idiot.
I believe you're not responding to the right post ; perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.

>>9327169
>Hon hon I never said that
Neck yourself

>>9327174
Will that be your final word?

>>9327200
Will "I didn't actually endorse great man theory even though I typed the words
> I do believe in the immense influence that single thinkers might have, without those influenced ever realizing"
be yours final proposition? Retard?

>>9327206
I haven't the time to read through this cryptic tripe: are you trying to signify something? --- then write to be understood, beast.

>>9327244
You're disingenuous on top of being retarded. Got it.

>>9324085
>>9324085
Blank pages?

>>9325813
would a reverse scenario have been just as harmless?

>>9327270
Encyclopedia Dramatica will be a priceless document to future scholars

>>9324610
I don't know what Sam's actual views on gays are, but all you have to do is look at his TL to see that he genuinely has alt-right views. He's actually been pretty candid about this whenever he's been ask (he's talked openly about his views many times on his facebook and the MDE reddit sub). You're really naive if you think it's all just jokes. You seem to have trouble grasping that people can approach things from varying degrees of ironic detachment.

>>9324625
Have you ever seen his Twitter account? He's talked about being opposed to mass immigration/multiculturalism many times.

>>9324722
>You need to understand his post-irony.

You're obviously just spouting buzz words and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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>>9325773

>Literally two paragraphs later she compares communism to fascism and accuses the Left, including herself, of spreading lies.

Wow, that makes it totally okay, I'm not mad at all about being called cancer anymore. All is forgiven Susie.

>>9327021
It's very obvious that you're a reddit transplant who doesn't understand the board culture. The fact that you keep presenting these false dichotomies (either /pol/ is 100% unironic NatSoc or it's all jokes teehee) is an clear tell that you're utterly clueless. /pol/ is 75% politically clueless, vaguely right-wing edgelords, and 25% legit Nazis/fascists, but it is, unquestionably, 100% racist, and that also applies to the non-whites who browse the board. That there are differences between races and multiculturalism/mass immigration is a failure is accepted by pretty much everyone on /pol/. It's hilarious that you think self-evident beliefs like not all people are equal must be satire purely because they trigger you.

I guess Sam "ironically" donated money to The Daily Shoah.

>>9327494
Wasn't the guy who ran the show literally Jewish? It's all psyops and simulacra all the way down.

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>>9327444
Did Susie offend you? Don't worry, your safe space is here to support you.

>>9327122

Don't take "traditional leftist" too seriously, I'm just not a native speaker and that's the closest I could come to what I mean. It just means I'm a progressist, in the (early) French Revolution sense of the word, the place they stood at. Though I want reforms and progressive liberties, it is not in my best interests for the world to be turned upside down, like most postmodernists (Gramsci and onwards) preach, though I consider some of their arguments. There must be some basis, but it needs not to be immutable (hence less emphasis on the "order" you value like you said earlier. needed, but not the end-goal). Absolute criticism with no solution provided is just pointless, because you will get marginalized and ignored by the many "tribes" of democracy. And divided we fall.

My view is somewhat that of orthodox socialists and marxists, but I find those two have just too many flaws in their ideology, albeit having valuable content: Socialism cannot come to be, but sets some useful guidelines. Capitalism is incompatible with general happiness in the long run, so whichever path we choose must have that in mind. The ideal world is where it would be broken, but since there are no valid alternatives, I accept "playing their game" and trying as much to not let it run wild, until such alternative emerges. Because turning your back, saying "capitalism is shit" and wishing for some magic to make real socialism work is a really stupid attitude, and coward one too. Perhaps I look too pragmatic here, but I do not wish to forsake structural changes - just mitigate the damage while they are not possible. Maybe you could say I'm a Frankfurtian.

About the alt-right, I don't really have a specific opinion. All part of the democratic process and pluralism*, I guess. Nothing wrong with preferring order over progress (to simplify it), as long as it is supported by arguments and not bigotry. And that it is actual arguments, and not the pseudo rationalist one-sided bullshit the nazis put up in Germany - because they are nothing more than excuses.

*when I say pluralism I do not mean that all discourses are acceptable or right on their own, but that they have a right to be spoken.

Maybe my post was confusing and seemed contradictory on some parts, but I'm really tired. Point out if anything was not clear.

Finally, I agree on the part that single thinkers have enormous influence. But it's generally not homogeneous, because it's a long way from academia to common talk. It is a dissoluted mix, and, with the passing of time, it ceases to be a mixture and becomes an hybrid in itself, something entirely new. Though that may seem dialetic, it does not allow for the linear progress that Hegel preached - it is unpredictable, even considering his metaphysics. And, as he put it, the owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of dusk. By the time thought spreads, it's obsolete. So really, ideologies don't have all that power by themselves

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>ever using the term "alt right" sincerely

it's the easiest way to identify someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking about.

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>>9327021
If you don't think /pol/ is legit racist, you're an idiot or a newfag (racism is also extremely fucking common in general, but most don't talk about it openly). Yes, there are non-whites. Yes, certain things are exaggerated. This doesn't change anything. 4chan has always been a sewer full of weirdo NEETs, racists, pedophiles, and nihilists. What you're doing is equivalent to pointing to pedobear or cunnyposting and using this to imply that there aren't any legit pedos on here because some of them have a sense of humor about themselves.

Rockerz88/Zach Davies is an excellent case study of the average /pol/-style racist, albeit an extreme example. He was self-proclaimed National Socialist who was constantly posting BWC memes and pics of mestiza chicks. Oh, I guess that means it was all just satire. Well...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/zack-davies-machete-man-who-5948162

>>9327542
those in the know call themselves 'fashy goys'.

>>9324605
>They make theories about the lack of female success, aka the red pill,

That's not the red pill you dolt. The red pill is being skeptical of everything you see in society and not being afraid to consider alternate views that might better explain the reality that we live in today.

So, while questioning the female's ability to work physically demanding tasks due to biological differences between the sexes can be considered a red-pilled belief, it is NOT the definitive red pill.

>>9327565
the one true redpill is that there is no one true redpill

>>9327569
the only true redpill is recreational estrogen use

>>9327552

>>9325640
This.

>>9327527
It's difficult for people who don't have any familiarity with the subject to grasp, but yes, he both had a Jewish wife and was also racist and anti-semitic by any reasonable definition. The Daily Shoah is clearly sincere about what they believe. When they talk about gassing Jews and stuff like that, you can safely assume this is a joke, but when they talk about Kevin MacDonald type shit, they're not joking. A lot of people just don't have the ear for this sort of thing, so they have trouble filtering out the irony from genuine beliefs. The lack of familiarity with the culture or even real engagement with any alternative political views doesn't help, either (if you don't understand the logical underlying certain beliefs, any view that drastically different than yours is going to be indistinguishable from an extreme view point that is expressed ironically) .

/pol/ is legitimately racist?
>>9327552
>uk shithole
wew lad

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>>9324386
> Nihilistically reveling in shock, transgression, and trolling, you’re more likely to find these young men posting diaper porn, My Little Pony hate, and swastika-laden Pepe memes than listening to Wagner or reading Alain de Benoist.

I think this statement displays her ignorance to this site. If you go on /mu/ there are certainly classical threads, though perhaps you will have to use the index to locate them. If you go on /b/ you will find mlp and diaper porn, if you go on /lit/ you may find something on Alain de Benoist, and on all the boards you probably have a good shot at seeing pepe.
But, she mistakenly suggests that these boards are all interconnected, that /b/ has any cultural exchange with /lit/ or any other board. Of course there are people who frequent both boards, but there is no real exchange between /b/ and /lit/ because both the mods and the users filter out content that does not belong. To suggest that there is any sort of "chan culture" is do present a distinct misunderstanding of how 4chan communities self segregate themselves and insulate themselves. Chan culture is separationist and that extends even to board subcultures where people hide and ignore threads that conflict with their own ideologies in order to participate in one that instead reinforces them.

Additionally to say that you know chan culture you have to consume a massive amount of media because chan culture is not just one board, there are what, 60 boards on 4chan each with a unique culture and dialect and memes that make sense only to its own participants. And chan culture is not explicity creates by 4chan alone because other chans are vastly different from 4chan, see 420chan or a non-english chan. Essential the journalist has examined one house on one street in the middle of a ghetto and then made assertions about the nature and personality of every black person in the USA. You cannot predict the properties of an ocean by studying a single drop of water, but that is what this journalist has done.

Furthermore the biggest objection to any discussion of chan culture is the fact the writer acknowledges that there is rampant trolling but does not identify how she distinguishes trolling from legitimate statements. In any thread there can be no real quantifiable claim that a post expresses the true sentiments of an individual or is a troll post because trolling is an art form and there are innumerable ways to do so. How does she separate truths from false flags, impersonations from "all me"'s, or presenting a legitimate belief via an irony laced assertion of the opponents position. The anonymity of chans makes any statement a dialectic that has no synthesis, it is wrong and right at the same time, but more wrong than anything.

>>9327552
He was such a retard.

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>>9327611
>tfw multiculturalism doesn't even work on 4chan

Reminder that the term altright goes back to 2009. Reminder that the cuck meme started because /pol/ got spammed with cuck porn.

>>9324605
>I doubt most channels who post Holocaust denial memes sincerely believe it was a hoax but are still antisemitic
This is the best description of /pol/ and the alt right ever.

>>9327659
lmao i just realized that my claims about 4chan can be applied to my own post creating a weird arguement paradox.
But look at the majority of /lit/ threads and you can see the self policing and self segregationist attitude at work where people call out other posts as "lefty" or "/pol/" and tell them to get out. Are those posts serious or are they trolls, and are the responses serious or are they trolls? Theres the weirdest sort of double take you do in you mind when you read any post because of the anonymous nature of the board

>>9325703
>Punk rock was nothing more than a publicity stunt, literally manufactured by leftist pornographers intent on promoting their BDSM fetish shop, google Malcom McLaren if you don't believe me.

McLaren didn't invent punk, he just used it like you said and promoted it so well that it entered the popular consciousness. He did not manufacture it, he latched on like a vampire to the New York scene which was in full swing and was already using the term (including an eponymous fanzine), he tried to manage the New York Dolls and screwed it up/couldnt control them, so he went back home and found some teenagers he could manipulate more easily.

Punk =! MacLaren

>>9325475
They're both the phony rebellions of angry white kids.

>>9326618
triggered

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>not posting the podcast

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/dietsoap/episodes/2016-11-23T20_55_28-08_00

>>9326840
so by your logic all something need to be legitimate is numbers so who decides on what number makes something an actual thing

>>9324254

There's one guy I know who is clearly a shitposter because he posts 4chan memes on his Facebook non-stop. This guy actually slays lots of pussy although is a loser in every other respect (i.e. no career to speak of, no money, no friends). But he's definitely good with women.

>>9325371
> it is the only possible discourse against capitalism
>thinks that 'progressive' neoliberalism makes up the entirety of the left