What do you think about 'the old man and the sea' ?

was good

>>9268504
What do you think when the old man killed the marlin? Wasn't the marlin the old man just in another form?

>>9268482
Loved it.
Would say it was the book that got me into enjoying literature and actively wonder about themes, motives, symbolism, ...

>>9268482
Kind of exciting
Doesn't seem as deep as people say it is

>>9268482
Fuck communism.

>>9268482
>implying the old man didn't repeatedly rape the young boy out at sea, and the only reason the kid kept going was because the old man threatened to kill his family if he stopped showing up or told anyone

>>9268530
I dunno, sure.

>>9270186
97/100
>>9270120
Take 5 minutes about it and you will come up with dozens of themes
>>9270164
never got the kids importance

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>>9268530
>What do you think when the old man killed the marlin?
for food you dumb fuck. It's an allegory for communism and socialism. The hard working entrepreneur creates value and for himself and the government leeches steal everything they can from him.

>>9270345
>for food you dumb fuck
I don't think that is at all why he killed the marlin (unless you wanna go with the whole communism thing).
More the killing and returning of this huge marlin is of more importance than simply 'food, duh!'

T'was breddy güd

>>9270364
>he's never lived in a fishing community
Marlin easily weight over a thousand pounds. That's enough for an old man to live off for weeks. The story is clearly grounded in reality, I don't think debating his motives for fishing is very interesting desu.

If you want to say that the Marlin is the old man (muh post-modern interpretation) then the whole thing is meaningless. He goes out kills the fish (himself?) after much effort, and is plagued by sharks tearing away at his catch the whole way back.

What do the sharks represent in this case?

>>9268530
>why did the fisherman kill the fish
you think he's out there looking for a pet?
>Wasn't the marlin the old man just in another form?
no, the marlin was an incarnation of man's pursuit; work, or goal, or destination, etc. It had to be something. Fisherman/fish was a good allegory.

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>>9270418
Thank you. finally an intelligent interpretation.

>>9270413
Dude has been going out x amounts of times and never returned with anything yet he still goes out all the time.
Simply saying 'he is fisherman so go get fish' is incredibly superficial

>If you want to say that the Marlin is the old man (muh post-modern interpretation) then the whole thing is meaningless. He goes out kills the fish (himself?) after much effort, and is plagued by sharks tearing away at his catch the whole way back.

no not me

>What do the sharks represent in this case?

depends more how you want to see the marlin imho. But to be fair I would have to hink about this more and remember the plot a little better but I am too fickin tired now....

What is your take?

>>What do you think when the old man killed the marlin?
for food you dumb fuck. It's an allegory for communism and socialism. The hard working entrepreneur creates value and for himself and the government leeches steal everything they can from him.

You really believe this yourself or just think it is a plausible scenario, position?

>>9270418
>Wasn't the marlin the old man just in another form?
no, the marlin was an incarnation of man's pursuit; work, or goal, or destination, etc. It had to be something. Fisherman/fish was a good allegory.

Agree this is more accurate

Excelente!

>>9270445
>>>What do you think when the old man killed the marlin?
>for food you dumb fuck. It's an allegory for communism and socialism. The hard working entrepreneur creates value and for himself and the government leeches steal everything they can from him.
I was a bit polemical but basically, yes.

The bottom line is that the Marlin is the product of a man. the other poster said pursuit and that's good but I would define it more narrowly as the creation of something tangible and valuable.

>>9268482

Honestly think its Hemingway's best work

No filler just a nice compelling story with a strong sense of symbolism, pathos, and irony

>Exposition through monologues by the main character: the book
It is shit

>>9270413
>What do the sharks represent in this case?

Jews

>>9270217
the kid is his younger self

>>9270413
The state that steals from you what you have achieved over your life

It was fucking gay. I hated it and I don't recommend it.
>>9270120
It wasn't deep. It was boring and bland.

>>9271793
This isn't reddit nor goodreads. Please fuck off.

>>9270467

t. Someone who doesn't know how to be alone

> "There isn’t any symbolism. The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man … The sharks are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is shit. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know."

-Hemingway

>>9272089
Well, he probably got bored of people asking the same question over and over again.

>>9272127
Whatever. He was getting paid.

>>9270413
>What do the sharks represent in this case?
Age and nature. How it made him (santiago) old and vulnerable. Hence he struggles byo fight them and eventually fails meaning everyone will get old.

I was rooting for the sea.

Hemingway didn't write the book with symbols in mind.

The Old Man is just that; a man in every sense of the world, just older.

The fish is a fish. It's a grand fish to be sure, and the man loved him because he was great and powerful and one if God's creatures, but he was a man who needed to survive and so he killed him, like fishermen do.

The sharks were sharks, scavengers who ate what wasn't theirs, like they are bound to do. Old Man fights them off because he loves the fish.

The story is about being a part of nature and pushing yourself to the limits while still existing within the system, be it good or bad you're just a passenger.