"i went of google images for gandalf with an AK47"

>9300600
Nice

>>9300600
please put sffg in the title so i can search

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3rd for queen of /sffg/

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Sci Fi and Fantasy? Why not have an Oil and Water general?

Sci Fi = reason, logic, facts
Fantasy = faggots

>>9300644
*tips hat*

>>9300643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxzTJXrZlIU

>>9300660
He's so much less of a prick IRL. The internet ruined that >man.

How are the Ellsemont Mazalan books?

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>>9300600
>no sffg in subject field
>thread will be very dead because people won't be able to find it
I bet you're a fucking normie trying to infiltrate us and take us down from within. Are we having too much fun? Are our actual book discussions cutting into your memes? I'm onto you fagget.

>>9300736
>wanting new people to enter our thread
what's wrong with you?

>>9300644
Feel free to make your own sci fi general then. Last time you guys did that it didn't last very long and you came crawling back to the fantasy general so you can pretend like you have a real community.

>>9300841
This.
Sci-fi is fantasy with technology aspects. Fuck your hard sci-fi. The whole point of sci-fi was to speculate on what the future would be like with technology. Not 100 years later with exactly the same technology that we have now.

If 50's sci-fi authors said there would be crystal data storage, laser weapons and flat large colour displays. No one said shit.

2000's sci-fi talks about human augmentation, portable units for harvesting large amounts of atomic / dark matter power, traveling to other star systems, cognizant AIs. Yall hard nuts go on a rage spree saying it's not possible.... SCI-FI IS ABOUT SPECULATION
Fucking ingrates.

>>9300924

I'll take it one step further: tons of celebrated "sci-fi" is actually just fantasy (Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghost in the Shell, for example).

>>9300644
>Sci Fi = reason, logic, facts
You are a funny guy, I really, really, really like it

>>9300820
This.
>muh sekrit club
All outsiders ever do in these threads is shit on its purpose. We get it, you hate genre fiction. Let us be plebs in peace.

Sanderson is shit at writing characters.
Fight me.

>>9300977
I won't, and neither will anyone else here. I'm a Sandershitter, but only because I like to catch all the little cosmere references in his books and connect the dots of his imaginary lore like an autist. I will say that Words of Radiance had some of the best characterization he's ever done, so he may be getting better. Or maybe it was just a one off, we'll know in November.

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>>9301005
I disagree with nothing you have said. Bottled lightning and all.

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>>9300977
But you are right. His characters (females at least) are rinse repeat. It's his magic, how he uses it, and his worlds that are the selling point.

>>9300977
>Start reading Mistborn
>Get to the third page
>Writing is too cringey for me to go on

Does he get better?

>>9300672
This is true, in college he was friends with one of my teachers so he came and did a presentation for my class.
I thought he was such a cool guy.

>>9300660
what does he mean about Tor renegotiating the contract?
Are his books selling poorly?

>>9301374
new york times best seller ;)

>>9301360
Well, his writing is kind of... Cinematic. Sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way. Mistborn is a great setting and the plot is pretty decent if predictable but the dialogue is weird, the pacing is awkward between good build-ups into exposition dumps and the characters are all stale archetypes. I didn't regret having read it though it was a bit of a struggle at some points. Rest of the trilogy is weaker.

Just finished Roadside Picnic. What did I think of it?

>>9301433
Hey... low iq anon.. where have you been? We thought you had an darwinian accident.

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>>9301433
you think those dubs deserved to be checked

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>>9301447
I got my IQ checked and have an IQ of 130. I'm just too intelligent to form my own opinions.

>>9301456
I have not read it yet, therefore it's shit.

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>>9301456

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>>9301486

>>9301486
Holy... I want more

what's wrong with liking bakker?

Hit me up with Fantasy books which feature Wizard/Magic families having rivalries and shit.

Different defined schools of magic would be the dream.

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>>9301802
I love the Arcanum spell colleges, how they're distinct and closely related but there's a lot of them. Don't know a magic-school book with something like that, but I haven't been up with YA in a long time.

>>9301832
Yeah! It's something along these lines that I'm looking for! Magic in LoTR etc is cool but it's not exactly what I'm looking for. HP style is ok but the spells have no consistency, there aren't levels of transfiguration spells that I'm aware of or different "tiers" of fireball spells etc.

>>9301832
>look up arcanum
>windows only
RIP
I want a fun rpg to play on my linux laptop in between shitposts. Guess I'll keep looking. Thanks for the heads up anyway.

Ed Sheeran will play Kvothe, won't he?

>>9301848
https://www.gog.com/forum/arcanum_of_steamworks_and_magick_obscura/gog_com_arcanum_wine
I didn't think it was fun though

>>9301846
And magic schools are great, too, lets you have all these factions at each others' throats but it's not as heavy, lots more room for humor.

>>9301832
r8 my magic schools
Fire
Sparks
Water
Wind
Earth
Ash
Gold
Star
Iron
Night
Sun
Bone

Flow
Essence
Flux
Cohesion
Fascination
Consumption
Emergence
Shine
Worship
Perjury
Duration
Sequence
Cessation
Equilibrium
Judgment

>>9301860
I've had absolutely no success with wine, but I can try it again. What didn't you like about it...
>/lit/
...literarily?

>>9301888
None of it felt like it had any heft. There was a Chosen One main plot, an evil cult, a bunch of fantasy racism, a bunch of places you can totally explore but the monsters will eviscerate you if you didn't manage to find the main plotline/proper subquests to level up along. Lots of options for character creation and optimization, but most of them sucked, and it was easy to break the game with the right character. I do remember a couple of characters, there was a snivelly evil aristocrat, a stock monk character, a stock muh warrior race dwarf?

It just didn't feel like it brought anything new, when bringing something new was its selling point.

>>9301871
Yes! There must be some books with this, right?

>>9301917
The theory checks out, but I don't know any examples, sorry.

>>9301972
This is not right. I'm so sad at the moment guys.

Can someone try to identify a book for me, i can only remember a little of the plot, it was something about a group of knights or heroes idk, that goes into a portal, but one of them stays behind, and the others come back different, it was a old fantasy book i think and if im not mistaken there were some black dogs at the cover, but i could be wrong.

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GIVE ME MONEY

>>9301391
If that is true, I'm just happy sci-fi is doing well, even if it is garbage like scalzi

>>9301493
>Twitter was around since 2001
>normies used social media as prevalent back then as they do now

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>>9301672
Absolutely nothing.

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>>9302084

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>>9302066
pic related

>>9302084
David Wong predicted it but took it out of the published version like a pussy.

>>9300924
I agree with a lot of what you've said. Especially about how scifi should be used to predict the reality of the future, not just it's tech. Good scifi predicts the traffic jam, not the automobile.
Don't hate on hard scifi though. Creating new ideas around existing scientific facts can be incredibly interesting, and even a basic knowledge of biology means you can get that much more invested in discussion of aliens etc.

Anyway I don't care, guy you replied too was being a dipshit

>>9301917
>>9301980
This is a book project that /lit/ (more specifically /sffg/) could actually pull off. None of that pomo incoherent rambling bullshit. Just a google doc full of lore and another one full of short stories set in the context of magic schools. We have the autism to iron out continuity errors and actually make it work, and don't need to worry about prose. After all, there are people itt admitting they like Sanderson. Surely this is workable?

>>9302053
Is this a meme? You use the same formula every time to describe books. and I'm sure it's known books. Last time it was a rothfuss/kvothe shit post

>>9302104
Sounds like something we could ask /tg/ about, I'm sure they've got something lying around.

>>9302116
what? thats the first time i posted on these kind of threads.

>>9302127
If other i/lit/erates are interested I can make a thread there asking them about it. You're right that it's up their alley.

>>9302136
I wish we could have a tiny general inside the general for SFF writers/critique. Maybe a persistent chat room that we keep in the OP, something like that.

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Is there a reason why the contents of this epub file are apparently out of order? Is this how it's supposed to be, or is this an error?

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>>9302053
A bit vague, but that kinda happens in Guardians of the Flame?

>>9302158
Forgot to mention this is from The Dying Earth Series

>>9302162
no, thats not it, it was more of a dark fantasy. but the cover has the same type of old fantasy paitings as this one, but again, darker.

>>9302103
>new ideas around existing scientific facts can be incredibly interesting
I love when someone uses their background in biology /the sciences to write novels. What pisses me off is the hard nuts coming up in here crying about it not being realistic... like if it was a thesis the person was writing.. it's fucking fiction. If someone says that life evolved differently on another planet giving some flora sentience and apex predator of that world, so be it.

What I think is we have too many well educated people reading scifi. They can't suspend their disbelief foe a second. It must line up with proven studies, and experiments.. or it isn't sci-fi.

Next time someone is shitposting about a sci-fi novel, see if they mention science not adding up. They bring reality expectations into a work of fiction.

>>9302136
>>9302127
/tg/ is great at fluff, not so much at crunch. You'd be better served giving them a framework, telling them to pick sides, and asking who hates who and to create a history of rivalries and alliances. They pretty much do stuff like this on the daily just for fun anyways.

>>9302189
That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm pretty good at mechanical worldbuilding but I know that's not really /lit/'s thing, and it's definitely /tg/'s. We'd still have to do narrative, characterization etc. Which is the fun part anyways.

>>9302148
Not to be yet another /tg/ shill but they keep an almost perpetual SFF creative writing and critique thread up. Might be worth a try.
>>/tg/52259392
Current one is dead in the archive but they pop up again all the time.

>>9302217
Oops, let me try that again.
>>>/tg/52259392

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>>9302148
Flavorsanon, it would be a slippery slope if we allowed that. Since we are the most active thread on /lit/, and the only general to survive to consistently survive week after week, month after month... Writerfags would rush us, just to get someone to read their shit. We wouldn't be able to hear ourselves think, much less discuss anything.

Have you look at outer lit? Everyone wants John Green, JK Rowling, Stephanie Meyer, That Collins bitch, etc. They want to write some mediocre YA flick and have Hollywood buy them out and rake in the dough.

>>9302197
Basically what you need to do is make an image with a few poorly explained magical "choices", ask which side they would choose, and let the thread argue it out. Look at the "choose your own adventure" type image macros for ideas. The rest will write itself.

>>9302128
Well someone was using your formula for the past couple threads. I think that is why you are ignored.

>>9302097

Scifi is dead.

I wager those colors skew differently when accounting for dollars per unit instead of units alone.

>>9302217
/tg/ is interesting, but I'm afraid of being purged for heresy :(

Should i try to read gene wolfes books if english is not my first language? i've only read easier books in english like dragonlance and the drizzt novels. is the text in gene wolfe's work hard or is it hard because of the ideas in the books? thanks

>>9302097
looks like a lot of indie sff stuff, am I missing out on some good indie sci-fi stuff?

>>9302254
Torchship was pretty good.

>>9302236
>Writing for the movie deal
I want this trend to die already. Sometimes it seems blatantly obvious too. Not so much in hard sci-fi and epic fantasy but in the lighter SFF fare.

>>9302253
Both, there are many words that need dictionaries or that he made up from Latin/Greek roots.

>>9302223
>>9302217
Discord link from that thread
https://discordapp.com/invite/G4WFCJc
I don't know what to expect.

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>>9302158

This is what the Dying Earth ebook in my Calibre shows.

>>9302249
Believe it or else, less than half of the board is at all interested in warhammer. There is a fairly large contingent of people there only for their interest in narratives, characters, settings, and role play. And the only thing worse than bad writing is unfinished writing.

>>9302262
but then it's something that not even native english speakers could understand at first? if so then im okay with that.

>>9302265
You should expect lots of people wanting readers and few critics. The same with any draft review group.

>>9302148
>>9302236

Seems like a good use of Discord.

>>9302246
Genres don't die they just go through cycles.
There is still high quality sci fi coming out most months.
Also don't forget that the soul of scifi lives in short stories.

>>9302265
>/lit/ channel
>last message: March 14th
RIP
I
P

>>9302267
It's not the warhammer. They're repressed furfags and sensitive about it :3

>>9302277
>soul of sci-fi is short stories
Amen. It's just a shame that short stories are the hardest thing to sell to a publisher because... Well, it's a hard thing for a publisher to sell.

I wonder how many wonderful self published books are just waiting to be discovered by someone with an eye for that stuff.

>>9302275
I was gonna put that in my post, but with discord someone could easily steal their shit. So I just left it out.

>>9302285
Why would that even come up in a writing critique?

Unless your story somehow features those themes? In which case you're going to get mixed reception anywhere you go.

>>9302288
If text to speech programs get better, I could download untried books and convert them to audio... but for now I can only use audiobooks. Meaning it popular enough that the publishing house invested in a VA.

>>9302288
I wonder that too.
Maybe they could set up a bounty system to get people to cull through the crap to find the gems, polish them up and get them too a bigger audience.

>>9302302
Has this ever actually happened?

>>9302258
I've been meaning to read that. Apparently the Atomic Rocket guy likes it.

>>9302266
Ah OK I see, so the chapters are subdivided further. This is the epub edition I downloaded btw:

http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/ads.php?md5=abf583748ef89c37d33bae5e85fa9115

>>9302325
You'd need a lot of $0.99 for that. Right now there are a few movements focused on specific aspects of the genre that are trying to gather and encourage talent, but you need to self-promote and probably will for the foreseeable future.

If you make friends and write well you can get rich (Correia). If you make friends and write poorly you can also get rich (Scalzi). If you don't make friends it doesn't matter how well you write because you'll die alone.

>>9302334
It's not Hardest SF but the author actually used to plot orbits for a living. The story isn't amazing but it doesn't get in the way.

>>9302330
from what I've seen the discord the other anon posted has maybe 4-8 active people in it.
we could use that as an organizing point if we wanted, it's a little pathetic right now

>>9302354
let's take it over. What kind of faggy usernames should we identify each other with? Various digits after Bakkerfan/Wolfefan?

>>9302361
Any the classic Sci-Fi authors might do. But if we adopt a naming convention others will follow suit so it's probably a moot point.

>>9302361
I'm a Sanderson guy personally, but we can do whatever.
I don't think we need to hostile takeover, they have a /lit/ channel that's a graveyard. They mostly use general/meetups.
We'll need some gdocs for this, too. Does someone else wanna create them or should I?

>>9302377
Just trying to keep us anonymous. If you start having a persistent identity it gets harder to go back.

>>9302378
I have an odd feeling we had a gdocs before. I guess it didn't get put in the OP.

>>9302400
I'm almost certain it's happened before, and fallen flat before, and will fall flat again. But we might as well try.
Does anyone have the gdocs link?

>tfw social anxiety on a fucking anonymous discord server

>>9302460
just be another wolfefan and change your id all the time
also get a new account every day. It's not anonymous and you shouldn't trust it.

>>9302474
sure I wasn't going to tie my email to it. We still need a doc to start working, though. And there's only two (three?) of us right now, it would be nice if we could pull some other people.

>>9302488
I'd do it but I'm not sure how to share it as anon.

>>9302510
Just create a throwaway acoount and start a Google doc.

>>9302056
Those eyes are as sharp as a river-wet stone on a late autumn's dawn...

Yo Darkstalker is fucking ridiculous even for pulpy space opera

I kinda enjoy how the author has created what's blatantly a fantasy setting but just put it in space so he can also have robots

God damn Dying Earth is amazing, too bad I have to look up the definition of a word every 60 seconds.

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you think people are gonna get their panties in a bunch over pronouns again?

>>9302718
This book was way too pretentious for what it was

It's been three years now. Where the fuck is Peace Talks?

>>9302748
Miles away according to butcher in feb

What are some interesting /sffg/ characters who are geniuses other than Hari Seldon, Ender Wiggin and Thrawn?

I don't care if the bok is recent or old.

>>9302772
*book
I like Bokononism but that was completely unintentional.

>>9302772
Everyone in Blindsight. Ximen del Azarchel.

>>9302783
>Blindsight
tfw you will never experience that book for the first time again.

Thanks for Azarchel too.

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Any fantasy that evokes images of art noveau

>>9302648
the audiobooks are even better if a little abridged, they're like radio plays with sound effects and actual voice actors and shit

>>9302795
The Great Gatsby

>>9302270
Yes, most of the "hard" words in Wolfe a native speaker either has no clue or must rely on etymology.

He demands close reading to extract meaning, but the grammar is nothing unusual.

>>9302253
He likes to play around with language but usually it's in ways so esoteric that even native English speakers need supplementary sources to understand what the hell he's getting at. Most of the depth that he's famous for comes from his style of storytelling though, so not being 100% on English probably wouldn't be too big a problem. The only problem I see is that you might need to devote more brainpower to just following events in sequence, meaning you might be less likely to pick up on some of the extremely important subtleties which he tends to hide in mundane looking places.

>>9300977
He is, but I enjoy him nonetheless, I just blot out the shallan chapters. The rest aren't too horrible.

Is there ever any erotism in The Dying Earth series?

>>9303192

Eroticism? The "T'sais" short story is probably the most lewd that Vance published, at least that I've read. Cugel is implied to have deflowered all of the seventeen virgins on the way to the ritual. There's also the three daughters of the sea merchant.

If you mean eroticism in the contemporary sense of multi-page descriptions of sexual acts, no.

>>9302718
Do nerds still send death threats because a video game got rated 8/10 instead of 10/10?

Hey all, I'm trying to find a fantasy series that got recommended on here a while back. Problem is the only thing I really remember about it was that it had a city/urban setting and that the second book introduced a woman who's a spy/spymaster and might have also been gay?

Does this ring any bells for anyone?

>>9303324
No, now it's mainly if they hired a woman to do anything

I'm coming back to fantasy after a long while.
I tried Wizard of Earthsea and I found it a bit dull. It read like the author had just read and loved Lord of the Rings... and had a sailor father or husband.
I'm hoping Tombs is more satisfying.

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>>9303429
yep, those nerds, they just want to keep women out of gaming as we know

>>9303443
Tombs was more satisfying to me, but if you're not grooving to Le Guin's Taoism you probably won't enjoy any of the trilogy very much.
I'll note that while Tombs was more satisfying Wizard was more meaningful.
I recommend Robert E. Howard.

>"That sounds good, brah Ben. Have fun being a dildo."
To whoever was complaining about sex scenes in books a few threads back, you'd sure hate Rudy Rucker.
The Ware books have been pretty interesting so far, lots of out there ideas.

>>9300977
His characters are hit or miss desu. I don't think I disliked any character in Warbreaker but in Elantris and Stormlight most characters feel meh.

>>9302254
https://www.amazon.com/Ass-Goblins-Auschwitz-Cameron-Pierce/dp/1933929936

>>9300677
>Mazalan
This has to be just one guy memeing.

fucked up, guys. Made the mistake of reading reviews on goodreads. Why didn't you warn me there were people this wrong on the internet?

>>9303896
Differing opinions are everywhere on the internet. Within this general I only agree with <10% of people's reactions posted in this thread in relation to how good books are. (Most of the time people just have taste different to mine.)

Goodreads has an almost <1.75% agreement rate.

Sometimes I think that authors just pay money for good reviews or give people an ARC and then they feel obligated to leave a good review.

>>9303896
What percentage of them would you say use their own personal and political beliefs as a filter in "reviewing" books?

>>9303930
Everyone uses that as a criteria. Imagine convincing /pol/ to read Lenin.

Not only would they not finish the book it is highly likely that they are so uninterested they do not leave a review. And people who hate a book aren't going to read or rate the sequel so the sequels are misrepresented by staunch fans.

Furthermore, goodreads punishes people for rating books they don't like because books you rate 1 will have the shitty authors show up in your new releases and recommendations.

Not to mention the fact most of the people who read have shit taste. The more intellectual bookfags would have no idea how to pirate books so they would read less and furthermore reading is a rapidly dying pasttime.

Combine that with paid for reviews, bought for reviews (where bookfags get plied with ARCs as long as they keep positively reviewing books - I mean who the fuck wants to give free books to people who rate 1 star anyway, some common snse please) and you have an isolated circle of people shilling books to isolated groups of people and no one knows how many good books actually exist because reading can take a relatively long time (hours at minimum) and there are a shitton of books (from classics to modern books).

>>9303981
>Everyone uses that as a criteria.
Leftists are infinitely worse with this shit though.

Someone sell me on Hugh Howey's "Wool" without any spoilers.

Is the Three Body Problem Trilogy a flash in the pan, or is there actually a wealth of high tier sci-fi in China that just hasn't been translated?

>>9303449
It's not that I didn't like the taoism, it's that I felt it worked better for a novella. A lot of it felt like filler to delay Sparrowhawk's final encounter, including the couple of "and this would be another story" that feel like the Neverending Story's jokey story threads.
I liked it enough, but I guess Le Guin gets better in her later works.

>I recommend Robert E. Howard.
Thanks for the recommendation. I've already read a couple of compilation books, but I guess I could do more.

>>9304170
The only stuff in China that'd get translated is the eastern equivalent of SJW stuff (stuff which shits on the regime) because translators want a progressive image. And as for actual creativity that got crushed somewhere during the Cultural Revolution which was when writers got sent off to random ass places in the countryside. (Like shitty places where they literally eat chilli.)

English is probably the best language anyway in terms of the number of works.

I don't read Chinese works myself. Two reasons -

Firstly: you know all those authors who make thinly veiled Trump/Hillary characters or political references? Yeah it's probably like that except the fact that you aren't familiar with it makes it a novel reading experience interesting as opposed to boring.

Secondly: One of my relatives worked in a publishing house and I'm of the opinion that translations are generally shit or there is no equivalent word for particular phrases. Or the translation is so literal that the words seem awkward and clunky which seems especially so with asian languages.

Then again I've read plenty of books that are translations (like Lem, Strugatsky) and found their world views fascinating, probably due to the lack of aforementioned familarity with the politics/ideas at the time and the writing didn't seem chunky, or seem to lose meaning (but since the inability to understand the language would make one unable to do any sort of comparison.) I suppose that too much of everything will probably bore you.

Chances are the best shit is the stuff which never gets translated or which you haven't actually read yet and you'll die before experiencing it.

>>9304206
>but since the inability to understand the language would make one unable to do any sort of comparison
but since the inability to understand the language would make one unable to do any sort of comparison you'd probably never figure out what you are missing out on.

>>9304170
There's more people in China than America and Europe combined. What do you think? Though I'd definitely say the average talent density is much lower. And Chinese prose kind of sucks.

What's a lot more interesting is untranslated Japanese fiction. It's so drastically different from the stuff here it's really refreshing. The translation business is really poor though, so if you're interested it's always best to just learn the language of interest.

>>9304232
The Japanese language is like 50% similar to Chinese and people have already managed to butcher it hard even over simple words and phrases.

I think asian language translations are a lost cause.

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I was planning to start the Dune series since I hadn't read any fantasy/science fiction in a long time, but one page in and I remember why I've been staying away from such books.

Is it worth it? Do I trudge on?

>>9304206
>The only stuff in China that'd get translated is the eastern equivalent of SJW stuff (stuff which shits on the regime) because translators want a progressive image.

You know, I never considered this but you're probably right. It always struck me as odd how critical most translated Chinese Sci-fi is of the Cultural Revolution and the governing body.

>>9304273
Dune is bad, go read something else.

>>9304281
Anything you'd recommend or should I take a look at the flowcharts?

>>9304273
Just go into it thinking of it as a fantasy version of Foundation where Hari Seldon is a genetic experiment gone wrong and is also the Mule.

>>9304284
I haven't read that either.

>>9304284
Oh fuck I feel the need to read this building up in me.

>>9304282
That's your best bet if you aren't looking for anything specific. Pick a few that look interesting, read the first few pages on the Amazon preview thing and see which writing style meshes the best with you and read that one.

Can anyone suggest me some far future post-apocalyptic sci-fi that isn't 'epic'?

I'm after something comfy and human centered, maybe neo-tribal, I'm bored of military lexicon and superwars, I loved Dreamsnake by Vonda MacIntyre, just the story of a healer with cool biotechnology, that only hinted at the alien future earth.

>>9304292
>Haven't read Foundation
Do so. It's short and one of Asmiov's best works. Don't bother with the series after the first book.

>>9304294
It's a lot stranger than it sounds and the writing goes through weird shifts of personal viewpoints with internal monologues and then reverent almost mythic recounting of the significance of certain events but the story and the ideas are pretty solid.

>>9304273
Keep going with Dune. If you hit the mid point and you're still not into it, then yeah, abandon it.
Otherwise, keep reading Frank Herbert's books. Some people would tell you to stop at different points, but if you enjoyed the core of the story that's being told, you're not doing yourself any favors by exploring the long-term consequences of the thoughts and actions of the characters from the first books.

>>9304334
>Asmiov
I feel the intense need to correct this, but I also feel like everyone should already know this meant Asimov to begin with.

>>9304358
I'm pretty sure everyone knows

>>9304358
>tfw no post editing

>no /Sffg/ in the title
>less shit posting

Coincidence?

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>>9304372
I guess it means only the people that can actually read thread titles can find it.

Anyways, to start a discussion topic: What are SFF tropes you absolutely love in books and what are some you despise?

Examples might be stuff like,
"It's actually Earth in the far future"
"Anachronistically progressive societies"
"The prime directive (nonintervention)"
"Chemistry can do literally anything"

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>>9304043
Plz. Plz

>>9304395
The tropes that I am a sucker for are horror (esp mass extinction), Earth predated the planet and timetravellers meeting themselves or alt universe selves.

>>9304308
Coldfire Trilogy

>>9304044

"Wool" is worth reading. That's about as much as can be expressed without spoilers, really.

>>9300644
>SciFi
>Pew Pew pew pew bzzzzt ping

Damn...

>>9304430
You know, I think I actually liked that series. I couldn't tell you why because I hated most of the characters and the story but the setting and the writing were good enough to keep me interested.

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>>9304372
Naw. The elitist don't see our general's name, so they assume it doesn't exist.

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>>9304443
Then try these see if you like them
>post apocalyptic

>>9304443
>I hated most of the characters and the story

I thought I was the only one, I can't stay interested purely by setting and prose though, like starting at a pretty picture frame.

>>9304520
I can understand that. I think it's because I'm a /tg/ guy so setting, magic, and technology are sometimes even more of a draw than plot and characters to me.

(Incidentally I think this is why /tg/ recommends such awful books sometimes.)

>>9304395
>"It's actually Earth in the far future"
it's been done a lot, but I feel like it's not quite done to death yet.
>"Anachronistically progressive societies"
I truly despise
>"The prime directive (nonintervention)"
I like it, because either we're being prime directive'd right now by aliens, or the speed of light is constant and the future will be boring and alien-less
>"Chemistry can do literally anything"
what books utilise this trope? not sure I know what you mean

>>9304408
>tumblr needs a safe space

>>9304542
Can't you tell? He is a hard sci-fi nut. (Probably a pollie too).
He's triggered how people are using chemistry in a FUCKING WORK OF FICTION.

If I wanna write that I can manipulate atoms and rearranged lead to be gold, so be it. You hard sci-fi nuts are what is killing science fiction. They are writing more and more boring, with accurate, verified to work science now without the sense of wonder. I want to read about people using spray on skin after road burn, not some cunt making potassium chloride 41.

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>>9304580
...Actually, as a Chemical Engineer I really like the trope of "chemistry can do anything". You gotta draw the line on verisimilitude somewhere and you just can't enjoy good stories if you disconnect the second someone mentions a quantum effect. Besides, it's generally fun to see people McGuyver a solution to stuff using the miracle of capital-s Science even when it might be unrealistic.

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>>9304557
>pol has a containment board because they bring politics into fucking everything and derail conversations
>anyone who doesn't want to speak about politics and sends me to my containment board is a tumbfag
You know, I'm glad moot didn't delete yall all those years ago. You would have spread far worse than you already did. I know you fags like to come here because it's a slow board, and your so "essential political ideologies" won't rocket off to page 10, like it does in pol.

tl;dr Stay in pol for politics, come to lit (sffg) to discuss books. Keep your pills on your dinning room table, and stop showing everyone you meet.

>>9304603
So... are you agreeing that hard scifi nuts are killing the wonder of technology fiction?

>>9304535
If you break stories down into Plot, Character, and Setting, then you can soon see where authors excel, and where they fall short. I noticed that great worldbuilders like Frank Herbert tend to have it at the expense of everything else.

Great plotters have bad characters, while great character writing tends to be at the expense of plot (GRRM comes to mind here.)

I believe these tendencies creep in during the outlining process. You can't conceive of Frank Herbert labouring over who his characters anywhere near as much as he crafted the Dune setting.

Just as it's easy to believe that GRRM prioritised great world building and characters equally - and these made the plot run away from him.

I really believe that the hardest thing is to have good worldbuilding, characters, AND a satisfying plot/resolution.

>>9304607
This

>>9304607
>someone brings up how close-minded right-wingers are as a point
>someone else points out that it's not a fair comparison
>POL ALERT POL ALERT NAZIS OUT REEEEE

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>>9304617
That was the thesis of my post, yes.

I mean, I love a good hard sci-fi but in my opinion good sci-fi is more about people's and society's reaction to new technology than the technology itself.

>>9304659
>good sci-fi is more about people's and society's reaction to new technology than the technology itself.
Excellent post.

>>9304580
I'm also in the 'too much hard sci-fi is bad' school of thought, but I think you need to remember something. Once a piece of fiction becomes hard scifi, it has to live up to that expectation.

If a hard science fiction writer is claiming falsehoods are fact; and THEN construction from that, it's not real hard scifi. If anything it's the authors fault for being a bit stupid, but that's their problem.

I.E.
>discussing pesudo-'bacteria' on Europa.
>author discusses how their cell membranes differ from those of the bacteria of earth, describing both the real and fictional in detail

If in the description of real earth bacteria cell membranes the author gets things wrong, he is a fool and should be made an example of.

If you've ever read any Peter Watts, you'll see exactly how hard scifi should be presented; a very clear distinct line between fiction and reality.

TL;DR not all critique of scifi for being inaccurate is stupid

>>9304659
>good sci-fi is more about people's and society's reaction to new technology than the technology itself.

Well said.

I had a conversation with someone last night about GitS where we concluded the same.
>how is the Major's consciousness transferred
Doesn't matter; the speculator will be dust long before any potential kudos are awarded if their WAG happens to be correct. What matters is how a (magically) transferred consciousness would interact with its new reality.

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any thoughts on this? I see skalzondos name come up a bit but never read anything of his or have any idea what his writings like

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>>9304718
From the excerpt.

Chapter Two

>Kiva Lagos was busily fucking the brains out of the assistant purser she’d been after for the last six weeks of the Yes, Sir, That’s My Baby’s trip from Lankaran to End when Second Officer Waylov Brennir entered her stateroom, unannounced. “You’re needed,” he said.

>“I’m a little busy at the moment,” Kiva said. She’d just finally gotten herself into a groove, so fuck Waylov (not literally, he was awful) if she was going to get out of the groove just because he walked into it. Grooves were hard to come by. People have sex, and he was unannounced. If this was what he walked into, it was his fault, not hers. The assistant purser seemed a little concerned, but Kiva applied a little pressure to make it clear festivities were to continue.

>“It’s important.”

>“Trust me, so is this.”

>“We’ve got a customs official who won’t let us take any haverfruit off the ship,” Brennir said. If he was shocked or scandalized by Lagos’s activities he was doing a good job of hiding it. He mostly looked bored. “Offloading our haverfruit is why we came to End. If we don’t sell it, or develop licenses, we’re screwed. You’re the owner’s representative. You’re going to have to explain to your mother why this trip was the cause of the financial ruin of your family. So perhaps you might like to join Captain Blinnikka in talking with this customs official right now to see if you can resolve this problem. Or you can just go on fucking that junior crew member, ma’am. I’m sure those are equivalent activities as regards your future, and the future of this ship, and your family.”

>“Well, shit,” Kiva said. Her groove was definitely gone, and the assistant purser, her little project, looked pretty miserable at the moment. “That was a pretty impressive jab you just gave to someone who can fire your ass, Brennir.”

>“You can’t fire me, ma’am,” Brennir said. “I’ve got tenure with the guild. Now, are you coming or not?”

>“I’m thinking.”

>>9304746
I'm not sure what to make of this.
Have you read the book/the rest of the exert? The prose is wonky but I'm stomached worse.
Is it just the sex stuff you're counter-shilling? What am I meant to take away from this

redpill me on scalzi basically

>>9304746
that does not make me want to read the book

>>9304746
I get the feeling if the genders were all reversed this Scalzi would be crying sexism. Not that it would make any difference because this is horrible regardless.

>>9303238
>Cugel is implied to have deflowered all of the seventeen virgins on the way to the ritual.
What a fucking legend.

>>9304334
>Don't bother with the series after the first book.
But then you miss the Mule. Read at least the "original" three books.

>>9304746
>con't
>"I should go," the assistant purser said. "I mean, I can go. Maybe I should go?"

Verified the excerpt from Google Books.

>>9304762
>redpill me on scalzi basically

He just did. Anything further would require "Flowers for Algernon".

>>9304840
>still tripcode

>>9304657
Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

>read more and your writing will improve

Why isn't it working?

>>9305038
Better advice would be write more and get more criticism. Then your writing will improve.

>>9303449
>yep, those nerds, they just want to keep women out of gaming as we know

That does seem to be what they, or a particular subset that is claiming they speak for everyone else, is trying to do.

Why is there no new, innovative sci-fi? All of the good stuff in recent memory I can think of is at least 5 to 10 years old now.

>>9305211
Who are "they?"

>>9305239
>he hasn't read Texans Vs Spaniards In Space: The Mystery of the Catholic Dyson Spheres

I sure hope none of you are into watering houseplants.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/26/sex-and-gor-and-open-source/

>>9305239
>Why is there no new, innovative sci-fi?

Women make up 80% of the publishing business.

Book doesn't appeal to women? Doesn't get published.

What are some books about transhumanism, Android and cyborg which discuss the ideas of consciousness, morality between the living and artificial, mind/body dualism etc with engaging plot/characters/setting. Basically the Ghost in The Shell kind in lit form.
Also I'm planning on reading Asimov's Robot series. Do those books have the kind of things I'm looking for?

>>9305521
What's THAT supposed to mean?

>>9305239
All the good ideas have been done

>>9305239
I know it was published in china around 5 to 10 years ago, but the Three Body Problem books were just translated in the last few years. Most innovative sci-fi I have read in awhile.
As for out of the west Dark Orbit by Carolyn Ives Gilman was great.
But if you are looking for innovation novels are not the place, read recent short story collections.

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>>9305239
I don't shill this book enough, but it's really good. Philosophical hard sci-fi, but with so much more.

>>9305038
You have to write a lot too. Reading exposes you to different ideas and styles you'd never think up on your own, writing lets you try them out. You have to actively stretch yourself in both areas to see any real improvement. Read stuff that's different from what you normally read, write stuff you've never tried writing before.

>>9305664
I second this, should have at least been nominated for a hugo, huge shame.
Adam Roberts is definitely one of the most innovative around.

>>9305703
You read any other of his stuff? I read Thing Itself almost as soon as it came out and haven't really at any of other of his books.

>>9305750
The Thing Itself is his best work.
But Salt, Jack Glass and 20 Trillion Leagues Under the Sea are all fantastic highly recommend.

99 days until the unholy consult.

Never forget

>>9302748
Apparently Peace is keeping quiet.

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Thoughts?

>>9305343

That's an interesting read, more so than I thought it would be at first given the summary is "SJW in open sores".

The argument that Mr. Garfield's private, unpublicized interest shouldn't have any bearing on his standing within the project carries weight with me. However, what if he had been a (non-practicing) member of NAMBLA instead?

>>9305583
The Golden Age.

>>9305583
>What are some books about transhumanism
Your local news here in California

>>9305583
Blindsight has a lot of transhuman elements, but not really the ones you've described.

>>9305972
>women

its above average but the female taint is there

>>9306236
Thanks mate, will try.
>>9306246
Not from States.
>>9306256
I plan to read this one very soon, heard great things about it.

Name me some steampunk that isn't shitty "lord stuffedshirt and lady powderednose travel through time on a airship to shoot the dastardly boers and trade unionists" nerd fantasies. Closest thing to that I've read recently is the Wolfhound Century series, which turned out to be a thriller in a pseudo-Soviet Russia setting where weird shit is still running around and there are dead nanotech "angels" (space ships?) in the vast wilderness.

>>9306023
Yeah, I wasn't sure to what extent it was reasonable to discuss this here, but one wonders if just owning (or admitting to have read) the books in question would be (or will be) cause for this kind of reaction. Are there any other SFF books that stir up this kind of controversy?

>>9305972
One of the better recent books.

>>9304762
I've read the entire book, this is one of the worst parts but nothing in the rest of it makes up in comparison.

>>9305086
This. Don't take up writing seriously unless you can take criticism.

>>9306360
>steampunk
The most reddit of all pseudo-genres.

>>9305586
It means if your books aren't full of feefees and stronk women they will do poorly.

>>9306360
Iron Council, where the trade unionists and their golems shoot Lord Stuffedshirt instead

>>9305972
BOOK THREE WHEN?
>tfw no milf cougar who fucks you silly

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>>9305769
>Salt
Man of taste. My favorite of his is New Model Army.
>that illustration at the end

>>9300600
Do you know what, are any of you writing a book right now. I am.

>>9307031
WordArt holds the thread hostage whenever someone brings up writing, sorry. Someone posted a discord link earlier in the thread, that's friendlier territory.

I'd jump to your defense but it's just so tiresome.

>>9307041
Okay then. This server... has been infested by the Dark Lord and his legions of /pol/acks and more degenerate /b/tards!

>>9307041
But really, I can't find the link. Repost pls.

>>9307031
With worldbuldig done, I'm currently planning, trying to plan out intertwining plots etc. Also might consider reading some mainstream literature so I can give my characters a bit more weight. Once summer hits I'll sit down and try and write for 4-6 hours a day and really smash out the book itself.

Also got a host of short stuff on the back-burner but that kind of thing needs to stew.

>>9307048
>ctrl+f discord

>>9307049
I'm also writing a book as well. I'm still working on worldbuilding, but I have a pretty clear idea about the plot. I wish you the best of luck.

>>9304273
Do it! DO IT!

>>9300600
I have a challenge for you
Create a version of the Remove Kebab copypasta, except it has to deal with species and races from Sci-fi novels.

>>9307065
remove kzin?

>>9307084
Do it. As a Ringworld fan, I give you my keks.

REMOVE CAT remove CAt
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tupac alive numbr one #1 in serbia ….fuck the croatia ,..FUCKk ashol turks no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur flag and contry. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard kill all the turk farm aminal with rap magic now we the serba rule .ape of the zoo presidant georg bush fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and bosnia wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. serbia greattst countrey

>>9307065
Remove humans desu

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>>9307041
Sshhh. Just let it happen anon. Stop fighting me.

>>9307206
>reading comprehension this low
are you low-IQ-kun after some horrible metamorphosis?

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So, I'm not really following the nations and all the autistic name-dropping all too well, but it currently reads to me like some kind of not-Egypt is waging a holy war on magic Israel with the help not-Rome, and there's a Jewish cabal manipulating everyone.

Do I have it right so far?

>>9307238
I'm saying don't even complain about it. Let the wordart flow through you. Revel in the lamentations of authorfags. Join me anon.

>>9307507
>>>/pol/

>>9307569
What the fuck? There was nothing /pol/ about that question you little faggot.

>>9307565
So for my current short story project I've got a Holmes-style duo that I want to write finding about all sorts of conspiracies and hidden civilizations and chupacabras but they always lose their film. Holmes is this bipolar AMERICA guy and Watson is a mute photographer who narrates it, those aren't the names but I'm still settling it.

Anyway I want them to encounter a fox spirit summoned by an onmyouji in the Japanese army in WWII who's now being worshiped as a goddess by a New Guinean highland tribe, but I'm having trouble working out what kind of incantations she's using on our heroes. Oh, they'll bring along an Aussie grad student and a shrewy middle-aged professor too.

>>9307575
>There was nothing /pol/ about that question you little faggot.
>I'm not really following the nations
>some kind of not-Egypt
>waging a holy war on magic Israel
>with the help not-Rome
>Jewish cabal manipulating everyone.
>it's happening!111!!
You've been in your echo chamber so long you can't even form a coherent though without resorting to your redpills and happenings. You are viewing the world through pill tinted glasses.
Hence >>>/pol/

>>9307592
I was telling that anon to agree with my wordart.. I wasn't giving you carte Blanche...

Make sure the fox spirit gets raped. Catfag anon would like that.

>>9307611
Have you ever read The Darkness That Comes Before?

>>9307626
Yep. Awaiting TUC WHEN???
akka - cuck
Esmee - lying bitch whore
Kellhus -chad
Coffin like box - nuke
Most violent - fag

>>9307624
That would be sad though :(
Stop projecting your bizarre urges on the rest of us.

>>9307645
the cucking is so hard in book three I am having trouble continuing, does it get easier?

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>>9307715
>does it get easier?
No. in the other trilogy you see the fruit of all the cucking and your hatred just goes through the roof.
Never trust women anon. You work hard, don't cheat, devote love and time to them, and what they do? Ride the stiffest chad dick that comes their way. Then when they see the other guy was using them, they expect you to forgive them and accept them back with open arms.

>>9307611
>tumblr babby wants another safe space

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bought this signed copy of an old mirage press scrooge mcduck biography. up to 44/56 of chalker's published books. why do i never hear him mentioned here?

What is the SF equivalent of Malazan. 10+ books and huge in scope.

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just finished omega in the academy series by mcdevitt. this was the slowest of all of the series thus far. feels like the series is losing steam but the ending gave me some hope. the fireworks makes me wonder how the next one will go.

anyone gotten into this one?

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>>9308128
>as riveting as Arthur C. Clarke
I am beside myself with excitement

>>9308140
haha.

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>tfw an ARC will never leak
JUST
KEK
MY
SHIT
UP

>>9307507
Pretty much, yes

>>9308128

I stopped reading these after i realized that ever single story climaxed with a spaceship/a coil of rope / and some sort of time constrained stunt to rescue someone.

rubbish

>>9308300
>a coil of rope
That can't be a real book.

>>9308303

ok it wasn't rope but a coil of some hardy steel cable.

read them and tell me I am wrong

>>9308306
N-no thanks anon. You're doing god's work sorting the chaff from the diamonds.

>>9305972
it smelt of empowered women seeking a HUGO and just HAD to drop in a tranny and powerful """black""" character.

I really wanted to like it but it felt forced.

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>>9308313
>and then in the second book everything gets sidelined for loli headpatting
N-nani?

>>9303981
>Everyone uses that as a criteria.
criterion

is Dorcas fat? How else would it be possible for her thighs to interfere with her walking? Is Wolfe a chubby chaser? Why must his breasts always jut?

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>>9305038
>every so often I get optimistic and explain the best method of learning to write to students. I don't believe any of them has ever tried it, but I will explain it to you now. After all, you may be the exception. When I read about this method, it was attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who invented and discovered so much. Certainly I did not invent it. But I did it, and it worked. That is more than can be said for most creative writing classes. Find a very short story by a writer you admire. Read it over and over until you understand everything in it. Then read it over a lot more. Here's the key part. You MUST do this. Put it away where you cannot get at it. You will have to find a way to do it that works for you. Mail the story to a friend and ask him to keep it for you, or whatever. I left the story I had studied in my desk on Friday. Having no weekend access to the building in which I worked, I could not get to it until Monday morning. When you cannot see it again, write it yourself. You know who the characters are. You know what happens. You write it. Make it as good as you can. Compare your story to the original, when you have access to the original again. Is your version longer? Shorter? Why? Read both versions out loud. There will be places where you had trouble. Now you can see how the author handled those problems. If you want to learn to write fiction, and are among those rare people willing to work at it, you might want to use the little story you have just finished as one of your models. It's about the right length.
- Gene Wolfe in his Afterword to 'The Boy Who Hooked the Sun'

Well anon? Are you one of those rare people willing to work at it?

>>9308405
Thanks.

>>9307031
Total shot in the dark. Is your name Benjamin?

>>9308441
Assuming you mean Jolenta. Her physique has been artificially enhanced to be perfect, meaning of course that she's THICC. Wolfe knows what's up.

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>>9305583
Hannu Rajaniemi and his Quantum Thief
John C. Wright and his Count to a Trillion. And also his Golden Age.
Peter Watts and his Blindopraxia.
Plus probably Charlie Stross and Cory Doctorow with their Rapture for the nerds if you're a nu-male.
And Stross Accelerando is also pretty good.
Basically that's it

>>9302795
BotNS

>>9300677
His writing is unbearable compared to Erikson.

>>9308313
Why are the Hugo's hated so much? Most seem to nominate and be awarded to worthy novels. Is the Locus better?

Give me some Deep Space Exploration pls, with lots of alien stuff.

>>9308306
you're certainly not wrong.

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>>9308981
Not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but this is breddy gud alien-heavy sf.

>>9308277
ARCS are marked anon. If you leak they will know who did it. It's like screeners for movies.

>>9309241
I once downloaded a book an entire month before it was released.

>>9309241
every now and then one pops up

I'm sure there is some way to remove the marking if you have the skill

>>9309168
I second this recommendation. Shame the rest of the books in the series meander and don't progress the incredibly interesting plot at all.

There's a nice little survey of fantasy and how it's defined by John C Wright on the Castalia House blog atm.

As for what I'm reading, I found an Ace old paperback of some of Leigh Brackett's stories, which between 1967 and now have crossed the Atlantic and landed onto English shores. Yes, the page edges are a deep shade of orange, but it seems appropriate for these tales of Mars. I'm impressed the glue still holds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB7-AhFehVc

>>9308062
Well World comes up occasionally. You just need to pay more attention I guess.

>>9309305
epubs are really just zip files.

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>>9300600
hey, anons. I was sent here

>Start reading pic related
>10 pages in and I still have no idea wtf is going on at all

Is this how it's meant to be read? Can someone rec some more entry-core cyberpunk?

>>9309768
Altered Carbon.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2017/03/count-to-infinity-sneak-peak/

>>9309786
will check out ty

>>9309768

Gibson's writing is a bit weird and obtuse at times, it'll make sense the more you go on. Would also rec the other cyber staple Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash was fun af

>>9309793
so is this going to be the last book?

>>9309768
The best way to create a genre is to write like it has already existed. Just get over it. After 1/3 you'll get a hang of it.

>>9309768
I sent you here and if it makes you feel any better if I'm not thoroughly confused 10 pages in I know it's going to be a shit book.

I actually went on wikipedia after starting Blindsight to see if he really did mean actual vampires.

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>>9309817
Yep. Montrose is going to discover that the future was always better than he thought it would be, Blackie will be defeated, Rania properly fertilized, the heavens properly pierced. I just hope Mickey and Illiance get their own Tengen Toppas for the final battle.

>>9300600
That's not even an ak-47, it's an akm.

>>9309885
Next thread is going to be Gandalf with an AK47 and will be titled Gandalf with an AKM edition

>>9305972
>a blurb from salon
That's really all you need to know.

>>9309899

>>9310137
>>9310137
>>9310137
>>9310137
>>9310137
NEW

>not even the bump limit

Unacceptable!

I will end its miserable time in this world.

:3