Can we get a hidden agenda in pop-culture thread going?

I had a professor talk about the reason most advertisements include sexy/attractive people is not just because humans are sexual creatures and we will associate the product with sexual pleasure, but more importantly they do it to force you to contrast with yourself in order to hammer it into your head that you aren't attractive, you don't have perfect teeth and hair, you don't have a perfect family etc in order to make you feel like shit. And when people feel like shit about themselves they want to do whatever it takes to feel better, and buying things makes you feel good.


Also, check out this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/9191107/Think-Tank-Its-the-subconscious-that-makes-ads-work.html

the worst part is that this article and all the books I've been trying to find about the use of the subconscious in advertising were all made to try to train advertisers to be better manipulators and not how to defend yourself from advertising.

Advertisers truly are scum.

Damn, this is a hard one.

I tried to look for a pick of Big Bang Theory using biodegradable cleaning products/ bringing them home from the grocery store but I couldn't find anything on google.

This does have a lot of potential. People who care like to sneak stuff into the background for the smart and the deep audience members.

This would be a great new 4chan thing.

>>9297083

I walked into my two family members watching "iron fist" fist on Netflix. It's one of the superhero TV shows that claim to have adult themes. The general plot and the level of acting in the show felt like an episode of the power rangers except it was interspersed with genuinely unsettling violence. A character got beat to death with ice-cream scoop being bloodily battered into the back of his head. Yet the show still has this cartoon like quality to the plot and character design.

Another thing I noticed is that all the actors are supremely fit. They were clothes that accentuate biceps, back muscles and arse cheeks (same thing for the women). This blatant soft porn approach seems to have found its way into contemporary soap operas too. Eastenders is a good example.

I dunno maybe I'm just prematurely turning into an old man, but something is seriously up with the media these days.. The marvel shit on Netflix anyway. It's ducking dehumanising. Can't wait for Cape movies to crash and burn. It's infantalising our culture

Literature was once aware of sexual deviation, as compared to now where deviance is no only an acceptable topic, but a sales pitch. Odd fetishes (50 shades of Gay) and even bestiality (fucking bats and wolves, AKA: Twilight)

>>9297083
man youre so smart for only figuring that out when people told you
man what if it's not just advertisers but people in general who like to remind you how shitty you are?
what if advertisers are just all regular people like me (not you, you dumb loser) and you are just a sap?

The same 4 or so producers produce all the pop records that go on to be mega hits

Pop music is getting stupider and less original because they know it sells so they repeat the same trite formula ad infinitum

>>9297150
damn... I feel like shit
Are you selling anything?

>>9297136
This is nothing new

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>>9297175
Yeah bro, it's called your self esteem, bitch.

>>9297136
>I walked into my two family members watching "iron fist" fist on Netflix. It's one of the superhero TV shows that claim to have adult themes. The general plot and the level of acting in the show felt like an episode of the power rangers except it was interspersed with genuinely unsettling violence.
Its capeshit
>A character got beat to death with ice-cream scoop being bloodily battered into the back of his head. Yet the show still has this cartoon like quality to the plot and character design.
Its capeshit
>Another thing I noticed is that all the actors are supremely fit
Its capeshit
>They were clothes that accentuate biceps, back muscles and arse cheeks (same thing for the women).
Its capeshit
>This blatant soft porn approach seems to have found its way into contemporary soap operas too. Eastenders is a good example.
Its dramashit

>I dunno maybe I'm just prematurely turning into an old man, but something is seriously up with the media these days.. The marvel shit on Netflix anyway. It's ducking dehumanising. Can't wait for Cape movies to crash and burn. It's infantalising our culture
>>9297036
>Can we get a hidden agenda in pop-culture thread going?
>>9297096
The only difference between current pop culture shittiness and past pop culture shittiness is that you're alive to experience it. It isn't especially shitty and not everything that isn't congruent with your own shitty ideology is an "agenda". You share the world with a lot of people who don't think what you think. You don't have to watch their shitty shows or listen to their shitty music, God knows they don't like yours either.

>>9297177
You seem like the type of person that would vandalize a library's front door.

As far as I go, Im not a bitch. Ive got a big dick, not that its none of your concern, but I;m big down there. Im big, you on the other hand I bet you are tiny. fag.

Im typing this next to my norweigan model gf (she's 16 btw)

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>>9297199
Funny story, when I hitchhiked the US and Mexico. I was in San Fransisco hanging out with some hippies on Haight Ashbury, and I really liked this dysfunctional spiritual hippy girl (Jennarose) so I went into the library all dirty like and stole this book just for her. Because it would have made her even more "powerful"

She also, like me, LOVES this book. haha

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Course_in_Miracles

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>>9297083
Ads are the prime example of the empty promise of the culture industry. They create the illusion that perfect harmony between the individual and society can and should be achievable and that there's something wrong with you if you have the insecurities produced by advertisements, which should be remedied through purchase, conformity, further participation in capitalism...
>>9297167
Of course everything is the same, nothing that relies on an infrastructure owned by monopolies to be disseminated can present an image other than that which conforms to the monopolies' owners' concept of the ideal consumer/employee
>>9297136
it's been going on since the 20s

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Is this too /pol/?

>>9297144
That new phenomenon of the Elsa/Spiderman youtube videos that target toddlers for views has me suspicious that its all part of a conscious plan to infect/cripple young kids' psyches by filling them up with all sorts of weird fetishes.

Most people develop their fetishes from experiences as kids or atleast that seems to be the case, and all the videos are all weirdly sexual like about closed female naked male humiliation, crossdressing, farting, cuckolding, humiliation in general. It just seems really weird..

>>9297238
>obscure allusion to Jews/Judaism with no real antagonist
>vaguely apocalyptic
>subversive implications to institutionalized/systemic destruction of "Western Culture" by said boogeyman
>no actual didactic component, leaving the perfect space for a conspiracy enthusiast to insert their own
hell yeah bro

/pol/ has made me paranoid about black male/white female couples. I can't help but notice that combination makes up the overwhelming amount of mixed-race couples in mass media.

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>>9297257
But I love my white culture

>Bach, Thomas Jefferson, his spiral library, Tai Lopez..

I can't get enough, I want to make it better. I want to start something. Gainesville, Florida. GAINESVILLE FLORIDA

GAINESVILLE FUCKING FLORIDA

>>9297269
Not really

You just notice it more

Just as you start paying attention to audi cars, you start noticing them everywherr

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>>9297269
I mean it's all about perspective. It's like when I see a woman the first thing is like "woman can have spiritual journeys and can be cool like me?"

and then it's like "oh yeah, duh they're human, just like me."

~Same goes for race.

>>9297083
That's a pretty paranoid way of thinking
Have you considered that advertisers don't care why some ads sell more than others and only noticed that the better looking the model the more successful the ad

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>>9297271

>>9297298
Koala was totally my nomad name...

Got given it in Santa Cruz mexico (I hitchhiked down there and back to Texas on $100) lul

>>9297242
Well now that you have educated me on this genre of odd material, it's hard to believe there isn't something going on.

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>>9297304

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>>9297196
>le everything was always shit anybody who complains about anything is an ignorant edgelord
I know that smutty literature used to be a popular thing but if you think we aren't living in culturally debased times you're kidding yourself.

>>9297311
I want a bust with my face on it one day...

>>9297269
It's because that sells
Black male white female is the most socially accepted interracial relationship (which is pretty racist when you think of it) and interracial anything makes people pat themselves on the back

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>>9297316
Once again, it's pretty racist when you think of it (that way.)

It's all about perspective..
Which is the answer to life, I've concluded. kek

>>9297311
I wanted to grow up to be a debaser

>>9297271
>white culture
>dusky Thomas

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>>9297322
Thomas Jefferson was a dirty kid.

And then he took a shower and became a RENAISSANCE MAN

>>9297294
I wasn't saying they do it just out of spite, calling on people's insecurities just happens to be one of the easiest ways to manipulate them. I agree with you.

Same thing with music in supermarkets, as far as I know, they don't know why it works, but it causes people to buy more products than otherwise

>>9297316
No. White male on gookette is the most socially acceptable.

>>9297319
You're not wrong, I just think it's funny that even the people consuming and producing interracial propaganda (and I mean that the way Chomsky described it) have a sense of what's normal and what isn't

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>>9297316
Black male white female is the most socially accepted interracial relationship

>>9297311
The point isn't that it's always existed but it's always been what the demented populace has enjoyed. Even during the 20s I bet drugstore crime books and western books sold a lot compared to James Joyce.

>>9297333
Actually yes that is the most common followed by bm/wf, I don't think people consider it extreme enough though to really trigger the "aw how progressive" response
But those are still very common in the media
Asians and whites are too close

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>>9297335
>>9297335
Oh yeah, like collective consciousness?

Yeah, I feel you. We mold the world we wish to live in.

Noam Chomsky has a big presence in Gainesville, Florida btw. He started the CMC which is a big part of the "alternative" movement here.

Don't know much about him, but I am quite interested in Linguistics and have also heard this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSb3nG4oTNQ

>>9297294
It's a question of technique. Advertisers have been perfecting their tactics for over a century. They developed a body of theory, it's out there if you look for it. The manipulation of people's self esteem and sexual urges was a known tactic even back in Eddie Bernay's day. If anything, they have diversified their methods since then. The same company can mercilessly exploit the consumers' insecurities with one campaign and then turn around for an 'empowering' feel good campaign a la dove soap.

>>9297339
Of course they did. But they had James Joyce and his share of the readership probably would have been respectable. The dark masses are always going to be a bunch of hideous proles but the information age has allowed the rot to spread upwards, rather than banishing it forever like some thought it would. When you're bombarded with everything ever written, filmed and whatever else all at once what chance does James Joyce have of catching anybody's attention?

>>9297320
YOU BUY ME A SO-DA, YOU BUY ME A SO-DA AND THEN... YOU MOLEST ME IN THE PARKING LOT, YEP, YEPYEP

>>9297294
t. moron

what he said was so obvious that i didn't even realize it was worth mentioning.

>>9297360
Well seeing as James Joyce is a household name and continues to be, a lit id say

this site has done more to make me insecure than any ad ever has

>tfw wristlet

>>9297036
There's freemason imagery all over Santa Clarita Diet, as well as a lot of occult symbols, i.e. black sun worship & implied incest/taboo. The whole show is satanic

>>9297144

>twilight is bestiality

This is why I can't take you "muh degeneracy" people seriously

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Outside of horror movies involving demonic possession, it's extremely difficult to find a sympathetic portrayal of the Catholic Church in Hollywood. In fact, portrayals of the Church as wicked and evil are often celebrated and awarded.

America has never really stopped hating Catholicism.

>>9298451
>Hollywood B grade horror movies make the Catholic Church lool compassionate by removing fairies and demons from people

Lol

Also, the Cathoiic church is one big farce

>>9298457
The Church is our best hope. Insofar as it does Christ's will, anyway.

>>9298426
>James Joyce is a household name
You either have extremely high-brow friends or spend too much time on /lit/. I highly doubt I know more than 5 people who would have the faintest idea who he is. And yes, I know more than 5 people.

>>9298451
This one shits me to no end. Did you see that abysmal 'Spotlight' movie that won best picture? What a piece of hypocritical garbage that was. They presented the story with all the artistry of a wikipedia article, but if that weren't enough it had to come out of Hollywood of all places. They're just mocking us. Elijah Wood all but admitted that every child in the industry is at serious risk of being sexually exploited and then was shut up about it. Hollywood is pure evil and has been for a long time. You can count the good directors on your fingers, skill and morals, there are barely any.

>>9298535

Will there ever be a movie about Rotherham?

>>9298517
lmao fairytale

>>9297083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvp97SMZc6M&t=16s

>>9298530

The percentage of total people who read Joyce (or other classic/"high-brow" literature) hasn't changed. But the actual number of readers has been steadily climbing for the past century as it has become steadily cheaper and easier to mass print books. When you make it easier for people to find something to read, while the percentage of intellectual/intelligent people stays roughly the same, you get a huge void to be filled with schlock and easily digested entertainment books.

Mind you, the number of readers has been declining again as attention spans have shortened, and that's a different can of worms altogether.

>>9297167

>>9298444
>tfw grew up in Santa Clarita

>>9298451
>implying the church isn't evil

The pope is a commie that complains about wealth inequality while the church sits on a vast fortune. They're involved in organized crime and put on a progressive front for their image in the Western world while promoting backwards beliefs in the third world.

>>9298580
I disagree here. Harold Bloom said something like 16 years ago that he was seeing more and more good and intelligent students who simply weren't remotely well read as they were entering Yale. Bloom was teaching there for a long time, if anybody is qualified to talk about trends among intelligent Americans it's him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWiwd0P0c0
I found the interview. It's from 2000.

>>9298596
I'm not fond of the Catholic Church but faulting them on their riches is stupid. I hope you aren't one of those clowns who wants them to sell their entire collection of priceless artworks and artifacts to create a bumper-year of gibs for the black hole that is the third world.

>>9298562
That seems like more of a British responsibility to me. And we all know how the British are. Once John Boorman dies English filmmaking is finished. And he's simply too good-hearted to make a movie about such a negative topic. It'd kill him.

>>9298596

>The pope is a commie that complains about wealth inequality

Hey if you make it back to 1945 tell Fred Koch to tell John Birch to lay low.

>>9297294
Read more retard

>>9297316
>Black male white female is the most socially accepted interracial relationship
Lol what planet are you on?

>>9297316
>Black male white female is the most socially accepted interracial relationship

Are you all fucked up on drugs? It's more or less the LEAST accepted interracial relationship, which is why it's the one that awards the most brownie points for representation.

>>9297096
I don't think it really counts as a hidden agenda, but from what I've seen of The Big Bang Theory is absoluetly chalked full of le nerdy product placement.
"Hey guys have you read the is new Marvel TM comic yet?"
"Hey aren't you excited for this Big Upcoming Videogame TM?"
"Let's go see this new Generic Hollywood Blockbuster Capeshit, it's gonna be great and you can trust us because were nerds and we know capeshit!"

tl;dr what are some good book recommendations on this subject

>>9297294
That is incredibly incredibly naive to think advertisers don't autistically try to break down what makes advertisements successful to a science

>>9297316
Wrong
It's WMAF

Even walking around London with my black gf gets us a fuck ton of stares, but i see rice plowers get ignored

>>9298448
That was mainly a joke, but the main point is that sexual perversion wasn't praised of glorified, or even the main point in a story. More of an experience not important to the overlying contrast. I miss books that had something important to get across, not how they're going to sell their next book.

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>>9297294
>implying don draper and an assortment of other chads aren't out to get me

>>9297315
I want to bust on your face one day...

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>>9297306
Having a hard time dealing with this

>>9297316
I dont know where you are from, but from my perspective, when a woman goes down that road she loses significant social status unless she lives in NYC or the guy is literally a neuro-surgeon

>>9299393
Doesn't change the underlying principle
They're serving the market

>>9300202
Ok (second) most common, however you want to say it
I meant that people accept it in the media because it is (second) most common in society
In both bm/wf and white male Asian female, the females are dating up the testosterone ladder.
Blacks have (on average) more test than whites who have more than Asians

>>9300193
This is the kind of shit that keeps me from dismissing /pol/ entirely. Sure it's 95% edgy kids shitting up muh sekrit club, but every once in a while they come across something like these videos that I literally can't explain otherwise. And your screencap is the tame end of things - there are literal coprophilia videos marketed toward kids on youtube. There's a video of Elsa playing with and eating (presumably fake) feces. I think someone out there actually wants to destroy humanity, and is targeting children to do it.

>>9300202
In my experience, they don't lose social status per say, but I dare say white men will consider them damaged goods.

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>>9298627
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWiwd0P0c0

>he says in 5 to 6 years harry potter will be completely forgotten, and only of interest to sociologists
>17 years later

>>9300227
>>9300242

White males dont lose status dating other races.
White Females lose status dating Blacks or Asians, Not Arabs or Latinos
Male Asians including Indians only lose status dating blacks.
Black Males only gain status by dating other races
Female Blacks only lose status dating black men
Female Asians lose status dating Indians and Blacks
Indian Women only lose status dating black men
Latinos are wildcards
Native Americans are Wildcards
Aboriginals remove status from all, and gain status by all.
Arabs and Persian males function as white men in the west, and asians in the east.
Arab women lose status dating blacks or indians
Persian women are basically white.

>>9300251
The movies are 100% to blame for that

>>9300252
Jewish women and Men lose status dating all others.

Really makes you think

>>9300252
>White males dont lose status dating other races.

They certainly do in my country.

>>9300252
Women only date for status
In our eyes a coal burner is a filthy whore
But in many social circles dating a black guy is "cool"

>>9300273
If you marry a black you do in America, but if we are just talking dating and not reproduction, it is understood as a novelty, with Asians and Latinas being praiseworthy.

Abbos are of course the universal reducer in status.

>>9300280
The men that native women don't want in my country usually end up importing a wife from Thailand or some other Asian country, and they are most certainly viewed as losers by everyone for the rest of their lives for that reason.

>>9300252
>White Females lose status dating Blacks or Asians, Not Arabs or Latinos
Keep telling yourself that, dude.

>>9300289
Anon seems correct to me.

>>9300289
Kek

>>9300286
That is pathetic, but an assimilated second gen asian qt is a win.

>>9300252
BLACKED

>>9300252

>this is your brain on the red pill

Do humans lose dignity from browsing 4chan, watching anime and masturbating?

>>9300279

>Women only date for status

I dunno man, I'm a total bum but I still managed to pork your mom.

>>9300273
If you brought around some new black girlfriend, and she wasnt a disgusting hoe, your buddies would laugh and ask if you had jungle fever. Now if you put a ring on the finger, they would all grit their teeth and look at each other uncomfortably.

>>9300263
jews along with the irish and koreans are the least spooked. funny how they all were heavily oppressed.

>>9300342
But you can have any irish woman you want for a shot of whiskey and a compliment

>>9300332
the only whites who do that tend to be low-status/poor, really makes you think.

>>9300349
So?

>>9300349
What's the trick for Jews and Koreans?

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>>9300375
Starcraft abilities and not being a carrier of Tay-Sachs

Has bloom ever given his opinion on tolkien/lotor

>>9298535

Spotlight was pretty much a movie made under the complete bleakness of the true events surrounding that shit. Blah blah, hollywood is full of pedophiles, I wouldn't doubt it.

The Catholic church likes to fuck altar boys, we've known this for a long ass time now buddy.

>>9300252
>everything I know about race and social status I learned on 4chan: the post

>>9300233
Link to the video?

>>9300613

This is merely an hypothesis to explain a real phenomenon.

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

>inb4 lol OKCupid

These are HUGE datasets. They can't be dismissed out of hand.

>>9300140
She's so fucking ugly. She looks like a crack-smoking alien, her music's trash, and she talks shite. Why do people like her?

>>9300688
Online dating is very different from real life dating.

>>9300252
What does status actually mean here? In real terms?

>>9300708

No, it isn't. They are totally permeable domains, and I would say more people find sexual partners through digital media than more 'conventional' means at this point. That had absolutely been my own experience.

An interface doesn't magically manifest prejudices--they are latent in a subject. User analysis just let's us more easily track these prejudices.

>>9300735
>I would say more people find sexual partners through digital media than more 'conventional' means at this point
That doesn't change the fact that it is different.

>An interface doesn't magically manifest prejudices--they are latent in a subject
Given the options, everyone will have superficial preferences, but in daily life we will look past them towards personality compatibility, conversation skills, position in life or even just plain familiarity.

>>9300769

Show me the data.

>>9300780
why don't you show him the data relating to the ratio of irl:online dating

or data about how behaviour online is indicative of behaviour irl

yeah, that's right

called you out

>>9300780
You're the the one jerking himself to data.

>>9300794

>http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/one-third-u-s-marriages-start-online-dating-study-article-1.1362743

These are just meeting-to-marriages. Casual dating, hook-ups, friendships, etc are not accounted for. I'll keep digging.

The sharp distinction between 'online' life and 'real' life is, considering the radical interdigitation of both, a specious fiction. We don't move between two separate realms; we occupy both simultaneously.

>>9300806

You're the one making groundless counter-claims in the face of a mass of heavily suggestive evidence.

The idea of coffee being for high status go getters has cucked me hard. I sit around all day wasting time but if I'm drinking coffee then there must be something sophisticated about it. I plan to stop soon.

I have other opinions but they're all standard pol fare.

>>9300286
lol, Sweden?

>>9300806
>>9300794

HOWEVER, one notable behavioral difference between online activity and offline is risk-aversion. People are less risk-averse online, meaning they extend themselves at possible cost or at least null pay-off. In terms of dating, this means more 'cold approaching'. So you'll see base preferences more pronounced online than offline, lending even me weight to the okc data.

>>9300833
Because of what that evidence supposedly points to, people irl dismiss it very frequently.

I think what's interesting about the conspiracy theory version of rightwing ideology is how much it mirrors post-modern philosophy.

By taking the redpill, a form of blindness is removed, letting you see things as they "truly are".

Isn't this Deconstruction? Like Debord showing the truth about media images, or Zizek's critiques of liberalism.

Inherent in both the redpill and Deconstruction, is the notion that how you were taught to see society hides a deeper truth.

Thus OPs question "Can we get a hidden agenda in pop-culture thread going" interests me because of it's open endness. I'm not sure which side of the conspiracy he wants us to reveal to each other. And in this thread, we see competing redpill/deconstruction ideas about hidden agendas within mainstream society.

>>9300872

Okay. And? Despite the mass of evidence supporting the historical fact of the holocaust, there are still a TON of people that deny that fact.

Having your prejudices reflected back on you is bound to cause discomfort, especially when your believe yourself to be mostly free of them.

>>9300889
Dating is not a fact, it's a social phenomenon, if people start believing or acting differently then the data will change.

>>9300897

The establishment of a 'fact' is also a 'social phenomenon'.

Yes, if people behave differently then the datable collected from then about their d behavior wok change. But they aren't behaving differently, so the data isn't different. We have to account for the data we have.

Again, online dating is not radically different than 'real' dating, and in any event online dating is starting to supersede 'real' dating, such that the data we have from online dating is reflective of actual dating patterns. It's not some epiphenomenon; this is how people are actually behaving.

>>9300659
this is one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIwKB3NZ46s
it has 60 million views

>>9300916
Maybe dumb millennials who can't connect with people except though a lcd screen, but for all of human history people mostly just dated people who were there (familiar): coworkers, neighbors, friends of friends or friends of the family and so on; only now we have this disposable, shopping-like approach to dating.

>>9300925
She is really preggers?

>>9300934

Whatever your aesthetic preferences for how sexual socially 'should look' is irrelevant. Explain the data.

>>9300955
I said nothing about should. And take the data up your ass.

>>9300887
Everyone wants to think there is something more to the world than what there actually is.

What is the deal with cigarettes? These midcentury media fabrications of it as a symbol of e.g. masculinity, individualism, adulthood are still present in the collective imagination. But as a smoker I have noticed that younger, moneyed people will freely mock or berate me for smoking. Obviously there is a stigma, but what is it about cigarettes particularly that allows them to transgress basic etiquette? I have never seen these yuppie types go at someone that hard, other than smokers. My thinking is it's a class thing, coupled with gv't propaganda.

>>9301251
Popular youth television channels like MTV are filled with anti-smoking advertisements. My siblings watch that shit and I overhear it all the time.

why do these threads always devolve into /pol/ race baiting

>>9301293
It's barely even a problem anymore. I'm not a pusher, I just want them to leave me alone.

>>9301251
and yet they probably drink every other night

>>9301251

smoking is a huge detriment to society, people have to pay taxes for people who get illnesses caused by smoking

the government hikes up the taxes on cigarettes in an attempt to partially accommodate this

they also release media campaigns to stigmatise cigarettes as dirty and unhealthy, which they are

smoking, apart from rebellious teenagers, is now seen as uncool and gross

only poor people buy them now even though they are expensive

in australia, a 25 packet of cigs can cost almost $30, only poor uneducated people are that stupid to regularly buy them

>>9301301
Well it's constantly pushed on these kids to 'be the generation that ends smoking.'

>>9301209
well, I'd agree with that cynicism, except history has shown repeatedly that there IS more out there. Like the discovery of new continents, planets, the abolishing of fuedalism/caste systems, the discovery of evolution or the copernican model of the solar system.

We know we can be mistaken about things. Watergate, the Inquisition or McCarthy era hunt for communists. Once upon a time people believed the world was flat, or that flies spontaneously generated out of rotting meat, but then we found the earth was a sphere and that other flies lay eggs in rotting meat.

I think it's a bit arrogant to assume that everything is figured out.

My original point is that for all the shit-talking redpillers do on post-modern leftist acadamia, they're using the same strategies.

>>9301251
Cigarettes are fucking disgusting.

>>9301251
Literally everybody you encounter that doesn't smoke thinks you smell like shit and they pity your addiction

>>9298443
fuck man that's the first time i've seen this mentioned anywhere... I have really small wrists. how did you do it
how did you play literally my only body insecurity

>>9298566
tips fedorah

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>>9301251

>be on porch
>having smoke
>mother and child walk by
>What's he doing Mommy?
>He's a SMOKER
>Oh, is he much older?
>Shhh honey

>>9301251
>>9301803
It's filthy.

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>>9300925
This is beyond my capability to process

>>9297338
it is
Asian female - white male is next but gets SIGNIFICANTLY more flack

look at how people react on here to it.

>>9301251
I would like to think I am on the outskirts of being effected by the internet, but kissing a girl that smokes is fucking gross

>>9301311
Guy you're replying to—I don't disagree necessarily, but there are other public nuisances that are just as prominent. I'm wondering at the exact etiology of this vitriol.

>>9301830
Yeah I think you're right. It's pretty common to see wm/af couples discussed in terms of fetishization but nobody ever discussed bm/wf couples in such terms, or any other interracial pairing for that matter.

smoking is the one "big" triumph of the progressive left's social engineering and they are desperate to keep it down.

obesity is far worse than smoking and far more offensive to see.

>>9301847
people may have stronger negative feelings to bm/wf but they are far more repressed and less common in the public dialogue

meanwhile a white man with an Asian girl will be openly berated.
similar issues for other race combos

even white man-black woman because no matter how much we pretend the women is in the "weaker" position and thus the white man is dominating her in effect (though willingly)

>>9301810

If people want to smoke it's their own business. If you're scared of getting a whiff of second hand smoke you might as well not go out at all and get all your tendies shipped to you with Amazon Prime

>>9301654
What's your point, or are you just trying to get me to feel bad? As it stands most of the replies I've gotten confirm that the cigarette stigma is manufactured.

>>9301852
Bingo. I will continue to smoke if only to spite people who take personal satisfaction at "ending" some social evil

>>9301884
How is this any different from obese people who claim they are proud to be fat because they are "challenging oppressive beauty standards"? Just admit that you are unhealthy, no need to try to make it into a political statement.

>>9301819
Does no one else actually care about this shit? Is it just me and this anon? What are we missing?

>>9301900
I'll admit it's tongue in cheek. I'm an addict and I have no real illusions about what cigarettes are doing to me, but that doesn't mean people have to treat me like a pariah (which, I'm sure you've noticed, is the opposite of what happens to fat people).

>>9301905
What do you know about that?

>>9301293
>>9301577
If you didn't know those "Truth" advertisements that include the slogan "be the generation that ends smoking" are actually financed by the big tobacco companies. They also have a (slight) say in the content of these advertisements, so anyone who diludes themselves into thinking they're doing something noble by being inspired by these ads are just as gullible and foolish as people in the 60s who started smoking because of tv ads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement

>>9301837
because unlike something like obesity is derived from food, a necessity at its base level

smoking is a completely useless and detrimental habit

there is no need to smoke whatsoever

you may as well go breathe in random toxic fumes for all the good its doing

Who funds anti-vaxxer groups? It's too coordinated, well funded, and concerted to just be spontaneous stupidity (Like chem trails or the cops killing niggers to harvest their melanin).

More importantly, why? My bet is on a combination of the plastic industry and the food industry trying to hide the microplastics in our food and the fact that overly processed garbage leads to poor gut flora (respectively).

>>9297272
Yeah
black male/white female relations have never really been pushed
only in
>books
>movies
>tv shows
>commercials/advertisements
>porn
>....

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>>9301905
No, I have quite a bit of morbid curiosity but dont really know what to think about this. Part of me thinks that these videos are only made because they get a lot of views but who is the target audience? It cant really be kids. Of course little girls might watch it because it has Elsa in it but how did this get started? Who had the original idea and why? I also dont see any kind of benefit in forcing "degenerate" fetishes into society, Id wager that most people have some kind of kink that would count as perverse and only in the rarest of cases these fetishes actually keep people from actively dating and having kids if you want to follow the /pol/ logic of the agenda of the destruction of the white race. Who is benefitting and who is watching this?

>>9301900
This comes from a place though. Im not defending the "healthy at every size movement" but overweight people do face social stigmatization. The interesting part about how society treats overweight people is that this stigmatization is deeply engrained into the collective conciousness, it also helps that fat people are seen by the vast majority of people as unattractive even without society telling them to do so, but on the surface especially people who want to be seen as open minded and progressive pretend to treat them like they would anybody else. This is kind of similiar to the way our society treats any formerly or still discriminated group, you can see this also happening to blacks, LGBT or disabled people. People pretend to understand them and wanting to help/ accept them but secretly despise them even if they dont tell themselves this and only interact with them for the quick ego boost of being a progressive and morally just person before going back to their mundane and boring lifes.

>>9297272
My audi is one of the best things in my life

>>9297238
looks more like 676

>>9302209
its a vocal minority of bored soccer moms

>>9302245
>pushed

>>9300488
The rate of abuse is roughly the same, if not slightly lower, than in other large institutions. It's depressing that there's any at all, but let's not act like there was, or is, an epidemic. The notion that it's somehow rampant in the Church is, again, a fiction of American media.

>>9302284
bots to rake in views and comments. just read the replies to comments. 2spooky

>>9302482
Fuckin proddies trying to keep the papists down

>>9301905
I wrote a short story about a couple who makes these videos, so it's something I care a lot about.

>>9302284
The audience is 0-4 year old children, those who are too young to think or write. This phenomenon is a combination of Youtube introducing autoplay once a video finishes and the release of the Youtube kids app. Basically the kids click randomly around the web pages stumbling on to whatever they happen to land on, so channels have an incentive to release as many videos as possible to maximize this chance of being randomly selected (Youtube also gives you a bump in the sorting algorithm for recent uploads, so it's always a good strategy to release as many as possible). Thus quality or originality does not matter at all; the video only needs to be "enjoyable" for three or four minutes to rack up ad revenue. This video gives a great explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Q5jO8I59w&t

It's a subject that's fascinating and also contains a grain of evil, the perfect setup for a story imo. We're a culture so driven by computer algorithms that a slight chance to a sorting function can create an entire subculture that profits off random juxtapositions of characters who lose all connection to their original creation. It's terrifying.

>>9302849
More like the atheists, right?

But then, America has always been a fundamentally atheist country. It just so happens that the majority of its citizens were Christians for a while.

>>9302112
That's obviously not my point—alcohol isn't a necessity but you're not side-eyed in public for drinking it.

One aspect of smoking no one's mentioned yet is the second hand effects. Anti smoking campaigns use discusting visceral images to drive home the bad-for-you angle and get people really scared of smoking. Then when you're walking on the street and you smell the smoke all those images come back to you. It's no longer someone making a personal choice about their health but about yours as well. I'm pretty sure second hand smoke of that nature, where you aren't regularly in an enclosed space with a smoker, is basically harmless. Especially as compared with the back drop of pollution an exhaust you'll breathe every day just for living in a city. But what's important isn't how bad smoke actually is for you but instead the power of those visceral images in getting people terrified that they might have their voice box amputated because they accidentally breathed too much 2nd hand smoke.

In addition to that there may be fears of any smoker automatically transmiting 2nd hand smoke to everyone he comes in contact with, in the home or in the car.

I think these are the main reasons people feel so okay villifying smokers.

>>9297316
It honestly makes me horny. When I see the same race couple I think nothing of it but when I see interracial hoo boy is the sex on my mind.

I just can't stop thinking about what the sex is like. They're together and they have sex, what is it like, what are they doing? Sex sex sex sex sex.

Fuck.

>>9300255
Exactly. Most of the people I know who have read it (almost everyone I knew growing up read at least one) picked them up after the movies were released. Unsurprisingly, I know a few people who to this day haven't picked up a different book, and they unironically believe it to be the greatest book series ever written. Just look at reddit. It's unbelievable how often there are threads defending YA.

>>9302862
Link to the story? Sounds interesting, and well-researched.

>>9303205
You are a beast that feeds and waters.

>>9300887
thats not at all what deconstruction is

you are dumb, wow

>>9303231
I enjoyed them as movies throughout the years (there are worse things to be dragged too by the gf/wife like devil wears prada or some shit) but have never read the books, they always seemed like trashy kids /lit/

>>9300205
>capitalist admitting the free market is driving dehumanizing and degenerative traits in people

>>9302663
But why?

>>9302862
Hell, even if the intended audience is little kids who mindlessly absorb anything, wouldnt it still be easier and probably better for gathering views to just make bad elsa and spiderman videos without pregnancy or shit eating?

>>9300116
You stupid nigger. Have you forgotten about El sade?

>>9297316
>Every interracial pairing in which the man is white is not more socially acceptable
Apex kek. Stop being such a goddamn paranoid victim.

>>9304527
For the fist time of my life I'm glad that I'm living in Russia.
We don't have shit like that.

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>>9304516
Papa Bear has always been redpilled. Even if those fuckin pandas prove themselves to him as human beings, he will still be suspicious of the next bamboo eaters that move in down the street

>>9304551
You have to seek shit like that out. I would never let my kid watch it.

Also, theme for this post: https://vimeo.com/88622909

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>>9301819
I feel physically sick just looking at that thumbnail. Like the combination of cartoonishness and morbidity seems essentially inhuman. Honestly I'm beginning to hope that as Trump becomes more authoritarian and deluded he'll introduce some kinds of meausures to severely restrict the kind of anonymity that allows for stuff like this. Think about it: if everyone was connected to their actual identity there wouldn't be any of this absurd Tumblr fetish shit on the left, and no fascists/royalists/PUAs on the right. I'm aware this would be a restriction on free speech and essentially destroy the internet as we know it, but if shit like this is the price we pay so we can call each other niggers and cyberbully bookstubers, then maybe it's worth the price.

Just read Propaganda and fuck off

>>9304299
YouTube is shit at monitoring their content and the people making these want muh monnies before they get demonitized.

Its really dumb - i wish YouTube would take a hardline against stuff like this but I doubt its indoctrinating children. I'd get bored of that shit if I was a kid.

>>9304736
I dont think it is for indoctrinating children either, thats my whole point. Despite going "Yeah, Elsa!!!" whats even appealing about these videos for a child? I dont understand why these exact kinds of videos exist. What is the audience? Apparently the creators are making profit and the videos get views.

>>9304636
It's not only live shows cartoons have more and more footfags in it nowadays. I see porn and hentai is showing it more too. Kids gain fetishes from cartoons. I'm sure I got minor furfever from disneys anthropomorphic animals. Look at Peggy from goof troop, those bed eyes Simba gets when he throws down Nala.

We are all indoctrinated.

>>9304527
>Korra
>Some people are born inherently better than others and we should accept this as the nature of things
>Bad "Spirits" have a dark tone to their skin and are prone to acts of random violence and property destruction
>Women in power literally cannot stop fucking up the entire world for everyone else
>"Progressive"

Reminder that depriving your child of internet/smartphone/television access is child abuse.

>>9305330
Thank you Mr. Government McBrainwash!

>>9305348
Soon

>>9304963
I remember when I was a kid, I haven't felt sexual until I got a disney book about Herculus. I'm from mitteleuropa so disney stuff wasn't that common to read. I had the older disney stuff with mickey and the dog and stuff and it was ok.
But when I read Hercules, the imagery stuck in my head. The way Hercules was drawn, the girl... the Pegasus. When I went to bed one night I thought about being on a Pegasus with the girl before I fell to sleep. I had my first romantic fantasy boner. I remember since that night, every time before sleep I thought of the book and my penis and somehow turned into an erotic fantasy which was at that point just being aroused and thinking about my penis. I didn't want to read the book again, I only read it once and it just sat there on the shelf forever unlike any other book, but it started my first "impure" thoughts.
A year later I went to see Disney's Pirate Sinbad and that had a similar effect.
How did I only figure that out now?

>>9298451
What about Silence?

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>>9304569

It is the price we pay.

>>9300233
Some people have always been fucked up. Now they have video and can easily share them with the world. Other people are interested because they love watching freaks and laughing and being amazed at how fucked up they are.

Why do you think this is some conspiratorial plot as opposed to good ol fashioned people being weird and cruel?

>>9306678
I would actually call Silence an unsympathetic portrayal, and a fairly insidious one at that. Bishop Robert Barron has a great take on it here: https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/article/scorseses-silence-and-the-seaside-martyrs/5360/

What's the deal with the smear campaign against Brussels sprouts in children's media anyway? Was Big Spinach trying to stamp out the competition?