/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

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came to say hi to shrek

Posted too late in last thread

Can anyone recommend a book where someone just shows up out of nowhere and starts completely taking over the world singlehandedly by force? Like if Alexander or Napoleon had Supermans powers

>>9168117
sorry back to /sci fi / https://vine.co/v/eqYKadKauW1/embed/simple

>>9168125
Shade's Children is one I can think of. It's YA tho.

>>9168135
Wow really wish I had discovered this when I was young enough to enjoy YA, seems interesting

>>9168154
The premise is interesting but the book itself isn't as good as it lets on to be. I for one never finished it.

>>9168160
That's a shame

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>It's a Naomi chapter

Sometimes it's better not to do character development because the only thing you're developing your character into is a sleeping pill.

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>it's a Renna chapter

Sometimes it's better not to do character development because the only thing you're developing your character into is a sleeping pill.

>>9168125
The Mule's story in Second Foundation.

Asimov is amazing and his writing is really easy to read and I enjoyed this one.

>>9168613
>really easy to read
So it's for dunces?

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>>9168635
Should be in Foundation and Empire actually not the Second Foundation.

>So it's for dunces?
Yes it's very easy to read. A twelve year old could probably read and enjoy books written by Asimov although it's definitely not YA.

A dunce could read the most complicated book in the world just for plot. There's no real 'barriers' in literature other than interest, unless of course you're ESL or your vocabulary is greatly reduced or perhaps if you are blind and/or deaf.

A more discerning/advanced reader could pick up on themes, symbolism and foreshadowing.

I don't believe that books have an entry level tier at all because everyone can get something out of it and if you miss getting something out of it you are unlikely to find out that you actually are missing something (so for example if you and I were perceiving the same shade of colour it is likely that our experiences would be different in terms of intensity or tone but you would not notice that my experience is different from yours because everything is subjective.)

Anyway tldr: no matter what reading level you are at, it's enjoyable because Asimov is a master who doesn't need 100 levels of purple prose as a crutch to write a story, he can make do with very few adjectives or descriptions and still manage to make it work perfectly.

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>>9168675
>tfw to intillegent for Amisov

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>>9168712
I'm certain that Amisov would be proud that you are to intillegent.

Has anyone read Cat's Cradle? Is it good?

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>>9168722
Whom couldn't even comrehend to.

>>9168737
Yeah, definitely.

>>9168106
>it's a catfag fishing for more cat-humanoid books general
Don't you have enough furry books?

>>9168712
>earth is flat
Nice meme

>>9168549
>implying daddy taking down the door after big sister left wasn't the best arc in this series

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???

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>>9168944
... if your dick is gone... then can I use the space where it once occupied? Seeing as you're a guy, you should have no problem with a bro doing stuff with you.
I'm a virgin so you know I won't be doing anything weird with you.

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I read Dr Bloodmoney By PKD from 1965. It's among the best of his novels that I have read (six now) and I can see why Library Of America included it in their collection.

It's a hopeful vision of a post-WW3 society emerging on the West Coast, with successful barter economies and life going on much as before. Doctors, teachers, councilors, tobacconists, and their wives live among mutants, some of them with magic powers.

The way PKD weaves all these interesting people in and out of the story, while giving us an insight into their thoughts, can be very entertaining. There are too many to mention, but I'll point out the motorised psycho-telekinetic flipper-man who is the town fixer, the little girl with a talking twin in her abdomen (who can talk to the dead), talking dog, intelligent rats, and the astronaut who is stuck in orbit and broadcasting radio to the world below.

It's one of his longer novels but it reads buoyantly throughout, with many quirky moments, surprises, and a satisfying ending. Overall I give Dr Bloodmoney five out of five dinosaurs, and I recommend reaching for it after reading UBIK and DADOES.

Any fantasy with an anti-hero girl protag?

>>9169281
Yes

>>9169281
This was asked and answered last thread with Empress

Any fantasy with an anti-girl protag?

>>9168125
Alexander didn't come out of nowhere, his dad had been building treaties and growing his army for decades to prepare the conquest into Persia, Alexander was born into it (not that he was a bad commander).
Napoleon did come from relatively low nobility, he really rode the waves of revolution.

As for your question try Broken Empire trilogy

>>9169334
Glokta in Last Argument of Kings is a misogynist.

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>when a fantasy books spends more time explaining the magic system than the tax system

>>9169249
Philip K Dick isn't dinosaur core. His works transcends the new/old dichotomy. It's as enjoyable to readers of this generation as it was to readers of old.

You don't understand what a dinosaur really is do you?

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>>9169320
Empress is not anti hero. Anti hero is bad guys doing something good. It benefits them yes, but it also benefits others.

Empress is little girl villain.

>>9169355
yet he got Major West's succulent THICC sister for his own to clean his shit.

>>9169396
Relax. I realise it isn't Leiber, Vance, Tolkein, Wolfe, and whoever else that one fellow has a bugbear about. It's a little mischief.

And you are right, Dr Bloodmoney reads like a piece of urban fantasy.

>Cosmerefag is gone
>Meme archivist is gone
>Mod kun is gone
>Original dinosaur is gone
Who else has left our presence?

>>9169422
>Wolfe
He also isn't dinosaur core.
The others vary.

>>9169402
has /sffg/ ever recommended something that wasn't shit?

>>9169502
At least you can get some original recommendations here, everywhere else you just get GRRM, Rothfuss and Sanderson.

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>>9168911
>it's a catfag fishing for more cat-humanoid books general
It's more a, was reminded of the youtube link in OP and wanted to trick anons into listening to it for the lulz general :3

>Don't you have enough furry books?
No. I'm currently on the lookout for pic related.

Aaaay whens the fuckin TUC EXCERPT coming out

>>9169573
Not true. On r/fantasy they will also recommend you terrible kindle novels.

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>>9169408
>crippled cuck is still the best off at the end of the trilogy

>>9169402
That's now what an anti-hero is

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Are there any books that deal with fantasy world tax policy more than ASoIaF?

>>9169573
>going to class early. Read prince of thorns while waiting
>dude in class asks me what am i reading
>"Some dark fantasy i picked up"
>"Have you read stormlight archive?"
>Never heard of him.
>You should check it out.
In his defense, I'm liking Way of kings. I probably have shit taste for liking it over prince of thorns but I can live with that.

>>9168737
Yes. Probably Vonnegut's best.

>>9170136
Nah. Way of Kings is better in basically every measurable than Prince of Thorns. Sanderson has his flaws, but his writing style is at the very least developed, his magic systems are well thought out, and the first two books have been meticulously plotted.

>>9169676
>He didn't get an ARC

Enjoy waiting till summer. Lmaoing @ ur life

>>9170191
I'm reading the third Mistborn novel at the moment and one of the characters just mentioned a "hat trick" similarly as it's used in football.
Muh immershun was instantly destroyed.

>>9170214

Fuck off Bakkerfans

>>9170296
Can you paste the excerpt? I remmeber Sanderson doing stupid shit and have people talk in his medieval fantasy bullcrap like facebook fags talk in the current year or something. Sometimes even same phrases or jokes but I can't pinpoint it.

I think Sanderson has REALY shit dialogue. I like his stuff, but objectively speaking, his dialogue writing is just shit.

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>>9170336
Huge spoilers for the Mistborn series by Sanderson.

>>9170346
I finished everything Sanderson up to date, even shit like Reckoners.

>>9170351
Well it was a blanket warning for anyone who might look at the image.

>>9170346
Oi, if you think that's bad, wait for the Shallan chapters in Words of Radiance. Holy fuck were they cringy as fuck.

>>9170357
More out of place phrases?

>>9170359
Haha, oh god if only, your in for a treat.

>>9170346
Sumatra dev pls go

>>9169364
>When it spends a ungodly amount of time explaining the rules of its magic system
>Book 2 breaks previously established rules left and right
>Book 3 is introducing competing magic system based off something exotic like Chi/Ki/Chakra

>>9170384
Are you implying no one other than the dev would use those hideous default colors?

>>9170191
I agree too. Anon's pic alluded that prince of thorns was a common recommendation in /lit/, but not exactly a good one.
For one, reading a book because some random anon in 4chan recommended is pretty retarded. Then again, I chose to read prince of thorns because I liked the cover.
In fact, I have read warded man and innocent mage for the same exact reason. I know that those reasons are beyond retardation but I like my mc's with hooded robes.
I might not reply to the convo btw, since i am at page 450 of Way of Kings. I want no spoilerino.

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>>9169364
>when a writer spend more time doing who the fuck knows than working on his books

Fantasy in Space>SciFi

>>9170858
Do you have any good examples to share with us?
I think only Book of the New Sun (book 5) is relevant from what I've read. Besides the minuscule reference in Sixth of Dusk.

>>9170938
>Do you have any good examples to share with us?
No, I'm just shitposting desu.

Yo I know there's a lot of dessert/arabian fantasy of late but is there any set in locations similar to irl africa?

I think Jemisin's Killing Moon is supposed to be egypt but that's all I got

>>9170136
Prince of Thorns is a guilty pleasure at best.

>>9170977
Poseidons Children trilogy. First book especially has many scenes there. It's sci-fi though. And has a different take on Africa than what you probably asked for.

>>9170956
How unfortunate.

>>9168125
Dune
Bakker

>>9170977
The Twelve Kings of Sharakhai and its sequel. Beaulieu's prose is less concise than Jemisin's however.

Do we have a discord?

>>9171114
https://discord.gg/EtPnv
Posted last thread anon

anyone read any Warhammer fantasy stuff?
I got pretty deep into the 40k books and decided to take a crack at fantasy with 'Death & Dishonour' and it was a bit shite

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>>9171164
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/2qbp22o8ch8qc/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battles

https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!ZZwyAACQ

>>9171223
would you recommend anything in particular though?

>>9168160
It explained too much too fast, the twist wasn't supported enough, the atmosphere in the first half was completely shattered. It really is a shame.

>>9170938
Christopher Stasheff, Witches of Karres, there was actually a lot of 70s-80s fantasy on that premise.

>>9170938
Diana Wynne Jones wrote a novel where the witches of England build a spaceship to send hotties to seduce a space station full of monks.

>>9171254
Fuck i'm either dumb or tired and i should go to sleep. I misread your post and though you were asking for anything releated to Warhammer fantasy.
I didn't read much beside two Gotrek and Felix books (both were fine at best) I just saved those links from one of total war threads in case I would want to read something. I can't recommend nothing unfortunately.

/sffg/ I'm on the verge of quitting this project due to sheer frustration and I want to make sure it sounds publishable enough that this will all be worth it

It's a fairy tale along the lines of Howl's Moving Castle and Pan's Labyrinth about a fortune teller's daughter who wants to be an astronomer, but when an attack on her home leaves her mother dead and herself hiding in a carnival run by a showy magician she realizes that she had better learn how to keep an eye of fate because fate isn't going to keep an eye on her

>>9171437
Sounds terrible and you also don't sound like you have the writing prowess to make it work since you came to 4chan to reaffirm yourself.

>>9171121
This one's expired; can I get an updated link?

>>9171469
https://discord.gg/Xq6sa7c

>>9171437
Really depends who your target audience is. For YA, it sounds very publishable.

>>9171475
Thanks.

>>9171475
Holy shit this is as bad as I expected a /sffg/ discord to be

>>9171481
my target audience is people who watch ghibli movies and are even slightly interested in science

>>9171505
Change your protag to a male and it sounds publishable.

>>9171520
It's a fairy tale. the unless they're a rouge, the protag is female by default

>>9171504
If we're lucky it will siphon off some insufferable faggets.

>>9171504
What is a discord exactly? Voice chat like on Xbox Live or whatever?

>>9171562
It's a chatroom

There is zero fucking reason to make a discord when you are already on a discussion board except to circlejerk

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In what order do you read ASIMOV books? Which book do you begin with?

>>9171571
I dunno, I'd be more open to discussing stuff I'm writing in a chatroom than on a board. If you do it on a board you kind of derail the place.

>>9168106
>see this thread
>chanur
>cj cherryh edition

I never thought /lit/ would make me so diamonds

>>9171733
We try. Have you listened to the link in OP before?

>post-apocalyptic book
>it's another mad max/the road ripoff in north america/australia

Why the fuck can't anybody write anything original? Where's the stuff about adventurers picking through the ruins of Wizard War Three? Or Captain James T. de Kerk of the science ship Biashara on it's five year mission to explore the ruins of the northern hemisphere?

I need the book series equivalent of Battlestar Galactica or the Wing Commander game series, by which I mean lots of people living on a giant-ass space battleship, with a lot of internal political intrigue along with external threats, and lots of tension.

Bonus points if there are fighter pilots among the main cast of characters.

Even more bonus points for a tomboyish or even butch female major character who is either straight or bi.

>>9171835
Negatory, but I've read some of her books and really enjoyed them. 10/10 would have hot alien sex.

Haven't read any of her fantasy works yet, are they worth it?

>>9171867
Try the actual Wing Commander books?

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>>9171867
As it's topical to the thread, pic related might give you a taste of what you want. The bulk of the politics is on a station, but there is a military carrier group with a good bit.

>>9171898
Will do, thanks. Do you know if they're any good?
>>9171905
Cool. Thank you.

Are there any fantasy books that focus on the 'Dark Lord' big bad and not the heroes fighting to stop him?

>>9171716
Start with Nightfall or I, Robot, or even Buy Jupiter. Don't try his novels until you're sure you like his shorts (Pebble in the Sky is a nice short read when you do), don't try his second phase novels unless you fall madly in love.

>>9168372
Alex's chapters weren't great either, which was a shame, as I'd previously enjoyed that character. Amos and Holden's stories were pretty good. All-in-all the whole book felt like a weird 'filler' episode.

>>9171858
There's a novella I'm writing where explorers cross a desert and find a city nerve-gassed by a tribe of former food humans, with survivors taking refuge in ancient monster-infested industrial ruins.

>>9169600
That's a nice pussy desu

>>9169600
>tfw you want to read this because you love Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, but don't want people to see you reading a book with that cover

Why modern fantasy books are so long in general? They could chop like 300 pages from them and it will get so much better. I think that with 240 pages it's enough for the development of a good book.

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>>9171892
>Negatory
A most amusing Chanur filk song.
>10/10 would have hot alien sex.
You've read Hestia then?
>Haven't read any of her fantasy works yet, are they worth it?
I love her Fortress series. A construct protagonist with a few months life experience gets thrust into court intrigue.
The Rusalka series is pretty good dark fantasy with a slavic flavor.
Merovingen Nights is a fun multi-author collab with a half sunken Venice type setting.
>>9171933
Have another.

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>>9171911
:3

>>9171945
That emoticon was designed for that book.

>>9171936
Modern fantasy is written for people who want to spend massive amounts of time in fantasy worlds and who are uncomfortable with changing brands. Authors like Sanderson who walk the balance of giving them just as many new things as they want are rewarded with intense loyalty.

You are right, i kindly see the same with the people who love, for example Stephen King book's. Specifically the ones where he shows all aspects of the protagonist life.
I don't say it's bad to do that but there is been an abuse recently. In my perspective it's a waste of time the inmersive style of the modern fantasy, they could achieve a more powerful novel that leaves hungry for more books, rather than exhaustion. I know many people enjoy the modern fantasy but a little variety it wil do some good for the genre.
By the way, sorry for my rusty english.

>>9171938
Nah, but I'll have to now. Thanks

I'm usually not a huge fan of political intrigue, but Foreigner and Cuckoo's Egg got me good. I appreciate her writing and look forward to her fantasy works now

>>9169347
I know that I kinda explained poorly. I just meant someone with their desire/ambition, not their circumstances

>>9171905
The best part of that series is the filk that it spawned.

>>9171867
I didn't finish it because the audiobook was awful but, based on its first half, you might like Mote in God's Eye.

>>9172266
Note: no fighter pilots

any good sff booktubers?

>>9172294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGBjPAffR40

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opinions on wheel of time series?

>>9172355
*tugs braid angrily*

>>9172365
*spanks you*

>>9172365
yes...?

>>9172375
*smooths skirt*

>>9172355

Great for the first several books but then Jordan or his publisher realized what 955 describes:

>>9171955
>Modern fantasy is written for people who want to spend massive amounts of time in fantasy worlds and who are uncomfortable with changing brands. Authors like Sanderson who walk the balance of giving them just as many new things as they want are rewarded with intense loyalty.

After that, it's endless filler until Jordan died and then Sanderson milked it for awhile and made his bones off of the corpse.

Either you're in that market segment or not. The only real argument within the WoT series is at what point or book does it become filler.

>>9172385
I'm currently into book 4 so, I guess I haven't reached that part yet...

>>9169249
I also think that Bloodmoney is one of PKD's strongest of the ten or so novels of his I've read. I appreciated your description.

>>9172355
I really want to love it, but its just too bloated.

The Sitter
I've been here for maybe a week. Hard to tell as I've felt no sunlight. Growing up I loved to feel the Sun shining down on me. Here it's dark and I can't move. I feel smooth plastic against me, the air is thin and still. I sit wondering why I'm here.
I’m mourning the loss of my family's males. They were taken away as infants, never given a chance to grow and be alive in the world. Us females had to be strong, have faith that we were still alive for a reason.
Outsiders would speculate on theories; the Big Spark, the Last Sacrafice, the Great-Sucking-Vortex-of-Nirvana, etc. Were these old myths the the reason I am here now? I've always felt a burning in my heart that I had a purpose, I just needed to find it.
I'm hungry and thirsty, and the cold is creeping up on me like a wolf. I feel like I am dying, or am i already dead? Now I sit here and wait, and think.
Growing up, I kind of liked our guardians. They fed us and cared for us when we fell sick or infected. There were others who said we were being used, we were their prisoners, or slaves, or something like that.
I think the guardians thought we chosen ones were somehow stronger as virgins.
Warm light startles me and I am picked up and carried away.
Someone removes me from my plastic tomb and starts ripping me apart. How am I keeping this inner monologue going, I feel like I am in a million pieces, being rearranged, put into a new order. Is this my purpose, my destiny? Suddenly I am spinning, tumbling upwards and feel a tightness closing in on me. There is darkness again.
A sudden soaring spark strikes me and I feel more heat than ever felt before, like a thousand Suns. I am annihilated by the heat, but I am traveling. My body is flowing, no longer solid. Am I a ghost?
My intuition screams that I am moving towards my fate, being breathed inwards. Suddenly I feel I am in Her, I am a part of Her now, I am in Her veins.
(What do you think reader?)

>>9172626
Good start. Unlike people who have the tendency to head straight for the purple prose and description I feel that you are a little too beige. Don't be afraid of using bigger words or a little more description.

>Growing up, I kind of liked our guardians
Remove the colloquialisms.

Otherwise I think it's good although your voice is a bit passive at times which I've noticed with a lot of people - the protagonist always tells things that happen to them but don't do anything themselves.

>>9172355
generic, unchallenging, but i guess some people like that.

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>>9171915
I've read the End of Eternity and I thought it was terrific.
Should I go for the Foundation next?

>>9173101
Not them.

The order I read in:
Foundation → Foundation and Empire → Second Foundation → Prelude to the Foundation → The Caves of Steel → The Naked Sun → The Robots of Dawn → Robots and Empire → Forward the Foundation. (Curently up to Foundation's Edge)

The order I read I wished I had read them in.
(I, Robot) → The Caves of Steel → The Naked Sun → (Mirror Image (short story)) → The Robots of Dawn → Robots and Empire → (The Currents of Space, The Stars, Like Dust, Pebble in the Sky) → Prelude to the Foundation → Forward the Foundation → Foundation → Foundation and Empire → Second Foundation → Foundation's Edge → Foundation and Earth

The () from what I understand denote books that are not necessary for understanding.

You can read in the order that I did but the instant you hit Prelude, Forward, Foundation's Edge, Foundation and Earth you need the stuff from the Robot Series to understand it. I kicked myself for not reading the Robot series first.

Initially Foundation was seperate from Robots but the novels I just listed as needing Robots are actually crossover books, if you don't read Robots first it's like reading a crossover fanfiction where you don't know what series the other half is from and consequently you can't understand about 15% of the plot twists (and Asimov absolutely loves to floor his readers with twists - not a pun - and I'll say that my experience was pretty compromised by not reading the Robots series first.)

The only reason I didn't read the Robots series first was I didn't realise that they were all linked. I also heard from other people on this thread that the other Foundation books weren't good. Well now I know that the other Foundation books are all fucking brilliant and are very difficult to put down (although the original Foundation trilogy is godly - essentially a plot twist every chapter somehow - so I suppose they are a bit better than the later ones.)

tl;dr I would have definitely read the Robots series first if I had known that Asimov wasn't overrated and genuinely good, but I found Foundation to be significantly better written than Robots.

>>9173097
"Generic western European fantasy" is the white people of literature.

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What was the meaning of Typhon fondling his erection when he's up inside his statue's head trying to make Severian swear the oath?

Was he preparing to rape Severian after mind enslaving him?
That's how I took it

>>9173861
I thought it was just an idle description.
Who doesn't fondle their cock all the time and pop full erections/halfers from the fondling occasionally?

>>9173896
Yes, but only when I'm alone and sure nobody can see me

Was it meant to showcase his disregard of Severian and other humans, that he was fondling his cock as if nobody was there because Severian was nobody to him?

He says something about how he controls all the voluntary actions of the body already and will soon gain control over the involuntary ones as well, but playing with your dick is more of a voluntary thing imo

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>>9172626
I think this stops now. I already saw newfags coming in lit and thinking this is the writing general.
We actually read instead of memeing here. You wannabe-authorfags will chase away the actual readers and leave memers.

>>9173861
The cockplay is a ham-fisted metaphor for his impending emasculation of Severian.

>>9170392
I use them. Am I doing it wrong? I didn't even know you could change them. I've probably read several thousand pages like this.

>>9173914
Emasculating him through rape, first of the mind and then physical?

>>9173918
Severian has no fear of bodily horrors. It's impossible to emasculate him in a physical sense. It's directly tied to the swearing of the oath.

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"Love you Renna Tanner"
"Love you Arlen Bales"

>>9173917
They're fine.
I sometimes change them to darker ones if I read long stretches at a time since it feels less straining on the eyes then.

What does this 'dinosaur' meme I see some of you referring to mean?

>>9173922
You enjoyed DADDY though right?
Daddy removes your door and he's looking to give you a chore.

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>>9173940
Just what it means.
If you can puzzle it out from this picture then you belong amongst us. It means you are able to see subtlety and analogies.

If not... gtfo. We aren't spoonfeeding anyone here. When you read a book you form your own opinions then come here to argue them.

>>9173955
Daddys got a knife
you aren't getting a wife

>>9173970
He just wanted some cunny. Daddy had no right to do that. The slit came onto him. He was even worried about daddy and she said it was okay.

>>9173962
looks like a pretty stupid meme. Nobody's writing anything worth reading at the moment. Stories of Your Life was shit.

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>>9173983
Looks like we have a budding dino here guys.

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I really dislike how much Sanderson uses "plus" in his dialogue and even in his descriptive text.

>>9173962
>>9173988
>>9173983

It's a stupid meme started by an idiot. Nobody uses that shitposting meme except that circlejerk.

>>9174030
t. rex

>>9173962
That pic is well harsh on Canticle For Leibowitz though. It doesn't read like a dry and dusty tome, even with all the latin. It's often funny, and entertaining.

>>9174128
Why should it be one sided? They read modern books called it shit, so I listed the old books I read that were shit.
I don't even get mad when they shit on post 1990 books, but they sure get Jimmy twisted when I call their books shit (not even memeing).

They let their nostalgia run them. I'm sure they are the same people that like Eragon and Terry Brooks.

You cucks should be shipped off to /tg/ or something.

>>9174261
The writerfags? Yes. They shitting up our general.

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>>9174261
>I only read sophisticated novels like Infinite Jest and Also Sprach Zarathustra meant for refined gentlemen such as myself, fantasy novels are for football players

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>>9174261
>i myself who haven't read a single book for the past 12 months will tell a bunch of "cucks" to go to another board because they actually read
>h-he actually said it

>>9168712
god, these pictures are fucking gross.

>>9168944
>not listening to the superior "missing penis" art
All of you are despicable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4
you're welcome.

>>9170346
You mean this isn't furry fanfiction?

>>9173962
I tried reading elric of melnibone, but I can't get over on how stupid as fuck melnibone is. I mean, com'on. It's obviously some backwards reference to bone white skin. Fuck OOOOOFF!

I mean, the name isn't half as clever as he thought he was being, not making a political commentary.

>>9174261
>>9174275
The rest of /lit/ is fucking awful

At least people here largely read the books they're talking about

>>9174425
That picture says the books are shit. What are you on?

Friendly reminder that there is a sffg discord!

https://discord.gg/aUZZT

>>9174559
And its fucking awful. It alternates between /soc/ circlejerking and reddit tier analysis by some fat guy.

>>9174559
has there ever been a good discord?

How does sffg feel about these copycat GRRM authors who put emphasis over edgy material, does it mirror the 70s and 80s craze of Tolkien copycats, will any of them be memorable?

>>9174691
Yes

>>9174559
>come to 4chan to discuss books
>some sweaty neckbeard wants me to be /soc/ with him
I'm here to read books, get suggestions, then shitpost about books I read. And not entirely in that order.

>>9174559
Is that ass guy still in there? He had some great posts but I can't see him online anymorr

>>9174691
No, they're all rubbish. I can tell just by looking at the covers.

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>>9174777
Never judge a book by it's cover.

>>9172626
>Growing up, I kind of liked
Only americans talk like this.

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Anyone reading pic related?

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I've read five of the stories in Vance's first Dying Earth book. After a slow start, I'm impressed. He has a good eye for a visually arresting images and spectacles the wizard imprisoned in a small box with a chasing dragon, the human/demon orgy culminating in the summoning of an ancient goddess, the awoken ruler's wrath on his ignorant city and each story is dense with points of interest.

The prevailing mood of ever-present danger, beautiful decay, and mystery makes for a very pleasant read indeed.

Started reading Moorcok's Corum, good starting place for his multiverse?

Also does the poor, bastard Corum ever catch a break?

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Fuck.
I'm reading the third mistborn novel and all Sanderson writes is plus plus plus plus and plus.
Why couldn't he have written "in addition" for example, even once?
reee

>>9175051
no

>>9174559
Is this the return of the IRC boogeyman?

>>9175051
Hey Logan. How many you sold so far?
Did that anon that promised to read get back to you?

>>9175893
I am actually that anon.

I have the PDF, never actually read it.

But I have an ereader now, and some time when I go to work.

So maybe I'll read it.

What are you guys reading?

Also I'm running low on degenerate works, suggestions please.

>>9176361
Fighting my way through the demon cycle series.

What does /sffg/ think of the old "I am your father" twist?

So, who else is excited by the fact Philip Pullman is working on a new trilogy centred around dust? Same universe as His Dark Materials and will even include some familiar characters; I'm well hyped for it

>>9171535
Must by why the more obnoxious /sffg/ "personalities" are gone from these threads. If discord keeps them from posting here then I say keep it up.

>>9176457
I started reading like two months ago and just completely gave up on the last book. I could not care less

>>9176378
Prefer "I am your son" or "I am your mother"

>>9176476
Oh, couldn't get in to it huh?

>>9176378
It appears to be more pulpy than the old black obelisk of ancients, but is in fact used less often in literature than the other, so in the end it is the less pulpy of the two.

>>9176457
Meh, satanist propaganda ain't for me. He is crafty little bugger though, so I'm excited what he'll stir up with the next one.

>>9176492
I loved the first book, was indifferent to the second and gave up on the third some point around the pachyderm motorcycles

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Is this any good?

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Is there any fantasy set in a world similar to 17th or 18th century Europe?

>>9176503
>>9176481
What if the character is really genre-savvy and figures out before the big reveal that the villain is their father but then it turns out the villain never put two and two together

>>9175602
because he's a hack

His Majesty's Dragon, I think it's called. Havent read it myself but it's set during the Napoleonic Wars, think someone on here said "It's like Aubrey & Maturin with Dragons"

I hope it's good, but reading the blurb it sounds pretty YA

>>9176601
meant for
>>9176581

>>9175602
>expecting a machine to write great art
Seriously though, Sanderson is trash and I don't know why anyone puts up with him.

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>high and righteous cunts don't want to give me my doctorate
>use my philosophy and write one of the best selling genre fiction post 2000
>thousands of laymen ingest and regurgitate my philosophical teachings
>doctorate board gives me a call
>they want to chat
>block them
>t-that would teach them

>>9176525
You missed the part where there was this crappy battle with the forces of Heaven and Will accidentally kills God. By which I mean you didn't miss anything.

>>9176460
>the more obnoxious /sffg/ "personalities" are gone from these threads.
>anti-writingfag still throwing around his wordart memes and accusations

>>9176581
Powder Mage.

>>9176481
>fuck ripe peach multiple times over a few months
>fucking peach one day
>just as I'm about to climax
>anon I'm your mother
>bust biggest nut I ever bust..
>turn up next day for seconds

>>9176669
>I must shit up a general with my shit attempts at writing
>they are wrong for not liking my shit
Neck yourself fagget. No one wants to read your shit writing here. Go beta readers somewhere else.

>>9176674
Awww yeah I can get behind this.

Just started ADB's Emperor of Mankind, he's one of like 3 authors that can actually write. Feel bad saying that.

>>9176685
I don't even post about writing, it just gets so annoying to have to scroll through screens of you sperging about it instead of the one or two replies they usually get.

What are some good but short fantasy books? Trying to get back into reading but have found that I am not a heavy reader.

>>9176581
I imagine the powder mage series is what you're looking for. I haven't read it so I can't vouch.

The alchemy wars trilogy kind of leans on that, though the time period is kind of confusing due to the presence of plastic, airships and sapient yet highly religious clockwork robots

>>9176692
Chamiel

>>9176685
Not him, but I was the writefag and I've decided to stop because I realized I was being and asshole.You may now soothe your agitated chesticles

>>9176581
The Shadow Campaigns series by Django Wexler is basically the Napoleonic Wars in a fantasy setting with limited fantastic elements. The first book is almost entirely military where the latter ones have more politics.

The Powder Mage series by Brian McClellan is pretty good. It's very much in the Brandon Saunderson mold (IIRC he had writing classes Saunderson was teaching) but IMO is more readable. The third book kinda shits the bed though.

The World of Prime series by M.C. Planck is basically a isekai series (no don't stop reading) where instead of being some nerd who gets trapped in a fantasy world slash MMO, the protagonist is over-the-hill engineer who just wants to go home to his wife. It's decent enough.

Other stuff I know of:
City of Stairs by Robert Jackson Benett, haven't read much of it yet but tech seems early industrial.

Cold Iron by Stina Leicht, haven't started it yet but it bills itself as "flintlock epic fantasy"

Guns of the Dawn by Adrian Tchaikovsky, haven't started it yet but it bills itself as a "action-packed pseudo-Napoleonic historical fantasy adventure", and is standalone too so that's good.

Instrumentalities of the Night, more early gunpowder pike-and-shot period than Napoleonic.

Also I'd strongly suggest just reading Sharpe, Aubrey & Maturin and Lord Rammage stuff if you haven't already. They're all pretty good. Hornblower is a bit more YA in tone.

>>9176692
Shorter fantasy novellas/novels I liked: The Dying Earth by Vance, Nightwings by Silverberg.

I'd like to know more myself, particularly novella length fantasy stories I can read in a weekend. I don't always want to read something as big as Tigana or BOTNS.

The novella form seems to be more identified with SF. I note mags like Galaxy had a novella slot each issue, and one popular SF format was the anthology of 2/3 novellas on a theme.

>>9176740
What is BOTNS?

Also this may sound incredibly newfaggy but
>The novella form seems to be more identified with SF. I note mags like Galaxy had a novella slot each issue, and one popular SF format was the anthology of 2/3 novellas on a theme.

doesn't make any sense to me

>>9176776
Excuse me, I was wool-gathering in an indulgent way. My idea was that novellas are more common in SF, that is to say speculative fiction/sci-fi, than in fantasy.

BOTNS is Gene Wolfe's Book Of The New Sun, which is emphatically not a novella but a large and forbidding work.

Doesn't matter if you're a newfag, welcome to the fold, ignore the shitposters and follow your interests.

>>9176740
If you liked The Dying Earth you might want to check out Vance's other novellas and one-offs. The Dragon Masters, The Last Castle, The Moon Moth, Maske: Thaery, and the Alastor books (they're collected like a trilogy, but they're really just three standalones set in the same galaxy).

I'd also recommend checking out Theodore Sturgeon's short stories. Lots of great stuff there that isn't really typical SF&F

>>9176361
Nine Princes in Amber
The Farthest Shore
Mistress of Mistresses

>>9176361
Literally nothing. I don't have time to read anymore which is fine since I've officially run out of reading materials

Female warriors ruin books

>>9168372
This is the book that made me put this series on the shelf for next few years...

>>9177095
Faggots ruin life.

Please recommend me a series that fits the following criteria:

>science fiction
>more than one main character
>get to see the same characters being flawed and human and vulnerable, and also doing badass shit
>leans toward character-driven

>>9177110
Oh! Bonus points for having 2-3 books out with at least 2-3 more planned.

>>9177103
Bit homophobic

>>9177110
windup girl fits pretty nicely, though it doesn't get bonus points.

Sorry, I'd give a better rec if I could, but I'm a fantasy person

How is The Fionavar Tapestry?

>>9173190
You can read the robots / empire books first, but I think reading the foundation prequels before the series itself is a mistake. I would definitely exhaust Old Asimov before going on to New Asimov

>>9177244
it's OK.

It was the first thing GGK got published, and it shows - it's not as polished and the prose isn't quite there yet.

That said, it's still an entertaining read. Just don't expect the same quality as his other works.

>>9176581
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell

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>>9176652
I thought that since the Mistborn ones are his earlier novels I'd plow through and the prose would get better with each novel because I think the plot is decent and the world believable but I guess not.

>>9170331
Okay can someone please explain, is bakker just a meme on here or not?

I dl the prince of nothing series after seeing a bunch of anons mentioning it but so far it's not something I'm really into.

>>9170296
I learned of Brandon Sanderson first through the stormlight archive.

I haven't read mistborn, but the dialogue is a lot better in his newer work.

Also, is mistborn series worth reading?

>>9170346
Man. This is worse than the dresden files.

>>9170357
>>9170359
Shallan scenes are annoying as fuck. Wish more time would have been placed on Jasnah.

>>9172355
Liked the first few books overall, the female character romance arcs especially with rand and his three soon to be wives was extremely grating annoying.

*tugs braid* and the other one were irritating as well.

As many anons have pointed out, solid points mostly but very bloated and drawn out.

>>9177110
It's not exactly science fiction tbqh, but mazalan.

Especially when it gets to karsa orlong

>>9177321
On one hand Old Asimov is GOAT but on the other hand Old Asimov is painfully short.

>>9177110
The Expanse series, starting with Leviathan Wakes

>>9176691
More will come don't you understand? Last thread we already had some fag saying "he didn't know we post our writing here, he will start coming here regularly". How long you think it will be till we are a fucking fantasy critique general, instead of a fantasy discussion general if we let them set roots?

>>9177080
So... what are you doing here?
Are you that autistic anon that can only read about specific stuff and nothing else?

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>>9177121
I'm not scared of faggots. I actually want to get into a fistfight with one.

>>9177110
This >>9178010
It ticks all of your boxes, even if it isn't that good.

>>9177110
Neal Asher Agent Cormac series.

>>9178433
If you're a female warrior I'd only be afraid of you ruining this page of my life.

Just finished reading Ubik. I think I might actually be going insane. Do all PKD books make you have an existential crisis?

>>9178407
How about we let them get banned if that happens, or split off into a fantasy critique general, instead of making fools of ourselves posting that stupid meme every time?

>>9168675
>A twelve year old could probably read and enjoy books written by Asimov
I read all of Asimov's books by the time I was 12, so I guess this is correct.

>>9178827
Kek. You should try Valis.

>>9168675
Asimov is shit.

>>9178835
Don't think the mods would ban that.
Although fan fiction writing is bannable... I know because a shitpost I made a few months ago that may or may not have been worded like a story was banned for fanfic

>>9178853
Oh lord, that looks trippy.
>Exegesis of Phillip K Dick
Wait, is this literally PKD's "my diary desu" response?

>>9178890
Yeah. His novels got increasingly autobiographical after the whole "pink light" incident, so the line was pretty blurry to begin with.

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Any fantasy with a similar setting or involving people similar to Scots Highlanders?

Except for the Red Knight that was shite.

>>9173912

I support this position. The /tg/ board or a separate thread on /lit/ are better suited for SF/F writing advice. I would rather avoid more Stevens shilling their ebooks and shooping the copypasta images. Ostracism seems warranted.

>>9177602
>Also, is mistborn series worth reading?

It's fairly original for what is essentially a PG-13 movie series in book form. Saunderson's writing in Elantris and the original three is kinda wooden though, haven't read any of his other stuff.

Finally reading Ender's Game and loving it so far. When does the series stop being worth reading?

I know the second book is a for sure read.

>>9179442
I only read Ender's Game and stopped there.
Too many people telling me it became shit after that.

>>9177602
>is bakker just a meme on here or not?
He is a meme, but people read him and discuss him. He is the only current sff writer that indulges in our degeneracy (GURM hasn't written a book in decades).

>Also, is mistborn series worth reading?
Read Emperor's Soul if you just want some short works. Mistborn is an acquired taste.

>>9173922
>"Love you Renna Tanner"
>"Love you Arlen Bales"
What the fuck happened with the warded man? First we have this interesting dangerous world. 2/3 MCs that are suffering becuase of the world and the people that live in it.
Then we have some signs of autism. "Woops, i forgot i haven't done anything to the girl in 2 thirds of the story. Well, time for rape."
Then we try to justify villians by making evil-er villians doing evil things to them just cause.
Gay rape, harem rape into harem sex, daddy rape, pity sex, "hey kid, wanna ss? maybe later", mind rape but kind of wanted in the first place so thats ok, etc. Meanwhile Arlen should get some too... Is it MC girl? Is it her former crush? Ha! he actually loves a rape victim, you didn't see this coming did you?
Not gonna after 2 but i hope One arm comes back and kills everyone.

>>9179566
Everyone just becomes more autistic in the 3rd book so you aren't missing much.

>>9179294
I just finished reading the first trilogy.
A little below average I'd say, 5/11

>>9179636
Whats the score of way of kings in comparison?

>>9179646
I haven't read any other works by Sanderson.
5/11 is compared to all fantasy and other shit I've read.
The plotting was decent, the characters passable and the prose absolutely disgusting so a 5/11 seems a little generous but fair in my opinion.

>>9179636
>>9179649
>11
Do you perhaps have aspergers?

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>>9179654
Yes I do.
Luckily I'm very high functioning and it has little impact on my social life.
Thereofre I take every opportunity to sperg out as much as possible on /sffg/ because you take any posting of anime images and odd rating scores so seriously.

>>9179649
I see. I am liking way of kings so I wanted some kind of perspective before rushing to his older work.
>>9179654
Probably waiting for someone to ask why 11? so he can nostalgia critic his response.

>>9179678
>Probably waiting for someone to ask why 11? so he can nostalgia critic his response.

No, I was simply thinking of putting it as 4/10 but I don't like numbers divisible by 2 so I made it 5/11, effectively the same as they both signify "below average".

>>9179667
>saved for my own trolling purposes

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>>9179691
Who are you quoting?

>>9179566
Maybe it's because you're an anime fag see >>9173922

>>9179707
>anime fag
*anime pro

>>9179566
>"hey kid, wanna ss? maybe later"
Can't remember this....
Paper girl's whoring mother?

>>9179566
This series should really be a case study for how to ruin an interesting premise.

Every book is more disappointing than the last.

How do you avoid spoilers when googling, lads?
I just found out that in Malazan Book of the Fallen Hood dies even though I'm only at the third book. I want to fucking die.

>>9179849
Don't google about it while reading the book?

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Any fantasy featuring bourgeois revolutions?

>>9179697
i saved that anime pic. i'm sure it will enrage people.

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>>9179921
juts rember, anime haters are in the wrong

>>9175244
Vance is great, and abhorrently underrated imo. His prose is like an impressionist painting, and how ideas are unique.

>>9179849
Avoid googling, cause as big a spoiler as that is, it's hardly the only one you could find by googling some character names. Granted you're only on book 3, so a lot of the shit you'll read about makes no sense since you still haven't been introduced to the third major set piece or the characters tied to it.

>>9175244
If you liked the first book, you're going to love Cugel.

>>9176361
Dust of Dreams, book 9 of the Malazan Book of the Fallen. This book is shaping up to be really grim so far, not even Tehol and Bugg can seem to make it fun

>>9179938
>Vance is great, and abhorrently underrated imo.
For someone who's been so influential and whose writing is fantastic and an absolute joy to read, I find it shocking how few people even know he exists, other than as That Guy That Vancian Spellcasting Is Named After.

>>9179193
Wee Free Men.

>>9179442
It gets steadily weirder and there's never any action again. Speaker is more of a Le Guin-style anthropological mystery, but it continues some of the themes of Ender's Game; Xenocide and Children of the Mind continue from Speaker and follow the rest of Ender's life and the insane, insane things that happen. It makes sense if you don't speed read but for a lot of people it came out of nowhere.

>>9179870
Of or against? Powder Mage is against.

>>9179938
>>9179951

He seemed to avoid hard science, preferring to write adventure novels which probably kept him out of the limelight in the Golden Age. Contemporary times being as they are, the lack of GRI and his use of unusual words relegates him to a niche market. Luckily his writing is our cup of tea.

I replaced the stock dictionary in my Kobo with the Chambers 1908; it's really helped looking up the particular definition that he uses. I reckon that dictionary is closer to being what he used. It's also nice because it shows the roots.

>>9179941
>>9179853
M8s, it's a series of ten books a thousand pages each. How am I supposed not to google when I have doubts about the barghast or some trivial shit that I missed two books before?

>>9180022
Everything is explained in time. It's your own fault if you want explanations outside of what Erickson is giving you.

>>9180017
>lack of GRI
He has GRI, it's just expressed in a roundabout way. Rape and cucking is presented with a bunch of prose.

>>9180043
Is it explained how the gods (Hood, Fener, etc) ascended? Or what K'rul or the other elder gods are, from a metaphysical point of view? These things bug me out. Just a yes or no will suffice.

>>9179707
I... what?

>>9179723
Rojer bet he could seduce Lesha's mother. It actually worked.

>>9180070
The pig? I can't recall. I think there was something for old bones though. Other elders? Yes, but what part of the meta you looking for specifically I don't know.
What book are you on?

>>9180062

I can't think of much. Javanne in "T'sais" qualifies as cuckoldry. Ylin-Ylan in "Tschai" is threatened with rape at least once; same for Wayness in the Cadwal series. I suppose Glawen is raped at Pogan's Point. Hmm. Otherwise, I'm drawing a blank. What can you add?

>>9180089
>I... what?
I thought you were the fag that was anime posting all those short pieces about the warded man.

>>9180096
Start of the fourth, just reached the part where Kendra reaches Raraku. So far there has been basically no meta building - I don't know anything about what the gods really are, only the ascendants and I guess shadowthrone, but I'm really interested in the enstablished ones from a in-world point of view.

>>9180120
I don't know why I typed Kendra, I meant Karsa. All these names confuse me.

>>9180089
>Rojer bet he could seduce Lesha's mother. It actually worked.

But she is a whore that wishes to stay young and have all the rods that come her way stand at attention for her.
tbqh I would ravage Lesha's mother, I'm a kissless virgin and something about older women makes me hard. Especially when they burning for a porking.

>>9180120
>Start of the fourth,
Jesus fuck. Most shit is explained in book 9/10. It is really your own fault that you were spoiled. The beauty of Erickson is that he drops you in the middle of everything and you have to piece together information to get the entire picture. It is all explained, but not in an info dump.
People that have Sanderson as their fav author would have problems with Malazan. You actually have to think to understand this series.

Keep at it though anon. It's rewarding.

>>9180143
So far I'm really loving it. By the way, the spoiler I mentioned earlier about hood dying, what book does that happen in?

Somebody post the malazan spurdo for anon >>9180120

>>9180143
>You actually have to think to understand this series.
That shouldn't be a problem. After all, isn't /lit/ a board full of nothing but self-reported geniuses with 170IQs, tested by only the most sensitive and objective internet click-bait tests?

>>9180149
READ AND FIND OUT.
You sound like someone who will skip books till you reach that part.
And he doesn't die There I spoiled it more for you.

>>9180152
you're tuning out of the protocol dangerously...

>>9180152
>That shouldn't be a problem
You would be surprised. We get a lot of lazy ass readers here that don't want to think. They cry and rant about books having shit prose etc. Because it's too dense for them.

>>9180155
GOD DAMNIT. And no, I would've not skipped them. I am really loving this series, I adore everything about it, even the constant shrugging. I fear finishing it because I know nothing will ever fill the void it'll leave.

>>9180151
Please do.

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>>9180151
>>9180120

Not sure if I'd rather just read a quick spoilers overview of what happens in the rest of the demon cycle or get book 4.

I dropped The Warded Man a handful of chapters in. It was just too terribly written, I just stopped reading after the pedo incest stuff started. Does it get worse? Should I keep reading? I've heard it contains NTR as well.

This is gonna be a hard request. So I have this scenario, the first idea of the main characters for a story. It's been in my mind for a week and I wanted to start writing my second short story. Nevermind that i can't write for shit, have a ton of spelling errors and my prose is as bad as the shittiest fan fictioner you know.
My story would star a young boy and a mother-like figure that travel togheter encountering hardships, social stigmas and unforgiving landscapes. The woman has a sense of obligation on traveling with the boy because reasons. The boy might have a coming to age story. Or just a good morality turning gray kind of story. I'm still juggling those ideas.
I just have the very first scene and is super pretentious, but I would like to know any book set in medieval (or such) that does this so I can get references. Fantasy preferebly, either dark or high.

>>9180201
I actually really enjoyed the start of the warded man. The rest of the series has been dogshit.

>>9180179
You have seven thousand more pages to go. You ain't finishing any time soon. It took me years to finish Malazan. I started and stopped, started and stopped. book 4/5 was a little dull so I put it on like a 4 year wait. Then I finished all remaining 6 within two years.

If there is a void, try Glen Cook's Black Company after that.

>>9180215
>You have seven thousand more pages to go. You ain't finishing any time soon. It took me years to finish Malazan. I started and stopped, started and stopped. book 4/5 was a little dull so I put it on like a 4 year wait. Then I finished all remaining 6 within two years.
You are like a little baby. I read the first three books in a month.

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>>9180200
You already invested. Just read it. It will help fuel your rage towards Brett for the future.

Book 5 is out in august apparently. I don't have any hopes of him pulling everything together. Authors like Lk Hamilton has thought me not to put my full trust in authors making things better.

>>9180120
Metaphysics is very sparse til you pass the midway marker because there's so many different locations and people to establish. But there are hints and bits dropped here and there if you're paying attention. Part of the reason is that mortals really don't have a good grasp on what the fuck is going on on a cosmic scale and mortals make up the bulk of the series perspectives. As the series goes though you pick up more Ascendant and even Elder God perspectives and while they're usually cagey about what they know they sometimes let really important information slip through.

>>9173348
Oh god that's way too accurate.
>it's generally mediocre but the fans hold it up as a great example of literature and get enraged when you criticize it
>the loudest defenders are generally the worst examples

>>9180236
>til you pass the midway marker
That's all I wanted to know, thanks. I'll keep on reading.

>>9180197
Fantastic.

>>9180227
I don't want to, Renna is too cancerous.

>>9180200
Might as well. I'll do the same once the 5th is released so I have cero curiousity on this series ever again.

>>9180201
It really suck for me to say it because I really loved the world presented in the first book. But it gets bad. Like, stupid bad. What happened to the sisters it's fine if you assume those are throwaway characters. In a way, they are. NTR is present in warded man. Desert spear is when it matter though, there is where generally everyone drops the serie.
I say finish the first book if you enjoy the corelings scenario. It's good until the last third. Once you get there, dropping it is fine.

>>9180201
>pedo incest stuff started
If you are talking about daddy dearest she was an adult by then....

Best "OH SHIT" moment in Malazan?

For me it was when third book, Gruntle and his army turned into a single, giant tiger

>>9180219
I space my books out. I try not to read too much of one thing right after the other. I slip in other works and then go back. The books last longer than way, and I'm also able to digest everything easier.

>>9180250
Maybe she will get raped again?
I want her powerless and used.

>>9180313
The blurb makes it sound like she's going to save the world. Dropped.

>>9180303
>Best "FEELS" moment in Malazan?
When the lad who was molested by his mommy cured everyone at the cost of his life.
I didn't ask for this.

>>9180323
It's also not far, she took multiple cocks, even though she was "promised" to Arlon, but she don't want Arlon to get some cunny that isn't from her. Never stick your dick in crazy. and Renna is full batshit insane crazy. I think the last dicking from daddy broke her.

>>9180332
What about Shield Anvil bro dying for the T'lan Imass, whom nobody would feel for?
Even better, what about the T'lan Ay howling in sorrow when Silverfox denied them release? That moment really made me tear up.

>>9180303
I only read the first four books but my favorite character and surrounding circumstances, by far, was Itkovian. His altruism was personally relatable.

>>9180382
I loved Itkovian, and I loved his Mortal Sword companion's sacrifice.

Whiskeyjack's death also really hit me.
>"when there's time"
>Korlat's tears after she finally realizes she lost him forever

Good <400 page books?

Preferably fantasy, but SF works too if it isn't too old. Already know about the classics by Dick, Zelazny etc.

>>9180391
Yeah, it's like they both knew the death was coming, and they were both prepared for it. Like your first spoiler, they knew it would enable Itkovian to do what needed to be done (right? been a while) and they were all the more energized in doing so.

>>9179973
Seconded. In fact all of the Tiffany Aching Discworld books.

>>9180398
Emperor's Soul by Sanderson.

>>9180212
Try The Ugly Little Boy, I think it was Asimov.

>>9180561
I've read that. It was beyond terrible...

>>9180338
>Renna is full batshit insane crazy.
Literally every single female character in this series is batshit insane.

I reread dresden recently and I realized something was never explained.

When dresden first uses little chicago bob's shocked it doesn't kill him. At the end of the book, bob revealed he was shocked because he knew it was completely broken the night before and dresden had no memory of fixing it in the time since

Was there an explanation for this, or can we just assume lash made him do it in his sleep.

>>9180332
Are you talking about Beak? The guy with the candles? Yeah his death was pretty sad.

For me nothing is more agonizing than Trull Sengar's death and how utterly pointless it was. The sheer cruelty of him dying before he could know he had a son or reuniting with Onrack.

>>9180391
>I loved his Mortal Sword companion's sacrifice.
What got me was when Hood personally came to collect him even after he spurned his offer.

Also Kallor

>>9180332
Oh man, you mean Beak. I felt so sad yet comforted reading his pov. The fact that hood himself went to go grab him felt very touching.

Other than that, when Mael/Bugg fucked shit up.

Or when Hood saved some random soldier's life, the few times he allowed himself to be kind or someshit like that.

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>>9180685
Man. Mazalan series will always forever be my favorite.

So many great moments.

>>9178847
When I was twelve we basically didn't have internet connection quality required to pirate books so at that age I read whatever I could get my hands on which included Orwell, Dickens, Austen, Bronte, Harper Lee, Wilde and Tolkien to the more typical books like Pullman and CS Lewis.

Sad!

Coldfire trilogy, Waylander, Tigana or Kushiel's dart?

Can't decide what to start next.

>>9180756
Tigana and Coldfire are by far the best two have not read the others.

NEW THREAD

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>>9180622
>lash
NEW DRESDEN FILES WHEN????

Any /pol/ tier fantasy novels?