"Industrial Society and Its Future"

Yup.

his critique of the college educated left is extremely woke

He was certainly alot more lucid than your average mail-bombing wacko.

I'd recommend reading his manifesto. much better than breivik's or eliott rodger's

>>9236702
I know it triggers the /pol/tards, but I am having a hard time seeing how automation isnt going to have the same effects as the enclosure movement in the 19th century, especially if automation becomes cheap enough for small businesses to dispose of local labor. Also, integration of AI into those systems is troubling as well, both because it will render incompetent checkout girls and shelf stockers redundant, and also for sci-fi reasons.

>>9236720
Also, for you political philosophers, what happens to marxist theory when capital:

1. Builds the means of automation
2. Uses said automation as the means of production

>>9236720
What effects

>>9236728
no joorbs, the working poor become true untermenschen, a neo-dickensian society emerges, and the products sold begin trending towards appealing towards the elite (ie those able to afford automation and the AI used to run it).

>>9236723
the machines become the proletariat

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>>9236742
ie, what happens when walmart (who employs 1% of the nation) fires 5/8 of its workforce and replaces 1/25 of that with highly trained technicians. Reminder that there are many towns where Walmarts and Mcdonalds are top employers.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/business/walmart-cuts-jobs-for-robots/

>>9236750
Please no AI Communists

Are Neechey, Ted and Elliott /our guys/?

>>9236767
>Elliot
No, this is an older board with plenty of women
>Ted
definitely

>>9236702
Depends. Everything in the manifesto is more or less sound thinking. As for the bombings, he seemed to know that he'd cause no change in the course of human 'progress' but he tried anyway. I don't know if that's admirable or mad. Ivan Illich and Jacques Ellul were able to find audiences without bombs, but then they never changed anything either.

10 points for effort but I don't know enough to say whether the contents of the manifesto was really any good.

>>9236723
It becomes self sustaining,right?
The working class will be disposed somehow.
Either with the use of force,or with monetary compensation. (Free money for existing and stuff,what is it called?)

>>9237055
>(Free money for existing and stuff,what is it called?)
universal basic income?

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>>9236723

>>9237076
That.
But I doubt the capitalists would be happy to give up even a fraction of their profits.
It would be foolish.
The other thing I could imagine happening is a new Luddite movement.

But taxing the hell out of automated work would help keeping up the status quo temporarily.

hello frogtwitter

i keep seeing uncle ted threads here, makes me happy

I don't get primitivists. First of all, even if you were able to overthrow industrial civilization, how would you ever be able to insure it never returned without any means of maintaining mass literacy? Oh, and more importantly, wouldn't everyone just die when our suns burns out?

>>9236720

/pol/ has a 1950's morality. On sexual mores. What have you. They also have a 1950's view on labour too. "Just get a fucking job and stop being lazy!!!"

Truly, these people are so stuck in their grandparents youth it's not even fucking funny anymore.

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>>9237219
The wagecucks don't speak for all of /pol/.

Fully Automated Luxury Aryan Space Communism > (((1950s Conservatism)))

>>9237190
>everyone will die when sun burns out
this is a dumb argument because you can use it to say any argument is irrelevant. society exists in context, we can criticize it

"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race" is extremely underutilized for memeing.

Kaczynski isn't really literature but I think the manifesto is pretty great. If you can read his manifesto and not agree with at least some of what he's saying you're the problem in the world

>>9237305
No, you can't. Every other political ideology, from liberalism to Marxism to literal Nazism, is pro-space colonization and pro-using-tech-to-make-sure-we-don't-die. Primitivists are the only ones who think it's a good idea for us to destroy all technological progress and effectively crawl on all fours for a few thousand years until we inevitably go extinct due to our abandonment of technology.

People forget that Ted Kaczynski was an actual genius. Being involved in those Murray psych experiments where he broke down the participants pretty harshly probably didn't help his psyche though. I mean being involved in a psychological experiment that so harshly attacks your ego and sense of self in your late teens probably has a very serious effect on a person.

>>9236702
Yes

>>9237098
Atleast in democratic countries the poor would probably try to sue for some sort of UBI or atleast to be provided basic amenities for survival such as food, clothing, shelter as a fundemntal right of citizens. Either way we're going to be working with an impossibly small upper class and an impossibly large lower class. We'll call it neo-feudalism or something to that effect. Hopefully people pick that term up, I'd like to brag about coining it in the future.

>>9237358
>inevitably go extinct
This will happen no matter what. Your timeline extends all the way to the death of our son, but does not account for the supposed end of the universe?
Speaking from where and when you're sitting, the two things might as well be the same event. It's so far out in the future

>>9237299
>Aryan
Good luck when an chunk of civilization dies of some disease that no one can genetically resist. Populations are nost sucsessful when extremely diverse. America might not have the smartest, the tallest, the strongest, but not one country has so many of all three of those qaulities in spades aside from America.

With workforce out of the picture,couldn't the holders of the production materials (Grain,Wood,Metals and Fossil Fuels) be the next great enemy of the producers?

>>9237486
>Populations are nost sucsessful when extremely diverse.

Can this myth fucking die already.
Populations are the most diverse at the height and right before the fall, yes.
Stop selling this bullshit idea that a low-trust society with constant clashing of values is going to be beneficial in the long run.

America was up until the hippie era a WASP-y place. And its presidents and the rest of its leadership were mostly Northern European. It wasn't a country of immigrants in the sense that everyone could come. The preference was clearly European.

>>9236702
He is an idiot, he should have gone to an independent publisher and telling he was a victiom of MK ULTRA instead of killing people.

But yes, he was.

>>9237581
The irish were treated the same way as chinese and mexican immigrants during there first influx to america. America has always had people who were racist, even to europeans.

>>9236723
My suspicion is that consumption will be transformed into labor. You see this happening with advertising, where a consumer is reimbursed for watching ads by granting them special deals or token currency (like on twitch where you get bits for voluntarily viewing ads).

If full automation does occur, universal basic income will probably follow. Producing a product doesn't matter unless people can afford it.

>>9237600

Which again proves my point. It was a WASP-y place.
The whole idea that America was so accepting of diversity because it looked at society like a functionalist sociologist is fucking retarded and is cheap history told at colleges in intro classes.

>>9237462
The heat death of the universe is only a hypothesis, and even then, we're talking about literally over a quadrillion years in the future, so this leaves open the possibility for us to do something about it, however quixotic that seems with our current understanding of science and technology.

Yes, I will inevitably die, but I'm not an emotionally stunted solipsist, so I'm capable of thinking of people other than myself and a future that extends beyond my lifespan.

I just don't understand your motives or goals, at all. If you've given up on progress of any kind and completely resigned yourself to the idea that humanity will die out, what do you (or anyone else) gain by doing this? If you want to live like a yeoman farmer, or medieval peasant, or even a fucking cave man, no one's stopping you. You can throw out your desktop computer and smartphone and go live innawoods somewhere doing whatever fucked up weirdo hermit shit you're into. Why condemn humanity to a fate that could have been avoided? I'm having trouble articulating it exactly, but this just sounds like the most insane shit ever. "Ah, yes, modern technological society makes life easy and strips it of its purpose. Yes, getting rid of it will insure many starve and die of curable diseases and so forth, but at least we won't feel atomized and without purpose while we needlessly suffer and condemn our species to extinction so we can LARP as savages more authentically."

>>9237622
where can you go to live like that? Kaczynski wanted to, and tried to, but eventually turned to violence because the modern world still encroached on him. there's no frontier left to explore. this is it.

>>9237614
I think you're missing the point, he's trying to make.

Italians, Germans, Irish and other immigrant communities have managed to integrate into an "American" culture after generations of discrimination and persecution.

With enough interaction, inter-marriage, with enough time passing to forget the "old ways" any culture can be synthesized into another.

I think the only real debate is whether there must be an "other" who is kept at a distance and exploited. Does capitalism function without importing cheap goods and labor and exporting violence and trash to the 3rd world. Can cultural synthesis occur on a global level?

It's certainly not a guaranteed outcome, a global capitalist mono-culture, but it seems at least possible.

Of course this could all be derailed by war or famine, climate change, a negative technological singularity, a super disease, or any number of potential disasters.

neo-Luddite... sums it up

>>9237648
>where can you go to live like that?

There are people stopping you from buying a cabin and living off the grid?

>there's no frontier left to explore. this is it.

We haven't even explored the entire ocean of our planet, much less the universe.

>>9237658

>Italians, Germans, Irish and other immigrant communities have managed to integrate into an "American" culture after generations of discrimination and persecution.

And I SAID that the preference was clearly for Europeans, with Northern (protestant) Europeans at the top of the pyramid.

>With enough interaction, inter-marriage, with enough time passing to forget the "old ways" any culture can be synthesized into another.

No it can't. One culture always dominates. Cfr. Supra.
And in the case of America, most of the meeting of cultures were, again, European. Which are at least a bit easier to 'marry' than European and Near Eastern cultures. Especially when they have a significant number.
Also, American protestants were extremely paranoid about Catholics ( Irish and Italians ) because it could mean a papal influence in politics. They wanted to assure the evangelical element kept sway

>I think the only real debate is whether there must be an "other" who is kept at a distance and exploited.

Capitalism will function until it goes off the rails and it'll be a Mad Max world. End of story.
You have to be a real ideologue to be so delusional to even assume you can squeeze a better world out of a tragedy. Never happened. Recovery after a fall is always a bad thing and an arduous process of getting one's proverbial shit together. Individually and collectively.

>Can cultural synthesis occur on a global level?

It can in the cities. The nodes in the global/cosmopolitan web of economic and cultural exchange.
But only in the cities.
And the recent elections demonstrate that this is clearly the case. The divide between the urban and the countryside will only grow.
That's when you get dumbasses like Tim Wise urging these people to completely abandon large swaths of rural land in America to move to the cities like 19th century proletariat.

>it's an "anon grew up on too much sci-fi and thinks we'll be colonizing space before we kill ourselves off" episode

>>9237717
Entirely possible, but striving for something is always better than giving up. This is also a weird take for a primitivist. You can't adopt the cynical "we'll never change anything" posture and then talk about overthrowing industrial civilization which would require all of humanity to collectively sacrifice modern comforts and luxuries for a lifestyle they would never choose for themselves and that in all likelihood would consider a terrible punishment.

>>9237717
has anyone written on humanity's failure to explore space? I think that could be interesting

>>9237717
>it's an "anon decides humanity is likely doomed so he does something stupid to ensure they're definitely doomed and also suffer from unnecessary misery and death all the while ungratefully shitting all over all his ancestors' accomplishments and sacrifices" episode

>>9237711
>No it can't. One culture always dominates. Cfr. Supra.
>And in the case of America, most of the meeting of cultures were, again, European.

But it was only through the meeting of these cultures that the concept of "European" came into existence. As the "cultural distance" between people shrinks, new categories emerge to bind them together. There was no "Italy" or "Germany" until those fiefdoms unified into nation states.

I agree that one culture reigns supreme, the point I'd make is that as the cultural distance shrinks, the separate cultures synthesize into a new one. Today the only difference between an Irish-American and a German-American are the periodic LARPing events like "Irish Fest" and St. Patrick's Day. Coexistance occurs when the differences become irrelevant. I think this could occur between any cultures, given enough time and proximity.

>>9237711
>Capitalism will function until it goes off the rails and it'll be a Mad Max world. End of story.
>You have to be a real ideologue to be so delusional to even assume you can squeeze a better world out of a tragedy.

I agree that capitalism could go off the rails into a new "dark age" or sorts. A global apartheid or sorts.

But this is far from the only possibility. I'd argue you have to be a "real ideologue to be so delusional" to think that capitalism must end in disaster. Its only one possibility.

Capitalism seems extremely adept at crisis management, you could even argue that crisis management is it's prefered mode of functioning.

There are a lot of theorists who argue against your position of the "inevitable collapse". This is the core idea behind Baudrillard's "The year 2000 will never take place", that capitalism will continually defer the disaster into the future, with no millenarian eschaton ever occuring, a slow motion disaster that never reaches it's culmination.

Another alternative is the theory outlined in "To Our Friends" by the Invisibile Comittee. They argue against the "inevitable collapse" theory by saying that a crisis must be created that isn't capitalism's own construction. That if we allow capitalism to dictate the nature of it's crisis, it will manage it perfectly. Only through a duel or a challenge can capitalism be brought down.

Personally, I'm mostly aligned to Baudrillard's theory of "disaster in slow motion that never ends", but I'm not so much of an ideologue as to realize that other outcomes are possible, even some of the more fanciful sci-fi techno-libertarian notions of escaping our dying sun aboard colony ships or some other fantasy.

>>9237358
imagine actually wanting to inflict the dismal human race on the rest of the universe and thinking you're a good person for it

>>9237784
>This is also a weird take for a primitivist. You can't adopt the cynical "we'll never change anything" posture and then talk about overthrowing industrial civilization which would require all of humanity to collectively sacrifice modern comforts and luxuries for a lifestyle they would never choose for themselves and that in all likelihood would consider a terrible punishment.
when did I claim to be a primitivst or say literally any of that? I don't find space colonization realistic but i'm just yanking your chain.

primitivism that moves past a critique of society and tries to enact practical changes is legitimately insane. you might read Zerzan and think "hey this guy has some interesting things to say" before he starts talking about killing off 6.5 billion people and unlearning language and symbolic thought (presumably also while applying some instinctual death penalty to anyone who tries to cultivate a field)..

>>9237358
i think the key here is "political ideology". There are certainly plenty of ideologies, especially some which are called 'religious' like Buddhism and Christianity which advocate for a definitive end of time.

Reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke's "Nine Billion Names of God"

http://downlode.org/Etext/nine_billion_names_of_god.html

>>9237854

>But it was only through the meeting of these cultures that the concept of "European" came into existence.

But it's still a meme anywhere else though. Look how well the concept of "European" is doing in actual Europe.
You need some VERY close proximity of peoples ( such as in America ) and intermarriage AND a significant amount of common ground to reach that.

>I agree that one culture reigns supreme, the point I'd make is that as the cultural distance shrinks

In America, you're right, European groups managed to 'get together', but it was only them. European descent groups have gone through a long process of redefining themselves after the second half of the 20th century along secular lines and AGAINST minority groups ( particularly blacks ). Liberals try to transcend that, but they can only do so, unsurprisingly, through a position the right would call self-loathing.

>But this is far from the only possibility. I'd argue you have to be a "real ideologue to be so delusional" to think that capitalism must end in disaster. Its only one possibility.

That's the Zizekian hope. But allow me to be sceptical. Especially with the left more caught up in fighting urban center cultural crusades instead. And the ones who do realize economic justice is primary are still having the liberal block on their leg and can't move further. So they too waste their times trying to convince their wing about other topics. Which just makes the witch hunt even worse.

And Baudrillard's thesis could be true... IF it isn't for nature having the last say. Which it will. Capitalism can bribe itself a new future. But nature won't be so kind when it is pushed to its edges.

>>9237861
Antinatalism doesn't fit well with Primitivism. If you think humans are bad and you want to end all suffering by killing them/discouraging them from procreating, you shouldn't want them to revert to their nature state red tooth and claw and suffer the miserable uncertain existence they were forced to tolerate before they became lucky enough to lead existences comfortable enough that existential malaise could be considered a serious complaint. I don't think you've actually thought this through. I think you're just jumping from ideology to ideology to feel important and give your life meaning, and Primitivism is just the latest phase. Maybe you should go get laid or volunteer at a soup kitchen or something.

>>9237486
this is like the reverse of that race realism shit /pol/ talk about

>>9237894
What do you advocate then?

>>9237929
>having a coherent set of beliefs in 2017

>>9237929
>Antinatalism doesn't fit well with Primitivism.
lmao, if you think this you are really fucking stupid

>>9238019
depends on how deep you go into antinatalism tho
t. other

I have read pretty much every material available about Ted's life.

If anybody wants to know anything about his life I will try and answer.

It's a shame his life gets summarized as "genius mathematician becomes a hermit and starts bombing people to protest against technology". His life was very complex and his decisions to begin his crimes was, in my opinion, no easy decision for someone as sensitive as Ted to make.

>>9237486
>muh american exceptionalism
lol, you must be one of those deluded morons who think the shithole that is the united states is prosperous because it's people are special or its culture is uniquely valuable

america is rich and powerful because it's a large country with lots of natural resources, with two oceans and two weak nations for neighbours, and because it was the only industrialized nation not destroyed by the two world wars

can't wait for your garbage shopping mall of a nation to be reduced to the insignificant backwater it was meant to be

>>9238019
Do you honestly believe people suffered less in primitive societies than they do now? Do you honestly think antinatalism convinces any but educated oversocialized Westerners?

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I'll just leave these here.

>>9238048
I understand he was part of a psychology experiment? He went to college at a young age and was subjected to some kind of weird verbal abuse to see what effect it would have on his confidence?

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>>9238048

Have you actually read, or at least "scanned-through", any of the mathematical work?

>>9238054
i don't give a shit about reducing suffering, you abject moron, nor did i ever suggest otherwise.

man suffers and dies like all animals do. my anti-natalist position is entirely instrumental to environmentalism

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opening blurb

>>9236720
I hate this "automation will replace poor people" meme. Yes, it will replace truck drivers and shelf stockers and burger flippers.
But, it will also replace people in the upper classes. AI can already do a better job at diagnosing diseases than college trained doctors. It's also breaking into the legal field. CEOs can also have most of their responsibilities replaced by AI. Eventually AI will make all people redundant, not just low skilled people.

>>9238084
AI will take a lot longer to develop than will machines that can operate entire factories nearly by themselves, with humans serving only as supervisors and maintenance workers. Proles will be made almost entirely useless by the economy in probably under twenty years, and after that, you'll have millions of people with no prospects of ever getting a job, ever.

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Now I shut up a bit and Ted actually starts writing. This and the next page (653) are his first-ever published math article. It's basically just another way of proving a result in abstract (college level) algebra.

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Ted had just turned 22 when this was published.

>>9238065
He attended Harvard and was selected as a participant in a psychological study intended to test and challenge the belief systems of students identified as gifted but socially difficult. About once every fortnight he met up with two psychologists posing as university staff and a grad student (Ted was only in his late teens since he was admitted early). They would debate an issue, with the grad student instructed to go from arguing his own case to mocking Ted's appearance, his poor background and so on. When Ted said hello to the mock-psychologists on campus they deliberately ignored him. It lasted three years. In his trial he described it as the "worst experience" of his life. His reasons for continuing is that he wanted to prove he could not be broken.

>>9238075
The math stuff I don't understand and haven't read through. I've read his manifesto and biographical details. Perhaps interesting is the fact that Ted's math scores at Harvard were actually mediocre, with a b- average. Only as a grad student in Michigan did he prove his genius in any distinct sense.

>>9238078
Okay, so you're an edgelord manbaby. Got it.

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In the same issue, a challenge problem was issued by Kaczynski. This problem is also phrased in terms of abstract algebra, which one needs to be competent with in order to solve the problem. It's not a super-hard problem though, as many people had submitted solutions one year later...

>>9238132
>making peace with the inevitability of mortality is "edgy"
behold, the psyche of the plastic-souled

>>9238126
>He attended Harvard and was selected as a participant in a psychological study intended to test and challenge the belief systems of students identified as gifted but socially difficult. About once every fortnight he met up with two psychologists posing as university staff and a grad student (Ted was only in his late teens since he was admitted early). They would debate an issue, with the grad student instructed to go from arguing his own case to mocking Ted's appearance, his poor background and so on. When Ted said hello to the mock-psychologists on campus they deliberately ignored him. It lasted three years. In his trial he described it as the "worst experience" of his life. His reasons for continuing is that he wanted to prove he could not be broken.

This shit sounds totally fucked up. You've got an already anti-social mathematics savant, and now you're going to psychologically abuse him from a position of authority. I don't think it totally excuses his murders, but it gives you an idea for why he became so obsessed with seeking revenge against academics.

It was study, so there were other test subjects right? Has anyone else spoken out about what they endured as part of the experiment? I'm guessing Ted was the only one to become a mass murderer, but I doubt the rest have positive feelings about the situation.

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This what you want to read after Ted K.

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>>9236720
The development of automation is noting like the enclosure movement (which occurred in the 17th-18th century). Britain had colonies back then to send the unnecessary surplus agricultural population to where they could farm while keeping just enough to keep wages down, that's not the case today.

>>9236723
Total automation would mean wages wouldn't exist therefore capital (in the sense Marx conceptualized it) and profit wouldn't exist and there wouldn't be any basis for a price system. But what you're describing is just sci-fi for the near future, capitals goal is more modest to just create the maximum dequalification of the maximum proportion of manual labourers while it seeks to produce the maximum skill in the smallest possible proportion of mental labourers.

>>9236758
>ie, what happens when walmart (who employs 1% of the nation) fires 5/8 of its workforce and replaces 1/25 of that with highly trained technicians.
Deploying a significant degree of automation suddenly in the service sector would mean their profits crash since a large portion of their consumers are employed in the service sector.
>Reminder that there are many towns where Walmarts and Mcdonalds are top employers.
You're just describing a lot of rural communities which fundamentally just aren't viable without being propped up by welfare and government transfers... communities founded just around extracting a staple commodity, something like coal, etc, won't survive if the price collapses.... look at what happened to a lot of cities in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, it would be similar to that without transfer payments.

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...as seen here. This one solution (and credit to others) appeared summer 1965, a year after the problem was originally stated.

That's 3/12 so far. I'm going to skip a bit now and just provide straight-up text links to seven of the remaining ten, where they exist (see above for context on links)

http://www.iumj.indiana.edu/IUMJ/FULLTEXT/1965/14/14039
http://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.mmj/1031732782
http://search.proquest.com/docview/288225414
https://zariski.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/2689056.pdf
http://www.ams.org/journals/tran/1969-137-00/S0002-9947-1969-0236393-5/S0002-9947-1969-0236393-5.pdf
http://www.ams.org/journals/tran/1969-141-00/S0002-9947-1969-0243078-8/S0002-9947-1969-0243078-8.pdf
http://www.ams.org/journals/proc/1969-023-02/S0002-9939-1969-0248339-X/S0002-9939-1969-0248339-X.pdf

Almost all of these links are Kaczynski's "serious" mathematics (the stuff I just posted was his younger warm-up stuff, cutting his teeth proving that he can publish and be an active, working mathematician). They deal with boundary functions and related topics, objects of study in complex analysis (very roughly speaking: doing math and calculus with complex numbers, as opposed to real numbers). This stuff covers 1965-1969, and is directly related to Kaczynski's doctoral work, which was focused on same. Kaczynski draws on his own work from paper to paper, so he actually begins citing himself a handful of times, especially toward the end (1969).

The one oddball in the group is a little "easier" cute note on number theory that Kaczynski put out; that is the "zariski" link.

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So that makes 10/12, so far. I'll just wrap up with my transcription of the last two items, a similar "problem/solution" cycle over about a year, to the one just seen.

This problem is also fairly "cute". It can be understood by a general audience (depite some less-than-perfect phrasing), although the proofs are more involved.

It's also rather cute in the sense that Kaczynski poses a math problem involving "match sticks". The imagination goes to obvious places.

>>9236706

This. I'm not a neo-luddite but he was spot on wit the state of the world, just didn't have a good solution.

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Just ignore this, it's noise that I wanted to get for completeness.

>>9238205
>just didn't have a good solution.
who does

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Kaczynski's problem...

>>9238212
dude can you just do a zip file or something?

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And two solutions.

Kaczynski's mathematics can thus be summarized as follows: some early algebra, some light bits of number theory and geometry throughout, and the bulk, being the "serious", "hard" stuff, extends complex analysis somewhat.

>>9238210
The Foundation for Exploration by Sean Goonan

>>9238231
looks like an obscure ebook nobody's read

are you this Sean Goonan yourself?

>>9238250
You're right, but it shouldn't be obscure. Unbelievable the way the world works. The people that are right have to send out bombs to get their voice heard, and then nobody cares anyways. Pretty sad.

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>>9238228

No. [Insert cute blurb about zip files being a bridge-too-far, a tool of leftists] :^)

I'm almost done anyway.

I want to make two more points while on the topic: First, the link to Kaczynski's PhD thesis itself is a FRAGMENT. There are apparently university libraries out east that have hard copies, but I haven't been able to discover the whole thing online. I will therefore award One Full Internet to an anon who either sees and copies (photography?) Michigan's microfilm, or otherwise copies one of the other (apparently per worldcat) surviving texts and uploads it sometime.

If you live near any of THESE libraries (Ann Arbor, D.C. area), then I want you to go to one and look it up, copy it, and post it on the internet somewhere, preferably somewhere where I can access it:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/boundary-functions/oclc/34661830

Second point: Throughout the above papers, Kaczynski cites 30 distincts sources (several more than once), for a total of 41 citations (not counting whatever citations the dissertations has, which has to have lots of overlap). Kaczynski cites himself a few times, but no one else (so far as I know) ever cites his "serious" work, so it's arguably not impactful just by having no citations (that I know of).

Again, so far as I know, exactly one paper with an author OTHER than Kaczynski, actually cites any of Kaczynski's math. And it cites his little note about number theory: that paper is here:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0511366v2.pdf

>>9238170
There were other test subjects, but the public documents from the time, which his brother and his legal team researched, are heavily redacted. I don't think anybody has spoken out about them, but this was a period when the government was funding a ton of pscychological studies that would be considered unethical today.

>>9238301
No one cares about the math of Ted K, give it a rest. We care about the future of our industrial society and the writing surrounding it.

Both Ted Kaczynski and Adam Lanza desired a return to a primitive state of living "in the wild". Both also suffered from sensory disorders, in Ted's case he hated loud sounds (he tied ropes around trees in his area to injure motorcyclists, and hated the sound of smashing glass) and in Adam's case he had sensory processing disorder, and also hated sunlight.

>>9238345
He hated those sounds because of what the represented and because they detract from a peaceful state of being in wonder and contemplation and being in touch with nature, reality, and the universe. I hate loud disruptive industrial noises as well, doesn't mean I have a Jew diagnosed "sensory disorder".

>>9238354
But Adam was diagnosed with that by a doctor, he didn't only find traffic noise kind of annoying. Ted hated the sound of smashed glass, which is why his brother and others were so surprised to discover that he had broken his way into a house in the area via a window and used an axe to smash the interior because he didn't like the sound of the family's snowmobiles.

>>9238354
psychology exists almost entirely to pathologize any behaviour outside that of the optimal consumer-worker drone

>>9238363
You are trying to paint Kaczynski as some clueless autist who developed his worldview around his sensory disorder.

>>9236717
>Elliot Rodger's manifesto
>"BUAAAHH WHY WOMEN DON'T LIKE? ME BUAAAAAHHH"
Even my diary is better than that shit.

>>9236723
You get rid of all those useless proletariats and start a communist utopia composed exclusively of bourgeois and some prolets who know how to handle the robots (of course they will given the title of citizenship and treated as part of society too).
Marx was right all along, we just didn't wanted to see the consequences of his statements.

>>9238372
lol, hates loud noises, resentful towards the academy for sussing out his latent homosexualism

bombs airports (flyovers being the one industrial noise he can't escape) and universities

whom could follow the byzantine concavities of such soul

I also love that Penthouse offered to publish his manifesto but he felt it wasn't prestigious enough, so his compromise was he would send off one more bomb.

>>9238417
>I also love that Penthouse offered to publish his manifesto but he felt it wasn't prestigious enough
he wanted to convince people, of course he wouldn't let a porn magazine publish his manifesto

>>9238443
I'm not saying the guy wasn't smart and highly capable. I'm just saying the lynchpins of his behavior are as deep as a puddle.

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>>9236702
He was correct in his diagnosis of leftism

>>9238372
Anon, I have news for you...

>>9236702
did mena ever make a new account?

>>9238466
your attempts at psychoanalyzing him are pure speculation, and a very pharisaic form of dismissal

>>9238480
I forgot I was on redd(lit). No understanding of anything here. Did his take on leftists trigger you?Wake up.

>>9237581
he is talking in a genetic and biological context you doofus

>>9238516
>pharisaic
I would offer him as an appeasement to the romans in a heartbeat

>>9238570
that is clearly wrong, then. the most genetically diverse places on earth are in subsaharan africa, not exactly the most famous place for its advanced civilizations

>>9238544
You really took it badly.

I mean his rambling about the left was spot on on a lot of subjects, but it's curious that he never tried to change it by making an open critique of it and instead he went into the woods and sent bombs to a bunch of "strategic objectives". He clearly wasn't right about how to deal with what he thought it was the problem, but he had a clear understanding of it (which could easily be the motto of the left).
I think he couldn't come with a better answer because he was evidently so psychologically deranged that he ended up taking a pretty stupid decision. I'm not saying you shouldn't break some eggs, I just say the way he planned his actions didn't gave in return sort of successful results. Or perhaps they did. I mean we're talking about him until this day, right?

>>9238604
>his actions didn't gave any sort of successful results for his objectives
FTFM.

>>9238544
Wake up and do what exactly? Wig out and start bombing social institutions in the name of some sort of primitivism.

I hope you can see the irony of his attack on liberalism when his ideology, both in terms of what it labels social ills and the solution it proposes to them, have as much in common with alt liberalism as alt conservativism. From his methods of terror based activism to his desire to "fix" society and create a "better world" for the "future," he has more in line with social utopian eco-terrorists than populist isolationists.

The guy's political philosophy and reading of history are as trite as they come. He's basically a crypto-christian wrapped up in a heavy salvation mythos.

>>9236723
Marxist theory states that the value of commodities is determined by labor inputs under normal circumstances. If the labor involved in creating a product is (close to) zero then the price of that commodity will be almost zero. Production capacity would thus grow almost exponentially.

>>9238769
cont. It would thus follow that work hours would be significantly reduced, ss less would be necessary to maintain living standards. This essentially means post-scarcity would almost be reached.

>>9236723
This might be misguided, or ill-formed, but as far as I understand the automation of labor, carried out by the capitalist class, would, of course, lead to diminishing the availability of labor for the proletariat. The proles to begin with live in a state of surplus, a surplus population, which is maintained for the proliferation of the surplus value held by the capitalists. When those already superfluous individuals no longer have access to their only means of sustenance (minimum wage labor), mass poverty and, naturally, unemployment will rise gradually over time.

There are two potential paths I see as answers to the issue. Either:
1: There is a rise of socialist policies in government, essentially creating a universal (that is, only for those citizens living in a post-labor society) basic income, creating a new class of people who by right of their citizenship no longer need to "labor" in order to exist.

Or:
2: The capitalists continue to benefit from the automatization of labor until the wealth of the few and the poverty of the many erupt into revolution, more or less in the sense of Marx's "global communist revolution", but localized within the most developed countries.

I'm uncertain about either prediction, but the end should necessarily remain the same: People, the whole of a country's population, will for the first time in history be able to exist without labor. The consequences of a post-labor society are at the same time exciting and terrifying. At one end, maybe Marx was right; the alienation of man from the other will begin to dissipate, entering into an era marked by an increase of human potential with man having full access to the means and time to better express his innate creative nature. Civil society will flourish.
At the other end, humanity at large will become, as Locke and other economists have expressed in their myth of the primitive accumulation, the lazy and indignant from their emancipation from labor. The atomization of man will only increase without necessity driving man to create, to be social. Hedonism and egotism will take hold of us.

The process will be so gradual, however, that it probably won't happen any time within our lives. The ingenuity of capitalism to adapt to new socio-political conditions is something that Marx, I think, didn't fully comprehend.

>>9238824
>The process will be so gradual, however, that it probably won't happen any time within our lives.

Universal Basic Income is being tested in Canada and some European Countries. A lot of forward thinking technologists/economists think that the automation of cars will necessitate universal basic income. Not only do you eliminate an enormous amount of driving jobs (delivery drivers, postal workers, trash collectors, taxi drivers and most importantly truck drivers) but it will ripple through secondary industries like auto insurance, vehicle maintenance and repair and the number of cars being sold (especially if car sharing continues to become a thing).

>>9238876
Do you have any recommendations of essays or articles about Universal Basic Income? I really don't know that much about the concept as I should to be saying anything worthwhile about it.

>>9238898
most of the reporting I've heard on the topic has come from the BBC radio. You might just search "Universal Basic Income" and see what reports show up. What I've heard on their has been fairly balanced, talking to advocates and detractors.

Zoltan Istvan also talks about it in some of his Transhumanist stuff. But digging through that might be tedious if you're only interested in UBI.

>>9238051
I am an American. I am afraid that we will become a trifling backwater, or more likely a series of those, in my lifetime or soon after.

>>9238126
This experiment would drive me to kill those fucks desu. Psychology is a complete meme

>>9238477
kek, the left didn't changed a bit

>>9238931
I'll look into him regardless, thanks.

He was a hack. I'm sorry but he didn't get leftists. He only perceived the tip of the iceberg.

His concept of power process is shit-tier Nietzscheanism. His ideas about revolution are fucking laughable.

Basically he stole all of Ellul's ideas and made them more pleb and only has a following among entry-level luddite readers of 4chan.

>>9239139
Don't open your mail the next few weeks

>>9239149
The manifesto was one of the cringiest things I've ever read and just got worse as it went on.

Put in the work and read Gravity's Rainbow instead.

Pynchon and Kirkpatrick Sale were 100% cringing while reading Kaczynski.

>>9238824
>, lead to diminishing the availability of labor for the proletariat.
You obviously haven't read Marx

>>9239172
>put in the work
GR is easy reading pleb

>>9237711
>muh might makes right

>>9238051
You sound angry (t American) but you're not wrong, we're slipping into the isolated impotency of our pre-WWI days.

>>9236839
He got his full manifesto published in the New York Times and Washington Post. Hundreds of thousands of people have probably read it now, on top of the millions who skimmed over it at the time. That was the point of the attacks. It wasn't about the attacks themselves. The attacks were clearly useless and pointless. But they allowed him to reach an enormous audience he never would have had access to otherwise.

>>9238175
>1 rating and 1 review on goodreads
Get out of here, Goonan.

>>9238175
>>9240813
Yeah, I'm going to agree with the other poster. You are clearly promoting your own self published book.

That's fine, I don't think we should be shy about sharing our writing, but just come out and tell us about your book. Preferably in it's own thread.

>>9240761
And he doesn't really seem to have accomplished any more than Illich or Ellul. The best plan would probably have been to capitalize on his genius and become a celebrity meme-scientist. But then who could have predicted that that would eventually be a thing?

For anyone interested in (something of) a biography of Ted, this thread provides one:

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/104495239

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>>9236702
I approve of this thread.
I think the biggest problems that technology poses arise from the fact, that it is proprietary.
This also accounts for the fact, that it is only made possible by centralized organization and coercion. If people were free from want no one would seriously consider working in mining or oil drilling, which are both absolutely necessary to feed automation industry.
We also systematically overrate robots and AI. Robots are energy-wise absolutely inefficient. Humans can simply be fed a plant based died and are a lot more flexible. Additionally machines are not and cannot be conscious and ethical. See Chinese room or Lucas-Penrose.
In the end we as humanity are narrating a story about ourselves. How do we want to live? Do we want to work? Do we need to work in order to retain a feeling of usefulness and independence? 3 hours a day of manual, directly rewarding labor or creative work is beneficial to the well being. I think nearly everybody needs what Kaczynski calls the power process. But this does not totally rule out technology in its entirety. It just means it has to be locally controlled, highly customizable, FOSS and not based on hierarchy and coercion.
What we primarily have to get away from is the idea, that technology is going to solve any of our problems. We already could be in a post scarcity economy within a snap of a finger. We are facing problems of distribution, that arise from ideology and inter-relational problems, that cannot be solved by technology. First and foremost we should discard obviously destructive and unnecessary technologies like cars, airplanes, the internet™

>>9240761
And he was integrated into the spectacle...like a dog.

Kaczynski didn't fully understand what he was up against, nor did he fully understand what was/is going during leftist activism. His point about the power process is kind of dumb because really all you're left with in terms of hobbies is hunting rabbits.

>>9240813
>>9240864
It actually doesn't look too bad.

>>9236720
/pol/ here, how exactly is this supposed to be triggering? You've merely stated the obvious.
>>9237219
So you use /pol/ do you?

>>9242845
stfu goonan

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Ted Kaczynski is a Diogenes gone mad.

>>9237173
kantbot > mena > melch

>>9236717
>Reading Brevik or Rodgers

If Kaczynski wasn't so keen on bombing people he could have published a book that no one would have read...

Stupid question, but should l buy the Manifesto or pirate it? What would Ted think?

>>9246192
Stupid?
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt