Is Bukowski garbage?

I bought a collection of his poems with a gift card I got for Christmas. I've only read a handful of them but I thought some of them were decent. Some of them are definitely fedora tier tho

>>9280234
>tho
You have no right to accuse others of being fedora tier.

>>9280242
not that guy but you have hardly an idea of what fedora implies.
tho would imply he was socially adjusted for the times, aka not a fedora who would use some 20 dollar word to try to advance a cringe-worthy impression of themself.
dummy.

>>9280248
No, fedoras are redditors who want to emulate black culture by transliterating their malformed street vernacular and listeninh to (c)rap music.

>>9280255
umm no?
liking rap music is hardly fedora-tier. It's "hip".
Fedora-types are by definition of unhip, trapped in cultural references from decades past with little concept of what's occurring in modernity, aka more like you for instance, someone who thinks rap music is a plague instead of just a natural progression of our culture (for better or worse).

>>9280272
You are a fucking retard, stop ruining my thread

>>9280272
>Fedoras want to be different and accepting, so they try to act like black people while retaining their nerdy image. They're common on /lit/, they act like American black culture is some kind of great and insightful enigma, they listen to the black music that isn't quite mainstream, and they are intimidated by blacks.

How did me saying tho imply any of that? Keep playing mental gymnastics kid.

>>9280211
The latter. Post Office is funny in parts, I can't deny it. I never bothered with his poetry.

he peaked with post office and his poetry will only make sense to a drunk

>>9280277
>I said rap music is, and that is true. If you like unintelligible babble recited over low quality snare samples, then be my guest, but don't act like it makes you superior.

I never even said I liked rap music or that it made me superior. Why the fuck are you on /lit/ if you can't go two lines without fabricating a strawman. You clearly haven't read enough.

>>9280277
>implying the people who listen to rap music think they're superior
most of them just want to be part of something, to feel hip and involved. It's not the worst thing that could happen. It's just a phase of a progressive culture. It's been pointing this way for like 70 years.

>>9280296
What are you talking about you mongoloid? Tho is just an abbreviation of though. It takes less time to type out. What about that makes you think it's black vernacular?

>>9280296
you are literally autistic and definitely the most fedora person in this thread.
you clearly have no concept of social norms and used the word transliterate in a >20 word sentence.

>>9280319
less than*

>>9280322
rejection of social norms has been hip since the 50s tardo, coincidentally the last time fedoras were cool but I guess you still gotta put that one together or take a good long look in the mirror retard.

>>9280322
If you care that much about proper grammar on an anonymous image board you're a fag and your dad should have beat the gay out of you.

>>9280334
Do you always defend your malformed syntax with homophobic slurs?

>>9280322
>It's what blacks write and say
Yes, and so do whites and Asians. It isn't contained in Negroids

>>9280346
i would say that modern culture (since the 50s) has been heavily reliant on blacks, usually in a translated subtle subversion of traditional white experience because their more "authentic", outspoken, culture is really resonant with speeding social progress, especailly in the fast and immediate internet culture.

>>9280340
Are you always such a fag?

>>9280322
You're right, no person who is not black would ever think to save time on typing by writing out slightly fewer letters in a completely unimportant online interaction. That never happens, except to poor non-blacks trying to transliterate.

>>9280296
"you're", btw (uh oh, I transliterated)

>>9280211
Congratulations, you are normal. Bukowski's appeal is similar to Vonnegut's - he's great when you're in your teens, but the appeal wanes over time and any non-idiot will loathe him by their mid twenties.

>>9280348
That coupled with the blandness and sterility of American culture in the northern US. In the same way they believe they don't have an accent they believe they are the cultural norm, or lacking in culture. Probably due to their dominance, culturally, globally and the underdog mentality prominent in the Anglosphere.

This is bullshit, I'm never leaving /toy/ ever again

>>9280357
Fuck, I was just wondering if Vonnegut would hold up for me too. I guess I should've known.

ive often heard he's an author who appeals to the young but you begin to grow out of it as you mature like >>9280357 said seeing that he tends to romanticize alcohol, poverty, promiscuity, etc.

luckily im still young so he hasnt lost his charm in my eyes quite yet :+)

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shut the fuck up

>>9280357
>tfw I'm an idiot in his mid-twenties

Fuck. Guess I get to enjoy more books though.

>>9280255
10/10 bait. Thread derailed

>>9280443
>romanticize
the only impression i got was self-deprecation. i guess there's some vanity in that, as with everything, but i felt like he was just trying to bum me out.

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>>9280486
Kek
Bukowsky is a retard
I read Women it was okay tho

>>9280211
i find him literally unreadable - so fucking stupid
good man though

>>9280263
>everything that is going on is natural and you should not criticize it
>being this unable of thinking ahistorically
I want teenagers to leave this board

>>9280501
*tips fedora*

>>9280211
Only read ham on rye and thought it should be called "My dad the dipshit"
I got the overwhelming impression that it was mostly exaggerated because why not?

>>9280792
It's impressive the way you bend definition of categories to put yourself out of them, you're maybe not aware of yourself but we are

>>9280524
>good man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047rxy5nYeo

>>9280460
Shame you're not a middle aged woman and you could enjoy even more.

>>9280211
is water wet?

>>9280805
>I got the overwhelming impression that it was mostly exaggerated because why not

That's my main problem with a lot of his work.

Post Office seemed pretty trueful, aside from him almost marrying a billionaire and becoming wealthy at the race track.

Everything else of his has this huge inflated opinion of himself, like he was objectively one of the biggest losers of the 21st century, but he keeps making up these bizarre stories where he was really a golden gloves boxer at heart, and just a temporarily inconvenienced aristocratic millionaire, and worldly poet drunk, and etc. It's like come on dude, you're a fat, ugly drunk with mediocre writing talent, that's what I fucking LIKE about you, don't ruin this shit with your delusions.

>>9280272

>Not realizing that non-whites have shaped the aesthetics of western culture for a century.

Maybe try engaging with all people that share a language with you. AAVE is far less stultified than white English. White culture has a paralyzing stick up its ass.

America is about to become majority non-white. Be my guest if you want to have no way of navigating our future cultural terrain.

>>9282344
You mean American culture? Is that why it is such vapid trash?