How do I make my poetry sound less whiny and more meaningful?

>>9317762
Grow up.

spend 10x more of your time reading good poetry by masters (both dead and contemporary) that you do trying to write

>>9317762
Suffer more hardships

>>9317772
seconding

>>9317777
Nice quads. Any recs? I'm chewing through Sylvia Plath, Robert Frost and William Wordsworth at the moment. I picked up a TS Elliot collection that I'll probably start soon.

>>9317772
>>9317782
seconding

>>9317762
write about things that you like/.love

>>9317782
Wouldn't this have the opposite effect?

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>>9317877
No because the pain either becomes more meaningful and ripe with delicious bitter fruits or you kill yourself. Either way, it's a win win.

>>9317772
>>9317791
>>9317797

Include me in the screenshot

>>9317762
Look for meaning

Don't rely on surface, unless the arrangement of the surface reveals a depth

You're probably wrong about everything, remember that and engage with the world accordingly, as if it still has secrets to tell you

Exhaust every possibility

Take as it is given

Read your poetry as though you had never read it before -- if you can't arrive at the conclusions of the poem (its form) by the evidence given, it has failed. The poem isn't written, it is opened

stop whining

>>9317912
This and study all the major world religions with detail and ethusiasm.

>>9317902
Makes sense.

On a side note, Cioran is my guy.

>>9317920
Same. He's my ultimate inspiration.

Stop writing about your feelings. Write about something concrete. Don't write with the goal of "expressing" something. Write to describe. Your feelings will come out anyway. Don't force it.

>>9317792
Read more poetry. Dylan Thomas. HD. TS Eliot is essential. Adrienne Rich. Anne Carson. John Ashbery.

>>9317920
>>9317928
He's the ultimate example of the literary life desu.

>>9317792

hard to say. Classics, Mallarme, Baudelaire, Keats.

Contemporary, poets like Mark Strand, James Tate, Carolyn Forsche, Robert Hass, Cid Corman, Hayden Carruth, Ezra Pound, H.D, Gregory Orr, Yves Bonnefoy, and then there's the french surrealists (Artaud & Breton and Tzara)

and ofc the Spanish surrealists (Paz and Pizarnik)

And then there's the Black Mountain and L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poets but that is for later. Build yourself up to that - don't dive in immediately or you won't know what is going on

>>9317792
and the 4 Wrights

Charles Wright, James Wright, Franz Wright, and C.D Wright

>>9317792
stop reading elliot and frost. read byron, not wordsworth. peter redgrave. william blake. john wheelwright. ted hughes. laura riding. rosemary tonks. sor juana ines de la cruz.

all tried to go break out of poetic cliche/expression.

>>9317772
seconding

Killing yourself usually works. Normies will see your work as 'raw expression' and canonize you.

>>9317762

For starters, never use the first or second person when you can use the third person instead.

>>9319823

no u

>>9317772
thirding