HEGEL IS USELESS BULLSHIT

>>9237054
Hegel also like de Maistre thinks that war is OK. Actually de Maistre is more of a kind-heart since he doesnt glor8fy it.

If he's generating this much butthurt then he did something right.

>>9237100
And yet you can't point out a single useful thing he said

>>9237113
He wasn't an utilitarian.

>>9237130
he has literally nothing of substance to offer

>>9237141
Did your gf left you for a Hegelian or what? No one here is going to provide you with any argument if all you do is whine about Hegel, go read his lectures/books.

>>9237141
He literally said that zitlichkeit is more important than moralitat. Unlike the other pro-french revolution morons he knew that Tradition should be the thing that society should follow first.

>>9237159
>pro-french revolution morons

But they were right.

>>9237145
What? No, my girlfriend doesn't even know who Hegel is.

I am not here to argue. I'm asking anyone to tell me a single valuable thing they learned from reading Hegel.

>>9237159
SOME traditions should be followed, others discarded, depending on their usefulness and morality. Tradition-with-a-capital-T has no inherent value whatsoever.

>>9237054
>TELL ME ONE USEFUL THING YOU LEARNED FROM READING HEGEL

Being quiet.

>>9237186
>girlfriend doesn't know who Hegel is
At least both you and her can be plebs together

>>9237054

that Skepticism, apprehended in itself as a relation to the world, is not a denial of being, but the truth of its being-in-motion, and that therefore the affect that attends it is not destructive combativeness against the finite, but indifference and calm in the face of infinity.

(like this guy: >>9237211)

>>9237187
Usefulness is a shallow quality, /lit/anon. A paperclip isn't useful for everyone, but they are there to serve many purposes.

>>9237187
>SOME traditions should be followed, others discarded, depending on their usefulness and morality.
Five year-old's first shitpost, he can't even understand that morality and usefulness derive from tradition and thus morality can't defy either, his mind has gone full centrism.

>Kant: Can't know the thing in itself, here's the proof
>Hegel: HOL UP HOL UP SO WHAT U SAYIN IS WE CANT KNOW THINGS BUT THATS A THOUGHT SO U DO KNOW HAHAHA GOTEEEEEEEEM
I always wondered why this degeneration from man to chimp in German intellectual history was "allowed". It's scary.

Not to mention of course the subsequent intellectual miscarriage that was mustache man.

>>9237339
>local-newspaper-letters-to-the-editor-style scarequotes

>>9237339
Lmfao

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>>9237141
Would Marxism even exist without Hegel though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Hegelians

>>9237250
Can you state this in plain English or does it only work in bullshit Hegelian dialectic?

>>9237348
Not scarequotes bucko.

>>9237054
To address that quote, man also creates. Don't be such a pessimist.

To address Hegel, I agree. Sure, there is wisdom behind his words, in a subjective kind. Hegel has thought his way through mazes of self-referential logic and philosophy, but is that maze truly worth exploring?
Has he not failed to communicate his findings, when even experts of his teachings disagree on the most fundamental things. Hegel has had to twist every definition of common-place language to express the truths he found, until nothing truly delineating remained.

>>9237339

kant works up his whole system to make the noumenon the impossible jewel in philosophy's crown. hegel doesn't make anything remarkable of his critique of the noumenon because as undifferentiated being it is the barest abstraction possible. there's just nothing interesting in it.

>>9237360

ok i'll try: Skepticism, as a relation to the world, is not a denial of being, but the truth of its being-in-motion, so the affect of the Skeptical philosopher is not destructive combativeness toward the finite, but indifference and calm in the face of infinity.

>>9237355
yes and we all know how valuable Marxism has proven once it was implemented in the practical world.
Besides, Marx just dressed up egalitarian thought that's been around since Robespierre (and even Athens) in Hegel's fancy dialectics.

>>9237375
>once it was implemented in the practical world.

when was that?

>Marx just dressed up egalitarian thought... in Hegel's fancy dialectics

where did he do that?

>>9237368
That is what I'm saying. If you can't express your philosophy in terms a layman may understand than it is probably a lot of ivory tower bullshit.

The pseuds here are gonna dogpile me for saying that because they've spent years reading or pretending to read all these philosophers, but it is true. Plato was a great man but his philosophy is outdated and useless. The Republic has no bearing on modern governance.


so many people on this board have their heads up their asses its really funny

>>9237362
who are you quoting then? huh? huh?

>>9237381
>in the past
>in ancient greeze

>>9237381
LOL


Yes we have never seen marxist thought implemented anywhere :-)

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>>9237390

>>9237394

so when was it?

>>9237398

See >>9237396

>>9237396
>chavez
>socialism works :D

>>9237373
>hegel doesn't make anything remarkable of his critique of the noumenon because as undifferentiated being it is the barest abstraction possible
Going on to create yet another school metaphysics BUT WAIT this time it's totally different g-guys!!! Muh b-being!! W-why are you laughing??

All these posts and not one person has produced any examples of something practical they learned from studying Hegel. Wow cool guy hes really smart i should dedicate my time to learning about these childless pseuds like Rousseau instead of living life. Philosophy is fucking gay

>>9237416
Wow congratulations on realizing this. Your mind is impressive

>>9237416
His contribution is the dialectical model of history, which is a useful way of analyzing history, especially if your intention is to CHANGE history. And for many, the idea that history is a story that we participate in and change is a revelation in itself.

>>9237407

not quite hegel's goal. hegel doesnt see philosophy as an intellectual marketplace, but as dialectical progression whereby the truth claimed by past systems is set aside while their valuable notions and advances over previous systems are preserved. so Plato advances over the Pythagoreans by showing that it is not merely the quantitative which determines being, but that the quantitative is itself a determined aspect of the Form of the thing in question.

so also with the noumenon: it's excellent that we had kant to discover it, but because he limits knowledge the the "subjective" only, denying the coincidence of structures deduced for knowledge with the reality they allegedly describe, he makes all of reality noumenal. but reality is only real insofar as it is conterminous with ideality. hegel argues that the "bare reality" is just an impression of the understanding, which has to be dialectically overstepped, as kant incompletely does.

>>9237054
Most white people think with hegelian logics

>>9237394
>marx had everything to do with leninism but nothing to do with social democracy :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

>>9237425
>hegel doesnt see philosophy as an intellectual marketplace
woah

>but as dialectical progression whereby the truth claimed by past systems is set aside while their valuable notions and advances over previous systems are preserved so Plato advances over the Pythagoreans by showing that it is not merely the quantitative which determines being, but that the quantitative is itself a determined aspect of the Form of the thing in question.
holy

>so also with the noumenon: it's excellent that we had kant to discover it, but because he limits knowledge the the "subjective" only, denying the coincidence of structures deduced for knowledge with the reality they allegedly describe, he makes all of reality noumenal. but reality is only real insofar as it is conterminous with ideality. hegel argues that the "bare reality" is just an impression of the understanding, which has to be dialectically overstepped, as kant incompletely does.
shit

I never thought of it this way

Lmao just how delusional do you have to be to deny that Lenin was strongly influenced by Marx. He spoke about Marx's work so many fucking times.
>no marxism works shut up those times we tried it weren't real tries

>>9237439
The lecture notes "Reason in History" go over all that relatively succinctly. It's actually pretty short and readable, check it out.

>>9237439

>Going on to create yet another school metaphysics

clearly

>>9237448
Well, while Lenin and Trotsky were both Marxists, their philosophies are quite different, and while leninism was certainly tried in the Soviet Union, Trotskyism never really was.

>>9237448

ive yet to see an explanation of how marxism was "implemented" unsuccessfully though?

>>9237448
>deny that Lenin was strongly influenced by Marx
who did that?

>>9237457
>>9237464
yeah fuck philosophy

>>9237472

damn dude, penetrating intellect you've there

marxists get out of my hegel thread, no one wants to argue the finer points of how your specific version of marxism hasn't been tried yet.

EVOLA SAID EVERYTHING HEGEL DID BUT BETTER

Hegel is a non-entity in serious modern philosophy. Not really worth discussing unless you're a Zizek fanboy or something.

>>9237478
Thanks my dude but I couldn't have done it without you. As they say "you are history".

>>9237491

>anglos

All I've garnered from reading this thread is that philosophy is an esoteric study that involves a lat of pseuds waxing on and on about the, and because of how they view these things which could be better explained by newer schools of thoughts such as or, they end up achieving nothing. It's a complete exercise in futility. You people will spend 20 years reading your Schopenhaeur and your Stirner and Foucoault and yaddda yadda yadda and yet you will still be unable to explain how works, you'll just be able to couch your unassuredness behind an impenetrable wall of obscure philosophical jargon. Cool man did it make people like you more? You work at a cement factory and brag about the books on your shelf like someone would do with their car.

>>9237512
>You people will spend 20 years reading
>implying

>>9237425
>hegel doesnt see philosophy as an intellectual marketplace, but as dialectical progression whereby the truth claimed by past systems is set aside while their valuable notions and advances over previous systems are preserved.
Is this really what he said? This comes across as totally arbitrary thing to say.

>>9237491
>Hegel is a non-entity in serious modern philosophy
This is fucking crazy town mate.

>>9237522
>>9237508
Stop trying to be snarky it's not working.

Still nothing valuable Hegel said being referenced in this thread, just a bunch of pseud

>>9237538
No on is trying to be "snarky". You're wrong and there's not a whole lot else to say.

>>9237563
go see a therapist.

>>9237339
pls no bully sensetive mustache man

STOP CATFIGHTING, YOU CANNOT SHOW THAT HEGEL SAID ANYTHING USEFUL


NAME ONE USEFUL THING PHILOSOPHY TAUGHT YOU


HERE IS SOMETHING SCIENCE TAUGHT ME: THE AVG IQ OF A NIGGER IS 85 LOL

Hegel was a fraud and his lectures were attended by civil servants, veterinarians and bank clerks.

>>9237360
>bullshit Hegelian dialectic
You have to go back

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>>9237396
>There are no significant flaws inherent to capitalism, guys, trust me!

>>9237647
pinochet killed a bunch of communist agitators, for the average Chilean life under his regime was quite comfortable. go fuck yourself with your Hegel

>>9237647

you might as well say that there are flaws to humans. 'capitalism' is just what happens when people are free to do business as they please, own property, have money. it's not some sort of prescribed state of affairs. it's just normal behavior. so if 'capitalism' is flawed, you're basically just saying that humans are flawed.

>>9237677
>'capitalism' is just what happens when people are free to do business as they please
>it's just normal behavior
then why did it take so fucking long to materialize
>if 'capitalism' is flawed, you're basically just saying that humans are flawed
>hunter gatherers aren't humans, CAPITALISTS are humans

>>9237054
>TELL ME ONE USEFUL THING YOU LEARNED FROM READING HEGEL

The Prussian State is the best possible political system.

>>9237705
*was, anon. We can't go back.

>>9237690
lol dude marx was a moron and purposely used false info in das kapital, go fuck yourself you pseud

>>9237742
>this guy you didn't even mention lied about stuff
solid rebuttal

>>9237186
>girlfriend
wtf u doing here normie

>>9237757
Hegel is fucking stupid.

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>>9237423
right here OP

>>9237798
so Hegel helps people understand that history is a story and we participate in it? wow neat im sure glad i spent years reading the greeks like you guys recommend. you're so smart! you must be highly regarded in literary circles

>>9237829
thanks man means a lot

I hate every single one of you stupid, stupid cunts.

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>>9237846
rude

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>>9237677
>capitalism is when people are free to own property

It's difficult to conceive of a statement more ignorant of the foundations of capitalism and the state.

See how "free" you are to own "property" when the Canadian government finds oil under "your" land, or when the US government decides you have an "oligopoly" or "monopoly."

>>9237757

wtf u doing here robot

>>9237382
>so many people on this board have their heads up their asses its really funny
Yep, and you don't. Great job.

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>>9237829
Alright if you just want to assume that you know better than all of history's writers then be my guest. And sometimes, yes we need reminding of even simple truths like that we are a part of history so that we can change it. You are clearly unhappy with your part in history as you seem to be so angry about the fact that some dude called Hegel wrote some stuff you don't understand and you can't do that. So you take to 4chan to rant about it? Just calm down and leave it be senpai.

>>9237423

History is a series of deeds, not a history of discourses.

Neck yourself

>>9237508
Not even true. Brandom and Mcdowell are the definition of anglo and are neo-hegelians

>>9237521

it's totally arbitrary because im stating it in a form ammenable to the understanding. but hegel works it out dialectically in his History of Philosophy.

>>9237904
I'm not mad I have just been lurking /lit/ for a week and have become frustrated by the way they venerate these thinkers without being able to describe why it is they venerate them or what specifically they have learned from their works

>>9237677
>own property, have money

as long as those who do these jealously and violently guard it, then only they are "free," and that only in the most abstract sense. they are still conditioned by the servitude of those whose freedom they deny

>>9237742

>makes things up
>about theory not mentioned
>>accuses other of being pseud

almost like something a pseud would do

>>9238042
Well whom do you venerate and why?

>Name one thing you found valuable from Hegel, but not unless it is something I personally do not find valuable

>>9238057
marx cited stats from before he was born in das kapital that had been rectified by labor laws and tried to pass them off as current since they furthered his point it was bullshit and yoy know it youy fucking bastard

>>9238072
I DONT KNOW, IM NOT VERY BIG ON PHILOSOPHY AND NOW THAT IM TRYING TO GET INTO IT I GET THE SENSE THAT WHILE THERE ARE MANY KERNELS OF TRUTH, A LOT OF IT IS IVORY TOWER NONSENSE THAT IS WRAPPED IN A SHROUD OF INTELLECTUAL VOCABULARY AND OUTDATED CONCEPTS

>>9238077

but anon, he has a whole chapter devoted to the labor struggle of the 19th century, and repeatedly notes that he is describing inward tendencies of the capitalist mode of production which persist so long as commodity production prevails, and so to raise the fact that he is using stats from a particular time period in order to abstract tendencies from that time period is to just excuse yourself from reading marx on the basis of what you learned on wikipedia about him.

>>9238088

anon, on an image board you can either boil down what you learned from months or years of study to a few sentences, doing your best to make it comprehensible to people not specialized in the discourses your study has made you specialized in, or you can recommend reading the philosopher at issue. but it's clear that you dont really want to learn, because in the first case, you make the most uncharitable, reductive interpretation of what's being said and then reply that what is being described is already known to you, and in the latter case you'll say, "but why cant you say whats valuable about it?"

if you would allow that maybe your common sense notions of value will have to be quite radically altered, or at least perceived as susceptible to such alteration, in order to really get something out of philosophy, then maybe one of us more patient than i could reach you. but so long as you continue bandying out an arbitrary notion of the "utility" of philosophical ideas, there's no helping you.

>>9238088
Again, man, just calm it. The point of philosophy is to deal with complex and profound ideas, questions and problems that face us as a species. Do you talk about complex and profound subjects with simple, basic language that a five year old could understand? No, because these subjects require language with a higher degree of complexity and profundity to address them. Maybe Hegel isn't for you, but there are hundreds of philosophers who, if you can see through the intellectual language, can seriously change your life. Just read everything you can and know that trying to understand it all is like trying to drink a water fall: you will get the water you need to quench your thirst, but most of it will pass you by (not that it really matters).

>>9238120
What will I learn if I pick up that phenomenology book by Hegel?

>>9238091
Marx was such an incompetent human that he got boils on his dick and ass from never bathing. this is a hegel thread, go fuck off

>>9238251

That's entirely up to you, desu.

>>9238251

Phenomenology is an "introduction" to Hegel in an extremely "temporal" sense, in that it is meant to precede study of his System. The Phenomenology therefore occupies itself with demolishing abstract, common sense ideas about perception, understanding, and consciousness, while hopefully moving you toward real apprehension of the Notion, or Idea, which, having glimpsed it, you will be able to work your way toward more concretely in the System proper. Phenomenology is a taste of the heights of heaven, not a "royal road to science." It is a critical project, standing in negative relationship to most inherited concepts of Hegel's day, like the finitude of thinking demanded by Kant.

You can pass over it if you like, because many of the things Hegel rails against have been absorbed into our thinking on the world, as for instance the reflective basis of the ego that he develops in the Master/Slave chapter that the French have made so much about.

If you really want to get into Hegel, I suggest the Lesser Logic, which has a few chapters criticizing competing philosophies in a clearer, more straightforward manner than the Phenomenology. I would read this along with Findlay's Hegel: A Re-Examination. His chapters on the Logic are about the Greater Logic, so you'll get more of the leaps between concepts that the Greater Logic spends so much time on, without the often impenetrable writing Hegel seems to think they require. Lesser Logic is a beautiful gift of a text, in my opinion, because it moves so quickly that even if not every concept stands out before you in all its shining specificity by the time Hegel is finished with it, you can nevertheless get a really concrete sense of the System in dialectical motion. After that of course you should double back for more specific study of the progression.

>>9238262

fuck Hegel. he can't even grasp simple repetition. Marx is his only heir.

fuck hegel!!!

no one in this thread can list a single thing, STILL

Why would you ever read a book for "useful?"

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>>9238532
KNOWLEDGE IS USEFUL ITS WHY MY BOOKSHELF ISNT A BUNCH OF RETARDED FICTION LIKE YOURS

even stirner is simple enough yet people posted about him for a long time.

What is a useful philosophy? If by it you mean a philosophy that can help us make progress in the development of new technologies, then Hegel is useless. If by it you mean a philosophy that will help you in dealing with difficulties of life, like pain, suffering, anxiety, depression, then Hegel is no less useless.

>>9238621
>What is a useful philosophy? If by it you mean a philosophy that can help us make progress in the development of new technologies, then Hegel is useless. If by it you mean a philosophy that will help you in dealing with difficulties of life, like pain, suffering, anxiety, depression, then Hegel is no less useless.


OK so what is he useful for

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>>9238624

>A planet-sized ghost told me that 19th century Prussia is the ultimate goal of history

- hegel

>>9237660
fuck you

>>9238714
and how is this not useful?

>>9238721
t.communist agitator

>>9238721
Time for a helicopter ride, Che.

>>9237360
>he can't understand that

Holy shit, did you even try taking the time to read it or are you just 12

>>9238797
>that Skepticism, apprehended in itself as a relation to the world, is not a denial of being, but the truth of its being-in-motion, and that therefore the affect that attends it is not destructive combativeness against the finite, but indifference and calm in the face of infinity.
tell me what dis mean

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>>9238721

>>9238834
Having a skeptical attitude towards claims of the final truth is not nihilistic, destructive, or edgy, but the requirement of living in a flowing world that is constantly coming-to-be, a flux, and therefore skepticism's effect upon yourself and the world is not negative, dangerous, question-everything-and-all-authority-and-always-be-a-muddleheaded-angry-despairing-retard, hating anything finite and trying to destroy it, but instead a calm repose towards the harmony of the universe, God, infinity.


Everything in Hegel's world is intelligible, there is nothing mysterious about the world for him. No matter how difficult of a question one can raise, (e.g. What political state is history heading towards, what is the universal need of art, what is the meaning of every historical increment), it can be answered, but only if you surrender pre-conceived opinions on truth and skeptically proceed through the study of the human mind's history, which is Hegel's System. Hegel is the Spirit confronting itself as Spirit, Mankind confronting itself as Mankind and fully understanding itself, in order to transcend the faulty limits of finitude and grasp the infinite, which, when fully completed, will let us direct our own destiny.

I don't really agree with Hegel at all, but I think he's interesting if seen as a the summit of Western logic up to his day. I prefer Spengler.

>>9238834
My attempt in translating it:
A Skeptic does not deny things that are definite, he only denies that their "definity" is eternal, which means that he affirms the truth that everything is always changing. So the Skeptic will feel no urge to fight against the finite (for everything that is finite will pass as it came), he will only keep his tranquility in the face of infinity (that is, becoming, or, speaking more imaginastically, the stream of finite forms). Speaking more briefly: the Skeptic does not attribute to the finite what is proper only to the infinite, like permanence, autosufficiency etc., but he sees the finite for what it is and will recognize its value, without denying it just for not being the infinite.
Speaking even more briefly, you can't dismiss a truth just because it's not absolute truth.
This is my interpretation.

>>9238919
I don't like Hegel but you wrote a good explanation of his thoughts, and I love me some Spengler. DOTW is killer

>>9238947
I finished the first volume of Decline before this semester, but I've had so much reading assigned (Hegel among them, incidentally) that I haven't been able to get to the second but I desperately want to.

I see Hegel as sort of grasping the Imperium in his conception of a future authoritarian State, but his whole thought is nevertheless limited by his confident unflinching belief in progress (which is a Faustian idea, incidentally). He's like the last great systematizer in Spengler's timeline before the great systems begin to be questioned, so he is useful to tap into to see what the western logic was like before its confidence was weakened but it still will harm you if you believe in it devoutly. With Spengler the Faustian will to the reality of history triumphs over the Faustian belief in Progress, as I see it.

Spengler's views on the development of art are also infinitely superior to Hegel's, but Hegel has some great stuff to say about individual artworks and the meaning of art as a phenomenon/why humans do it.

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>>9237396

>>9237757
Fuck off with your robot bullshit

>>9237054
Hitler really didn't do anything wrong!

>>9237423
>, especially if your intention is to CHANGE history
That's the most fatal misreading of Hegel.
The absolute Spirit can only be seen in hindsight. Trying to create a synthesis artificially to incite the change you want is communist gibberish and if you act on it you're going to end up getting people killed.

>>9239104
Morality can only be understood in terms of the individual's relation to the State. And since the State is merely a manifestation of the World Spirit's current level of dialectical development, it naturally follows that what is moral in one age may be immoral in a later one.

This point sounds like moral relativism, but it's really not, since at any given time there's only one set of moral constraints applying to everyone in a given society. Owning slaves in 1800 was perfectly ethical, in 2017 not so much. Gassing Jews wasn't moral even in the State of 1940's Europe.

t. someone who read one of Hegel's shorter works once

>>9239127
Correct. Going even further, if you are able to correctly grasp the form of the Spirit of your age, the age's greatest achievement (Spirit's knowledge of itself) is past and the State must be in a decline.

Rene Girard completes Hegel.

>>9239147
why can't you know the spirit as it happens? OP here. Can't you know it and continue to push forward in that direction?

>>9238485

what is the use of philosophy

>>9239489
Philosophy may not be useful to us, but maybe we can be useful for Philosophy
- Heidegger

>>9239013
t. normie

>>9239487
If you know the World Spirit as it currently is, as manifested in the State, you can't just "keep pushing in that direction" because the State can't just change. It's firmly constituted of the Spirit of its time. An advance in Spirit can be embodied in a new State, a new culture, but this requires the decline and passing away of the old one.

For Hegel, culture cannot just continually advance. Greece has to wane so Rome can rise, etc.

>>9239487

because, to rely on the dualism immediately precedent to it, to know absolute spirit the subjective spirit must be identical with the objective character of the age. once this happens though, because spirit is infinite, it is already roiling its own inner contradictions, and bringing a new objectivity into being. so by the time you sitting in your library can muster up something on the order of the Phenomenology for your present life world, that life world has already encountered its own finitude and is therefore in the process of being sublated, of passing away into something else.

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>>9237382
It's sad because you actually might believe your kindergarten water painting opinion. The human world continues to be driven by self rightous big people (adults) with undeveloped childish minds speaking their words with a little confidence, possibly actually convinced of their own on the surface point of view, and drive the sheep population here and there, the speakers power derived not from intelligence but from the mere stupid blunt muscle of the violent opinionated zombie population which they lead. The blind leading the blind. You don't read Plato to discover truth, you read it to acumulate enough opinion in order to influence others.

Science is philosophy, can a layman understand nuclear physics from a hour lecture, or a brief explanation? Your whole opinion is based around your own thoughtlessness, think a little you fucktard.

Fuck off

>>9239494
I am literally (metaphorically) Hitler's dasein but not even I could cure my Shekel Fever lol luv u Hanna
-Also Heidegger

>>9237054
I like his theory of tradegy

>>9237690
>capitalism is inherent to human existence
>has only existed for a few hundred years

you're smarter than this friend

>>9237757
robot reeee out of here

>>9237396
>has never once been able to stand up to opposition

strong system you got there

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>>9239005
>affluent bankers

>>9241007
in label only. Man has employed a means to accumulate power without disturbing others as best as possible since forever.

Hegel remains useful in the ways you can refute him. It's the ways he gets a lot "wrong" that produces a valuable body of scholarship created to expand upon his ideas.

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>>9241103
I'm willing to bet you're talking about dialectice materialism, you are basing this on the Marxist critique of his writings and you haven't even read Hegel. Please, tell me I'm wrong.

>>9241649
Not the same guy and I like Hegel but are you really pretending that Marx is the only guy that shat on Hegel? Everyone from Neetch to Russel to Deleuze shat on him. Yeah, most of it misreadings but that doesn't refute anon's point. And without Marx i'm fairly certain Hegel would have remained a minure figure like Schelling or Fichte. Almost all the continentals that picked up Hegel later on were marxists / dialectic materialists and the analytics certainly didn't try to bother with hegel.

>>9241889
Reading this post back, it sound kind of self-contradictory, what I mean is that the analytics like Russel just wrote Hegel off as crazy rambling and while the continental marxists maybe butchered him, they at least actually engaged with his philosophy and used his concepts to further their own thought.

>>9241911
Note that anon was talking about "the ways in which Hegel remains useful is in how you can refute him" and that this leads to "a valuable body of scholarship that expands upon his ideas". The analytics didn't fucking expand on Hegel, they had their roots in an entirely different school of thought, and their goal was to make the guy irrelevant again. The only school of thought I'm aware of which claims to have "expanded" on Hegels ideas by turning them on its head is Marxism.

Hegel is the only philosopher I couldn't read without a secondary scholar book explaining to me what the fuck I was reading.

Near incomprehensible psychobabble I say.

>>9241649
You're wrong, anon! :-) I have read Hegel, as well as a few of the philosophers that refute and accept him.
You should know, based off the Hegelian dialectic, that the antitheses proposed against his work are precisely what support his claims by refuting/disproving them.
I've also read a lot of his work on Tragedy, and some of it is completely unsound. (i.e. His writings on Antigone and other such plays)

>>9242159
If Marxist writings are the only examples you can come up with, I suggest you read more theory.

>>9240614


You are clearly a pretentious pseud. Yes you can't learn Nuclear Physics in an hour lecture, however the esoteric concepts can be reduced to simpler explanations that would be palatable to a layman through the use of metaphors and similar methods.

You go fuck yourself, my thread clearly triggered your insecurity about your bookshelf

>>9237857
Freedom doesn't mean "lol I'll just do whatever pleases me"

>use
>use
>use
top kek
>>9237186
>equating use to value through using the two as synonyms
JEJ
>>9237339
>wah why arent people doing stuff like my idealization of le greeks?!

>>9243727
>equating use to value
What makes something valuable besides its utility?
Answer: nothing

>this fucking commiephoneposter hasn't been banned yet

>>9243904
>this is what analytics actually think

>>9238590
Shallow.