Why do you only and exclusively read postmodern bullshit? Do

>>9252329
Define postmodern
I feel like brainlets just label anything recent and difficult that

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I usually avoid it.

Ain't got no time for no Babylon, bumbaclot head-fuckery

>>9252329
"Hurrdurr post modern bad!"

>>9252329
I read a lot of 19th and early 20th century literature as well. Personally I prefer modernism to postmodernism.

Because PoMo is fairly easy ideology/theme/philosophy to understand.

>>9252343
Bet you're a white dude called Joshua, but you have people call you "Schwa".

Few people on /lit/ do

>>9252348
most people who talk about "postmodernism" can't even define modernism or what paradigm of modernity has been superseded.

if its so easy, why does it baffle so many?

>>9252353
The only people who want authoritarian Christianity on this board don't read. The others read genre fiction, especially sci fi. Sometimes they LARP a "Hitchens vs Religion" debate. All are brainlets.

>>9252363
It's inconsistent. That's why it baffles.

>>9252341
>>9252353

Ulysses
Infinite Jest
Gravity's Rainbow
Catch-22
The Recognitions
The Name of the Rose
Pale Fire

and so on. Over and over again.
Seems like /lit/ is not aware of anything else.

>>9252353
People love Beckett, Pinecone and Gaddis, all of which could easily be called post-modern for whatever the term is worth.
Hell even Joyce could be called one of its fathers

>>9252373
whats pomo about catch 22?

>>9252375
My English teacher says he's modernist, so he's modernist in my eyes

>>9252365
How does this relate to my post?

>>9252373
>>9252375
Then go and make a thread about something else, I'd be happy to contribute

>>9252380
You do realise how different that text is for its time? Even the repitition in chapters is pomo

>>9252381
Yeah I would call Joyce a transitionary figure at best, the bulk of his work is still distinctly modern

>>9252381
Its a nonsensical term in that, as I mentioned above, most people can't define modernism.
Joyce, wolf etc etc are examples of modernism....high-modernism at that, but modernism nevertheless

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Define post-modern

>>9252396
t. I didn't read the thread

>>9252385
There's nothing post modern about it. Just because it was innovative for a popular novel doesn't mean it's post-modern.

>>9252399
Someone named a handful of examples but I haven't read any of them and am not aware of the similarities between them
What makes them pomo?

>>9252401
It's widely considered one of the first postmodern novels.

>>9252404
the guy who named the handful of pomo novels doesn't know why they're pomo.

he's going to get angry when its pointed out

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>>9252385
Something being different from its time is modernist. Modernism is all about pushing the limits and boundaries of media.

Postmodernism and Modernism can get confused because postmodern novels tend to be "anomalies" in the same way that a lot of Modern shit was anomalous. The difference is different postmodern media is anomalous for generally similar reasons, while Modernism was about the difference for its own sake.

>>9252405
because????..........what paradigm of modernity did it transcend?

>>9252417
>while Modernism was about the difference for its own sake.

that's exactly my view on Post-modernism

If everything is post-modernist, is anything post-modernist?

>>9252373
>FUCKING ULYSSES
>POSTMODERN

HOLY SHIT

>>9252442
woah...

>>9252442
Yes, everything

>>9252433
that wouldn't be quite right because most, if not all postmodernists are united under one common banner, that famous summation of the era/movement. if being different for the sake of difference was an actual product of postmodernism then we wouldn't see the repetition of irony, cynicism, pastiche.

i guess another problem is that it's hard to pin down a time when postmodernism actually began, because arguably we still believe in certain aspects of modernism (progress, omniscient narratives), even though WWII is basically the logical conclusion of modernism writ large.

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>post modernism.

oh great. its the early 90's again. I'm so glad we're venturing down this intellectual dead-end.... again.

>>9252452
No, then nothing is. All post-modernism now is a marketing term. What's next? Post-post modernism? And then post-post-post modernism after that?

>>9252453
don quixote was post-modern in that cervantes appears in the novel, thus, radically decentering the subject.......it was post-modern before modernism was even invented.

also, tristram shandy

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Mfw I see faggots still not embracing post post modernism

>>9252456
what this guy wrote.

>>9252453
True, it's hard to pin down
But it seems like you've identified the common banner of post-modernism as irony, cynicism and pastiche. That doesn't seem like an exhaustive or accurate description to me

>>9252456
Why is it an intellectual dead end? What should be done about it?

>>9252470
Who is he?

>>9252466
>I read the Wikipedia page for "Postmodern Literature": the Post

>>9252466
>>9252466
i haven't read either of these (i actually own a leather bound edition of Shandy that a bookstore clerk tricked me into buying), but how far do you want to take that claim? are you trying to say that things can't have properties that haven't yet galvanized in historical consciousness/discourse? this is obviously absurd given that the greeks were effectively democratic before democracy was understood in its fullest implication

>>9252475
the common banner is just "incredulity toward metanarratives", but i guess you can say that isn't even universal because Baudrillard's hyperreality is universally pervasive in the contemporary world, rendering itself into its own metanarratve that can explain anything.

>>9252478
>What should be done about it?
"it" doesn't exist

>>9252533
How do you get tricked into buying a book?

>>9252329
i only and exclusively write porn, on clay tablets, using cuneiform

>>9252329
Lmao postmodernism has been around a long time my friend.

>>9252714
I'm not him...but once I was in waterstones and I was buying a will self book....the qt cashier reccomended another self book... so I bought both thinking it would get me laid.

>>9252445
It's definitely the precursor of postmodernism, in fact DFW and many others took inspiration from it.

>>9253207
of course its a precursor. its the benchmark for modernism.
modernism came before post-modernism.

why are you so defective?

>>9252329
>trend
It's like 35 years out of date

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>>9252846
>>9253470
>a trend can't last for years
And autists reveal themselves again!

first, can people please actually, at the very least, do a bit of research on modernism/postmodernism before putting in a garbage comment which doesnt help with anything
modernism - rejection of "Enlightenment" thinking; notable themes that go along with this: self-consciousness (stream of consciousness novel) and irony of literary and social traditions
post-modernism - skeptical interpretations of basically anything
now with that logic, its obvious that something like 4chan is the spawn of parents that grew up circa 60s/70s/80s and have placed their own dubious beliefs on their children. There's your answer >>9252329

>>9253619
You didn't answer OP, you just gave an useless explanation of why postmodernism is the literary movement of our time. OP was asking why people on this board are so close-minded and never talk about different genres

>>9253642
I answered? because they're influenced by their parents and that's what they've been brought up on (which was implied), jeez does everything need to be
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out on this board? You don't have to look further than the current parents which is what is kinda running the country etc. Its natural to read the stuff that our parents influence us to

>>9253619
/thread

>>9253494
This gave me an erection. I feel unbalanced.

>>9253619
>mfw my parents met at a disco
You're right in the literal sense, but so so wrong otherwise.

>>9253700
Please explain how i am?

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>>9253701
This photo contains the explanation.

>>9253701
because obviously there is nothing postmodern or even remotely literary on what they impressed on me

>>9253700
dad gave mom qualuude?

I only read pre-Christian works.

>>9252433
It's pretty common for people to get confused between modernism and postmodernism. Closer scrutiny of the movements reveals their differences, not 4chan.

>>9252453
I've read the decline of the New Criticism school is a good indication. It started being used in a literary context before the visual arts in any case, even if art that could be described as 'postmodern' was produced then. 'New American Poetry' is a good indicator, and that covers poetry from 1945 onwards. Greenbergian formalism on the other hand survived as the key theory of art until the 60s.

>>9252347
This, I think modernism and premodernism are more popular here.

>>9252371
It's diverse in practice but not really inconsistent. The label is inconsistently applied and often misapplied.

>>9252390
Probably transitory in the same way that Pollock is transitory, but Pollock is considered the height of modernism. I think the key reason for why Joyce is modern is because of his reliance on text. His novel couldn't exist in any other way than as a text -- the quality of medium specificity. But things like stream of consciousness, even as a parallel to Surrealist automatism (which itself has parallels in visual art) and as such still 'modern', lay the groundwork for the kind of innovations in postmodernism.

>>9252467
We're not really post-postmodernism. Modernism and postmodernism are two sides of the same consumer culture coin. They won't be resolved until this society is.

>>9253403
this.
>>9253207
The Recognitions was the OG pomo

>>9253765
We're neither modern nor postmodern. And post-postmodernism is just a nonsense word.

>>9252329

I feel like postmodern liteature is hated more than loved here. Hard to tell without a poll.

>>9253772
We're still modern in the sense we are a technologically progressive consumer society which was built on Enlightenment principles of the self and nature. We're post-modern in the sense that we recognise we can't take modernist narratives at face value, consumer society is bizarre at best and oppressive at worst, and that some Enlightenment principles have to be reconciled with material facts and modes of 'being' otherwise unaccounted for.

>>9253791
Random shitpost.
We're neither modern nor postmodern.

>>9253804
Yeah we're a combination of both known as 'contemporary', i.e. "we have no history".

>>9253811
Now that's closer to the truth.

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>>9253619

>>9252373
Postmodern literature isn't postmodern art, it's an important distinction. Before you go criticising you may as well dive into it and see for yourself. Besides it's incredibly hard to label something postmodern or modern in literature. Artists care about labels, writers couldn't care less, so their work jump definitions constantly. Even in Realism that was well defined, you have Flaubert, a prime example of movement, that completely ditched it for Salammbo and Temptation of Saint Anthony. So, from the ones on that list, Name of the Rose definitely doesn't fit the label, maybe his Baudolino? Ulysses is often defined as modernist novel, Finnegan's Wake would be postmodern, but again if someone brought those definitions to Joice, he'd hit him in the face. Catch-22 along with Master and Margarita are satires, and I've no plans of delving into Pyncheon's and Wallace's nonsenses to figure where they fit.

Literature are authors, you like some, you hate some. As opposed to art, you don't go and stick with one period that you like the best, and shit on all the rest.

>>9253865
A reason for this could be that New York was the center of the modernist art world and of its critics whereas there is no real centre of the literary world. Though some writers in New York had a hand at art reviews. It's clearer in this way to come up with a unified idea of 'modern art'.

>>9253881
I'd say it goes further. Art is different medium, you have same words defining different eras, but in the end it's all completely different. I'm no art scholar, but I know that Picasso and Manet stayed true to their own style and era completely, both throughout their entire careers. There are no problems defining them, but in literature you have problems everywhere. Beatniks for example. They're a movement in itself, and at the same time you often have Ginsberg's Howl, and Burroughs Naked Lunch quoted as prime examples of postmodern literature. Their style in fact is really close of being postmodern. Then next to them you have Kerouac. Absolutely Beatnik as well, but he's got no postmodern surrealism in him, he adored Dostoevsky (Realism), and his writing is the closest to Proust's modernism. Conundrums everywhere, and they're the easiest group to define! They knew eachother really well, had similair philosophy, and worked in same era.