Is love stronger than death?

>>9164343
They're the same. Love's precisely what keeps Death alive, as it were; and Death what makes Love so vitally interesting, for awhile... So you see? Love really does conquer All!

>>9164343
No. Entropy conquers even the universe.

>>9164458
Are you suggesting that the sci-bot terminology conquers the lit, which is to say, the human? Personally, I think the neo-atheism obsession with G was a dodge not to have to consider the non-entity that moves Science itself: Mammon. That we can gather no evidence of Mammon's actual existence doesn't negate the fact that the Mamster bitch-lords it ueber das Sci-Sci forever and aye! So there!

lol how the fuck could love be stronger than death

>>9164343

Uh, no.

Nothing is stronger than death, your very existence hinges upon it. You can live without love, but you can't live without death - because you are here after all so it can kill you.

>>9164494
Because witout love, death dies. Death NEEDS Love like a heroin addict needs, well, heroin..

>>9164501
But youre the product of love, and Death, well, he's licking his chops..

>>9164505
Not love, death needs time.

>>9164507

How naive to think that love is needed in order to conceive a child.

>>9164505
Man, I believe in love too, but you're just being stupid. Maybe you're playing devil's advocate, but you're doing it very poorly.
Reproduction isn't love.

>>9164512
How brain-dead to have such a narrow understanding of what constitutes love

>>9164516
That was a comment founded from your presentation. Your depiction of the relationship between love and death leads to no other response.
That anon isn't saying that's all that constitutes love.

>>9164505

No it doesn't.

>>9164513
Youre right, in a way. But if it's not then it's far more incomprehensible than Death, which, by comparison, is pretty straightforward- and that's power. Love is Athens to Death's Sparta. --wd like to stay for this one but have to go to work.

>>9164522
I wasn't the anon you're responding to.

My suggestion that your view of love is narrow is based on the fact that you seem to believe that not all creative acts are based in love.

>>9164529
>all creative acts are based in love
false premise.

It is, for them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKzbJL4R1g

>>9164533
That's quite an assertion anon, care to back it up?

It's not even a premise you fucking mong

>>9164543
It's difficult to identify such stupidity. Do you have a name for it?

>>9164547
Did your mother even care enough to give you a name?

>>9164543
You back up your stupid generalization first, dumb fuck.

>>9164458
I thought so until a few days ago. I was stupid and arrogant. To think that after my death the Universe was so unimportant existence was simply going to stop. But it's not. It's only through the eyes of God that we understand His Creation and His Love.

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>>9164522
>>9164533
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>>9164551
>retards on /lit/ literally asking to be spoonfed the last 5000 years of Monotheistic (including Zoroastrian) theology
why bother

>>9164563
No one really fell for your bait, lass.

>>9164559
>To think that after my death the Universe was so unimportant existence was simply going to stop
Entropy will literally eat away the Universe itself.

>>9164567
>eat
...

>>9164565
Not bait but I guess that materialistic and hedonistic drivel is the only thing you accept.

>lool, you die and everything else dies with you, your the god of your own universe and with time we will even conquer death, except for that damn entropy :(

>>9164567
There he is.

>>9164574
You are so detached mate. The only thing I said is that you're a fucking idiot for saying everything created is created out of love.

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>>9164574

We won't conquer death. Ever.

There will come a day in the distant future that carbon based life will be an impossibility because there will literally unmetaphorically be no carbon left in the entire universe to become it. So is the same with all other things that 'matter.'

>>9164492
/thread

>>9164587
It's so comforting to you, right? To substitute his Love and His Creation with not-creation and eternal Death. You were successfully tempted by Satan.

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>>9164458
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>>9164587

>>9164606

I will leave you with this, it is the last response you will get from me.

>Effectively, all baryonic matter will have been changed into photons and leptons. Some models predict the formation of stable positronium atoms with a greater diameter than the observable universe's current diameter in 1085 years, and that these will in turn decay to gamma radiation in 10141 years.[4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

>>9164618

Why don't you tip the chair you should be standing on with a noose securely fit around your neck you fucking idiot?

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Love is stronger than pride.

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>>9164624
kil urself fedoralord

>>9164626

>Haha, who needs that trenchcoat fedora science shit
>Here have this bible

>>9164626
Science hurts retard's brains?

>>9164620
You seriously think I don't know about entropy? You're so consumed by your own arrogance you don't understand that knowing God and His Love doesn't mean I don't get to read about science.

I'm studying biology. I already know about the Heat Death of the Universe concept. Nothing but one of the way Satan tempts current society.

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>>9164632
I have a degree in chemical engineering and your autistic wikipedia science is giving me cancer
kill urself underage fedoralord

>>9164636
Sure you have. Post a screenshot of the degree then. I'll wait, dumbshit.

>>9164631
>let me keep talking about science as the ultimate answer in a philosophy thread

>>9164639

>my philosophy trumps the natural laws of the universe if I believe in it hard enough

>>9164606
You can't make that judgement. The point is take up your cross and follow. What that means is suffer (allow) evil while at the same concerning yourself EXCLUSIVELY with your own behaviour -- and the discovery that the better you actually become, the more you will suffer. >'The last temptation is the greatest treason\to do the right thing for the wrong reason'
That's Eliot, whom I loathe, but he's dead on here-- because pride only really comes with your own self-betterment! The religion, you'll note, is impossible, but like a horsefly banging its head over and over again on a screen door on a hot summer day, you have to keep at it. Otherwise, his burden is light. Good luck.

>>9164644
It feels amazing, doesn't it? The powertrip you get when you deny God's Creation and make science your only truth. I already said and I will repeat it; you were successfully tempted by Satan. And you've made your own Hell.

>>9164656

Let me put it this way:

If there's a God who created me then why would he not want me to accept death as a condition of life or that all matter in the Universe will one day return back to its source. Why would he, without telling us, expect us to defy his will in some scheme to "live forever." He's fucking God.

If he really truly thought you were so fucking interesting that he watched you jerk off making check marks on his naughty-nice list then why would he resolve to kill you in the first place?

>>9164656
>you've made your own Hell
>not understanding 'the happiness of the bad man'
>thinking that God gives you happiness in this world
>being this immature
>being this ignorant about his own religion

Christians are retards 99% of the time.

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>>9164638
Will this introductory textbook on thermodynamics suffice?

I even opened it to the entropy section just for you.

>>9164669
>no degree verification
into the trash
i have more than 3 shelve meters on thermodynamics and I don't even study it

>>9164666
exactly.
buddhism is so superior to christianity that its not even funny. christian psychology is so childish, so egocentric...
they believe they will survive death, and they're not kidding... they will survive it, and they will remember everything they've been in their life, and they will be happy forever.
it makes me want to vomit.
but hey, some idiots are able to feel good thinking like that. I guess the harsh truth is too much for them.

>>9164668
Nice assumptions you make about the theology of every Christian on existence. Keep assuming; first you assume I know nothing about science, then you assume every Catholic/Christian has the same theology.

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>>9164672
thats alot of shelf meters

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>>9164343
The only reason why love is valuable is because it does not last forever. It will inevitably be taken away from you by death.

It does not last forever, perhaps that is why we are so desperate to pursue love?
They are just as strong as each other

>>9164666
Nice Satan trips and nice temptation. But it won't work. I'm not the one to say which ways should God work into; but you must be shortsighted to deny that the idea of Heat Death is only used as a tool to deny the Creation of God.

I love death.

>>9164683

I'm not sure I understand your logic. Death in itself is the tool used by the church to put you in line, that when you die you are rewarded with an invitation to God's interstellar pool party.

In your own theological worldview death is entirely necessary. It could even be described as the goal. Our homes, lives, family, all the things we leave on this earth are ultimately not as rewarding as gaining residence to God's bitching bachelor pad in the sky.

>>9164677
Ok, ok. I dont know shit.

So, these /x/ guys are really into supernatural stuff. Some of them believe in demons, summoning and possession. Do you?
What is your take on angels and demons? They're an important part of Christian metaphysics, no? And if they exist, what are they? Any source is appreciated, Im genuinely curious about this stuff.

>>9164620
>i know about physics on a high school level and this qualifies me to reject metaphysical arguments about love

wow, I really respect your opinion anon

>>9164707

You know, it's funny that you insult my intelligence while making insipid fantasies about love as if "loving" is somehow going to stop a bear from ripping your head off until you're dead.

If my "high school physics" understanding were so simple then you should have reached that point to understand it even before asking dumbass questions like that in OP.

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>>9164716
How old are you? Why is every post by you so astonishingly childish?

>>9164729

>make every post ad hominem attacks
>follow with "why are your opinions so childish lol xd fase"

>>9164732
You are clearly a teenager.
Also I am not whoever you think I am.

>>9164625
Perhaps Death IS Pride-- at least what they have in common is that attempt to gather all unto themselves. That the former never fails makes it the model, or ideal, in the sense THE ideal-- great song, by the way--

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>>9164738

If you were even half as intelligent as you think you are then you wouldn't quantify your arguments with baseless attacks on people's character that reek of projection.

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>>9164756

Charming.

That's exactly the face I imagined you'd make in response.

>I used to be just as ignorant as the person arguing in favor of entropy
>I probably would have taken his side last year
It hurts.

>>9165778
It's so weird because I would have done so last year too. December 2016 I would have agreed with him. It's so terrifying how much can arrogance have an influence on the kind of Philosophy or non-philosophy we build. The other anon thinks that there's nothing and uses science as proof of it in a philosophy thread. Entropy is his religion.

>>9164704
You don't get it. This life is so important that your existence is built on it.
>it's used by the Church to put you in line
So you think that the 10 Commandments are not reasonable morality guidelines? That we should be free to kill, to spread diseases, to rob and to hurt? Death is necessary, yeah, but only as a rite of passage.

>>9164705
By Satan I don't mean that there's a devil on your side at every time. Satan has many tools to tempt us and his power is big, so big he has entranced so many people like you with the promise of becoming almost gods.

>>9165825
Either you believe in demons, or you don't. Have you read my friend Thomas? In his Summa he talks quite a bit about demons. Do you agree? Or are you willing to deny such a crucial part of the metaphysics of your religion?

Also, Satan hasn't tempted anyone. Reason and logic are not temptations. Quite the opposite: the idea of God has tempted you. It is convenient to believe, therefore you do so.
Do you like Kierkegaard?

>>9165852
>either you believe in demons or you don't
I believe in demons but not the general western imagery.

>reason and logic are not temptation
You're decrying 5000 years of monotheistic theology because you assume science is the only answer. This is as absurd as saying that the theory of gravity is not right because you have evolution. You're mixing gymnastics with magnetism.

What happened to this thread? It had such potential! Love, like God, money, and other 'things' that don't quite exist, is always more powerful. Death, in despite of his vaunted 'many forms,' is a wretched pleb.

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Death may strike the Dreamer down,but Love will keep the dream alive.

>>9167408
He found God on his disease, right?

>>9164343
No, but will is.

>>9168622
Interesting. I can even see how it could be argued that it subsumes both love and death (as willful species of 'characerization,' for instance, or rather, 'to begin with') but where go from there? Or, how? Curious..

ITT: Faggots trying to be artistic and profound by claiming love, a mere chemical reaction, is stronger than that which ends everything.

Jesus Christ, I hate you pseuds.

>>9169862
they couldn't bear their pathetic lives without their religous feary tales and overblown sense of self-importance.

>>9169891
The sad thing is that bullshit is welcomed by every millennial hipster out there, so they're the hip kids.

>>9169862
>a chemical reaction
Yes.
>mere
No.

Everything that comes from your brain is, at base, a chemical reaction. By your logic, I can deride every human endeavor by saying it's the result of a "mere" chemical reaction. It's a completely trivial observation (somebody tell the determinists, amirite?)

But I agree with you, generally, the question "Is love stronger than death?" has a flatly obvious answer. That being, no. Mainly because neither love nor death possess "strength."

>>9169891
Protip: if you want to be something else other than an edgy atheist you need to write "fairy" well.

>>9164343
Define either of those words.

>>9168350
Im not the person who posted the Pratchett quote but but not as far as I know and why would you want him to

"Romatic" love? No.

>>9169862
>implying death destroys life

L M A O

>>9169862
Gotta love how /sci/ fucks with a minimal knowledge of Philosophy come here and try to pretend that science is a valid philosophy to answer everything.

Love is the most powerful force in the universe.

>>9170099
Yay!

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There are only three primal forces in the world: Love, Death, and Meat. These form an eternal triangle.

All that is, is Meat. All that is Meat, experiences Love. And all that is Meat must eventually die. Love is stronger than both Meat and Death, but - this much is plainly obvious - Love without Meat is no love at all. For there to be Love, there must also be Meat. But since all Meat must eventually be eaten, Death is also an eternal force of the universe.

Is it not so?

So Meat arises from Love, which emanates from the highest. Sometimes this is called Meat-Love, which today is vulgarized as 'meatloaf.' But this is only because the times are fallen and the people have lost the way of these things.

>>9170165
This is a good post

>>9170165
This is a curious shitpost. It had potential, but the ending was disappointing.

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>>9170738
I am but a humble messenger of The Truth.

>>9170804
Only because you require further guidance in the Mysteries. The sum of all things is meatloaf, but this is but a reflection of the divine tripartite unity of Love, Death, and Meat.

You have but to prepare a loaf, and the One will come to eat it. To gather Meat and to assemble Meat is to know the Way. Prepare the Meat with Love, and serve. Before long you will begin to feel sleepy, which is alike to Death. And so all things are resolved in this way.

Is it not so?

Meditate on this.

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>>9170912
B-but the trinity denies meatloaf..

>>9170165
The god, the ghost, and the incarnation.

The iron triangle

>>9170165
Your mythos of the is is so deeply christ-ian

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>>9170933
Open your eyes, my friend, my companion, my brother. And behold! A triune meatloaf.

http://theliveinkitchen.com/2012/01/17/trinity-meatloaf/

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>>9170944
One must never allow the touch of cold iron into the Meat before it is served. There is a story told of this, in the Ancient Texts, of a careless Loaf-tender who allowed an S-hook to fall from the overhead racks into the mixture. And lo, when the One came and the Loaf was served, there was an unpleasant and embarrassing discovery. It is said that the acolyte was made to perform the shameful Dance of Embarrassment by the elders.

And so it is said, that carelessness in Meat-tending is not a part of Love.

>>9170951
This is because all things are emanations of the One. To know the ways and origins of this is beyond human comprehension. Even seekers of the the way of Love, Death, and Meat, such as myself, can only glimpse at its mysteries.

>>9164343
It can be but only for the living

>>9170976
only through gnosis might one approach the essential reality of loafed meat

being made of what we are compelled to consume speaks to our hunger for eternal return to the loafed up godhead from which we've long since shattered--yet at once our terror at the prospect of our own consumption into it

>>9171026
>Loaf-tender

heh

I'm forever jabbing the therm-o-meter into my loafs, in mixing the metal in reckless glee. I live only for the iconoclasm of the act; I usually toss the loaves out without even eating them.

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>>9171054
You have been blessed with a keen and insightful mind, my friend, and have peered deeply into The Truth. Wise are your words.

All that is, as you have said, is Meat. It is Love which unites, and Death which consumes. But horror of horrors, to think that we are only in a process of devouring ourselves!

But the way of things is greater than this. This is why the loaf is prepared for the One. To devour a meatloaf, purely by ourselves, in an endarkened room, with an endarkening mind, is to be a Total Asshole. Selfishness is not near to Love. Just as Meat is accompanied by mashed potatoes, so too should dinner be enjoyed with the company of another.

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>>9171076
Wonder of wonders. When I came to the Meat Ranch and joined the Order, I myself was known to the elders as Reckless Glee. I had come, seeking respite from my own artistic impulses, which were never satisfied. In my careless abandon and un-vigilant watch, many a loaf was destroyed.

At that time I had not learned The Truth. My mind was like an empty pot. I was full of fear of Death, and crazed with Love - amorous, as all Meat is. But these parts were disparate and not reconciled. Many an unsatisfying loaf did I make. Many were the performances of the Dance of Embarrassment.

>>9164634
Satan temps humanity's ego with biology. Every step ahead in the discover of life and it's utter function is just another stratagem to corrupt men from the Lord's path. Unbelieving the God's creation by thinking they can understand the holy miracle of life. Biologists, those heirs and servants of depravity, are nothing but satanic tools, building the Contemporary and Ultimate Babel, narcissism's final trick, the extermination of the left bastions of Faith. But, brother of Faith, don't let this false prophets guide you in unholyness. You are in time of rectify yourself. God, in it's infinite misericordia, forgives us if whe are honest and able to change for good.
Although, words are trickery, they are a step to become Satan's new combat elephant. Be careful, despite language. Not because i doubt your reply is coherent (i know it very is, evidently) but i have the must to warn all save able souls. God bless you, Amen.

>>9164505
Holy...I want more...

>>9171802
I don't really think we will be able to understand the miracle of life and if it came to it, I would entirely oppose any endeavor to "create" life (as it's a direct perversion of God and His Creation). That was something I had trouble with even in my agnostic phase. That some people think of themselves as gods. I know that there are some traps laid there. Dawkins is a "fellow" biologist, as much as I dislike it currently.

Maybe I should direct my efforts towards Biology's efforts with a Christian ethic. The work in that field is extremely poor.

>>9164343
Yes, but ironically only to the living

when someone you love dies, it frees your anxiety over death... sure, it's claimed the one you love, but you're no longer afraid to die, because there exists that one hope that you'll meet your love again.

they conquer each other.

>>9171203
ha, you are a really funny guy, you know that

>>9164343
Death overrules all

>>9171802
So, any idea that contradicts your view of Christianity is a temptation by Satan.
Good way to trap your mind on a cage. Not knowledge, but """wisdom""".
You're high on Christianity. Sober up and start reading counter-arguments if you have the balls for it (Nietzsche is one of the stronger if not the strongest critic of Christianity there is). Fly beyond your faith. Open your eyes, brother.

>>9164458
Woah, cool down, you bucktooth'd po-mo wonderboy

>>9172853
Personally I don't believe its possible to "create" life in any way that is outside of God's ethics. Using science to "create" life isn't heretical in my view. Cloning, for example, goes through more or less the same biological process to create life, there's just not a dick going into a vagina. Is that really God's big rule for valid life? A dick MUST go into a vagina? No biologist is really creating life, if they believe they are they're just being egotistical. They are just working within the framework God laid out. AI is a little different, not sure how I feel about that desu.

I don't understand this Christian opposition to science. They are completely compatible in my view. Biology and science isn't temptation by Satan...nothing about science really contradicts religion.

>>9164343
The real question is if love is stronger then hate.

>>9174837
"You can't hate something you don't love"

Is this true or just a meme?

>>9174858
>You can't hate something that you don't care about
Or
>Love and hate imply that the thing hated or loved is important
Fixed for you. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
Is a thing its opposite? No. But theyre defined by each other. Ultimately, yin and yang is what we're talking about, friend.

>>9164343
Rare photo of Han Solo after episode 7