Why doesn't /lit/ give right wing literature any respect?

>>9313163
like what

>>9313165
Evola? Dostoevsky?

>>9313163
>right wing
>literature
Does not compute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELrtx8NxoU

>>9313174
Evola is shit. Dostoevsky gets plenty of respect around here. So does TS Eliot. What are you bitching about?

>>9313163
There's no way to know that the right wing literature posted on here isn't the work of /pol/ shills, who have objectively shit taste. Same reason we don't respect lit that gets pushed by liberals without thought for the sole purpose of getting Woke™. Great literature tends, at scale, to lean left, but shit taste on either side can head right on back to reddit

>>9313178
Are kidding me? You come into right wing lit threads (like now) and start screeching

>>9313185
>screeching
Yeah...that was in no way screeching, especially compared with the tenor of discourse that happens in any other reasonably sane thread. But sorry about your safe space.

>>9313185
>any opinion that doesn't agree with me = screeching

>>9313163
/lit/ gives plenty of "right-wing" literature respect. But since you posted Spencer, you're probably talking about Vox Day and shit

>>9313185
get real pouty little man

cause preachy political texts are depressing.
i like political themes to be secondary, or to have some degree of subtlety and ambiguity.

>>9313163
You can so obviously tell he was bullied as a kid.

>>9313163
>right wing
>literature

Nice try.

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There are lots of right-wingers that /lit/ jerks off all the time (Dostoevsky, Mishima, Eliot, Heidegger, Evola)

Richard Spencer is a fucking meme and shouldn't at all be consider relevant besides as a provocateur.

>>9313176

>nazis
>right-wing

>>9313330
>William Blake
>Heretical Gnostic
>Supported Libertine Revolutionaries
>"right wing"

Louis Ferdinand Celine
Houellebecq
Jack London
Carl Schmitt
Sam Francis
Francis Parker Yockey
Alfred Rosenberg
Arthur de Gobineau
Robert Ardrey
Gerald Lorentz

>>9313330
And W. B. Yeats?

>>9313409
Jack London? He was a socialist. That's why Martin Eden is so popular in Russia and so neglected in America.

>>9313330
>Pound's Cantos
>Eliot
>Dostoyevsky
>Bulgakov
>Mishima
>Mann
>Plato
>Hobbes
>Chesterton
How can lefties even compete?

>>9313409
Yes but there are right-wing ideals expressed in his work. He is popular among right-wing thinkers. I was turned on to London by Boyd Rice. Tom Metzger (leader of White Aryan Resistance) is also a huge fan.

>>9313430
Wallace Stevens and William Carlos Williams crushed Pound and Eliot. Right can't even hang.

ITT: /pol/tard fuckwits desperately try to claim any writer that wasn't a paid up revolutionary socialist

>>9313163
Giving litterature another purpose than to be for itself discredits your approach.

Celine was a straight up nazi, but a great writer too, we discuss his books here, not his ideas.

Bringing the subject this way makes the thread look like it was posted on pol, you are better than that.

>>9313476
And some that were!

>Jack London passionate advocate of unionization, socialism, and the rights of workers. He wrote several powerful works dealing with these topics, such as his dystopian novel The Iron Heel, his non-fiction exposé The People of the Abyss, and The War of the Classes

Shit sux.

>>9313493
I think OP was referring more to the social and ideological aspect of being right-wing. Right-wingers aren't inherently capitalist, and many are pro-worker.

>>9313454
>Shit! There are some elements of that obvious socialist explication that I can't deny/quite like.

Um... er... t-t-they must be right wing bits!

>>9313516
>Right-wingers aren't inherently capitalist,
Wrong

>and many are pro-worker.
True

The only good right wing author I know is Mishima.
>>9313330
most of these are very seious stretches.

>>9313163
Because "right" and "left" have changed meanings so many times since the beginnings of american politics that nobody knows what they mean anymore. They, like most "isms" exist only to disguise the philosophical pretenses of the speaker who has no idea how to contour his argument to the specificities of the subject matter.

>>9313337
He posted a pic of Richard Spencer who is literally NatSoc though.

>>9313609
American politics is probably not the best prism through which to separate left and right out, anon. The Democrats are pretty right wing, comparatively speaking. Although, do you think some stormcuck /pol/tards might be socialists without realising it? That would be vey funny.

>>9313639
America was a country founded upon, liberal, republican, Enlightenment values. It's an inherently Left-wing country.

>>9313163
cos they're spooked af lmao

>>9313682
I don't know about that, anon. I'd say the lefter the wing the more the tendency towards Marxist economic ideas and, from what I understand, the mood of the founding fathers was quite the opposite.

>>9313163
Are we talking about Junger, Mishima, Hamsun etc? Graham Greene, Endo, or Flannery O'Connor? Roth?

Heidegger or Schopenhauer?

They all get respect. I really am having a hard time understanding what you are talking about unless you are conflating fascist with conservative, in which case it is due to the fact that proto fascist literature is always engaging salutatory yarns of national bravery and adventure (hopefully from "yore"), whereas actual fascist literature is always propaganda trash written by committee and censor.

>>9313430
Why is Plato right wing ?
I haven't read all of his work but for example Crito seems more left wing than right wing to me, with his emphasis of respecting the rules of the City.

>>9313709
>left wing emphasizes respecting law and authority
?????????

>>9313709
>Crito seems more left wing than right wing to me, with his emphasis of respecting the rules of the City.
That sounds more right wing.

>>9313163
>why doesn't a predominantly liberal cucked board neglect to read patrician right-winged literature

Gee, I wonder why

>>9313725
>Why doesn't?
/pol/tard brainlet detected. Shoo!

>>9313718
>>9313719
Yeah I was thinking in terms of economics where the right wing wants a free market and the left wing wants more regulation.
I still don't see why Plato is right wing.

>>9313808
>I was thinking in terms of economics
>mentions Plato's social ideas not economic ones

>right wing
>literature

>>9314016
you and OP should get together and fuck, you have so much stupidity in common.

>>9313430
Why is Bulgakov right wing?
>>9313163
Nobody has read Naipaul (but they should) but Dostoevsky is one of the most respected authors.

>>9313330
>Kurt Vonnegut
>Hermann Hesse
Hahaha
Oh wow

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I like hamsun and louise Ferdinand celine.

Why are the right always looking to feel hard done by and victimised?

>>9314211
Because the modern right are intellectual midgets that derive righteousness from the obstructions they face.

>>9313180
>Great literature tends, at scale, to lean left

In some ways, yes, but the definition of "left wing" has changed over time. For instance, the way that modern leftist has embraced mass immigration from third world nations? That would be inconceivable to most of these great leftist writers of the past. It's a very recent phenomenon. All of these leftist writers would probably have views that, today, would be seen as far-right in cultural/ethnic terms.

>>9314218

/thread

>>9314218

I could just as easily say the modern left derives righteousness from self-hatred and a borderline pathological out-group preference

>>9314259
Bollocks.
What is The Internationale?

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Most of /lit/ are beta liberals who were raised by a single mother as an only child
>unfortunately even on 4chan the topic of literature and philosophy are contaminated with leftism which would lead one to believe the two are inextricable at this point.

Read
Thomas Sowell
William F. Buckley
Ben Shapiro
Ann Coulter
Pat Buchanan

>>9314271
It's pretty similar actually. The more oppressed people are the more favorably they are looked on by most leftists. Watch the movie Get Out. The USA is the cultural leader of the world and we are intellectually bankrupt. People still read in this country but most is garbage and as we transition to a cybernetic society this will only get worse.

>>9314271
>I could just as easily say...
But you'd only be adding to the bollocks.

>>9313163

Its not fair to equate "right wing" purely with "neo-nazi" and yet it seems everyone on /lit/ does it.

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Ann here
buy my books, losers.

>>9314303
Because the neo-nazis have hijacked right of centre politics. Take it up with the /pol/tards.

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>>9313163
Autism

>>9314282
I'd rather shit in a bag, leave it open in the sun for a week, turn it into a smoothie and drink it. Fuck off, you spunk dribbling johnny.

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>>9313163

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>>9313696
>>9313682
>>9313639
The Liberal movement has two large branches - the Classical Liberals and the Progressive Liberals.
The American Democratic Party leans Progressive (or social) and the American Republican Party leans Classical (or individual).
Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, Republicanism, Libertarianism, Objectivism - all firmly Liberal. The closest thing to a Right Wing movement in the West in the last century was Spanish Falangism (which was Monarchist) and some pro-monarchist movements in Liechtenstein.
*ALL* American politics and virtually all Western politics is an argument between Liberals where true 'Right Wing' ideas are so fringe as to be essentially absent

Is right wing literature unpopular now because literature bohemia is mostly leftie.
At least in Russia it's true. Russian modern writers are under huge influence of europeans. It's inexcusably for them to say things like "Russia for Russians", they make fun of this ideas.
Russian right wingers like Aleksandr Dugin are considered as freaks and became heroes of memes.

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>>9313808
free market is about individual freedom
>That means it is by definition Liberal
>Thus the more laissez-faire your Capitalism the more Left Wing it is

>So that at the climax of the great occasion, as at the center of so many of the speeches, there was nothing. It was as if, in summation, the sentimentality, about religion and Americanism, had betrayed only an intellectual vacancy; as if the computer language of the convention had revealed the imaginative poverty of these political lives. It was “as if”—in spite of the invocations and benedictions (the last benediction to be spoken by Dr. Criswell)—”as if inspiration had ceased, as if no vast hope, no religion, no song of joy, no wisdom, no analogy, existed any more.”
-V.S. Naipaul
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1984/10/25/among-the-republicans/

If you don't know who Naipaul is you can't call yourself a reactionary.

http://exiledonline.com/why-the-american-right-never-liked-v-s-naipaul/
>I now dread meeting Americans, especially their alleged intellectuals. Because here the intellect, too, is only a form of display; of all the chatter about problems (very, very remote if you live in an ‘apartment’ in Manhattan: something that appears to be got up by the press) you feel that there is really no concern, that there is only a competition in concern…The level of thought is so low that only extreme positions can be identified: Mary McCarthy, Mailer, Eldridge Cleaver and so on. Ideas have to be simple…The quandary is this. This country is the most powerful in the world; what happens here will affect the restructuring of the world. It is therefore of interest and should be studied. But how can one overcome one’s distaste? Why shouldn’t one just go away and ignore it?”

>>9314380
Naipaul
>Weak-minded; profligate; leeched off his wife for money for most of their marriage; whoremonger; intemperate; dishonorable; supporter of Communists and Socialists.
>Right Wing
Pick one

>>9313163
that guy looks like such a massive oaf faggot

not evem fucking /pol/ respects him

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>>9313176
Another day in germany.

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>>9313481
>discuss his books, not his ideas

WORK!
NOT
FUCKING
TEXT

poststructuralists kys

>>9314494
good post

>>9314183
Bulgakov was very critical of Stalin's USSR and was believed to have been a monarchist.

>>9314494
I agree with your sentiment but not your subject.

For instance, Hamsun is by all means a fascist, but Hunger is not a fascist work.

Junger was an old fashioned conservative, but his works after storm are extremely humanist.

Mishima clearly wanted a Divine Imperial Autocracy, but his works rotated around aesthetics and identity and loyalty, with his politics sometimes used as window dressing.

>>9313330
>Conrad
>right wing

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>>9314838
This is entirely wrong though. Sturm was released in 23 and Jungers most extreme and nationalist work was done throughout the interwar years. He was anything BUT an old fashioned conservative, there is a reason he frequently put at the centre the so called Conservative Revolutionary Movement. Because he genuinely wanted a radical upheavel of German society, you only have to look at his contemporaries in his brother, Heidegger, Schmitt, Niekisch etc.

Mishima will forever have limited understanding in the west considering the vast majority of his cutural and political essays remain untranslated. However it is not a stretch to see him as an extension of the Japanese Romantic movement, his aesthetics are unapologetically concerned with finding an autentic japanese being, one frequently coupled with the beauty of death and liberatory violence

>>9314957
I always define his political reality in On the Marble Cliffs, where egalitarian traditionalism and humanity are esteemed.

>>9313615
He's not, stop being a pleb.

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>>9314289
He would be correct

>>9313330
Blake, Vonnegut and Burkhardt are hardly right wing, and pretending Plato is either left or right is bullshit and you know it.

>>9313454
By that acount, I got into Celine through Raoul Vaneigem, Barthes was a fan as well, are you telling me Celine was a situationist homossexual then?

>>9313401
>>9314998

Yes, a cretin made that list, I do not understand why it is so popular.

>>9314650
A lot of the left, including Stalin - and even Lenin - contemporaries were criticizing them. Are you telling me Kropotkin was a monarchist as well, since he was critic of the USSR and literally a prince?

>>9315015
Because at this point, this kind of 4chan right wing is all but a step away from admitting they can only cling to life by larping a alternate history (and reality)

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>>9314315
>me gusta

get out pedro

>>9314962
Yet he still reserved scorn for the "sickley" Prussians of the old order in the book who come to the cliffs to request the brothers help. The mythic power of violence still appears in the final battle, although it ends on a pessimistic note Junger reaffirms his interwar concept of the individual via "The Worker", it was this work that influenced Evola's differentiated man and Riding the Tiger

>>9315025
But they can make a fucking massive chart that actually makes sense, why go with this?

>>9315017
Well Bulgakov was also intensely religious. Not too many socialists in USSR thought that was a problem

>>9314271
You two should get a room and fuck

>>9314273
or the anti-colonial movements of the post-war periods.

the only good right wing author i know is a dead one

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>>9315591
>heh the world would be a better place if everybody just agreed with me

>right wing
>literature
Top meme lad

>>9314998
Plato is the most right-wing person to ever live.

>>9313330

Heidegger is not rightwing, he's just a fat disgusting coward with poor understanding of how language works. :D

>>9313709

How is the left respecting of the rules of the city when proletarian expropriation is still a good idea for commies?

How come there is so many idiots in this supposed well-read board who have no idea there are differences between being 'rightwing' and being, for instance, a fascist - and that there are differences between fascism and nazism?

>>9314431
This post is identity politics drivel and is one of the reasons people with talent have been driven out of right wing discourse.

>>9313330
And Submission by Houellebecq?

>>9316061
Because there are a lot of liberals on this board that are, in fact, not well-read.

Shocking, I know.

>>9316061
same reason people think that left-wing is being a marxist.

>>9313178
>Evola is shit
Evola is okay if you read him within the tradition of perennial philosophy and ignore his more esoteric musings.

I quite like Tim Winter's podcast on Evola, especially since he reads him from an Islamic perspective.

>>9314282
>Ann Coulter
>Pat Buchanan
>etc.

>this is our caliber

I'm not even mad at this point, just laughing like a maniac.

>>9316146
Literally no one ever thinks that, the only people I ever see slump to mental retardation of this caliber are liberals

>>9313409
>Yockey

kill thyself my man

>>9314271

Protestantism was a mistake.

the biggest fucking meme in /lit/ after bandanaman is Nick motherfucking Land. You cant get more right-wing than Land.

Also, as plenty of other anons already said, there's tons of right-wing writers that are constantly referenced here. Both literature as well as political philosophy.

>>9316401
lol. good meme.

>>9313163
For the same reason no one gives "Christian music" any respect.

Either it's literature or it isn't. Works are labelled with fringe categories when they are more notable for their membership in that fringe category than for their contributions to the larger art form.

>>9314271
>>9314287
Extremists turn out to be very similar in many ways? Who would have thought.

>>9315610
>the purpose of political groups is to agree all the time
Guys I think I figured out what's wrong with America....

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>>9313180
>>9316431
good posts.

>>9313430
>Samuel Johnson
>Thomas Carlyle
>Nabokov
They can't

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>>9313163
tfw you realize, that fascism is comprised of a bunch of cucks, that do not realize, that every community has an inherent hierarchy, which is based on willpower, strength, skill, beauty, intelligence.
however they lack all those qualities, so they want the others to adore them for their membership in some class, race, nobility or other spook
/thread

>>9316097
This guy gets it.

>>9313530
>Wrong
What is monarchist

>>9316412
Land's not "traditionally" right-wing though, he's some bizarre techno-aristocrat wannabe. That makes him interesting for sheer novelty value + aesthetics, I don't think most of the people posting about him seriously want Gnon to bring about the eschaton or whatever.

>>9313430
Olson's Maximus Poems > The Cantos

Eliot's attempt at pushing any belief besides "The World is shattered and scary" fails.

George Eliot beats any Russian

Plato is way, way pre left or right.

>>9313459
WCW is good, but he doesn't 'crush' Eliot.
H.D. Best modernism

>>9313459
who?

>>9316923
wcw redefined how syllables are used in free verse. poems like the red wheelbarrow changed the game. eliot can't touch him.

>>9316923
I want HD to crush me. I dream about her decrying my optimistic fascism for the farcical death cult it is and walking out to write better poems than I can and making psychoanalytical jews call her paranoid over hitler's rise to power only to be vindicated by history and write grecian trilogies of women into films whose specter still transcribes all femalebisexual fledgling myths today across a century.

You don't want right wing literature, you just want to /pol/post

>>9313429
>I am first of all a White man and only then a Socialist!

>>9313476
Yeah, because literal Nazis and reactionary monarchists should be just be considered people who weren't paid revolutionary socialists. Like most of /lit/, you really have no conception of the Right outside of some of US Team Blue vs. Team Right neo-liberal jerk-off session.

>>9313528
Jack London was literally a racialist who said he was a white man first and a socialist second.

some of us love Hegel but the right-wingers are too stupid to realize he is their savior.

>>9313530
The terms "right" and "left-wing" predate capitalism. The far-right has always been anticapitalist. This isn't even debatable.

>>9316061
Because OP posted a picture of a fascist and asked for right-wing literature?

>>9314282
>this is what the right reads

jesus fucking christ lmao

>>9317102
so leftypol basically

i think that great literature doesn't have anything to do with politics and should stay as neutral as possible. And there is also a difference between right-wing literature and /pol/tard 'hurrdurr women r mean niggersniggers' literature that i think you're referring to

>>9313176
>right wing means authoritarianism
every author who supports capitalism is right wing, so about 80% of american writers, realistically. lit gives them too much respect.

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>>9316409
THIS desu

>>9317866
>>9316409
ALL CATHOLICS MUST FUCKING HANG

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quality literature

>>9317119
It is bait you moron

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>right wing literature

>>9314218
*left
i agree

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i have heard richard spencer is working on a book that may save the white race from white genocide

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>>9317119

I'm going to read the wording of your deportation order you leftist cuck beta numale.

>>9317846
Yeah but he posted Richard fucking Spencer implying he wanted Fascist and Nazi books.

>>9313459
Stevens was conservative and applauded Mussolini for taking Ethiopia from 'the coons'