Any tips on starting this Goliath?(Have already read one day

First you have to open the book Anon

It's really not that big of a book desu.

Sort yourself out first

>>9199629
Foreword by Applebaum, aka the New York Times Neocon...

This book really is some dumb shit completely supported to its success by the American state apparatus to create generations of 'Communism is a good idea but doesn't work in practice' or outright Randian teenagers and adults. If you really think Solzhenitsyn is even literature you're not welcome on this board.

>>9199920
t. commie triggered by facts

>>9199920
I hope you enjoy helicopter rides anon

>>9199926
>>9199928
I'll grenade your houses first

>>9199920

What's with this board and Marxist apologists

Have you ever been in a fight with your girlfriend or wife, and they're hormonal, and they are making absolutely zero sense? As in, they are so infuriatingly incomprehensible and contradictory that it just boggles the mind? Like how she says "I'm done talking" during an argument, and goes to sulk, then gets mad at you later because you didn't go and try to comfort her...after she said to NOT TALK TO HER?

That's what Solzhenitsyn's tone is like. It's as if he is reminiscing about a fight with a crazy woman for twenty years and is describing how insane it was. It a description of how he was dragged through the most incomprehensible and nonsensical slog of injustice in the history of mankind.

He's screaming from the bottom of his soul for two thousand pages.

>>9199940
It's because it triggers the weak.

>>9199920
I hope no one listens to this guy...

>>9199926
>unironically supporting neoconservatism
t. fascist

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>literally reading a 1000 page meme book just to spite people you disagree with

Contarianism was never meant to go this far

>>9199952
You're calling me weak when you've been sold a piece of political propaganda by some boring hack pseudoscience professor who's given himself over to making YouTube videos for the Sargon of Akkad fanbase, if you want to be shocked then go find some modern histories of the GULAG with less spin to it. The monumental suffering of people there is now turned into the battleground for mental teenagers to fight their imaginary battle of the ideologies, people's ruined lives used as political ammunition to score points for USA USA.

>>9199952

Do you mean "attracts"?

Bait or not, the damage control here is insane.

Anyways, book is great, Catch-22 in non-fiction form.

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>>9199993
>Catch-22 in non-fiction form.

>>9199980
Can you even read?

>The American Red scare moralists are out again in full force despite that the Soviet Union hasn't existed for a quarter of a century, before most people here were even born.

Is this something to do with that professor who dresses like it's still the cold war and paints college clubs as being communist infiltrators? If you fall for this then

>>>/v/

>>9199946
What an autistic post.

>>9200006
Marxists are on the prowl again.

It's a good thing to read up on them.

>>9200018
You're in the same paranoid conspiracist mindset as the young who join antifascist groups and see fascism everywhere.

This board has degenerated so much.

>>9200029
false equivalence

Marxism is the hip thing on College campuses. It is taught by professors and it is believed by students.

Meanwhile there are ~12 fascists currently in existence.

>>9200053
>Marxism is the hip thing on College campuses. It is taught by professors and it is believed by students.
Not really, no.

>>9200053
false equivalence

Fascism is the hip thing in workplace culture and in online white subcultures. It is taught by managers and it is believed by employees.

Meanwhile there are ~12 communists currently in existence.

>>9200064
you will never be ostracized for being a marxist on campus

>>9200082
What kind of stupid metric is that?

>>9200053
>he really thinks literature classes are creating a revolutionary vanguard

>can't tell the difference between actual communist terrorists and those pushing for a little more representation in movies and a little tolerance

This is what listening to nothing but 4chan and gamergate YouTubers does to you...

>>9199920
Solzhenitsyn would hate globalists like Anne Applebaum. He was blacklisted in the Western world when he went to Harvard and called liberalism out of its shit even harder than what he did to communism.

>>9200088
>>can't tell the difference between actual communist terrorists and those pushing for a little more representation in movies and a little tolerance
>it's okay because they're not terrorists! they're not even bombing anyone!

>>9200064
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/most-cited-authors-of-books-in-the-humanities-2007/405956.article

Most people in this list are either Marxists or sympathetic to it.

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>>9200103
that's not good enough of a comeback imo

the key is to start in the top left, and read the first word there, then move to the next word to the right.

If there are words below that, don't read those yet, keep going from left to right until there aren't and more words on the line, then move down a light, but start from the left again and move right.

>>9200082
Actually you will, Slavoj Žižek has been suppressed in academia even to the degree that people who included him as an employment reference have been turned down because of his reference. And he's been boycotted by everyone under the sun in academia after hosting Lenin conferences.

What is acceptable in academia is a kind of cultural critique which is essentially just the capitalist mindset of exchange value applied to art and history. Marxists often have to defend the virtues of western civilization and art from post-colonial and liberal critiques and we're all called fascist for it.

Lumping people into a box so you can caricature them and strawman some Epic Put downs against an imaginary target, isn't debate,if anything it's just extremism.

>>9200113
>Most people in this list are either Marxists or sympathetic to it.
How so?

>>9200119
Is that objectively true?

>>9200130
You're not funny.

>>9200128
They use Marxist terminology and are conscious heirs of a Marxist intellectual tradition. Even when they criticize communism, it's from a Marxist point of view.

>>9200138
Trying you get me caught in the 4chan spamfilter, huh?

>>9200113
Wtf am I reading, most of those people are not Marxists at all. There's only one Marxist there and that's Marx all the way down at the bottom of the list in obscurity!

Talk about finding a conspiracy. You really think people like Giddens Foucault or Bourdieu are Marxists? This is red scare on the level of accusing suffragettes as somehow being pinko plotters and armed terrorists behind the scenes.

>>9199629
Read One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich first, to introduce yourself to Solzhenitsyn.

>>9200148
Ever considered that that might be something to do with the fact that one of the founding fathers of sociology on the left and the right was Marx?

>>9200148
Which ones are you talking about?

>>9200167
Foucault and Bourdieu are definitely Marxists and it's laughable someone would pretend they aren't.

Do you think David Harvey isn't Marxist either?

Giddens is a sympathizer.

REEEEEE

STOP ARGUING WITH ME
MARXISTS EVERYWHERE WITH THEIR BOOK SMARTS

FUCKING KEK SJW FEMINAZI THOUGHT POLICE EVERYWHERE HERE SPREADING MISINFORMATION, SAVE YOURSELVES MY FELLOW YOUNG WHITE GAMER MEN

KEKS

>>9200188
>Foucault and Bourdieu are definitely Marxists
*worried laughter*

>>9200184
>Michel Foucault
>Pierre Bourdieu
>Jacques Derrida
>Jurgen Habermas
>Judith Butler
>Gilles Deeuze
>David Harvey
>Edward Said
>Roland Barthes
>Walter Benjamin
>Benedict Anderson
>Jacques Lacan

All Marxists

>Anthony Giddens
>Bruno Latour
>Noam Chomsky
>John Dewey
>Thomas Kuhn

All sympathizers

>>9200214
>Dead people are scary.

>>9200214
Hm. All the evidence thus far about those authors contradicts this brilliant revolutionary new thesis. Now then... Where are the proofs?

>>9200205
How are they not, seriously? Just because they were not orthodox? There has never been an Orthodox Marxist since Karl Kautsky died, that's not reason enough to not consider them Marxist.

>>9200227
I admit I went too far with Thomas Kuhn, just because Marxists are often fond of using him, doesn't mean he was a Marxist sympathizer.

>>9200130
Anon will know.

>>9200235
It's just plainly wrong Anon, all evidence shows otherwise.

>>9200240
t. Someone who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about

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>>9200201
>FUCKING KEK SJW FEMINAZI THOUGHT POLICE EVERYWHERE HERE SPREADING MISINFORMATION, SAVE YOURSELVES MY FELLOW YOUNG WHITE GAMER MEN
>when you unironically is trying to dispell the marxist bogeymen as a myth but at the same time uses divisive identity politics as your argument

>>9200262
Woah, you're a smart guy!!!

>>9200262
>baited into posting a idpol frog

>>9200227
The evil that men do lives after them.

>>9200242
>wrote with Marxist terminology
>shared Marx's revolutionary objectives
>took part in Marxist political movements

And most important, their works are used by Marxists.

>>9200272
We want names of people that are actually dangerous, anon.

>>9200275
Hmm didn't realise Foucauldians were actually secretly Marxists despite everything they themselves say and do.

You don't have proofs. You're so clueless you even listed Jacques Lacan as a Marxist, a bourgeois shrink who never was directly into politics and challenged the 68ers to prove they didn't just want another new and powerful master in revolting, now part of the Marxospiracy?

>>9200277
There were three on that list whose ideas are being used to destroy everything good in this world. Dangerous doesn't even begin to describe them.

>>9200325
Holy shit I'm dying lmfao

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>>9200325
This post is creeping me out! Please elaborate.

>>9200325
>destroy everything good in this world.
Please elaborate.

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>it's a "marxists want to overthrow western civilisation by nature of their beliefs, but if you highlight their own beliefs to them they gaslight you" episode

If you don't want people to think you want to destroy the West you should perhaps stop attacking everything the West stands for.

>>9200350
Their ideas work to subvert and destroy the norms that make existence even remotely tolerable, and it's all done through the propagation of strategic lies in a mad quest for power. Any reasonable person should see that Butler, Derrida, and Foucault make Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. look like kittens.

>>9200350
Marxists want to overthrow and destroy Western culture because:
a) they wish to protect the West
b) they wish to destroy the West

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>>9200368
>>9200375

>tfw I'm a Marxist but I also like Wagner and ancient Greek poetry and European culture and Christianity and consider Marxism and the workers 'movement one of the greatest results of European culture and inseparable from our history and values
>tfw philistines on the left and right can't understand my existence and put me in categories which I don't belong to
>even fellow Marxist philistines call me proto- and left-fascist
>Enlightened Marxist problems

>>9200429
Also

>tfw even Marx is at times too much of a vulgar Marxist for me

So is the book good or nah?

WTF is happening in this thread?

>>9200615
It's alright but it's used as a piece of political propaganda, revived for this use again and again by neocons and total nobodies like Peterson ad nauseam. Better and less sermonising, and far more revealingly shocking books have been written on the Gulag.

>>9200615
It's good.

Marxists don't like it because it's just one more evidence to what happens when you implement Marxism.

But you should definitely read it, whether or not you're a Marxist.

i listened to it on audio book while walking.

i notice that marxists all attack it strongly for portraying the utter waking nightmare that is communism.

>>9200653
Is there even a good Marxist today who still defends the Soviet Union?

Your reason is full of crap.

The actual reason 'Marxists' dislike it is because it instrumentalised people's suffering for use in the CIA's cultural warfare all over the world.

>>9200653
>>9200664
Brilliant example of ideological warfare being put to use and a forced consensus being naturalised.

>>9200637
>far more revealingly shocking books have been written on the Gulag.
care to name some?

>>9200666
>stop instrumentalizing the holocaust
>stop instrumentalizing the Rwandan genocide
>stop instrumentalizing the lack of humanity in all Marxist regimes
>stop taking lessons for history
it's a pretty shitty reason to hate a book desu

>The gulag, nationalist repression, and all manner of soviet inhumanities are unique to the soviet union and were not just a tradition inhereted from Tsarist Russia

>Nouveau mccarthyists

>>9200699
The book isn't the problem, what it's supposed to prove is.

The hard truth is that we still don't know why the Soviet Union turned out so horrible.

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>>9200375
>it's all done through the propagation of strategic lies in a mad quest for power

>>9200772
What are you arguing?
That the soviet inhumanities were unique or that they weren't?

The atrocities in the soviet union were similarly found in other socialist regimes. Social repression was not unique to the Soviets, rather, it was a symptom of its ideology. Thats the point of Sozhenitsn's book.

>>9200782
>The hard truth is that we still don't know why the Soviet Union turned out so horrible.

Russia has a historical precedent of always being horrible. Whenever they extend their influence to other countries it turns out horrible for those countries as well.

Russia is the common factor in most contemporary misery.

>>9200788
>What are you arguing?
>That the soviet inhumanities were unique or that they weren't?

That they weren't unique and they weren't unique to socialist regimes.

That should have been apparent from my comment.

>>9200788
>rather, it was a symptom of its ideology

TIL The Marx-Engels Werke literally just acquired a mind of its own and jumped out of the archive sometime in the 1930s and started sending people to forced labour camps.

Holy..... is this the power of the Red Pill??

The idea of egalitarianism and a materialist conception of history literally sent people to the camps? Christ. I guess we really SHOULD surrender to the US Empire... and I guess Capitalists really SHOULD keep all their money and crush environmental and trade unions, and privatise everything... Damn... Otherwise those ideas literally lead by inexorable necessity to the GULAG.

The Red Pill, one hell of a Truth Bomb.

>>9200819
>The idea of egalitarianism and a materialist conception of history literally sent people to the camps
Yes. If you use the concepts of oppressor and oppressed to describe real world events, you''re already more than capable of committing any and all types of political violence. To view the world through that lens makes you more of a ticking time bomb than a human being.

>>9200933
>dehumanizing your antagonist
classic

>>9200942
By subscribing to a oppressed-oppressor dialectic you've already done the same. To be labeled an oppressor is to be something worse than any demon found in the religious texts. Any and all violence against them becomes an act of the utmost righteousness, and as is implied, is always justified no matter how brutal it may be. The only difference is that yours is an act of aggression, and mine is self defense.

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>>9200962
>playing the victim card

>>9200996
I'm not playing any card. I am a victim of this ideology(which has fooled people into believing it is not one) that, through academia, has managed to pervade the entirety of our society.

>>9201009
Are you a student?

>>9201009
The way you speak is so grandiose. It's so funny that you diagnose other people as being self-righteous because they believe themselves to be oppressed and then you literally pull the same thing in far less justified circumstances: other people say things you don't like in academia.

Not just that, it's a stupid idea of how socialism developed to accuse those starving peasants and workers of being somehow evil and self-righteous in violence, when violence was the reality for them and they had to do what they could for their families and communities. Only a spoilt little vermin could diagnose those people as being immoral or evil in performing political violence.

>>9200637
>total nobodies like Peterson
Haha he's a nobody yet he lives in your head. Little bitch you are.

>>9199629
One doesn't

>>9199629
Tips? Just read it.

Libturds hate it because they still want to massacre and imprison Christians the same way the jewish USSR did in this book, and it exposes them.

>>9199629
"Beat non-ficiton book of the twentieth century." -- Time

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>>9200053
>Marxism is the hip thing on College campuses.
If only.
>It is taught by professors and it is believed by students.
If only.
>Meanwhile there are ~12 fascists currently in existence.
If only. ~12 too many.

>>9200819
The logical progression of any socialist society is to govern by force against dissenters. Unless you have a society of literal saints, its the only way to maintain power. This is why most people have a visceral disgust towards socialism and why it is morally wrong.

>>9201108
>The logical progression of any socialist society is to govern by force against dissenters.
Just like capitalism. But that's not something we like to talk about.

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>>9201082
>Haha he's a nobody yet he lives in your head. Little bitch you are.

>>9200172
OP said he'd already done that. (The other 3 days were for leap years.)

>>9199892

>approximately 2,000 pages of continual screaming in your face
>not that big of a book

Don't be edgy

>>9200011

>I disagree with this post therefore autism

Why are we setting the bar of discourse so low here anons?

>>9201214
If you don't see why that post is autistic then that's even stronger evidence that you're autistic.

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>>9201235

Oh look he did it again, the madman!

>>9201246
>Kpop gif

Autism combo (x3)!!!

>>9201249

I'm sensing you're vocabulary is limited.

Nice derail btw.

>>9201278
Fuck you

>>9201278
>you're
Autism combo (x4)!!!

>>9201281

>implying doing the apostrophe wasn't to goad you into doing the preordained "your you're" meme reply

Nicely done anon.

>>9201294
>Haha I trol u
Autism combo (x5)!!!

>>9201299

Are you hard yet? I know I am.

>>9199629

just remember that it is both "experiment[al]" and "literary" before it is an "investigation."

>>9200214

>Foucault

openly anti-marxist, anti-communist

>bourdieu

marxist in theory, not in practice. a sociologist whose work assumes marx's theory of the mode of production as a background.

>derrida

critical of marxism but sympathetic to it as an emancipatory project

>habermas

openly liberal, tries to adapt frankfurt critical theory for a defense of liberal modernity. openly anti-marxist

>butler

feminist first, marxist second if at all

>deleuze

radicalizes marx to the point of being unrecognizable in anti-oedipus; never wrote his big bad book on marx, but declared himself a marxist in non-scholarly contexts. accordingly dismissed by american scholars who prefer their palatable foucault

>harvey

marxist

>said

openly anti-marx, but arguably marxist in practice

>barthes

i dont know this one way or the other desu

>benjamin

marxist, but more of a trotskyist in his theory of praxis desu. probably not a communist.

>anderson

idk

>lacan

a psychoanalyst for pete's sake. the church of secular bourgoeis ideology. a hegelian, sure. dialectical, sure. but marxist only ever in the hands of others. openly critical of marxisms of may 68, and those were already anti-communist articulations. definitely not a marxist

>giddens

idk

>latour

i think anti-marxist, anti-communist, only recently starts talking about capitalism probably to boost citations. an interesting hack

>chomsky

anarchist.

>dewey

american socialist, anti-ussr. liberal in the essentials, though

>kuhn

idk


you're an idiot

bump for interest

epic thread

>>9199993
>non-fiction

>>9199978
>consider giving it a read
>realize it's longer than fucking IJ

>>9199973
>if you're against neomarxism, your're a neocon
commit suicide

>>9199979
>strawman

>>9204725
>neomarxism

Meaningless term

>>9201033
But socialism was not developed by starving peasants and workers. It was developed by intellectuals, many of noble ancestry, like Lenin.

>>9204755
you're right, the proper term is postmodernism aka numarxism

Everyone I don't like is a Marxist.

>>9200006
I agree with you on the anti-American sentiment but your Marxist apologist rhetoric and misunderstanding of the dangers of Neomarxism is profoundly affecting important opinions.

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>>9204755
then why are you using neocon if these terms are "meaningless"

of course you're an apologist suffering from cognitive dissonance with a contrarian driven superiority complex, that's why

>>9204781
Everyone I don't like is a Neocon.

>>9204798
>everyone on /lit/ that disagrees with me is the same person

I never used the term neocon, but its certainly more legitimate than Neo-Marxist since Conservative is a far braoder and flexible term while Marxism is a very specific school of thought

>>9204755
Neomarxism is a term, you dunce. There have been plenty of self proclaimed Neomarxists through out history. You're just digging yourself in whore (see >>9204798)

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>>9200819
The idea that a political movement is the representative in the present of an utopian future society always risk sending people to the camps.

We live in a world where SJWs have assumed some of the worst traits of Soviet communism concerning thought dissent. Reading old dissident authors like Solzhenitsyn, Havel, Milosz etc still holds keys to understand modern politics.

>>9204814
>There have been plenty of self proclaimed Neomarxists through out history

Cite one
Its just a buzzword like "Cultural Marxism" used for nothing but to conflate all Liberals with Communism to freighten the naive.

>>9204813
Good personal opinion with parallel logic.

>>9204825
I don't need to cite anything for you. Your logic is just made up in your favor. Emotional sentiment is deciding your arguments.

>>9204825
There is nothing wrong about conflating liberals with Marxists. They are both revolutionary ideologies, share a lot of assumptions and have fought together in the past, not only against the Nazis.

>>9204832
>I don't need to cite anything for you.

If you had any ounce of intellectual credibility you would.
You said there were plenty of prominent self proclaimed neo-marxists. You're talking horseshit and I bet you can't find a single prominent thinker self proclaiming themselves as that.

>>9204846
>there's nothing wrong with conflating apples and oranges because they're both round and grow on trees

>>9204851
>If you had any ounce of intellectual credibility you would.
I don't care what you think of me, so your blackmail for proof doesn't work. Fact is Neomarxism is a legitimized school of thought, simply use your preferred search engine to find out instead of blocking your ears until proven wrong.

>>9204859
There are more links between Hillary Clinton and Stalin than between George W. Bush and Hitler, but no one thought twice about accusing the U.S. Republican Party of being Nazis.

>>9204881
>but no one thought twice

No one? No one at all?
We just got through 8 years of Obama being called a Communist Muslim, this game swings both ways and you're being obnoxiously disingenuous

>>9204872
Dude all you have to do is copy and paste one famous guy saying "I'm a neo-marxist", I'd do it myself for you if it actually existed.

>>9199629
>reading the book of literally ethnic nationalist hyperbolizing GULAG system to the point it became obvious he is not serious

Seriously, if you want to get real historical perspective of GULAG, you better read recent (after 1991) history books on subject.

>>9199973
>Implying Fascism is worse than a masochistic, abstract ideology that will never stand the test of time

>>9201400
lmao