Is philosophy dead? Why or why not? Please no memes.

It was just a linguistic turn

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>>9277405
Scientific method & science killed philosophy.

I guess it could devolve into useless metaphilosophy about philosophy but that's of little to no worth to people not invested heavily in philosophy.

>>9277405
Philosophy as a means of finding objective truth has been replaced by science.

All other aspects of philosophy are fine, it's just that no one gives a shit about them.

>>9277445
How do we revive metaphysics and spiritual side of humans

>>9277436
I do know at least one philosopher who deals with evolutionary theory. And Daniel Dennett seems to be doing okay (though I never understood why).
So I would think that analytic philosophy might survive but only in service of science.

>>9277469
>I do know at least one philosopher who deals with evolutionary theory
Probably plenty of retarded sociologist do this with terrible resutls

>>9277436
>>9277445
Science deals in knowledge, but is unconcerned with wisdom. Scientific method provides no frame for real understanding, only raw data.

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>>9277445
Science doesn't find objective truth either

>>9277502
Nothing wrong with the first sentence.
>no real """frame""" for understading
Philosophical psycho babble please stay out. I understand so much about the world because of what the wisdom of science through scientific method has brought to me, and so do you. And this has also outdated and overruled a lot of philosophy of the past 2500 years. This makes the philosopher sad and depressed.

>>9277511
It finds knowledge good enough. Unlike ever changing and undecided philosophy.

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>>9277512
You don't not understand the world. You understand scientific models that allow you to make predictions. That's it.

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>>9277515
Knowledge is a human invention

>>9277436
>use
You just presupposed some philosophy right there.
>>9277502
>>9277512
Science is all wrong, so no you know nothing.

>>9277516
Irrelevant philosophical psycho babble pls. stay out.

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>>9277515
Btw science is also ever changing and undecided

>>9277522
If science is all wrong Mr. Pseud explain how You are posting on the 4chinz now.

If the science behind it was wrong you couldnm't do it :v)

>>9277445
science tells you how, philosophy asks why.

>>9277531
Wrong and you're still presupposing a philosophy.
>>9277533
Wrong. Pseudbabble.

>>9277540
>w-w-wrong
I see you have literally no arguments. Reminder that it would only take one zero or one to be wrong in the bios code for you to be unable to post on the 4chinz brought to you by Science.

now go shine your shoebox

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>>9277540
>LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING!!
Your value system is unfounded, logocentrist

>>9277445
>objective truth
>it finds knowledge
>Science

i know the american education system is not worth much without deep pockets so you're probably only partly to blame, but it would take only the tiniest bit of 101 epistemology and phil. of science to not to come across as mentally limited as you do now.

>>9277512
>And this has also outdated and overruled a lot of philosophy of the past 2500 years.
Funny you say that considering that greek philosophy was also a cutting edge science at that time

Really makes one ponder eh

OP here, I didn't ask you faggots if science or philosophy is superior

>>9277436
Well, actually, science and philosophy frequently work in tandem.

Medical ethics and environmental ethics are great examples

>>9277405

It isn't and It can be the most refreshing and exciting moment ever to philosophy. The only real problem is that analytical thinking, especially in usa, led to most works stand on a heavy science implied base, which in turn diminishes philosophy itself. It's a brand New form of positivism and altough it's better Than before, it is, still, defining.

>>9277436
>>9277445
>>9277469
Counter intuitive progression in the physical sciences increases the need for philosophizing, it doesn't diminish it. It's like you people have been living in a cave for the entire past half century of philosophical history

>>9277405

Philosophy has always been about serious issues. And science was the same, because, well, they were one. Now - since science has to recognize that it can only aim at phenomenal knowledge, we should ask the real question : is science dead ?
Don't take matters upside down, OP.

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>separating philosophy from science

>>9277545
>arguments are good
Ideologue.

>hurr muh empirical observation confirms induction and empiricism in general
Sense organs observing sense organs.
>>9277546
No value system is founded.

sciencie is basically the new philosophy

>>9277516
And you do? Epistemology has provided no certainty at all.

>>9277540
wtf is pseudobabble? A statement is either babble or it isn't.

>>9278965
learn how to read
it was pseudbabble, the babble of pseuds

>>9277511
>>9277516
>>9277525
Good job, fellow Feyerabend and Kuhn poster.

Show these brainlets how retarded they are.

>>9278987
Fair enough but you should learn how to form an argument.

>>9278965
I said pseudbabble not pseudobabble. Pseudobabble would be ironic babble, which is just shitposting.
>>9279094
Why are arguments good?

>>9279204
>Why are arguments good?
You criticize people for debating over minutiae but you want to dive head first into it yourself.

>>9279237
I still do not see your point.

>>9277796
>is science dead ?
No

>>9277405
philosophy will never die, the fuck kind of question is that
>>9277436
no it didn't you fucking pleb

>>9277525
Kuhn is ideology.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/10/kuhn-o28.html

>>9277405
I love these threats where uneducated plebbois criticise philosophy for not being a science. Lmao

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>all these pseudos implying that philosophy is no longer pertinent because muh science
How the fuck do you expect to reach transhumanism without logic and ethics?

>>9277405

Philosophy is dying (especially in the USA), along with free thought and real problem solving. Everyone only does what was told to them or runs with the de facto standard, rather than analyse and contemplate why that problem existed and how to address it.

>>9277512
What does science tell you about ethics? What does it tell you about political theory? What does it tell you about the scientific method itself?

It's raw data my friend.

>>9280948
>especially in the USA

Should we really give a fuck about US philosophy? And has the US ever produced a good deal of great philosophers?

Look at Europe for the real deal, leave the anglos in their meaningless, childish world.

>>9280960
What does philosophy tell you?

>>9280970
It tells me that Europe is to blame for literally everything wrong with the world.

>>9280970
It doesn't give you the objective truth, but it shows you an approximation of it, which is the best we can get.

Science can't even begin to approsch these questions, and positivism has failed. This is all the tools we've got as humans, it seems dumb to me to discredit them only because their results can not be analyzed with microscopes.

What would your alternative be?

>>9280963
>Look towards to people that killed philosophy stone-dead
I'd rather look at Asian philosophy at this point.

>>9280977
post approximation

>>9277523
What a great argument.

>>9280979
My approximation is meaningless in this debate, and would only derail this conversation.
The point here is that this approximation is literally the only tool we've got.

>>9280983
>My approximation
you said "an approximation" now you're implying there are several

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>>9277436
>>9277445
>scientific method
>object-ive Truth

>>9277450
We ask the question of being and move from there.

>>9280994

A 50% and a 60% approximation yelds different results, this applies to sciences too, were a scientific model and its improvement have vastoy different implications.
Yet you can still point a flawed argument in philosophy, which is what makes philosophy a non-randomic discipline.

To say "my approximation" does not mean that I think that all approximations are equal in value and insight, I'm just being modest about the amount of datas and reasoning my approximation is based upon.

>>9280999
>50% and a 60%
what the fuck are you on
>a flawed argument
how do you decide whether an argument is flawed

>>9281009
>what the fuck are you on
Stop being so prdantic, you know what I'm talking about. You will never get such estimates in science and philosophy, yet they gives the idea of some gradual improvement.

>how do you decide whether an argument is flawed
>what are incoherent arguments?

>>9281013
>you know what I'm talking abou
no I don't how tf do you fit different ethical philosophies into percentages
>>what are incoherent arguments?
I don't know tell please tell me

>>9281021
>no I don't how tf do you fit different ethical philosophies into percentages
I have fit different approimations into percentages.

>I don't know tell please tell me
Either you're baiting or you're too ignorant to have a actual philosophical debate. I'm here to disuss, not to teach you the basics of debating. Read a book or two and come back. Have a nice day.

>>9277436
Ehh, not really.

It's more that modern philosophers are all essentially realist materialists so they may as well just be scientists. Actual philosophy has a much greater breadth than that.

>>9281049
>Read a book or two
what if I read two books and they disagree
>Have a nice day
don't tell me what to do bitch

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>>9277405
Yes pic related

>the call that ended philosophy

>>9280977
>It doesn't give you the objective truth, but it shows you an approximation of it, which is the best we can get.
Objectivity doesn't exist. Philosophy goes nowhere when it tries to be subservient to STEMshit, or tries to be STEMshit. There's a special pit in hell for you submissive traitors.
>>9281013
>incoherence is wrong because muh will to truth says so

>>9281369
>Objectivity doesn't exisy
that's just your opinion

>>9277796
>phenomenal knowledge,
science has nothing to do with phenomenology, since nothing is experienced by scientists, beyond what any man can experience.

>>9281369
>objectivity doesn't exist

objective statement

>>9281369
>Objectivity doesn't exist.
Objectivity exists, but it is barred from us, which is exactly what that anon was saying when talking about approximations.

>Philosophy goes nowhere when it tries to be subservient to STEMshit, or tries to be STEMshit.
Science can't reach objectivity either, at best it can give us a good approximation of reality. Regardless, science can't ask those questions in the first place, so it doesn't make sense to imagine a competition between these 2 macro-fields.

>>9278166
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little Other? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the École Normale Supérieure, and I’ve edited numerous Continental philosophy journals, and I have over 300 published dissertations. I am trained in deconstruction and I’m the most sought-after speaker in the entire Francoshere. You are nothing to me but just another cognitive scientist. I will wipe you the fuck out with signifiers the likes of which has never been seen before on this so-called "natural world", mark my fucking signifiers. You think you can get away by misquoting Hume like that over the Internet? Think again, sophist. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Lacanians across the student body and your poorly argued undergraduate essays are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your "philosophy". You’re fucking Dead, kid, like the author is dead. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can debate you in over seven hundred ways, I'd say that's fairly rhizomatic. Not only am I extensively trained in debating techniques, but I have access to the entire Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy - one of its editors is a close friend, and he gave me the electronic version on a USB - and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the Continental scene, you little Oedipus. If only you could have known what Jouissance your little “clever” essay was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have kept your fucking "logic" to yourself. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re seeing the dialectical reaction, you goddamn Analytic. I will shit Foucault quotes all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, Bertrand

>>9281386
No, it is my will.
>>9281436
Nope.
>>9281454
>but it is barred from us
Wrong, it doesn't exist.
>approximation
Not at all, all there are is delusions.
>>9281538
I'm not analytic.

>>9281369
Bro if you think philosophy has nothing in common with science, you aren't even entry-level. You have gone around telling your buddies why drugs are good/ bad and that's as "philosophic" as you've gotten.

>>9281548
>No, it is my willy
not an argument

>>9281551

The philosophers who are like scientists aren't the best ones. Their analytical approach bogs them down in nonsense, and when they realize later that there was a hole in their logic they didn't think of? They still publish.

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>>9277405

>Is philosophy dead? Why or why not?

It isn't dead as such, but currently awaiting another Copernican Revolution, or 'explosion' if you prefer, à la Kant/Nietzsche/etc.

Nietzsche was the last 'big' philosopher, so to speak. The 20th century didn't, and the 21st century hasn't yet, produced a philosopher of such scope/insight as to have permeated our (intellectual) culture to the same extent as yet.

If you think we have become "unphilosophical" or in some way more stupid over the past century or so, then ol' Nietzsche comes to the rescue with some words of comfort:

>"Bad! Bad! What? Is he not going - back?"
>"Yes! But you do not rightly understand him if you complain at that. He goes back as everyone must who is trying to take a great leap forward."

>>9281625
>Nietzsche was the last 'big' philosopher, so to speak. The 20th century didn't, and the 21st century hasn't yet, produced a philosopher of such scope/insight as to have permeated our (intellectual) culture to the same extent as yet.

Freud and Jung.

haiku

perfect moon.
dead,dead,dead,Nietzsche too.

>>9282383

>Freud and Jung

I said philosophers, not psychoanalytic hacks.

>>9277523
>he derives is from ought
HA

>>9281403
>man = experience
k

>>9277436
There are some interesting contemporaries around, and there's no definite with science. It's still heavily dictated by original philosophical principals with its desire to "define" observable reality. Our perspective may be all wrong, blah blah blah, there's also no argument for the advancement of science, for any argument for progression is presupposing some axiom that doesn't exist. It's all rather subjective and therefore allows philosophy to stay relevant.

>>9281403
which is exactly what I meant by "phenomenal knowledge"

>>9277425
no one gets that THIS is the answer...

>>9277405
philosophy is wondering about life using thoughts

until that is somehow outlawed then how the fuck could philosophy be dead

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>>9284472
In academics there's no progression though, no huge figures since Nietzsche to be considered or debated. Nothing has been added to the field in like a century. I'm wondering the same as OP, are we in some post-philosophy age where there's simply too much information and too many distractions for anyone to care?

>>9284523
>no huge figures since Nietzsche to be considered or debated
I really should stop thinking I'm talking to people on /lit/ on equal footing.

>>9284535
tonight I'm realizing this pretty definitely as well, its time to hang up the hat

>>9277405
Reminder that philosophy has "died" multiple times throughout history. Reminder that Nietzsche was born in a time where philosophy was "dead," after the political failure of Hegelianism, and where scientism was dominant. Philosophy bros, there is still hope. One day the next Nietzsche/Wittgenstein will come, one day.

>>9284472
much of philosophy is an attempt to replace religion.
desu if anyone wants to read philosophy for the purposes of living they might as well join a church it's a lot simpler and it makes you feel a lot better.
i'd say philosophy is too broad to be blanketed as all worthless though, i wonder if the person capable of sieving what's actually worth anything exists though.

in b4 stoicism. elaborating on common sense and composure to hundreds of pages is fucking stupid.

>>9283692
Please guide me into interesting contemporary thinkers that address modern (hard) science, such as quantum physics for example.

I'd really love to read.

>>9285059
This
Philosophy has been "re-discovered" many times before and it will be re-discovered again

>>9285059
but neechee is terrible.

Humanities are just nonsensical rambling. Science actually does something.

>>9277450
Knowing the earth is flat and everything you learn in school is fake bullshit for the slave masses who only need to know how to work

>>9285168
You do realize we came to the scientific method trough humanities, right?

>>9281538
The ego in this post should be turned into a rap. It would be so easy to do.

>>9285168
You do realise you're on a literature board

>>9282383
You could at least have tried by saying Wittgenstein and Heidegger, or memed with Zizek, Chomsky, Foucault, derrida and Harris

>>9285399
>>9285573
Stay mad and keep reading your stories in hopes of ''understanding human condition'' or whatnot.

>>9286085
You didn't address my point. We arrived at the scientific method through humanities. Do you think that science's capabilities are unlimited?

>>9277405
Analytical philosophy is a hideous attempt to turn philosophy into a natural science. The result is pure nothingness; (extremely) difficult writing inspired by the mathematical approach that has no substance whatsoever.

Continental philosophy is just as bad. Layers and layers of obscurantist writing completely devoid of meaning.

In my humble opinion, the desperate state of the philosophy of our day is a consequence of specialization; specialization in terms of people pursuing careers in individual fields. It's not even possible any more to have profound knowledge of all the sciences and that kind of knowledge is necessary for true philosophy.

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Given the 'scandal of philosophy' is alive and kicking in 2017 the following appears plausible

>End game of linguistic and pragmatic philosophy: What they mean is X

borders on/is psychoanalysis and is epistemically inferior to

>End game of rest of philosophy: What is, is X // what we think, is X

borders on/is sophistry and is epistemically inferior to

>End game of Kantian philosophy: Y is the necessary precondition to all valid X

Feel free to disagree.

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why was he so hideous?

The next step in philosophical evolution shall be a total war upon the written word. Language has proven itself a flimsy tool for the descriptions of reality, so naturally, two camps of philosophers are bound to take shape
1. Hardcore subjectivists, who will resign from the search of absolutes and affirm the inherent ineptitude of a human as a truth seeker

2. Linguistic jihadists, who will reject language as means of communication and embrace advanced, new age mind-bending shit, starting with visualization, and ending in VR asylum, reading novels written in continuously running C++ code.

Future sure looks bright.

>>9286314
>Language has proven itself a flimsy tool for the descriptions of reality,
It absolutely has not. Stop.

Given their track record from Hume to Rorty, Anglos should be banned from philosophical discourse. That should do it.

>>9286396
I just read "Achieving our Country." Could you share why you feel that way about Rorty? I'm not liberal like he is, but I thought the book was pretty intelligent commentary

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>>9286148
>(extremely) difficult writing

>>9286314
c++ is defined in english

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>>9286314
Behead those who insist on absolutes.